question. >> on the grounds that it may be true? >> it may be true. >> none of it should be much of a surprise given their shared attitude towards women. >> i'm so controversial i love beautiful women, i love going out with beautiful women and i love women in general. people would say oh, that's a horrible thing. >> let's just say he didn't read it for articles. >> thanks for spending your sunday morning with us. "fareed zakaria: gps" starts right now. this is "gps," the global public square. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria. we begin today's show with dangers of war and instability. north korea's nuclear tests and washington's bellicose response. >> it will be devastating, i can tell you that. >> also germany's resurgent right wing. what will it mean? plus, iraqi kurdistan's dream of independence. could it become a nightmare? all that with a terrific panel. then, microsoft seemed to have been left behind by the new titans of tech -- google, apple, facebook and amazon.

but this man has made the company great again. satya nadella is microsoft's third ceo. how do you change a massive $500 billion deeply engrained company? and what did it have to do with his mother? >> her influence has been tremendous. >> we'll tell you. and president trump apparently isn't the only world leader who enjoys being on a tv show. you will be surprised to watch a new presidential star of reality television. but first here's "my take." the confrontation between the united states and north korea is in a more dangerous zone than at any point in decades. each side has announced tough position, issued threats, underscored that its positions are nonnegotiable. each side is now boxed in with little room to maneuver. how to get off this perilous path? donald trump likes to be tough

guy. previous presidents reacted with sobriety to the bellicose statements of leaders like nikita kruschev and mao zedong. the united states was always disciplined, cautious. it was the other guys who did the crazy talk. but trump seems determined to have the last insult. we need to tone down the rhetoric and actually adopt a strategy. north korea has one. indeed, it's had one for decades. it is determined that, given how isolated and threatened it is, it needs a nuclear deterrent. and pyongyang has made astonishing strides in getting there. nuclear weapons are all that is keeping kim jong-un from suffering the fate of saddam hussein or moammar gadhafi. the regime will not give up this insurance policy. the you were in kim's position, would you? the denuclearization of north korea right now is a fantasy. it will not happen unless the united states is willing to wage a war on the korean peninsula. everyone knows this, but no official in washington is

willing to publicly admit it. so the u.s. has now adopted a zombie policy, one that has no chance of success but staggers along nonetheless. it means that we cannot make any progress on what is, in fact, an achievable and desirable goal, to freeze the north korean arsenal, end further tests, and place the weapons under inspection. one way out of this paralysis would be to reframe the issue and broaden its scope. joshua cooper ramo, co-ceo of henry kissinger's consulting firm, has devised a plan circulating among officials in washington to convene an international conference on nuclear proliferation. all existing nuclear weapons states would agree not to test or expand their arsenals for some period of time, say 36 months. inspectors would verify the limits are adhered to. other nations would affirm they do not intend to acquire nuclear weapons. crucially, north korea would be invited to sign onto this

agreement as a nuclear weapon state with the idea of freezing its progress for now and aiming to later denuclearize the country. he says the advantages of this approach are that it launches the north korean problem in a global context, giving everyone an exit ramp so that previous nonnegotiable statements don't apply. it creates a global coalition that could be marshaled to sanction north korea if it were to renege or cheat on its commitments and gives cover to china to truly clamp down on its ally. it also deals with beijing's core security concerns, preventing the collapse of north korea, and keeping south korea and japan from acquiring nuclear weapons. there is no good, let alone perfect, policy for the north korean problem. but the trump administration does need to stop the insults, to get serious, and try to find

some way to stabilize the situation. otherwise we're on a road that will force washington either to go to war or tacitly admit defeat to that little rocket man. for more, go to cnn.com/fareed and read my "washington post" column this week. and let's get started. i want to bring in today's panel to dig in deeper on north korea. there are of course many other things to talk about from the rise of the new right in germany to iraq's kurds and their controversial quest for independence. joining me, a former official with the cia and national security council, now a managing director for the bio group. b bernard lavie is a french writer

and philosopher. and gideon rose is the editor of foreign affairs. turn cia's lead analyst on korea. you told me you thought the threat in the short term is not great from north korea but there is a longer-term danger. what is it? >> the longer-term danger is once north korea goes nuclear and has the ability to attack anywhere in the united states with a nuclear-tipped-intercontinental ballistic missile and we have to live with a nuclear north korea, we're looking at a host of problems, nuclear proliferation. we know north korea is a serial proliferator, proliferates everything for money. it has not yet proliferated nuclear technology or fissile material but they could if we continue with sanctions. there is also concern that north korea the not worried about reaching survival, but after they have this power or capability to attack was a nuclear weapon their eventual goal is to push out all the u.s. forces out of the korean

peninsula and unify on its own terms because they're banking on united states not coming into aid of south korea because we don't want to risk san francisco for seoul. >> so a kind of nuclear blackmail that eventually unifies the koreas under north korean terms. >> right. >> something totally different from what we always thought, it's been the other way around. >> right, because north korea thinks under sort of america first policy or even just -- maybe not today but once they have this capability, will americans get back in there to save south korea in coming to an aid of an ally. that's what they're banking on eventually. >> why is the administration seemed to have sort of -- want to go beyond diplomacy? they seem frustrated by diplomacy. they're sort of trying everything other than some kind of diplomatic path. >> well, what they're not doing diplomatic path right now

because they have tried for over two decades. it's not true we have not pursued diplomacy. we have an agreed framework six-party talks. we have had many agreements with north korea. it's not about getting to agreement, because we have agreements. but every single agreement has failed because of over-verification, because north -- and today honestly i think we're at different stage. north korea is not going to give up nuclear weapons. they're so close to completing and perfecting their nuclear arsenal, having this capability to attack mainland united states with a nuclear weapon, why would they give this up now? they said over and over look what happened to gadhafi. he gave up nuclear weapons and he's dead. this is the only way for the region to survive. >> what does the united states do in this circumstance? >> you know, in the movies you used to have what's called a mexican standoff, everybody pointing guns at each other and nobody knew what to do. for 60 years we've been in the same situation on korea. the north has its gun at the head of the south. and always has.

now it's with nukes and with artillery. we have our guns pointed at the north and the chinese have the guns pointed at nobody but know it's there, the japanese don't have guns but are watching, they have a gun shop in the basement, can make guns in a second. everybody is watching everybody else with their guns trained. in the movies that ends in two ways, either everybody calms down and agrees to walk away and kick the can down the road. or there's a big shootout and everybody dies. the thing that is puzzling most national security analysts is why in god's name the administration can't recognize what everybody else does, which is those are the only two options. so some kind of climb-down from the crazy rhetoric, we used to have one reckless dilettante making crazy comments on north korea with his finger on the nuclear button. now we have two of them. the challenge now is to get back to discussions to deal with the real problems that sue was talking about, which are not good, not easy, and not easily fixable but better than anything resembling an actual korean war, which we have to put out of the picture and move on.

>> we need something like what kennedy did with kruschev and the cuban missile crisis, sort of find some way to get to yes. >> exactly, to muddle through, create some kind of deal that freezes things where they are in return for not going further and us not attacking them. you want to stabilize deterrence. deterrence has worked on the korean peninsula for six decades. it sounds bad and everyone doesn't like this, but the fact is north korea has been north korea, it's going to be north korea. south korea is different, has been south korea, it's held for six decades. it continue going if we keep deterrence working, but that's a difficult thorny problem that professionals like sue really know how to deal with, not what the administration is doing. >> does this worry you, watching from europe? when the cuban missile crisis, that standoff happened, the whole world was scared. this is a much smaller country, north korea, but does it worry you to watch these trading of insults?

>> it's decayed since we did not take seriously enough the threat of north korea. so now we wake up because we are at the edge, at the verge of the abyss. it's a little late. my feeling, i'm not a specialist as you are, but the one who has the key of this situation is china. china is aiming to have a real world influence. they are probably ready if there was a real agreement with america to fulfill the standards which are required in order to be a real superpower. they cannot afford to have such a nuts ally as kim jong-un. they have the key. obviously, donald trump does not have the key. he doesn't have the slightest idea of what the diplomacy is. you cannot make diplomacy by saying i'm going to destroy the whole north korea, tyrants and slaves, dictators, and people. you cannot say that. china has a more diplomatic tradition.

they could probably deal with that. they have certainly the key. >> gotten to this, the frenchman is hoping for chinese restraint and diplomacy -- >> by all chinese. >> we will be back in a moment. when we come back, last week the kurds in iraq voted for independence in a nonbinding referendum. the world reaction was swift, the move was condemned from almost all corners. but not by bernard henri levy, who will explain when we come back. if you miss a show, go to cnn.com/fareed for a link to my itunes podcast.

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and we are back with our panel. so, bernard, this is something that everybody disliked. but the kurds decided that they were going to have a vote to become independent, huge majority was in favor, everybody has condemned it, including the united states, which has been the staunchest ally of the kurds. why is it a good idea? >> it's such a miscalculation, america and france. we have people there who is our natural ally, who proposes to build a true democracy. it would be or it will be the democracy in the area, and we are shy and we say don't, and we support this failed state, this no state, which is iraq, and we

embolden turkey, iran, and iraq to take strong steps against this little kurdistan. it is, frankly, a shame. and for west, it is a huge mistake. and i was in irbil day before yesterday. i was there. i was one of the international observers for this referendum, which by the way was a good referendum. according to international standards, it was a fair vote. and from inside, it is so impossible to explain. the situation of the kurds today somehow reminds me of israel in 1948. 7 million people besieged by 160 millions of enemy, of big empires, of rogue states. iran, as far as i know, is still not a democracy. turkey is less and less a democracy. the turkey of erdogan.

and no one supports them. this loneliness of the kurds is frankly, for me and for any democrats who listen to us, should be heartbreaking. >> and you have a great film about the peshmerga, the fighters who have fought against isis with the united states. >> they fought for us. the peshmerga, they wear the shield, they wear the sword, they wear the rampart of the west, and instead of rewarding them for their sacrifice, we close the door to them when they want to come in the club of the democracies. >> anything that erdogan, the mullahs and the iraqi shia hate, there must be something good about this. >> i think bernard is correct about the tragic history of the kurds and the bad treatment they have gotten in the past. and in a just world, they would deserve a better life, a unify ed community and a better state. but the fact is that the world

doesn't necessarily run according to ideals and the fact is they're scattered among several different countries which -- >> no. the iraqi kurds -- >> iraqi kurdish independence creates a potential problem for all the other countries that -- >> why? why? >> because they feel their kurds will either want to secede and join the new kurdish state or get more powers and go inside. you've been in the national security council. this is a debate where the realists will say you piss off these countries around. the idealists say give them a chance. who's going to win? >> i say realists, unfortunately. with this administration, it has to be realists winning over idealists. >> the realists will win because realism is a sign of the times. >> another question for you. what does it mean that the alternative for deutschland, germany's far-right party, that openly praises some elements of germany's world war ii past, has gotten this very large

percentage, the third largest party in the parliament now? >> germany, alas, is joining the club of the european countries with a populist right. germany was a little back because of the past, because of dirtiness. because of the superego, which was under head of the german people. today, probably with the refugee crisis, which was so well led by mrs. merkel, she saved the honor of germany and of europe, but there is a backlash, and there is this reaction. so germany is aligning with france, with poland, with hungary, with england, with uk, who have these sort of powerful extreme right. and this is rather concerning and sad for us. >> what does it mean for europe? >> macron was in america last week and he was talking about the problems not just of france

and of europe but about the west in general, and he made this point that until we have policies that give the broad middle classes in the advanced industrial countries a sense that they profit from and benefit from the globalization era, we're going to have deep political problems. and so right now we have a system in which because of refugees, because of economic stagnation, rising inequality and a variety of other things, we have a sense in a lot of countries that this system isn't working well and the mainstream parties who have backed the system are losing ground, in england, in europe, happening in germany, too. merkel held on, but the country is in a little more trouble. >> and you see that in the united states as well where congressional republicans have now a 15% approval rating. we have to close it on that. this is a fascinating conversation. thank you all very much. when we come back, sanctions. they brought iran to the table for nuclear negotiations, but could sanctions work against one of the most heinous crimes out

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microsoft made bill gates the world's richest man by putting its operating system in every personal computer and then by trying to ensure there was a pc in just about every home certainly in the developed world. then came the internet, smartphones, the world of apps and microsoft seemed to many lost. hat to do with a massive company that needed a new direction? that was the challenge before satya nadella when he took over the company in february of 2014. i'd say he's done pretty well. the stock hit its highest ever price just last month, nearly doubling the company's worth to

over $500 billion. nadella, a soft-spoken engineer and an indian immigrant, faced the uphill battle of changing a company that was still under bill gates' enormous shadow. so what did he do? he hit refresh. that is also the name of his terrific new book. satya nadella, pleasure to have you on monopoly. >> thank you so much for having me, fareed. >> you say that qualities like empathy, concern, mindfulness are going to be at the heart of microsoft winning the next wave of technology battles and, you know, kind of becoming or maintaining its role as a technology giant. it's a strange thing for the ceo

of a technology company to do. so i want to start by having you personally how you got to this point of understanding it, and tell me about your mother, who was not a technology person, not an engineer, not even an economist like your dad was, but she was a scholar of sanskrit and had a very different outlook on life than one thinks of when one thinks of the indian driving achievement-oriented parent. >> i have learned the power of empathy. it is not some innate capability that i had, but it is life's experiences, whether it was my mother, quite frankly, now i see it more clearly her influence, or the birth of my son. in the case of my mother, you know, my dad was, as you said, an economist who was in love with ideas. >> marxist economist. >> a marxist economist and always in love with ideas, he had intellectual curiosity and ambition. my mom, who herself was an academic, was more about stay

calm, absorb what is happening, be mindful. in fact, she would always ask me, are you happy? not a banal question. it was like, are you truly able to take it all in? and growing up sometimes i would get irritated, and only now i realize as i grow each year that the lessons she tried to teach me throughout are the more enduring ones. so her influence has been tremendous. >> it's an important point, again, from an immigrant background, because i think of my father, who was a very driven, self-made man. i think if you asked him are you happy, he wouldn't have understood the question. >> right. >> the point of life was not personal happiness. the point was achievement, success, right? >> that's sometimes how i interpreted it. i have to be impatient and go on to the next thing. the thing was to remind me you don't do your best work if you're waiting for your next thing. you've got to do your work today and enjoy it, and if you don't enjoy it or have meaning, which came much later in fact from

another very interesting source, doug bergom, the governor of north dakota now, looked at me at work and said you spend more time with microsoft than with your children, so you better figure out a way for this work to have more meaning. that was another one of those moments perhaps in my mid-30s, and i thought what is he saying? but it struck me as the best advice i got. >> you had another occasion to be shocked into finding empathy with the birth of your son. explain what happened. >> you know, i was 29 years old. we were the only children of our parents so this is our first son and we were all really excited, the entire family was, and even an few hours before the birth, we were mostly concerned about is the nursery going to be ready or is she going go back to her job as an architect. those were our concerns, and then of course life changed that night. and the first --

>> he's born. explain what happened. >> there was in utero asphyxiation and he's a quadriplegic and he's 21 years old today and paralyzed. there was a lot of questioning my plan, why us, and that right off the bat was all about driving zain from therapy to therapy and making sure he got the best shot, the best chance, and without schooling me in particular i got schooled because i saw her and her approach and then i realized that nothing happened to me. zain was the one suffering. it was my responsibility as a father to see that through his eyes and do the best i can. and that i think, when i look back, was probably one of those moments of hit refresh that really helped shape who i am. and it's not that, you know, that was the only incident, but now i'm a firm believer that

your life's experience is what's going to help you develop increasing levels of empathy for more people, and that's what's going to make you a good leader axe good colleague, and a good innovator. >> i'll be back in just a moment with much more of my interview with satya nadella. he's bullish on artificial intelligence and the like, but i asked him what he would say to the millions of people around the world who worry that machines will soon put them all out of work. if you miss a show, go to cnn.com/fareed for links to my podcast.

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microsoft and the conventional wisdom would be you took a company, extraordinary technology giant, but that was floundering, had lost its way, had missed the web, had missed a lot of the, you know, things like that. did you have to incentivize compensation? did you have to give a lot of speeches? how did you make -- how do you turn a ship around? >> i think it's, you know, all the levers, right? leadership is one of those thing where is there's multiple things that you've got to do and get them right and continuously cultivate. one of the first things i worked very hard on is when i joined the company in 1992 we used to talk about our mission as to put a pc in every home on every desk. it was clear. it was so tangible. and by even the end of that

decade, at least in the developed world, we more or less achieved that objective. and then, you know, we said, oh, what next? so that's when i said, okay, we of got to go back and have a sense of purpose and mission as a company, because in order for us -- we can't be looking with envy to what the competitor is doing for inspiration. we have to truly say what is it that microsoft can uniquely contribute in a competitive marketplace? and so i went all the way back to the first product of the company, which was paul and bill creating the basic printer for the altier. and right there is who we are in our core -- we create technology so others can create more technology. we are a toolmaker, a platform provider. that's who microsoft is. we're a platform company and a tool maker. so i said, okay, let's now capture that in words, you know, which is we talk about our mission, empowering people in organizations all over the plan tote achieve more, and each one of those words is key to us. >> if there's so much data out there and so much computing power that can analyze it, there are some dangers, right? we of soon it in the last

-- we have seen it in the last election. the ability to collect data which tells you how people are leaning in terms of their votes, what they might be influenced by, how you could suppress their vote, how you could encourage their vote. obviously this is done with retail customers all the time in terms of what choices are provided to them in terms of what they buy and sell. i could think of ways you could manipulate the stock market by putting fake news in front of people that causes a stock to move down and then somebody's profiting it off that. this seems to me a brave new world. >> it is a brave new world. as i have always thought about this, the key for us is let us -- like with any new technology, the telegraph came wire fraud and we had to deal with it. so the question is how do we take the good -- to give you an example, a.i. is one of the big benefits one gets if you have data. your ability to reason over data gives you artificial

intelligence. to put it in tangible terms, in fact, one of the colleagues of mine whom i worked with when i first joined the company was still there, angela mills, was recounting this story. we launched a new app called for the first time, she was telling me she can go into the cafeteria and read the menu and order the rights and walk into the conference room knowing it's where her meeting is. because of ai. the same thing happened when we put learning tools in. people with dyslexia can start to improve their reading because of the assistance of ai. i believe we should first grab on to all of these opportunities to enhance the human experience

with ai. while being very clear eyed about all the applications and whether it's automation that leads to job displacement and cyber threats. these are all going to require not only companies like ours doing their best work and taking a principal stance in terms of how we design things and ultimately even governments and the legislative process looking at how do we make sure that with the unintended consequences of connectioninolo technology. >> with the super computing, all of these extraordinary technologies, i think now people in the back of their minds think this sounds great, but what will i do? and you look at ai a& drove fora

living and this wonderful technology might be great are if the economy and will put three million people out of work. >> it's a real issue. here's multiple things. on the practical side, let's say let's not fall complete victim to the lump of labor fallacy. >> being lots of new work and new jobs and new industries in the spring. >> that's one. having said it abstractly, let's go to work on this disproving the labor fallacy and said heem had people jobs and can we have an economy where there is a lot of surplus being created and create great support for people on people jobs. in fact one of the things -- >> give me an example. >> elder care. in my case you are looking at what are all the services that could be available for some

children with disabilities that not just someone like me can afford, but broughtly can be afforded. i think there is a role in a world where there is a lot of artificial intelligence. human intelligence or the innate qualities we have and how we create markets would be one more more interesting challenges. >> the challenge is the means to figure out how to be more human. >> that's correct. >> pleasure to have you on. >> thanks. >> the president of the united states is apparently not the only world leader who fancies himself a tv star. i will tell you about a new on the small screen for china's president xi. ♪ yes you can ♪ can i kick it? ♪ yes you can ♪ well i'm gone

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in hillary clinton's memoire, she reveals she almost ran on a proposal for basic income. automatic and unconditional money for all citizens. on the blog, former vice president biten caden said we m build a future that puts work first. that brings me to my question, which of the fblg questions already instated a nationwide basic income. norway, rwanda, iran or russia. like many of you i have been watching ken burns's series on the vietnam war. the work is much praised and the praise is much deserved. the series is a masterpiece delving deep into the human

tragedy while presenting history and analysis fairly and int intelligent intelligently. the sheer cinematic artistry is dazzling. now for the last look. it will go down in the annuals of history. >> china's government released english language films titled major country diplomacy. the main message is president xi is responsible for a new successful powerful foreign policy. >> china has the confidence for the responsibility for solving major political problems. >> the filmmakers went out of their way to highlight the positive relationships with many world leaders and the almost five hour long series covers a

mile an hoyriad of conflicts to version of the history of the south china sea. the not so vailed message is that china will lead the world. >> china's diplomacy unveils strength, courage, and a sense of responsibility. >> while the government and filmmakers may have lacked humility throughout the series -- >> as the country's president, they displayed numerous things. >> perhaps you should remember what they are up against. >> people love me and i have been very successful. everybody loves me. >> the correct answer to the question is b, iran. while country like finland and canada experimented with smaller programs, iran launched a cash transfer program in 2010. each family had 29% of the median household income from drawing from the oil revenues.

as the price of oil dipped, so too have the number of subsidy recipients and iran reportedly pays the majority of citizens something. that is all the for the show this week. thank you for joining us. see you next week. hello and thank you for joining us. i'm fredricka whitfield. facing stinging criticism for the response to puerto rico and the trip to the storm battered island two days away, president donald trump today under cutting his secretary of state on whether diplomacy is possible with north korea. i told rex tillerson our wonderful sex tear of state is wasting his time trying to negotiate with rocket man. this on the heels of tillerson's