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for the first time we're seeing the arsenal that he brought into that hotel room on the 32nd floor of the mandalay bay hotel. we will show you pictures throughout the morning. some of the 47 firearms recovered from three different locations. 12 of the guns in that hotel room had an accessory called a bump stock. it's legal to buy. it makes the weapon work like an automatic weapon and the killer wanted this to get as many bullets on to the people as he could. he set up cameras in his room and in the hallway to monitor. and his girlfriend is considered a person of interests. police releasing body camera video and it gives you such a
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sense of first responders were up against. thousands of people running in all different kinds of directions and all different kinds of talk about different shooters and where it was coming from and all along they were having bullets rain down on them by this madman above. president trump is coming here to las vegas. we are going to bring it to you live when he's here as well because the country will be listening to him to try and do something with the pain we are all feeling right now. let's get to jean kau saur yes. >> get out of here! there are gunshots coming from over there. go that way! go that way!
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>> reporter: police releasing body cam video. >> go that way! go way that! >> reporter: these officers desperately attempting to locate the shooter, while taking cover under a hail of bullets. [ rapid gunfire ] >> get back! get back! [ rapid gunfire ] >> reporter: this new video captures the concertgoers running in every direction as they were being fired upon.
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>> i can hear the automatic fire coming from one flora head. >> be advised, it's automatic fire, fully automatic fire. take cover. >> this is a chilling look inside the 32nd floor hotel suite and the arsenal used to carry out the massacre. military style weapons and bullet casings littering the room. 47 firearms have now been recovered from the hotel suite and two homes connected to the killer. officials say 12 of the guns in his hotel room were rigged to fire like automatic weapons. police say the killer took his own life after exchanging gunfire with police. his lifeless body surrounded by some of the weapons he used to shoot out the smashed out window behind the curtain. police say this was a
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meticulously planned attack. he installed several hidden cameras, one in the peephole and two in the hallway to monitor approaching threats. his girlfriend, marilou danley, named a person of interests is back in the u.s. being questioned by the fbi. returning to los angeles from the philippines on tuesday night, police say she has been cooperating with law enforcement. her two sisters speaking exclusively to a network in australia insists she did not know what the killer was planning. >> he send her away so he can plan what he is planning without interruptions. in that sense i thank him for sparing my sister's life, but that one bit to compensate 59 peoples' lives. >> law enforcement is saying the
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crime screen processing of the hotel room will take days more. atf is saying 33 of the guns were purchased in the last year. chris? >> let's break it down with cnn law enforcement analyst james gag leon yo. 33 weapons in the last year. this is an adjustment of our timeframe. we told he amassed his collection over decades. what does that mean, he had gotten a bunch of them in the last year. certainly nothing illegal about that, unless he buys them in one place. the current state of the law, you can amass 33 guns in a year. >> nothing illegal about that. what was most concerning to me is, when you use the modifier he
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purchased, the effective rate of fire for an m-4, or any of the automatic weapons, because they were turned into automatic weapons is 750 to 900 rounds per minute. there's no possible need for a civilian to be able to do that. what that does is allow you to put down suppressive fire, which is a military tool. even police in law enforcement don't use it. for a civilian to be able to do this, and this individual being able to do this from the 32nd floor, aimed at a place where you are not looking at aimed fire, it's area fire, and it's inconceivable to me that we have this loophole. >> we have new photos and we should put them up that show the pump stocks which you can buy, and they are not illegal, and this man knew, this is not a
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mystery, and this is out there and we should know it because it needs to be discussed right now. you see it there highlighted on your screen. he did it to about a dozen, they say. they said earlier in the show he jerry rigged the guns. no, he didn't. the president was speaking about las vegas, and he's coming here now. let's listen to what he said. >> it's a very sad thing. we are going to pay our respect and to see the police who have done a fantastic job in a short time. yeah, they are learning a lot more.
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it's a very, very sad day for me personally. thank you. >> let's bring in chris cillizza right now. we'll get cillizza later. let's talk about what we are doing here. the president has a tall task. the moral agency of the president, it's a big part of his job and we will see what he says when he gets here. he didn't have know-how, you buy this, and it's legal to buy and it's illegal to use. explain that to me. you are the professor. >> it's the old argument in the '80s, remember the fuzz busters, the rage during the '80s.
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it was legal to own them but in many states it was illegal to use them. i have spoke to a number of fbi instructors, and they said these are devices easy to get and install and easy to use and lethal. what is the sense of it? we don't allow silencers? we don't allow folks to shorten shotgun barrels, and we don't allow people to modify a serial number on a weapon, and that all makes sense. what is the purpose for a civilian that will circumvent the law. you can own it but you are not supposed to use it. what is the sense in that? >> the reason you want to draw the distinction, it's my freedom and ability to bear arms, and it
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was givern a lot of weight by scalia, may he rest in peace, and the gunman bought something out there that was allowed. >> second amendment, it's been here since 1791. there's utility in it. we recognize it. i am a former law enforcement officer and gun owner, and most of my colleagues, and military veterans and law enforcement officers we are firm proponents of the second amendment but there has to be sanity brought back to the argument and that has to be something like this that is readily available and easy to install, and you can purchase for less than $100 can cause that kind of carnage. >> what was going on in his head and heart, and it matters. what he was able to do to create so much death, it all matters.
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now we will talk about why. james, i appreciate it. the president is going to have to speak to today what was taken here. everybody feels the loss in the country. we are all interconnected to the 58 lives stolen, 500 plus people were hurt. their loved ones, their friends and their lives changed. we want to talk about the victims. cody robertson and michelle voe met for the first time and became instant friends. they were 20 yards from the stage when the shots rang out. one bullet struck michelle in the chest. when cody finely found her he learned michelle did not make it. cody robertson joins us now along with michelle's sister, kathy. kathy, i am so sorry to have to
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meet you this way. i know this is an impossible pain for you and your family. how are your parents and you holding up? >> we're taking it slowly. we are surrounded by, you know, family and friends. michelle's loved ones. we are just taking it slowly. you know, there's no map for something like this, and we're just so thankful that we have, you know, the love that surrounds us. to help us get through -- to help us get to the healing side of this. >> tell me about your sister, michelle. >> in a few words -- there's so much to say. she was really truly beautiful inside and out. she had this bubbly infectious personality, and it is so
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magnetic, if anybody lucky enough to meet her would know that she made it so easy and fun to be around her, and she had that natural ability to make that -- you just felt like the best thing, you just wanted to spend so much time with her, and just be there. >> let me bring in somebody that knew that firsthand and knew how special your sister was even though they just met. cody, let me bring you in. you met her at the concert. tell me about it. >> we were at the side stage when we met, it was about 7:30 on sunday night. it was for lou combs, he was the performer. two people that i was with from
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my group, we went around the side entrance to -- there was a side entrance by the sidebar and we were standing there and enjoying the show, and i noticed michelle was there by herself and just started a conversation with her. asked her how she was enjoying the concert. found out she was there by herself, and made a couple jokes i had gone to several country concerts by myself, too. we instantly clicked. she does have a magnetic personality. i found that out in the last several days since, you know, the last couple of stories that were published about everything, i have heard at least three or four people that reached out to me over facebook and they said
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they had the same reaction when they met her, an instant connection. obviously she was a great person and all of the people that -- hundreds of her family and friends that reached out to me, you know, in the past couple of days have just reiterated that fact. >> look, it's so hard for the family. one of the things that makes this difficult is you don't want your loved one to have been alone. you were able to tell the family you were there with her until they put her in the ambulance and i am sure that meant a lot to them and you as well. how did you know michelle had gotten hit? how were you able to get to her? >> she had informed me within the first couple of minutes -- i found out she was there by herself, and we made our way to the bigger stage and watched jake owen and then jason aldean.
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there were metal barricades the artists could walk down and share a moment with the fans. while we were there, the first set of shots, it just sounded like fireworks. we both turned and looked to our right and then we just thought it was part of the show. we both said, oh, it must be fireworks from the show. and then the second round of shots came, and she got hit about right here, just the left upper side of her chest and she immediately collapsed. the music stopped and everybody started panicking and that's when i turned to try to cover from the shots, and once the shots had stopped at that point, me and one of the other friends that i had met, one of the
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couples to our left, one of guys, i believe he was a paramedic or some kind of army -- or some kind of military veteran or something like that, we flipped her over, and after that it was survival mode and evacuation, and we got her over the metal barriers, and i handed her off to the other guy on the other side, and then i turned around and started helping people over the metal barrier. shots kept ringing out and people were climbing over and getting stuck, and with my right and left arm i was just pulling people over. shots came again and i ducked and got back up and was trying to make sure everybody was getting over the barrier. >> cody, that was so brave of you and i know in a moment like that you don't know which way it's going to go.
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you stayed and tried to help, and i know it means so much to many, especially to michelle's family. and i don't want to go over all the details here, and they already went through it once. instead of just knowing what we know now, which is how michelle left this place, let's talk about what she did when she was here. what do you want people to know about your sister, what she brought out and others, and what she cared about. >> we are getting all the messages and people are reaching out and giving us memories and how she touched lives, even if it was just for a brief moment. that is just wonderful to hear. she really lived her life to the fullest. she was a big go getter, and she
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was out there trying new things and wanting to meet people and was always down for a new experience. she loved to travel. she traveled as much as she could. whenever she could. just to meet people, you know, and talk to them, and learn about them, and her job, she was amazing at her job. she was a life insurance agent, and talking to the family today and everything, it's so ironic. she wanted to keep people protected and inform them of the future and for them to understand that, because it's not something everybody wants to talk about. she just never had to give a policy, and her first policy she will have to give is probably her -- her own policy.
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but, you know, the family would just like her to be remembered, the way she is. she was an incredible person. she was my younger sister, and there's just so much love for her, and how much she touched everybody's lives. she was kind hearted, very caring and compassionate. she just wanted to do good and share that with everybody, and she did do it. she still is touching peoples' lives now. yeah. >> in the past couple of hours and days, the articles that have been published, several people and friends of hers have reached out to me. i got a message from a girl that said, you know, michelle stood up to a bully of hers in tenth grade, and she never really had a chance to thank her, but that
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was the type of person she was. just multiple coworkers and friends that told me amazing things and great stories about her, you know, just multiple nice things. nobody had a single bad word to say about her, and everybody just said how full of energy, and how independent she was. one person messaged me, and when they found out that she was there by herself, they laughed because that was her. he said, you know, that was her and she would make friends and make new friends and meet new people, and that's just the way she was. >> in these situations, there's so many families out there trying to connect with their loved ones and find out where they are. this is a massive humanity, 500 plus were hurt and thousands were at the concert.
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kody, the reason i pointed that out, you had michelle's phone and you took it upon yourself to call her family. what did you do and why? >> we put her in the back of a white pickup truck. i know i saw a couple stories, but i don't know if it's the marines that took white pickup trucks and delivered people to the hospital, but me and the other person put her in there and we both ran back in. i was able to get her purse, but her phone i couldn't find. we actually exchanged phone numbers about an hour before the incident had happened. so i called the phone just to see maybe somebody had grabbed it, to see, you know, where it was. i think the second time somebody answered, and they had taken -- they said they picked it up while they were evacuating and they were at planet hollywood.
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at that point i started walking towards planet hollywood, and i called the person and exchanged information. they were on lockdown, but i made my way in and got to the restaurant and they handed over the phone, no questions asked. i basically went to the next hotel and went down to try and find a taxi to try and get over to the hospital, and i went to -- asked a couple ditch clerks that were working down there to see what the closest hospital was and i made my way over there. you know, i knew in the chaos of everything with her being there by herself and her not having any information or being id'd in any type of way, i had to find a way to get to her, to find her and let somebody know to be there.
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you know, when i was waiting in the second hospital room, what convinced me to stay, she was yelling and i wanted to know where she was, and -- i just wanted to be there for you and relay any information that i could in this terrible situation, i wanted to help you guys out. every single one of my family members reached out to me right away, and during the incident i had a lot of friends reach out and see what i was doing, and to know the same thing was
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happening with her and they were not getting any responses, and i felt like i needed to help you guys out. just the flood of messages, you know, from friends and family and everything is really -- has almost been overwhelming, but it has made me feel better about the situation that i could help, and i could help you guys through the process and that's why i wanted to meet and, you know, tell you that everything that had happened, and when i informed my family that i was going to stay an extra night, because i pushed my flight back to tuesday morning, you know, my brother immediately, he went and bought a flight on southwest and he got there at about 11:30 monday night just to be here, and i told him not to and he
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said i'm coming out there right away. he came out for about ten hours, 10 or 12 hours. >> i mean, for michelle to connect with somebody like you, i am not surprised, to find somebody as kind as you to have done that. this evil tragedy occurred and good people like you actually were trying to focus on that and all the love and everything that is coming out of this, so thank you so much for that. michelle would have wanted us to focus on the good, and everything that is coming out of this tragic event that we lost her in. you know. >> yeah. i'm one of many people -- i'm sure there are hundreds more stories of other people that have done more than me, but i am glad that i helped you guys out.
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>> thank you so much. >> look, to hear you guys talking about this, thank god you were there for her and there was something about michelle that drew you to her and there was a bond. i just wish and i know you all wish deeply that this was never necessary, none of it. it happened and you were there for each other in the circumstances. thank you for what you did. i hope your family is able to heal. thank you for telling us about your sister so that people can know who was lost. let's put her picture up so everybody can take a look at her, somebody who meant so much to so many. this is michelle. we will take a break right now. stay with cnn. hey hun, huh! we gotta go. come on.
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way here to las vegas. he says he will meet with some of the survivors of this massacre and the heroes from this terrible day. the president was in puerto rico yesterday meeting with the survivors of that tragedy, the hurricane. the president says he wants to, quote, wipe out the country's
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70-plus billion debt after complaining about the debt they had might have influenced the ability to deal with the hurricane. here's some of the sound. >> we will have to work something out. they owe a lot of money to your friends on wall street, and we will have to wipe that out. you can say good-bye to that. i don't know if it's goldman sachs, and the debt was massive on the island. >> most of the debt is held by mutual funds and mom and pop investors. let's bring in the white house budget director, mr. mulvaney. he was with the president down there. let's start with puerto rico
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specifically. i want to put up the president's most recent tweet this morning, if we can put it up to get to the substance of it, the president was talking about the recovery efforts and he said there's fake reporting going on, but in general it was good to be there and see what is going on. this matters, mick, because the reason we go down there, and let's read it for people if they are not looking at the screen. wow is how the -- whenever you can get it up there i will read it. the point of the tweet is a great day in puerto rico, while some of the news coverage is fake most showed great warmth and friendship. the reason it matters is we go to the places to show the reality so people can connect to the need and justify the cause for help. you were there and understand the situation. what is fake about our reporting
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about the depth of dispair and the need for relief? >> yeah, the way the news coverage has handled is all you show is the bad stuff. we spent several hours on the island and were briefed on the folks working on the electrical grid and all the work that they are doing, and by the way, some of the efforts down there are absolutely f absolutely fantastic. we met with mayors of large and small towns and there's a lot of good things happening. our frustration as a administration the media wants to only focus on the bad things and not show both sides of the story. that's a fair frustration to have. >> it just sounds so self-serving to me. i was there, as you know. what two sides of the story? it's not in opposition to the people of puerto rico. the need is real and the distress is real.
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we are showing the efforts. because of the rhetoric out of the white house we spent a lot of our time talking to first responders saying why do you say we are not working? why do you say we are not down here to help? nobody has reported that, and it's dangerous to do that. >> no, it's not dangerous. let me answer your question. >> it makes people not believe the need, and the need is real, it's not just the bad stuff it's the reality. >> the island was destroyed by the storm, no question about that. several times over the last couple of days, you have put up a stat that said only 7% of the island has electricity, and that's accurate, but what you don't report is how it's being done, why it's being prioritized. for example, yesterday what we learned from the u.s. army corps of engineers is the focus is getting power to nursing homes,
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hospitals, water infiltration services, and it's not going to private homes, and that doesn't get reported at all. that's the root of the frustration. the need is real. >> but that's not true. it's just not true. it's not about whether you agree with me. what is not true is that we aren't telling people about the prioritization. you are insinuating there's some type of malintent, we are keeping things out of the news so the president doesn't look good. not only is it baseless, but it's an insult. sanjay gupta has been to the hospitals that were put back online as part of the priority, and when there are people coming up to you on the streets begging for streets, and u don't say things are not as bad as you
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think, my friend, could have been katrina. imagine how bad they had it. it's not being done to you or the president to embarrass you, it's to reinforce the need. i have to believe you understand the reality. >> the good news is you are clearly going to do a better job going forward. >> we could not have done a better job. cnn has been down like an army of ants, and so many of our -- nobody went down there to despairage the president. >> i thought we had a productive meeting yesterday with the mayors of the city, small and large, and the folks fixing the electric utilities, and it was a very productive meeting and i am
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happy happy to talk about that you if you would like. >> when you say some of the reporting is fake, it's not you and it's the president, but you will defend it. it's disingenuous, and you say we don't report about the priorities, but we do and it's going slowly, and that's why you have 93% not with power -- >> let's talk about one of the things we learned yesterday about why it's going so slowly. 1.3 million power poles on the island, 1.3 million, you do not do that overnight. the army corps is doing that the way folks do it. they tried to focus on, as i mentioned before, the larger cities first and what is connected with health, and it will be maybe even eight months before the island has
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electricity again because they are doing it in a methodical way, and the only way you can do it when the devastation was as complete as it was. you do not bring electricity back to an island when you are starting from practically nothing. >> nobody suggests otherwise. >> good. >> that's why i am saying, don't call it fake. it's not fake. everybody gets it's going to take time. everybody gets that after a disaster there's always lag and you had infrastructure problems there. and you know what people get that are experts in the fields that are covering down there, you could have had more people there. you could have had a different distribution of assets sooner. the need is great and adjustments need to be made, and the same time the white house was denying that, you were doing that. >> let's talk about that for a second. >> it was the right move -- >> if you want me to talk about
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that i -- >> i am trying to set the context. >> we had a meeting on friday of last week for 2 1/2 hours in the white house, and every principle involved in the process was involved from fema to dhs, and the meeting began and evened with the question, is there anything that we can be doing right now that we are not, and the answer was no. another thing not being reported, we are bringing assets to bear, tools to use in puerto rico that we did not use in florida and texas. the federal government has done things for puerto rico that they did not do for the other two states because the devastation is that severe, because the distance is that far. it is simply harder to do on an island 1,100 miles away than in houston, texas. and people saying we should be doing it faster. we are in the trump administration and we are used to criticism, but when i sit down there with people there
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every single day, and these are folks that know what they are doing, and they are telling me and you they are doing everything they can, and i believe them. you may not, but i do. >> what is that about? i don't believe them. when did i say i don't belief the first responders. >> just prefaced it by saying we were not doing it enough. >> every first responder did not say we are not trying, of course not, they are the best among us. they were saying whether it's about the drivers or about fuel distribution or how they are dealing with local government and the problems with bureaucracy, they were all pointing to things they needed to connect going forward to do it better. that's not fake. that's not saying it's getting done poorly or it's wrong or bad
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or somebody is failing, it's a reflection of the reality. that's our job to report it. the more you talk about the need and you report it accurately, the more it gets addressed. we are seeing that. things are getting better, but was know it still has a long way to go. >> well, i will agree things are getting better on the island and we will agree you still have a long way to go, how about that? >> fine enough. let me ask you about something else. >> sure. >> the president seemed to suggest he is open to wiping out the puerto rican debt. is that to be taken on its face? >> i would not take it word for word. i spoke to him about it on air force one, and what we are focusing on now is the primary focus of the federal effort is to make sure the island is safe and we are rebuilding the isl d island.
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we are going to focus our attention on rebuilding the island and repairing the island and making sure everybody is safe and we get through the difficult times. we are not going to deal with the fundamental difficulties puerto rico had before the storm. a lot of those storms have already been dealt with through previous legislation, so those bonds are being dealt with, and were being dealt with before the storm and will be dealt with after the storm, and our focus will be entirely on rebuilding the island and making sure people are safe and puerto rico can get back on its feet. >> look, the initial pushback was the amount of debt other than their available cash should have nothing to do with the amount of investment in their recovery, but now i still have a question, why did he say it? why did he say we are going to
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get rid of the debt then? >> in order for puerto rico long-term to fix itself it has to deal with that debt situation. i think everybody agrees with that. the territory was poorly run for a long time. right now they are paying the pension payments out of their operating accounts. this was a very badly mismanaged island for a long time, and i don't think i'm making news by saying that. puerto rico will have to figure out a way to solve that problem in order to fix itself going forward. we will help puerto rico rebuild from the storm, and the puerto rico will have to figure out how it has made in the last generation on its own finances. >> appreciate you being with me. i want to make sure we are straight about our intentions on that island and elsewhere. i just want to make sure nobody thinks anything is being
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exaggerated. if anything, you can't exaggerate how great the need is there right now. >> we know you take it seriously, and so do we. thanks very much. obviously so many people today still talking about the why as if we can ever really answer that, but it would help to have some clues as to why a retired accountant would turn into a mass murderer. we have a criminal profiler here next to analyze the confusing characteristics of this killer. banging their head on a low ceiling. drinking spoiled milk. camping in poison ivy. getting a papercut. and having their arm trapped in a vending machine. but for everyone else, there's directv. for #1 rated customer satisfaction over cable switch to directv. call 1-800-directv. feel the power of thenew power...smax. ...to fight back
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we are learning some new details about the arsenal of weapons that the las vegas killer stockpiled before sunday's massacre. the killer's family says they are in shock. joining me is a forensic psychologist. let's talk about what we do know about this shooter. he was older than most mass shooters. he was in his mid-60s. that's older than what we have seen. he was apparently well off. money did not seem to be issue. maybe he was suffering a gambling debt, and we have no evidence of that. he has multiple houses and a long-term girlfriend and bought 33 weapons in the past year. what does all this tell you? >> i think everybody is asking the question why. it's totally natural.
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we want to know why because if we know why we feel like we can have back control and figure how how do we not become victims and how do we prevent others from being victims next time. i think we are rushing it though a bit when we jump to the conclusion that it doesn't look like it was isis and it doesn't look like it was some of the other things that we have seen in the past that he must have just been a psychopath like james holmes in aurora that just did it because he enjoyed inflicting suffering on other people. i think a couple things. it's too early to say that. two, when i look at this i really think there's something at play, a motive and agenda at work other than just sigh cop they. he's a little older guy, as you said. he's not a big social media guy. i wouldn't be surprised if today, tomorrow, the next day,
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in the mail some kind of manifesto doesn't show up to a media outlet or law enforcement agency telling us what it was. i suspect when i look at how meticulous he was about everything else, i have to believe that his choice of event, this country music festival, was not random. he probably chose that particular crowd because he thought people would be in it whom he had particular distain for, like patriotic americans. this guy seems to me to be reminiscent, if you think about who he might be in the past, jamthe man who shot up the republican baseball practice this year. >> hold on to that thought. i want to quickly get to this.
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you used the word psychopath, and there's something fascinating to talk about in his family history. his father was a bank robber. his father, in the 1960s, was on the fbi's top ten most wanted list. his father was arrested in las vegas for that and went to prison. in the arrest record of his father he is described as a psychopath, the father is described as being psychopathic. i am wondering what is psychopathology, and is it genetic? >> this is a great question. sigh cop athey, what we are talking about here, it's psychology's word for evil. it's less than a mental illness diagnose and more of a label for a person that takes pleasure in inflicting pain upon others, it's not a mentally healthy person that acts that way, but
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we have to be clear that there's a difference between clinical insanity and psycho insanity. it does not tend to be something that is very genetically inhair tauable. it's interesting the father was that way. it's also something that tends to show up early in life. usually when we have a 64-year-old psychopath, you can look back and see all kinds of psychopathic behaviors going back to childhood. we don't have that that we know of yet in this guy's case, and it would be unusual for somebody to start being a psychopath at age 64. possible. unlikely. >> fascinating insight there. brian russell, thank you for trying to piece all this together with us. thank you all for joining us. cnn "newsroom" with poppy harlow
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>> fascinating insight there.
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♪ ♪ good morning, everybody. i am john berman. >> i am poppy harlow. if anybody can explain how that 64 can do this, his girlfriend arrived in l.a. danley was the girlfriend of the man that opened fire from the mandalay bay hotel on sunday night killing at least 58 people, wounding more than 500. >> we have new information about the hotel suite that was converted into a sniper's nest and the weans

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