now, and maybe that's true. but let's look at the political reality. aside from the fact that you have, you know, republicans who run the house, republicans who run the senate, you also have six democrats in red states that are up in 2018 who are very strong on the second amendment and aren't -- aren't frankly interested in sponsoring gun legislation or talking about gun control before their election. so it's a very difficult political reality that frankly presidential leadership might help you get through because there are things that could be done especially in light of this attack, this $100 mechanism bump stocks that you can put on guns. carlos carbello is writing legislation to sponsor a bill to make that illegal. a reasonable measure that could be supported by both republicans and democrats. but the time for it is in a few days, don, and that's reasonable.

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president trump, who was here in las vegas today, saying he has total confidence in the secretary of state rex tillerson. that comment after tillerson praised the president's approach

to foreign policy while side-stepping a report that he called the commander in chief something pretty unpresidential. >> can you address the main headline of this story, that you called the president a moron and if not where do you think these reports -- >> i'm not going to deal with petty stuff like that. i mean, this is what i don't understand about washington. again, you know, i'm not from this place, but the places i come from, we don't deal with that kind of petty nonsense. >> back now with bob cusack, margaret hoover. and david swirdlick. >> margaret, your reaction to rex tillerson not denying reports that he called the president a moron during a private meeting. >> it looks -- it's not a good look when your spokesperson comes out and out right denies it but the principal himself doesn't

doesn't deny it. it makes you wonder the speculation is always what if there's tape of it, or e-mail. maybe that's why he didn't want to put it out there. but the more substantive point here is that the secretary of state today scrambled a press conference in order to say that a rumor about how he -- what he said about the president isn't true. what you see is this sort of unraveling, this public unraveling between the president and the secretary of state, an effort by the secretary of state and the state department to mitigate that damage. and we've seen this before in the trump administration with senior officials. we saw it with the first nec director. we've seen it with bannon, reince priebus, the chief of staff. you wonder if tillerson is just a man not long for this world in the trump administration, that is. i don't mean in the larger sense. >> i'm glad you clarified that. >> thank you. >> so republican senator bob corker had more criticism for the trump administration today. watch this. >> secretary tillerson, secretary mattis, and chief of

staff kelly are those people that help separate our country from chaos. i think he's in a very trying situation, trying to solve many of the world's problems a lot of times without the kind of support and help that i'd like to see him have. >> bob, that's pretty harsh indictment, isn't it? >> yeah. that's a direct shot at the president without a doubt. and republicans including john mccain generally like the people that trump has around him, but have been very critical of trump. corker -- trump has taken some shots at corker and corker is not running for re-election. so he's kind of a free agent. the last thing, the state department is just not as strong as it used to be because whatever you think of president trump, he's not diplomatic. he says what's on his mind. diplomats don't do that. so i think the state department overall has not the best morale and partly because they're not as powerful as they used to be. >> david, what do you think he meant by separating our country from chaos? >> well, i mean, there's one theory that, you know, there's

this sort of thin line of folks who are -- you know, the cooler heads prevailing against some of the president's more mercurial instincts. and i do think that now that senator corker has announced that he's not running for re-election, he probably feels freer to say some stuff like that. he made some comments a few weeks ago. but, you know, you have to really read between the lines and figure out what they're saying. i think if anything some of these folks are signaling to other republicans that it's okay to distinguish their position from the president if they feel like they have to do that. >> thank you, panel. i appreciate that. when we come back, new video tonight showing the terrifying scene unfolding as stephen paddock rained fire down on concertgoers in las vegas. my name is jeff sheldon,

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concertgoers in las vegas. this is cnn tonight. i am don lemon. it's just about midnight on the east coast. 9 p.m. here in las vegas, and we have breaking news. stunning new video of the worst mass shooting in modern american history. it shows the moment when it became very apparent to a crowd of concertgoers that they were under attack and officers began urging them to keep moving, to get out of there. and i have to warn you, it is disturbing. >> go on. go on. run. don't walk. >> run. go! everybody go!

go! run. keep your head down. go. keep your head down. go! run! keep your head down. keep your head down. run. go! keep your head down. run. go! come on. keep your head down. come on. run! go! come on. keep your head down. run. go! keep your head down. go. you guys go. go! go! run! run! run! >> let's go. >> get up. run. >> let's go. get up. >> get up on your feet. on your feet. >> let's go. >> thank you.

>> go! run that way. go! go! get up. go! >> wait until the gun fire stops. >> i don't know. >> run that way. go! stay down against the wall. stay down. against the wall. stay down. go that way. against the wall. stay down. against the wall. stay down. run, run, run. go! go!

>> you need to run that way. it will be a lot safer. run that way. go. while they're not shooting. go! come on, you need to go this way. stay down. come on, run. go this way. go that way. stay down. run this way. keep your head down. >> this video is just -- listen to that. just absolutely shocking. i want to bring in now cnn's stephanie elam. the actions of the first responders in that video are really heroic, stephanie, as you listen to that.

>> it's unbelievable when you watch that footage, don, and what strikes me as well is the fact that the first responders knew right away to try to step in and save as many people as they could. but also the people in the crowd who just started to help. think about it. a minute before that they're having a good time listening to one of their favorite artists perform and the next second they had to make that decision to help people out and not know where those gunshots were coming from at the time. there was mass confusion about that and some people thought there might have been two shooters. and now we know that there were two windows that the shooter was using as well. so when you hear that, it is very compelling and it strikes you. you feel it sort of in your chest as you listen to it. it is a little bit jarring to watch, though, for people who haven't seen this. it's worth noting that again. >> yeah. it makes me angry that we give someone who is not in uniform and who doesn't have a badge that much power to take that

many lives in just seconds. you know, it's easy to understand why so many people were injured so badly in this attack, but earlier tonight the las vegas sheriff lowered the number injured and said many people were released. what can you tell us about that? >> right. well, the issue here, don, was the fact that there were some hospitals receiving patients -- because remember, las vegas was still being las vegas. there were still people being hurt and needed to get to the hospitals. so not all the hospitals were shut down for just the trauma of what was coming in here. so there were some people may have been counted twice or as part of the concertgoers. that were not. for some of the area hospitals. so now that puts the number of injured at 489, down from above five hundred that we had heard before. and we know that 317 people have been discharged and sadly still that the number of deaths at 58. still a very high number if you think about all the people that were out there. 22,000. it's just still -- the numbers are staggering.

>> staggering. the president visited university medical center today, and he talked with some of the injured there. what have you learned about that? >> that's right. yeah. from what we understand is that he took his time, him and the first lady, taking their time to visit with about ten of the patients there, sitting bedside, talking with some of the patients that were there. from what i understand the president and first lady staying here in the hospital longer than anticipated to give a couple of hugs, talk to the people who had been wounded and from what we gather very well received here in the hospital here at the university medical center. >> stephanie, what are you hearing about some of these patients, some of the injured? they've got a long road of recovery ahead of them. >> right. we've heard varying things. you know, we do know that at this hospital there have been no amputees. we do know that. we do know that there are a lot

of gun shot wounds, as you would exing pect, but also graze wounds that they have been dealing with. i believe there was one person who was hit by a car. but at the same time you look at quality of life. there were 12 patients in critical condition for several days. we do know today that went down to six in critical condition, but they still have some 60 patients here in the hospital. and as far as quality of life leaving here, that's something that the doctors that i've spoken to have said it's just too early to say whether or not -- or what that will be like for them. they're just trying to make sure that they stay alive, they stay improving, and that's the plan here. >> absolutely. stephanie, thank you for your reporting. i want to bring in now dr. jay coates, a trauma surgeon at the university of medical center of southern nevada. and he has been treating patients injured in the attack. dr. jay, thank you so much for joining us. the victims of this attack were subject to withering gunfire. it makes you realize just how terrible the injuries must be that you're seeing. what can you tell us about the

condition of the injured who are still at umc? >> well, you know, as you were told, we have a few patients who are still in critical condition. we have been actively discharging a lot of patients, though, throughout the last 40 hours, 36 hours. we have a lot of people who are walking wounded who were mildly injured. so, you know, there are definitely some patients here. it's going to take a while. they're going to have a protracted, longer recovery period, but overall everybody is doing very well. >> what is the recovery period look like? >> well, you know, it's going to depend on which patient you're talking about. there are some patients here that it's going to be measured in months, maybe years. and there are some that are going to be days and weeks. you know, the patients that came through that night that we operated on, all the patients we saw, we saw a full spectrum of injuries, like i said, from some

with lethal wounds, some critical wounds and then some walking wounded who were easily treated and discharged later on that day. so, again, it's going to depend on the individual patients. >> yeah. some of them will probably need multiple surgeries with these kinds of wounds. i want to ask you about the family members, though. the families must also be dealing with their own injuries, they're traumatized. are you able to give them counseling, the counseling that they need? >> oh, absolutely. we have teams set up in the hospital for both the victims, the family members and then the hospital employees themselves. as you can imagine, there's a lot of stress, a lot of angst, a lot of things that go along with dealing with an event like this, as catastrophic as it was. and so we have ongoing counseling available to these people 24 hours a day right now. >> you know, a lot of people

have likened what happened there really to a war zone. how is your staff holding up? >> well, you know, the staff is actually doing very well. again, you know, we have counseling available to those who seek and/or would like or need that. there's no question the night of the incident it was -- it was absolutely a war zone. the way we approached surgery, the way we operated on these patients and what we did was very different than a normal night of trauma in this facility. >> yeah. so listen, there was an emergency plan in place, and how were you -- how was that plan put in place where all of these people could go to these hospitals and you be so successful as you were in taking care of them and treating them? >> well, you know -- yeah. i would like to say i'm incredibly proud of my city and my hometown and that everything really seemed to work pretty flawlessly that night. so we do drill several times a

year for mass casualty situations. we recognize that we're a potential target. and so, you know, an incident command is set up pretty quickly at the site. and patients are triaged from there, with the more serious patients going to the level i and level ii trauma centers. other patients going out to other outlying hospitals. the way that night went down, you know, the serious patients came in. we operated from about 11:00 to 4:30 or 5:00 that morning. right as we were really cleaning up that first wave and getting things under control, like clockwork the outlying hospitals started calling us with patients that came that might be a little bit beyond their ability to take care of, and we started transferring those patients in and operating on those patients. so, you know, it was just the fact that we had the plan in place. we had drilled and we were prepared for this. >> dr. jay coates, thank you for your time and for your work. >> thank you. >> when we come back, stories of

survival in the midst of the chaos of the worst mass shooting in modern american history. i'm going to talk to one of the heroes who risked his life to save a stranger. building a website in under an hour is easy with gocentral...

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in the middle of the worst mass shooting in modern american history we are learning the stories of true heroes who put their own lives on the line to help strangers. one of them is dean mccauley. he is a firefighter emt at valley regional fire authority and he joins me now on the phone. dean, we're so glad that you could join us this evening. this new video that we're getting, it gives us a sense of just how chaotic things were in the immediate moments after the shooting. listen to a little bit of it. >> come on. don't stop. run, don't walk. >> run. don't walk. run! go! go! go! everybody go! go! run! keep your head down. go! keep your head down. go! >> so, dean, i have to ask you as a trained emt and first responder, what do you do in this situation? >> well, thanks for having me, first off.

and i appreciate talking about this. you know, you saw it. you're asking what do you do. that's human beings that are at their best right there. they're trying to escape and, you know, you can watch -- i've seen a little bit. it's on the tv right now, for the first time. and you're seeing police officers standing there, parking their cars, being in the midst of this, not running away. you know, running to this stuff and trying to get people out of there. and you see a lot of fear and you see -- and there you see people not even knowing what's going on. the normalcy of just buses and people on the strip having no clue of what's going on. so this is very raw -- >> does this take you back to this? what did you do when this was all going on, because i understand you saved a teenager, a teenage girl?

>> well, okay. yeah. thank you. so i consider -- that footage that you're showing right there, that's the crowd i was in. you said something a little bit earlier where somebody was saying let me out, let me out. hopefully that -- that place is design ed with no way out, people could not get out. there's basically one way out and, you know, it was really like a box. so if you're asking what i did, actually in that footage right there, i was down in that crowd and i huddled. i grabbed my guys and went to the ground and i said stay put. and i had a little bit of education on this. i knew that if i ran with the crowd, we'd be a target.

so we did not run with the target, run with the crowd. we found shelter. i got a very good friend of mine on the phone and he's an fbi trained with u. s. marshals as well. he kept me very calm. we stayed on the ground. next break, which was very obvious to us that he was reloading, we got shelter up by the stage by one of the trucks. i pulled some garbage cans in front of us. we just stayed put. and the hardest part of this was your instinct as a fist responder. you want to run into it, go to it. and believe me, it was hard to hear people cry, scream, ask for medic, ask for help and you couldn't help them until the shooting would stop and then when it finally stopped i think they were saying like nine or ten minutes, the police were saying that there's reactive

shooters, you know, and a lot of us just made the decision that we were -- we had to go to work. and as my friends got out through the fence, i grabbed some gloves and a bunch of our first responders, we just went to work. >> yeah. what kind of injuries -- you say you just went to work. what kind of injuries did you see, dean? we heard people had to run over bodies and there are injuries in this video that you're looking at. what did you see? >> i saw a lot of kids on the ground with cuts to the back, head. it looked like a war zone. a lot of blood. and a lot of panic. a lot of kids falling over each other going up fences. as you're looking at the stage, we ended up on the left side, and they were just trying to climb up those fences and it looked like they were getting picked off by bullets or

ricochets. we were trying to tell them to stay down, stay sheltered, don't move with the crowd. >> dean, can you tell me about the teenage girl you met between bursts of gunfire? >> so when i went to the ems tent, grabbed some gloves, came back out, me and another off duty firefighter went to bodies and we had brought two -- one of them didn't make it. i was at the ems tent, about to go back out -- i went over and grabbed a tourniquet. we started a line in the other arm. then there was a 15-year-old

girl, she ended up -- she was getting tired and she was having a hard time, and things were kind of going in different directions for us and she was incredibly strong. she was incredibly, you know, just an amazing human being. a 16-year-old young lady who could stay calm, stay present. we ended up going out of the tent going to where there were supposed to be ambulances in a parking lot, we were told, and there was no ambulances when we got there. so we huddled up behind a -- there's three cars out in the parking lot. a suburban, a s.w.a.t. vehicle that there was no one in it and then an audi. and we huddled. the shooting had stopped. they were still saying we have multiple shooters.

we had cops coming by us with guns saying stay low. there's multiple shooters on the loose. and we ended up -- i asked a guy -- a saw a guy running out to the audi and i was screaming at him that i needed his car. and this big gentleman who looked like a cowboy out of a movie came up behind me and said do you want me to get that guy's car, and i said, yeah, get that guy's car, and he did. and the guy came over and me and this young lady, her name is natalia, we got in the back of the car. i kept her iv on her and i told the guy i was a professional firefighter. i said i need you to take -- put your hazards on and get in the left lane and he did it. his name was wayne, and he was remarkable with it. he was just a solid dude that was able to follow direction really well. and we ended up getting her to sunrise hospital. when we got to sunrise, i

unloaded her, got her in the trauma room. i knew she had a gunshot to the back with no exit point. i knew she was having a hard time breathing. i knew she had maybe puntured something. and she ended up surviving. i texted when we were in the parking lot trying to figure out a car and huddled, i asked her what she wanted to do and she said she wanted to call her parents. called her parents on my phone and her right arm wasn't working very well, so called her parents and i talked to her dad real briefly and i said i'll text you where we're going. and midway through i texted him. he met her at the hospital. i had no idea how she ended up or what direction. as soon as i got her to the hospital, dropped her off to the trauma doctor, trauma nurse. i went out and started triaging. so i finally got a text when i got home to seattle the next night that she had lived. and i was kind of bewildered by that.

her father had my number from when we called. very emotional. >> talk about when you were with her. what did you say to keep her calm this whole time? >> you know, we talked about jason aldean. we talked about dee jay silver. she's a big fan of both of them. i'm a very big fan of both of them as well. we talked about their music. we talked about -- you know we -- i had pictures on my phone and we started doing -- i pulled pictures on my phone and showed her my wife and my son and really trying to get her mind off of it. you know, we were definitely just enjoying the pictures and kind of going in a different direction and just kind of a distraction. but, you know, she did well. i still am in amazement by this young lady.

>>, you know, the the day before the concert, firefighters on the scene said that they were preparing for an active shooter. how did that conversation come about? >> i go through the training up in washington state and my fire department, we do active shooter training. when i saw that ladder truck come in the day before -- and my -- my friends are not first responders. so they were thinking that the guys were just coming in for a good time and enjoy walking around being firefighters. and it was very clear -- i looked at thomas and i said they're preparing for active shooter. and my other buddy, brad, kind of stopped in his shoes and he said do you think something like that could happen? and i said yeah. they're doing their job. they're preparing for it. and it could happen at any time. and that was really the ironic

part was when we had talked about that on the plane ride home. they both said that. they said you called -- you said that when the firefighters -- and they said from the police officers, firefighters were aware, especially after 9/11, especially after all the violence around the world. we're just always looking at that stuff whether we want to or not. >> dean, thank you so much. we appreciate it. >> thank you. thank you, sir. >> thank you. we're learning much more tonight about some of the 58 people who lost their lives in sunday's massacre. christiania duarte had just started working for the los angeles kings hockey team. she graduated in may from the university of arizona. laura shipp was a single mom and a las vegas native who was at the concert with her son cory.

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one major question for security officials in the afterma aftermath is there a way to protect people at large venues. >> as investigators continue to work on finding a motive for the massacre that took the lives of at least 58, people try to cope with what happened. >> when the bullets started flying, it took a second. >> the initial moments some confusing the sound of gun fire with fireworks. security experts analyzing this

to see if there's a way to stop it. >> chris robyn etis a former army green beret. >> we've heard a lot from the industry and those helping understand more of the risks at large, helping to understand wider pe rimters, everything from parking lots to relationships to mass transportation. >> just last a may an explosion at an ariana grande concert in manchest manchester. >> i have five employees in the dressing room hiding. >> june 12, 2016, a night filled with terror at the pulse nightclub in orlando, florida.

49 killed and dozens injured before police took out the shooter. at the time it was the deadliest shooting in american history. >> november 13, 2015, paris a series of coordinated attacks, terrorists attack, football arena, caves and what do all these events have in common? all occurred at venues call soft targets. places like concerts, clubs or theoret theatres. >> we're not expecting this kind of outcome. >> russ simons works with the

department of homeland security. >> there are procedures under way today that weren't in place five years ago. we are going to move forward and learn not only what's here but around the world and making the changes necessary. >> the question, what can be done in the wake of yet another mass shooting? >> all of us already in the business cannot afford to be complacent, not one minute, not one day. >> done experts we spoke to say they should closely with security forms and work with more security in the future. that could include security to things like parking lot and buildings. and they say the public may have to accept some incon conveniences in the future. >> when we come back, how the concert venue will change. i'm going to talk to a rock n

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the las vegas massacre will have a huge impact on the music industry and the staging of concerts and music festivals. earlier i spoke with eric burdenen, rock and roll hall of famer and singer for the animals. you reached out to me after this happened, because you felt so passionate about it, what did you want to speak about? >> i was wondering if my point of view as a performer and things i see leading up to a performance, and other people in performance, like friends of mine that were at the club in paris and came under heavy assault, and the bass player, guitar player, who was singing lead had no idea that there was

incoming lead coming towards them. i mean, we could almost see it on camera, but he had no idea. and he kept playing for a -- just for a few seconds, but that made me realize that lots of times when they're setting up a stage and they use special effects like smoke and fire crackers or something similar, that there's a lot of confusion. that adds to the confusion. nobody knows what's going on especially at the -- >> do you think that -- i've spoken to a lot of people, eric -- i've spoken to a lot of people that say they won't be deterred from going to events like this, but one has to wonder do you think this will affect the music world, people actually going to concerts? >> well, it's certainly affected

many since my last gig in paris when i was backstage and confronted by a troop of military in flack jackets and machine guns plus 20 police, and then later on after the show i was talking to the promoteer and he said i love you, i love doing this, music is my life. but he said, i can't keep on doing this because i have to pay for this security, and that amount of security doesn't come cheap. so obviously i have to look at that and think, wow. it's just -- it's just going to be the last this happens? no it's not. it's going to happen again. i just thought that if i could bring it -- attention to the fact that we'd be much better

off without the smoke, which would -- which actually could cover an assailant, loud noises which can spook people and make them think they're under attack when they're not, it doesn't make sense. and it doesn't help the music any. >> do you have a concern -- do you have concern about -- >> yeah. >> -- these high powered weapons being available and people having access? is that a concern of yours? >> look, i grew up in a country where the police didn't have guns, and they did their job. now it's spread all over the world where the -- the same police force is the same all over the world, flack jackets, helmets. you know, i mean, and armed with machine guns. we've just become used to it.

we've let -- we've let it become the norm. and it's not the norm. we have to get -- we have to back up and realize that this is not normal. >> eric, music heals. how do we move forward? how can music help with this? >> first of all, open-air concerts, you're asking for trouble. any -- any guy who has ill feelings in his heart towards gatherings of people, the open-air concert is just handing him a shooter's gallery on a platter, and a lot of damage can be done, as we saw happen so tragically in las vegas. and i feel like my hands are tied and i feel tongue tied and

i want to express myself. it's so difficult. i mean, i realize this is a really difficult problem that we face. we can't stop, though. we can't let fear stop music. we need music. people need music. that's why they got out there in the thousands, to get away from the day-to-day problems in their life. we can't stop. >> yeah. >> the big problem, we all know, is firearms in this country. there's too many firearms and too easy to get your hands on them. so the sooner we face up to that, the better. >> eric burrdon thanks for your joining us here on cnn. >> thanks, don. good luck. >> that's it for us tonight. thanks for watching.

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