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but there are worse things than leaving prematurely. at least president trump didn't get locked in. jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> i forgot about that one. thanks so much for joining us. don't forget, you can watch "outfront" on cnn goe. a.c. "360" starts now. by any ordinary standards, tonight might have gone into the books as good one. family released by taliban. president signing order doing what he promised to do. sure there was time limit to puerto rico disaster relief and reaction to his claim that rising stock market lowers national debt which it doesn't, that said, drama-free except for this, john kelly dealing with all the hours, days and weeks leading up to today, far from
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drama-free. headlines punishing. trump unleashes himself from would-be handlers lashing out mornings, nights and weekends. i hate everyone in the white house. trump friends tom barrack's unprecedented cry for help. talking to reporters about deep dysfunction in the west wing and grave shortcomings in the president himself. turned into a tide. chief of staff kelly, described as in a feud with the president, went before the reporters and said they have it all wrong. >> when i read in the morning -- or watch tv in the morning, it's astounding to me how much is misreported. i give you benefit of the doubt you're operating off contacts,
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leaks, whatever you call them. but just offer to you advice i would say -- you know, maybe develop some better sources. some person that works way down inside an office or -- well just develop some better sources. >> cnn's sara murray was there. joins us. do we know why he made this appearance today? >> seemed clear that general wanted to defend the white house, its procedures and his own faith in his own words. tloirch wh listen to what he said about whether he's considering leaving the white house. >> i would just offer, although i read it all the time consistently, i'm not quitting today. i don't believe, i just talked to the president, i don't think i'm being fired today. and i'm not so frustrated in
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this job that i'm thinking of leaving. >> anderson, this was general kelly's open to reporters, one of the first things he said when he walked into the briefing room, took to the podium as chief of staff. wanted to make it very clear he's not planning on going anywhere. >> also clear about what his role is and isn't. >> essentially said stop trying to judge my effectiveness as chief of staff based on the president's twitter habits. he made it abundantly clear he doesn't see it as his job to control the president or say mr. president you should or should not tweet that, rather to make sure the president knows had a decisions need to be made, has the right accurate information at hand and right people briefing him on various options to reach a decision. kelly has gotten flak from chattering heads outside of the white house saying he's not effective because he can't control the twitter tirades.
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pushed back hard against that narrative. >> and spoke about what the president feels are biggest challenges right now. >> among them, we know this and you, listed media. said the media needs better sources, president is frustrated by press coverage he gets, when he reads accounts of conversations he doesn't believe went the way he recals them. but also said up with the press in terms of top frustrations is congress, fact it's slow-moving body. in trump's mind he has the solutions to all these problems, whether obamacare, creating jobs or tax reform and congress is the one dragging feet. and hearing from sources that john kelly says we need to improve on, president is frustrated looking at congress and seeing legislative plans
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stalled. >> more about this. jim, general kelly says everything is fine, stories to contrary are misreported. you're in the white house every day. is that in fact the case? >> i guess being told we need better sources is better than being told we're enemy of the people, how the president described us earlier. general kelly expression same frustration. they feel we're getting story wrong. that's what you always hear from white house when approval rating is mired in the 30s. they can't get out of that territory. just to echo sara, what john kelly said to reporters about what he views his job to be is exactly right. that's what we're hearing from sources as well. one of the frustrations that general kelly has had and what he's tried to clamp down on, information coming into the oval office. before general kelly was on
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board, just about anybody could come to and advise the president. "star wars" bar of advisers. he's clamped down on that and feels good about it. outcome, to this point not resulted in more orderly or synchronized white house in messaging. >> michael, you had new article, said partly remarks were presidential cleanup, also you knew mr. trump would be watching. whole idea of audience of one. >> what struck me was the tone was incredibly untrumplike. he was jovial, didn't attack like sean spicer or like president trump often does at press conferences. bantering. went out of his way to soften the edges and walk back some of the things that president has
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tweeted or said but at the same time there were moments he got in a quip against the press, knowing full well that president trump is watching. part of the way that kelly and others communicate with this president is through the television set. >> kelly did suggest that much of the white house press corp. is relying on bad leaks from low-level sources. >> he did. and that's his job to do that. can't say what other reporters' sources are but reporters you're talking to now have good sources. >> and senator corker was speaking publicly. >> there's that too. idea of this press conference was so fascinating for a lot of reasons. but remember, not that long ago general kelly was in the marines, not politics. first at department of homeland security, i interviewed him and
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brought up a quote he had given when he retired from marines was thing he dread most was being offered a job where he had to drive up beltway every day. today proved not only driving up beltway but he's ring master of it right now. proved he's a political force and being, going out and doing rudimentary political damage control and doing it quite well in the sense that as michael was saying, very self-deprecating, jovial, got the doing and froing of what it takes to work with the press, not just against it. >> according to kelly, only frustration is the media, no frustration about keeping the president on message or away from twitter rants, i guess what's he going to say? but flies if face of lot of
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reporting. >> to what dmana was saying, growing power in the area. kirstjen nielsen, his recommendation is going to be the director of homeland security unless there's a problem on the hill. one of the sources i talked to about twitter habit, during the pain we thought he would stop tweeting around labor day, serious part of the day and in transition, it's serious. once he gets into office stop tweeting because he's president of the united states. moral of the story, he's never going to stop tweeting even though it causes problems in washington. talked to friend of the president who said -- friend of the president -- the tweets should be reviewed. but if you heard general kelly
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earlier, he has no interest in doing that, feels like it can't be controlled. >> can i just say one thing? obviously focusing on twitter because it's unprecedented. it's not just twitter. couple of nights ago, losing track of time in trump time and space continuum. standing with generals last week and said this is the calm before the storm. talk about a chaos-making comment. doesn't need twitter for that. i was told by somebody he talked to not long after that, he went back to the residence and watched cable television that night and laughed because he did that on purpose, wanted to throw that out there in order to stir things up because he enjoys doing that. that is the kind of thing that general kelly, nobody, they're not going to change him because that's who he is. >> also interesting because time and time again people from the white house said there's no chaos or problems here.
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"new york times" early on reporting about president trump's attitudes towards the attorney general, wasn't mad about it. then white house saying nothing to that, then tweeting publicly about the attorney general and making public comments. time and again heard nothing to see here and then there is something to see and somebody is fired. although tom barrack says fired is a strong word. >> i think that you can understand the motive for this white house or any to deny the story in front of everybody's faces. back to the first days of the administration with the travel ban, that chaotic weekend that people were arriving at airports and utter chaos as to who could come into the country and who couldn't, talking about senior administration officials denying there was anything out of the ordinary going on. later, when they looked back on it, if you remind administration
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officials now they privately acknowledge, yeah that didn't go very well. you have initial instinct and chief of staff kelly showed it today, initial instinct to deny, deny, deny. and truth is kind of reporting that dana and jim and my paper have done is beyond denial at some point. nit-pick here or there but end of the day getting the same picture and we're delivering it to the american public and they're seeing it, denials fall flat. >> "vanity fair" report claiming that steve bannon claims that 30% chance of trump serving full term, talking about cabinet removing him from office. are the republicans rooting for president to succeed or his agenda to succeed?
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>> that's a very good way to put it. well-put question. it is telling about what is going on in washington. i think that they're patriots, genuinely. and they want the presidency to succeed. very few republicans on capitol hill who thought a trump presidency from the get-go was a great idea but latched on to it. some say made a faustian bargain to get their agenda passed. that's why looking ahead, tax reform, if that doesn't happen, going to potentially really change that dynamic and the answers to the question you asked. >> and add one quick thing. $64,000 question that nobody knows the answer to, how much of president trump's personal popularity and fate tied to that agenda? it's unclear. oncapitol hill a lot of nervousness, do you back away and if you do, is it too much?
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the establishment. what he was sent there to do. he's a revolutionary and warrior of sorts. he has a brilliant aptitude of being able to take severe positions which then allow him to draw back to a median. >> let me ask you about the reports he's isolated, angry, frustrated even at his own advisers and he seems to be in a different place than say he was six months ago, feeling hemmed in, constrained. do you sense any of that when you talk to him? >> quite honestly, zero, i think it's exactly the opposite. he has a great team. what the president always did was curate points of view. had bannon, reince, jared, a series of people around him with different points of view.
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as time as gone on, they've matriculated into other places -- >> or been fired. >> fired is harsh word. move from campaign to candidate to transition to governing. different tool kits but today you have best adults in sandbox you've ever had in the white house. >> but i don't have to tell you about secretary tillerson calling the president a moron privately and how upset the president was about that and what friction that causes of course in their relationship. am i wrong about that. >> i don't think it causes any friction. >> it doesn't? >> neither of them take too seriously what the reports of those incidents are. secretary tillerson did a great job saying that's irrelevancy to what he's doing. i can tell you president trump is so far above worrying about words. >> but seems to be a disconnect. people at white house saying
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this president is mad, frustrated, isolated, tweeting about senate leaders, getting in fights with leaders of the senate. and you're saying, he's fine. >> absolutely. look, he's not isolated -- >> how do you reconcile it. >> here's how. he's not isolated. it's a president that has managed his whole life, 40 years i've known him, he's been successful at everything but managed by conflict. wrings in different points of view, listens to them all, curated a point of view based on different ideas. nothing has changed. but what's made it better, general kelly is creating a different menu for him to curate. lot of the issues that came impromptu, open door of the oval office have stopped. general kelly organizes an
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agenda. but there's only one president, one person who creates the agenda and makes final decisions. >> there are reports that he chafes as constraints. >> i don't think i chafes. i think he's learning to govern an ungovernable amount of work. now he's governing a different way. even congressional agenda. didn't take on senator corker on his own. corker made a statement and as we've talked about, president is a fighter. rather than diplomatic way out -- >> why wouldn't he? >> because he's a fighter. that's who he is. he looks at his base and says everybody would like to see me not put up with statement like that. i'm not going to put up with it because i don't need it. >> gloria borger and david
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axelrod. what he told you was 180 degrees different from what he told "the washington post" just yesterday that he was shocked and stunned by the president's rhetoric. said best communication in history. tillerson calling him moron because quote the president is so far above worrying about words. are you kidding? >> that struck me too. tom barrack clearly heard fra the white house on this. i don't believe from the president directly but i'm sure he will. and created a problem for him and he felt like the chief of staff did today that he had to get out there and explain himself. as you see, he worked very hard to try to make it clear how much he admires the president and how
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the president cares about words and all the rest of it. >> but the spin on everything, nobody's been fired from the white house, all in his words matriculated. everything is -- everything that the president is successful and anything -- fired is a harsh word. >> it's a little "alice in wonderland" but tom barrack is ultimately loyal to the president and sometimes the president demands that he can see that loyalty. he was particularly upset about the headline in "the washington post" which was he's better than that. and i think that stuck in the craw over at the white house. and we've all covered white houses in which they have to do cleanup. i think this was a day of cleanup. >> david? does seem that the interview is part of larger pattern we've seen today of the white house trying to get arms around the
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stories and control the message. john kelly at podium part of that as well. >> first i'm wondering how reince priebus is sitting out his matriculation right now. yes but i think there is a pattern here where peopletry and send signals to the president as i think tom barrack was trying to send a signal through the interview and sometimes they overshoot the runway, not well received and essentially ordered to clean it up. and they're notified in no uncertain terms to clean it up. it does happen in white houses that people have to clean up things they said. doesn't happen to this degree and very unusual for high members of the administration or friends of the president to use the media to send him messages but that is how he receives messages. sometimes you end up with situations like this. >> and gloria, you got the sense this interview was in direct response to all the attention
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the interview got yesterday. >> sure. yeah. absolutely. i think that barrack felt the need to go on the air and proclaim, you know, fealty in a way. because he is a friend of the president's. and i think he felt badly about what had occurred and he's not going to say gee, i really made a mistake or whatever. but when he heard from the white house, it's clear that they felt this -- i believe that they felt they believed he had made a mistake. this is a white house -- don't forget, all the stories of the last week about isolated angry frustrated president, rex tillerson calling him moron, general kelly thinking perhaps about leaving. it's no coincidence you have kelly joking about the fact he's not leaving and hasn't fired anybody and tom barrack after "washington post" interview trying to be his own shovel
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brigade and make it right as far as the president is concerned. >> one of the ironies about this, anderson, the notion that he is above reacting to these kind of affronts. >> criticisms by others are just water off a duck's back. >> this is a guy who will punch down at anybody who takes a shot at him. there is no doubt he was well aware of the reports about how unhappy kelly was, talking about the president now, well aware of barrack's comments and i have no doubt he made his views known to both of them. work today wasn't something that occurred to both in middle of the night, woke up saying i should dial that back. i think this is at presidential urging. >> thank you both. watch "the ax files," special guest this week is nancy pelosi.
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as the people of puerto rico, american citizens of course, are still struggling to find even water and food after hurricane maria, the president is taking to twitter. this morning he wrote, we cannot teep fema, military and first responders who have been amazing under the most difficult circumstances in puerto rico forever. only three weeks. fema and other first responders often stay in disaster zones for long time and longer than three weeks. at hurricane katrina there's still money in the federal budget for recovery. but after three weeks, 83% of puerto ricans don't have power and won't for months, president seems to be setting a countdown clock to leave. >> reporter: dr. guzman is racing against time.
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driven by urgency to save the lives of puerto ricans sweltering in the aftermath. just hanging on by a string? >> i know so. looking for elderly and frail. >> reporter: city on the southeast corner of puerto rico, eye of hurricane maria bore right through here. dr. guzman and team of volunteer doctors are offering medical care to hardest-hit areas of the island. walked through 32 different towns in last three weeks, checking in on storm victims. >> people living on the edge right now. >> reporter: you get emotional about it. >> they're opening their houses to us. we're able to see conditions they're living in. it's impacting for us. >> reporter: hurricane ripped part of the roof off their home, they've received little if any
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relief and not strong enough to stand in lines for supplies. dr. guzman worries there are hundreds of storm victims not strong enough to survive. do you think the death toll now is accurate? >> i don't think so, we've been through the island. seen the trouble. >> reporter: leads a group called wings of hope and helps with logistics and supplies. dozen of communities haven't been reached by relief workers and 110 people listed as missing, fears death toll will rise. >> every day is survival mode for most people. remote areas, some of these people have nothing. crisis for them. >> reporter: and dr. guzman fears for storm victims cut off from access to medical care. do you worry that people that might die would be preventible deaths? if help would have gotten here
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sooner, would be safe? >> certainly. seen the struggles in the communities and hospitals. in my opinion, death toll reported is really low. >> wondering about the reaction on the ground to the president's tweets. what's it's been? >> reporter: it's fascinating anderson, as you can imagine. disgust at tweets. presidential tweet moves around the world at speed of light but in puerto rico it's snail's pace. lot of times you're telling them about it first time. that's how hampered communications are. but everyone we spoke to, extremely angered and mayor of san juan, had her issues with the president, responded saying it's not that you don't get it, you're incapable of fulfilling the moral imperative to help the people of puerto rico. shame on you. governor responded that u.s. citizens in puerto rico are requesting support that any of
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our fellow citizens would receive across our nation. not just official but everyone on the ground is extremely angered by the tweet. >> thanks ed. up next, american mom, canadian husband and three young children born in captivity now free after five years held by terrorists affiliated with the taliban. so far they're refusing to return home. we'll tell you about it when we continue.
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the president last night promised important news. the ones who total there i disrespected us, his words. now we know. pakistani forces recovering a woman and her husband and children recovered after held for five years. let pakistan know they were being moved. gunfire, captives freed. president today thanked pakistan and claimed victory. questions about the circumstances surrounding this and welcome development but
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complications involving the family's repatriation. what more are you learning? >> reporter: u.s. intelligence had been tracking them, seeing movements in this remote mountainous area, tribal region on the border. they notified the pakistanis, and before the u.s. could launch a plan or rescue operation, three hours later they hear from pakistan it was over and they had the family. plenty of questions, especially at first, around that. how did pakistan manage to end it quickly? no prison exchange and taliban wanted that. and for a long time u.s. has believed that pakistani intelligence has maintained ties with the haqqani network. but turns out to be a dangerous and violent operation and here's what family of the canadian josh
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boyle told them about his last moments after five years in captivity moved with wife and three kids in trunk of a vehicle. >> five of them in back of a car being transfered. and a car being stopped, surrounded by josh described 35 pakistani army officials, a firefight breaking out. that all five captors had been killed by the pakistani army. and all five of our boyles are safe and okay. josh said he was hit with some shrapnel and our governments have confirmed that he was damaged in the leg. that's all with he know right now. about that. >> reporter: pakistani military confirmed many of the details but hearing very little tonight from the u.s. side anderson.
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>> and husband, joshua boyle, canadian, i understand had concerns about traveling with the u.s. military. >> reporter: they wanted once rescued to go to canadian high commission, talked to american and canadian officials. he didn't want to board plane back to the united states. senior official told cnn he was worried about facing law enforcement scrutiny because married for one year to canadian woman who was sister of suspected terrorist who spent ten years at guantanamo bay. family expected of having terror ties. apparently worried about that. tonight the justice department put out statement saying no risk of arrest. now today it's thought would stay in pakistan while a plan is
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sorted out, where they go, canada or united states and when. >> perspective from david rohde, he was held captive by the taliban in afghanistan and pakistan for seven months and ten days before he and another escaped. and author peter bergen. you've been talking to sources as well. what more have you learned? >> u.s. intelligence pakistanis. three hours later launched operation. largely conducted according to pakistani officials by intelligence agents with a perimeter ring of security provided by pakistani military. according to the official i spoke to, not only were some of the hostage takers killed but some arrested. still a developing story. we have the account of the boyles who saw one thing,
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pakistani military official. he was clear that there was no deal with the haqqanis. we know there's no prison exchange, no quid pro quo here. straight rescue operation. by the way, one thing that's important anderson, these rescue operations are often most dangerous things to happen to hostage. even with professional seal teams. fact this went flawlessly, osftn not the case. >> and david, said sending u.s. forces into pakistan was considered at one point. >> it was but concern about blowback. so much anger in pakistan after the unilateral u.s. raid that killed osama bin-laden.
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concerned about that and pakistanis had personnel in the area so decision was tell them to go ahead and carry out the raid. >> is it surprising that u.s. intelligence seemed to be aware of their location and pakistan was so quickly able to mobilize? >> i'm not surprised. i think it was lucky thing intelligence-wise. i think maybe an intercept or human source that told them they were moving the captives. it's very rare. what is very rare is pakistanis acted on the intelligence. you know. it's not clear if this represents a clear in pakistan's decade-long support for the haqqani network and other taliban factions or is this a one-off, got this intelligence, would be embarrassed if didn't act on it but nothing will change with long-term strategy of supporting the haqqanis and taliban. >> one of the things that
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president said about this yesterday, military adviser came in and said this wouldn't have happened years ago. pakistanis wouldn't have done this. does the president get credit for tough rhetoric he's had against pakistan that motivated him? >> possible but these people have been held for five years. hunds hu hundreds of people have been working on it. request idea it all started with donald trump. he has toughened the rhetoric but obama administration was pretty tough. read them the riot act on their support of the haqqanis but president trump has amped up the rhetoric a little bit. was it a response? hard to tell. as david said, this was a lucky
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break in terms of the intelligence and people acting quickly. not things you can just -- can't plan for this. the fact they were moving hostages made it easier to do the operation. imagine if in a house, well defended, harder target. this was window of opportunity that was brief and acted upon successfully. >> also extraordinary. she had three children while in captivity. >> it is amazing. i'm biased from my own, but i blame kidnappers most of all, five years, three children born in captivity is extraordinary. two americans still being held. paul ogilvy is journalist and drk and australian as well. and austin tise is still held with the support of the assad regime in syria, four americans
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it's believed at least in iran and three in north korea. this problem of hostage taking continues but this is wonderful news. couldn't be happier for the family. >> thank you both. breaking news. new deaths confirmed in northern california where wildfires continue to burn out of control. forecasters warning of worse conditions tomorrow. your eyes can lose as you age. nourish your eyes to help keep them healthy. ocuvite. be good to your eyes. except when it comes to retirement. at fidelity, you get a retirement score in just 60 seconds. and we'll help you make decisions for your plan... to keep you on track. it's your retirement. know where you stand.
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the death toll from the wildfires has risen to 29. that gives it the horrible distinction of the time, the deadliest fire in the state. 1933 griffith park fire in los angeles, as for the nearly two dozen fires burning right now. nearly half of the deaths have occurred in sonoma county. more than 8,000 firefighters
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working around the clock, trying to get the upper hand blazes. dan simon joins us from the hard hit town of calistoga. >> it remains to be a precarious situation. we were with a firefighting unit today, they were doing everything they could to save the community. at one point we actually saw the flames jump this natural barrier here, we saw the flames inch their way toward calistoga, and we saw a lot of urgency, and the firefighters race to get those flames mutt out ultimately they did. it's still a fragile situation. off in the distance, you may be able to see a hint of the flame there. there are some firefighters not too concerninged about those flames at the moment. if the winds kick up, it could be a dangerous situation for
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calistoga. by no means are we through with this disaster here in calistoga. >> is therefully idea how many people are still missing? >> it's been a moving target over the last few days. right now it stands at 400, that really is a scary number, it goes up, it goes down. hopefully that number will be paired down as people report that their loved ones have been found safely. but at this point 29 people confirmed dead as you said, that ties for the record. and unfortunately, this fire looks like it's in the history books. >> what's going to happen with the weather, is it expected to cooperate at all? >> right now, the winds actually look pretty good. no wind to speak of, tomorrow night that is when things are expected to kick up again, we could be looking at gusts up to 40, 50 miles per hour, according to the cnn weather center, you better believe it, that firefighters will be here in force. you have 8,000 of them.
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we begin the hour with perhaps the quote of the day, i was not brought in to control him. that's white house chief of staff, john kelly, talking about president trump. the same john kelly it's widely believed, and until now was rarely disputed brought in to control the president of the united states. he gave a rare press conference. most of the stories are from people close to the west wing, paint a picture of deep dysfunction. that is what general kelly is up against. >> my only due frustration, with all due respect to everyone in the room, when i come to work in the morning and read about things i allegedly said, or things that mr. trump allegedly said. or people who were going to be fired or whatever, and it's just not true. that's my frustration. i mean no disrespect to you all. >> he