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five hostages freed from captivity the president signs an order doing what he promised to do about obamacare, no major drama, no new scandals. sure there was a tweet about putting a time limit on puerto rico disaster relief and his claim that the rising stock market lowers the national debt which is doesn't. except for this a rare press appearance by white house chief of staff to deal with all the hours days and weeks leading up to today which as you know have been drama free. i hate everyone in white house, trump sooetd as advisers fierce he's unraveling. corker calls the white house adult day-care center. trump friend tom barrack unprecedented cry for help. they're either coming from close friends and allies speaking out or white house insiders talking
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to reporters painting a picture of deep dysfunction in the west wing and in many cases grave short coming in the president himself. today chief of staff kelly who is described in some of the reporting as feuding with the president or on the verge of departure, voluntary or otherwise went before reporters and basically said they have it all wrong. >> when i read in the morning -- i read the -- i won't tell you what i read, but watch tv in the morning, it is astounding to me how much is miss reported. i will give you the benefit of the doubt that you are operating off of contacts, leaks, whatever you call them, but i would just offer to you the advice. i'd say you're maybe develop some better sources. some person that works way down inside an office or well, just develop some better sources. >> well, cnn was at that briefing. she joins us now. do we know why general kelly decided to make this appearance today? >> well, anderson, it seemed
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pretty clear that the general wanted to defend the white house, its procedures, but also his own fate in his own words. listen to what he said about whether he may be considering leaving the white house. . >> just offer to you that although i read it all the time pretty consistently, i'm not quitting today. i don't believe and i just talked to the police, i don't think i'm being fired today. and i am not so frustrated in this job that i'm thinking of leaving. >> anderson, this was general kelly's open to reporters. this is one of the first things he said when he walked into that briefing room, took to the podium as chief of staff. he wanted to make it very clear that he's not planning on going anywhere. >> he was also very clear about what his role is and what his role isn't. >> that's right. essentially said it stopped trying to judge my effectiveness as chief of staff based on the
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president's twitter habits. he made it abundantly clear that he does not see it as his job to try to control the president. he doesn't see it as his job to say mr. president you should or should not tweet that but rather the decisions that need to be made, that he has the right information, accurate information at hand and that he has the right people briefing him on his various options so he can reach a decision. so kelly obviously has gotten a lot of flak from plenty of chartering heads outside of the white house saying he's not effective because he can't control the twitter tie raids. today he pushed back very hard against that narrative. >> he also spoke about what the president feels are his biggest challenges right now. >> that's right. among the biggest challenges, of course, we know this, anderson, you know this, he listed the media. he said that the media needs better sources. he said the president is from us straltd by the press coverage he gets. he's frustrate when he reads accounts of conversations that he doesn't believe went the way he recalls them. but he also said right up there with the press in terms of his
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top frustrations is congress, the fact that congress moves very slowly. it's a slow moving body. and in trump's mind he has the solutions to all these problems, whether it's obamacare, whether it is creating jobs, whether it is tax reform, and it's congress that's dragging their feet on implementing them. and this is what we have also been hearing from those sources that john kelly we need to improve upon, that the president is very frustrated because he looks at congress and he sees his legislative agenda stalled. >> yeah. appreciate that. more now on general kelly's complaint on the reporting right now. quintet, general kelly says basically everything is fine. stories to the contrary are miss reportedment you're in the white house every day. is that in fact the case? >> well, anderson, i guess being told that we need better sources is better than being told we're the enemy of the people, which is how the president described us earlier is this year. i think general kelly was expressing the same frustration that you hear from the president and other officials here in the
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administration. they feel like we're getting the story wrong, but of course that is always what you hear from a white house when your approval rating is mired in the 30s. they can't get out of that territory. i will say just to echo what sarah was saying, i think what john kelly said earlier today to reporters about what he views his job to be is exactly right. that is what we've been hearing from our sources as well, that one of the frustrations that general kelly has had and one of the things that he's tried to clamp down on is the information coming into the president. the information congress into the oval office. you know, before general kelly was on board, you know, just about anybody could come into the oval office and give counsel to the president. it was sort of a star wars bar of outside advisers. he has clamped down on that and my understanding from talking to sources he feels good about that. the question is what is the outcome of that. at this point is it has not resulted if a more orderly, more, i guess, synchronized white house when it doms to messaging. >> michael, you have a new article for "the new york times." jep kelly's remarks were partly about presidential cleanup.
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it was also perfectly clear that he knew mr. trump would be watching. is that basically an audience of one. >> right. what struck me was the tone was incredibly untrump like, right. kelly came out. he was jovial with the press. he didn't come out and attack like sean spicer used to do or like president trump often does at press conferences. he was sort of bantering. he went out of his way to kind of soften the edges of some of the and kind of walk back some of the things that the president has tweeted or said. but at the same time there were moments that you can tell he got in a quip against the press knowing full well that president trump is watching and part of the way that kelly and others communicate with this president is through the television set. >> kelly did seem to suggest that much of the white house press corps is relying on bad leaks from low level sources. >> he did and that's his job to say that. you know, i'm not sure what
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other reporters sources are. i can say with a lot of certainty that the reporters you're talking to now have good ones, good sources. >> also senator corker came out publicly and made some stunning statements as well. >> well, there's that too. absolutely. look, i think that the idea of this press conference was so fascinating for a lot of reasons, but i think, remember, it was not that long ago that general kelly was in the marines. he was not in politics. and when he was first at the department of homeland security, i interviewed him and brought p a quote that he had given when he retired from the marines saying the thing that he dreaded most was being offered a job where he had to drive up the belt way every day. well, anderson, today proved that not only is he driving up the belt way, he is kind of the ringmaster of the belt way right now. he proved that he is a political force, that he is a political being by going out there and doing very rudimentary political damage control and doing it
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quite well in the sense that, as michael was saying, he was very self-deprecating. he was jovial. he sort of got the toing and froeing of what it takes to work with the press and want just against the press. >> quintet, also the idea that according to kelly his only frustration is the media that he has no frustration about trying to keep the president on message or away from twitter rants. what else is he going to say? but it does seem to fly in the face of a lot of reporting. >> i think that's right. i do think that general kelly's influence is expanding in this town. loo being at the new pick for department of homeland security. she's a deputy of general kelly here at the white house. she is going to be the secretary of homeland security unless there's a major problem up on capitol hill. look, i was talking to a couple of different sources today about the president's twitter habits. one of those sources said, and this was somebody who worked on the campaign, works in the administration, said, listen,
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during the campaign we thought he would stop tweeting. when we got to around labor day because that's a serious part of the campaign. and then once we got into the transition we thought he would stop tweeting. once he gets into office he'll stop tweeting. the moral of the story is he's never going to stop tweeting even though it causes all of these problems here in washington. i will tell you, anderson, i talked to a friend of the president, who he talks to on a regular basis a short while ago. this person said, and this is a friend of the president, the tweets should be reviewed. but if you heard general kelly earlier today, he has no interest inning do that. he feels like that can't be controlled. >> can i -- >> michael -- go ahead. >> can i say one thing? obviously we're focusing on twitter because it is so unprecedented. but it's not just twitter. it was a couple of nights ago now i'm losing track of trump time and space continuum, but he was standing with generals it was last week and he said this is the calm before the storm. i mean, talk about a chaos making comment.
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he doesn't neat twitter for that. and i was told by somebody he talked to not long after that that he went back to the residence and watched cable television at night, that night and laughed, because he did that on purpose. he wanted to throw that out there in order to just stir things up because he enjoys doing that. that is the kind of thing that general kelly, nobody, they're not going to change him because that's who he is. >> mikeel a, it's also interesting because time and time again people from this white house have come forward and said there's no chaos here. i remember "the new york times" reporting early on reporting about president trump's attitudes towards the attorney general that he was mad about the attorney general, and the white house was saying, oh, no, there's nothing to that and lo and behold the president starts tweeting publicly about the attorney general and making public comments. it does seem like time and again we've heard nothing to see here and then all of a sudden there is something to see and somebody gets fired. although tom barrack says fired is a strong word.
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>> look, i think that you can understand the motive for this white house or any white house to try to deny the story that's right in front of everybody's faces. i think back to the first days of the administration with the travel ban where that chaotic weekend that people were arriving at airports and there was utter chaos as to who could come into the country and who couldn't. and i was talk to go senior administration officials who were denying there was anything out of the ordinary going on and of course later when they looked back on it if you remind administration officials now they sort of privately acknowledge that didn't go well. i think what you have is a kind of initial instinct and general kelly, chief of staff kelly showed it today, an initial instinct to try to deny deny deny and the truth is that the kind of reporting that dan that and quintet and my paper have done is really beyond denial at some point, right. you can pick with a fact or a
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little nitpick with a fact here or there but at the end of the day we're all getting the same picture. the denials fall somewhat flat. >> and the "vanity fair" report that's out this week claiming that steve bannon has said there's only a 30% chance of the president serving a full term. that bannon said he should be worried about his cabinet using the 25th amendment removing him from office. are the republicans in washington rooting for the president to succeed or just his agenda to succeed? >> i'm sorry. that's a very good way to put it. it's a well put question because it really is telling about what is going on in washington. look, i think that there are patriots generally and they want the presidency to succeed. there are very far republicans on capitol hill who thought that a trump presidency from the get go was a great idea, but they kind of latched onto it, some say made a barring to get their agenda passed.
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that's why looking ahead, tax reform if this doesn't happen, then it's going to potentially really change the dynamic and change the answer to the questions you just asked. >> and just to add one really quick thing. i think that what -- the $64,000 question that nobody knows the answer to is how much is president trump's personal popularity and his personal fate tied to that agenda, right. it's unclear. and so on capitol hill there's a lot of nervousness about do you back away, and if you back away, is that too much? do you embrace him and then risk -- take all the risks that that entails. the uncertainty is what adds to some of the confusion. >> yeah. thank you all. appreciate it. just ahead, does one of the president's closest friends think that this white house is in crisis. and later the president's tweet on puerto rico seems to treat the american hurricane survivors there differently from the american hurricane survivors in florida, texas and pretty much any place else we can remember. we'll bring you a live report
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at the tep of the program we talked about some of the less than flattering stories john kelly tried to downplay. one friend of the president who spoke with the "washington post" yesterday, the headline trump friend tom bar racks unprecedented cry for help. he's been shocked and stunned by the things the president has said and tweeted and said of his
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old friend he's better than this. he sat down with cnn. the big question would he back down from his criticism or double down on it. >> so when i say that sometimes things have shocked me, it's not unlike all of us, right. the president is disintermediating the establishment, and what's that he was sent there to do. and he's a revolutionary and a warrior of sorts. he has a brilliant apt tud of being able to take severe positions which then allow them to draw back to a median. >> let me ask you about these reports that he is isolated, angry, frustrated, even at his own advisers and that he seems to be in april different place than, say, he was six months ago, feeling hemmed in,
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constrained. do you sense any of that when you talk to him? >> no. quite honestly, zero. i think it's exactly the opposite. and he has a great team. what the president always did is cure ate points of view. he had bannon, reince, jared. he had a whole series of people around him who had different points of view. as time has gone on they've ma trit late to other places. >> or been fired. >> well, fired is a harsh word. you move from campaign to candidate to transition to governing. it's different tool kits. but today you have the best adults in the sand box you've ever had at the white house. >> i don't have to tell you that -- about secretary tillerson calling the president a moron privately and how upset the president was about that and what friction that causes, of course, in their relationship. am i wrong about that? >> look, i don't think it causes any friction.
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>> it doesn't? >> neither one of them really take too seriously what the reports of those kind of ins depts are. i think secretary tillerson did a great job saying that's an irrelevancy to what he's doing. and i can tell you president trump is so far above worrying about words. >> there seems to be a disconnect because on background lots of people at the white house are saying this is a president who is mad, frustrated s isolated, tweeting about senate leaders, getting in fights, you know, getting in fights with the leaders of the senate. and you're saying he's fine. >> absolutely. and look, he's not -- >> how do you reconcile that? >> here is how you reconcile it. first of all, he's not isolated. it's a president who has managed his whole life, for the 40 years that i've known him he's been successful at everything, but he manages by conflict. so he replies in various points of view. he listens to them all and then
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he cure ates a point of view based on differing view. nothing has changed. what's made it better is general kelly is creating a different menu for him to cure ate. so a lot of these issues that used to come to him impromptu of the open door of the oval office have stopped. general kelly organizes an agenda. i can tell you there's only one president. there's only one person who creates the agenda. there's only one person who makes the final decision. >> and there are reports that he kind of chafes at these constraints. >> i don't think he chafes. i think he's learning to govern an ungovernable amount of work. now he's governing a different way. even the congressional agenda, he didn't take on senator corker just on his own. senator corker made a statement, and as we've talked about, the president is a fighter. so rather than taking the diplomatic way out and saying i'm not going to engage this this kind of dialogue with a member of the senate -- >> why would he do that?
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right. why wouldn't he do that, though? >> that's who he is. and he looks at his base and says you know what? everybody, everybody would like to see me not put up with a statement like that. and i'm not going to put up with it because i don't need it. >> gloria, when tom barrack told you was like 180 degrees different between what he told the -- from what he told the "washington post" just yesterday that he was shocked and stunned by some of the president's rhetoric. i read a transcript -- he said about the president he's been the best communication in history. tillerson, calling hm a moron doesn't causes any friction because, devote, the president is so far above worrying words. are you kidding? >> that struck me too. look, tom barrack clearly heard from the white house on this. i don't believe he married from the president directly, but i'm sure he will at some point.
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and i think it was create, shall we say, a problem for him. and i think he felt like in many ways the chief of staff felt today, that he had to get out there and he had to explain himself. and as you see, he really worked very hard to try and make it clear how much he add myers the president and how the president cares about words and all the rest of it -- >> the spin on everything, like nobody has been fired from the white house. they have all in his words matriculated. >> right. >> that the president has been successful in anything and that -- yeah, he said fired is a harsh word. >> right. it's a little aliks in wonderland, but i think tom barrack is ultimately loyal to the president and i think sometimes the president demands that he can see that loyalty, and he was particularly upset about, you know, the headline in
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the "washington post," which was he's better than that. and i think that stuck in the craw over at the white house and we've all covered white houses in which they have to do cleanup and i think this was a day of cleanup. >> david, is that what it is to you? it does seem like this interview is part of a larger pattern that we've seen today, the white house trying to get their arms out and trying to control the message. >> first of all as i hear you guys talk i'm wondering how reince priebus is sitting out his ma trick lags right now. yes, look, i think that there is a pattern here where people try and send signals to the president, as i think tom barrack was trying to send him a signal through that interview. and sometimes they over shoot the runway. they're not well received and then they are essentially ordered to clean it up, and they're notified in no uncertain terms that they should clean it up. it does happen in white houses that people have to cleanup things that they said. it doesn't happen to this
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degree, and it's very unusual for high members of the administration or friends of the president to use the media to send him messages, but that is how he receives messages. and sometimes you end up with situations like this. >> and gloria, you got the sense with this interview today was in direct response to all the attention the interview got yesterday. >> sure. yeah. absolutely. i think that barrack felt the need to go on the air and proclaim, you know, fewty in a way because he is a friend of the president. and i think that he felt badly about what had occurred and he's not going to say, gee, i really made a mistake or whatever, but when he heard from the white house, it's clear that they felt that i believe that they felt that he had made a mistake. and this is a white house, don't forget, all the stories of the past week have been about an
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isolated, angry, frustrated president. about rex tillerson calling him a moron. about general kelly thinking perhaps about leaving. and so it's no coincidence that you have kelly out there today joking about the fact that he's not leaving and he hasn't fired anybody. and tom barrack out there after his "washington post" interview trying to kind of be his own shovel brigade and make it right as far as the president is concerned. >> one of the ironies about this, anderson, is the notion that he is above reacting to these kinds of afronts, the president. >> the criticisms by others, they're just water off a duck's back. >> this is a guy who will punch down at anybod who takes a shot at him, and there is no doubt that he was well aware of the reports about how unhappy kelly was -- i'm talking about the president now. >> sure. >> well aware of barrack's comments, and i have no doubt that he made his views known to both of them, and that their
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work today was not something that occurred to them in the middle of the night where they woke up and said, gee, maybe i ought to dial that back a little. i think this was at presidential urging. >> thank you. just a reminder, you can watch the axe files saturday night 7:00 eastern time. up next, three weeks after hurricane maria pounded puerto rico the vast majority of the island still has no power. people are still struggling to get enough food and water. now the president says first responders can't stay forever. details next. ...it starts a chain reaction... ...that's heard throughout the connected business world. at&t network security helps protect business, from the largest financial markets to the smallest transactions, by sensing cyber-attacks in near real time and automatically deploying countermeasures. keeping the world of business connected and protected. that's the power of and.
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as the people of puerto rico, american citizens, being, are still struggling to find even water and food after hurricane maria, the president is taking to twitter. this morning he quote, we cannot keep fema, the military and the firs responders who have been amazing under the most difficult circumstances in puerto rico forever. it's only been three weeks. keeping him honest, fema and the other first responders often do stay in disaster zones for a long time and for sure longer than three weeks. more than 12 years after hurricane katrina pounded the gulf coast their still managing the budget for recovery. yet three weeks after maria, when 83% of puerto ricans still don't have power and won't for months the president already seems to be setting some sort of a countdown clock to leave.
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>> reporter: doctor humberto guzman is racing against time. he's drifb by the urgency to save the lives of puerto ricans sweltering in the aftermath. >> do you think people are just hanging on by a string here? >> i know so. that's why we're looking for the elderly, the more frail. >> we're in a city that sits right on the water's edge on the southeast corner of puerto rico. the eye of hurricane maria record right through here. >> the doctor and this team of volunteer doctors are offering medical care to the hardest hit areas of the island. the doctors have walked through 32 different tones in the last three weeks, checking in on storm victims like this man and her husband. >> these people are living on the wedge right now. >> you get emotional about it. >> they're opening their houses to us and we're able to see the conditions that they're living and it's impacting for us.
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>> the hurricane ripped part of the roof off their home. they've received little, if any relief, and they're not strong enough to stand in lines for supplies. doctor guzman worries that across puerto rico there could be hundreds of storm victims not strong enough to survive. >> do you think the death toll as it stands now is an accurate number? >> i don't think so. i don't think so. we've been throughout the island the last 20 days and we've seen independent patients struggle. >> he leads a group called wings of hope and helps the medical volunteers with logistics and supplies. he says there are dozens of communities that haven't been reached by relief workers, and with more than is 10 people still listed as missing, he also fears the death toll will rise significantly. >> every day is a survival mode for most people. if you go out in the more remote areas, i mean, some of these people have nothing. it's crisis for them. >> and doctor guzman fears for those storm victims who have been cut off from access to medical care sbloo ask do you worry that the people that might
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die in the next few days or coming weeks, that those are preventable deaths, that they would have been able to be saved. >> certainly. we've seen the struggles in the communities, the struggles in the hospital. in my opinion, the death toll that is reported, it's really low. >> and i'm wondering just the reaction on the ground to the president's tweets. what's it been? >> well, you know, it's fascinating, anderson, as you can imagine a lot of disgust at those tweets. here in puerto rico it moves at a snal's pace and a lot of times when you talk to people about those tweets you're telling them about it for the first time. that's how hampered communication are. but everyone we spoke to about it, extremely angered. and as you might imagine, obviously the mayor here of san juan, who has had her issues with the president, she responded to the president saying it is not that you do not get it. you are incapable of fulfilling the moral imperative to help the people of puerto rico. shame on you, she wrote. and then the governor of puerto
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rico responded the u.s. citizens in puerto rico are requesting the support that any of our fellow citizens would receive across our nation. so not just at the official levels, but everyone we spoke to on the ground here today extremely angered by that tweet today, anderson. >> thanks vep for being there. up next, an american mom, her canadian husband and their three young children who were born in captivity are free after five long years. so far the family is refusing to return home. we'll tell you why. how they were freed and what happens next when we continue. y days and nights out of sync, keeping me from the things i love to do. talk to your doctor, and call 844-214-2424. take 5, guys. tired of your bladder always cutting into your day? you may have overactive bladder, or oab.
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♪ the president last night promised important news from a country that once he said totally disrespected us, his words. today we learned what it is that he was talking about. pakistani forces recovering an american woman her husband and children born during five years
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of captivity. last night u.s. intelligence assets let them know they were used. five cap tors were killed, we're told. the cap tifs were freed. he thanked pakistan and claimed victory. however, there are questions about the circumstances surrounding this and obviously welcome developments as well as complications involving the family's repatriation. so what more are you learning about how this family was rescued? >> we know that u.s. intelligence had been tracking them, seeing movements in this remote, mountainous area, this tribal region on the border of afghanistan and pakistan. so they notified the passenger sustains and before the u.s. could launch some kind of plan or rescue operation, three hours later, to their viez, they hear from pakistan that it was over and that this had the family safe. there are plenty of questions, especially at first around that. how did pakistan manage to end this so quickly.
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we know that there was no prisoner exchange and we know at that the taliban had wanted that. we also know for a long time the u.s. has believed that pakistany intelligence has main taped some ties. it turned out this was a dangerous and violent operation, and here is what the family of the canadian josh boyle told them about his, you know, last moments after five years in captivity. as he was being moved with his wife and three kids in the trunk of a vehicle. listen. >> the five of them being in the back of a car, being transferred, and a car being stopped, surrounded by josh described 35 pakistani army officials, a fire fight breaking out, that all five cap tors had been killed by the pakistani army, and all five of our boyles
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are safe and okay. josh said he was hit with some shrapnel and our governments have confirmed that he was damaged in the leg. that's all we know right now about that. >> the pakistani military has confirmed those details. we're hearing very little tonight from the u.s. side. >> joshua boyle who is canadian i understand had concerns about traveling with the u.s. military. >> they wanted once they were rescued to go to the canadian high commission where they talked to both american and canadian officials and he didn't want to board the plane back to the united states. a senior u.s. official told cnn that he was worried about facing law enforcement scrutiny because he had been married for one year to a canadian woman who was a sister of a suspected terrorist who had spent ten years at began tan mow bay prison. that family is suspected of
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having terror ties. so apparently he was worried about that but tonight the justice department put out a statement saying that there is no reason for him to fear arrest. so what's happening now is it's thought that they will stay in pakistan for 24 hours or so where a plan will be sorted out as to where they go, whether it's canada or the united states, and when. >> i appreciate that. get perspective now from david road who is a cnn global affairs analyst. he was held captive by the cal ban for seven months. also with us is cnn national security analyst and author of united states of jihad, peter berg en. peter, i know you've been talking to sources as well. i'm wondering what more you've been learning about this. >> well, the u.s. intelligence was given to the pakistanis at 43:50 wednesday afternoon. three hours later they launched the operation. it was largely conducted according to pakistani officials
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by intelligence agents with a sort of perimeter ring of security provided by the pakistani military. according to the pakistani military official i spoke to not only were some of the hostage takers killed, but some were arrested. this is a developing story. we have the account of the boils. we have the pakistani military official. the pakistani military official was very clear that there was no deal here with the ha can anys. we know there's no prisoner exchange. there was no quid pro quo here. this was a straight rescue operation. one thing very important is these kind of rescue operations are the most dangerous things that can happen with a hostage. often the hostage is killed by the hostage takers or inadvertently by the people rescuing. so the fact that this went flawlessly i think is something to underline because often that's not the case with these
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operations. >> i know you spoke to u.s. intelligence official. i understand they told you accepting u.s. forces spew pakistan was considered at one point. >> it was, but there was concern about below back. there was so much anger in pakistan after the u.s. raid, unilateral raid that killed oh samba bin laden. there was also an issue of timing and the pakistani had forces in the area and so the decision was to tell the pakistanis and have them go ahead and carry out this raid. >> is it surprising to you, david, that u.s. intelligence seemed to be aware of their location and also that pakistan was so quickly able to mobilize? >> i'm not surprised. i think this was a lucky thing, intelligence wise. i think there was some kind of maybe an intercept or human source that told them they were moving the cap tifs. so, you know, i would say that was very rare. what's very rare is the pakistanis acted on the intelligence. and it's not clear if this
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represents a change in pakistan's, you know, decade long support for the ha can any network or is this sort of a one off. they got this intelligence. they'd be embarrassed if they didn't act on it and they've done this, but nothing will change in terms of their long-term strategy. >> peter, one of the things the president had said when he sort of hinted about this yesterday was saying that a military adviser had come into him and is, look, this wouldn't have happened years ago, that the pakistanis wouldn't have done this. the question is does the president get some krut for the tough rhetoric he's had toward pakistan that this maybe motivated them in some way? >> well, that's very possible. but i will also say these hostages have been held for five years. there are hundreds of people in the u.s. government who have been working in one way or another city state department, the cia working to release these hostages. so the idea that it all started when trump came into office i'm very skept alof.
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on the other hand he has tough end the rhetoric and by the way, the obama administration was tough. susan rice read them the riot act. certainly president trump has amped up the rhetoric a little bit, was this a response, it's hard to tell because as david said, you know, basically this was a very, very lucky break in terms of the intelligence and people acting very quickly. and these are not things that you can kind of, you know, just -- you can't plan for this. and, you know, the fact that they were moving the hostages made it a lot easier odd this operation. imagine, for instance, if this was in a house where it was well defended and you're looking at a much harder target. this was a window of opportunity that was pretty brief and was act upon quite successfully. >> it's also extraordinary. she had three children while in captivity. >> yeah. it is amazing. and i'm biased from my own captivity, but i blame the kid narps most of all. five years.
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it's extraordinary. there are two americans still being held by the ha can nis. paul over beis a journalist and p kevin king was a professor at the american university in cab you will. there's an australia captive as well. and then around this world this problem of hostages continues. austin ties is still being held in syria. thaurs four americans it's believed at least in iran and three americans in north korea. so this problem of hostage taking continues. but this is wonderful news. i could not be happier for this family. >> yeah. appreciate it. good to have you on. coming up next, praking news. new deaths confirmed tonight in northern california where wildfires continue to burn out of control. forecasters are warning of worsening conditions tomorrow. we'll have the latest in a moment. crohn's disease.
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wildfires raging across california has risen to 29. that gives it the horrible distinction of the time, the deadliest fire in the state. 1933 griffith park fire in los angeles, as for the nearly two dozen fires burning right now. more than half of the deaths have occurred in sonoma county. which is, of course, wine country. across the state more than 8,000 firefighters working around the clock, trying to get the upper hand on blazes. dan simon joins us from the hard hit town of calistoga. what's the latest on the ground, dan? >> reporter: well, anderson, it remains to be a precarious situation. we were with a firefighting unit today, they were doing everything they could to save the community. at one point we actually saw the flames jump this natural barrier here at highway 29. we saw the flames inch their way toward calistoga, and we saw a lot of urgency, and the firefighters race to get those flames put out. ultimately they did. but like i said, it's still a
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fragile situation. i'm going to step out of frame here, because off in the distance, you may be able to see a hint of the flame there. there are some firefighters not too concerned about those flames at the moment. they are standing by because if the winds kick up, it could be a dangerous situation for calistoga. they're just monitoring things. but by no means are we through with this disaster here in calistoga. >> is it known how many people are still missing? i know we're saying hundreds. >> reporter: it has been a moving target over the last few days. right now it stands at 400, that really is a scary number, it goes up, it goes down. hopefully that number will be paired down as people report that their loved ones have been found safely. but at this point 29 people confirmed dead as you said, that ties for the record. and unfortunately, this fire looks like it's in the history books. >> what's going to happen with the weather? is it expected to cooperate at
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all? >> reporter: right now the winds actually look pretty good. no wind to speak of, tomorrow night that is when things are expected to kick up again, we could be looking at gusts up to 40, 50 miles per hour, according to the cnn weather center, you better believe it, that firefighters will be here in force. you have 8,000 of them. they're operating virtually on no sleep. they've done a heroic job. we haven't seen too many structures go up in flames over the last couple days. up next, the white house does damage control after a string of bad headlines, claiming there's a lot of chaos in the west wing. what trump's chief of staff told reporters today when we continue. excellence haircolor by l'oréal. it colors. with pro-keratine complex rich, radiant color and it cares for my hair. no color protects better. or covers gray better. so much care in one little box. excellence crème from l'oréal paris. steve chooses to walk over the26.2 miles,9 days... that's a marathon. and he does it with dr. scholl's.
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my mind went totally blank. all i remember saying was, "my boyfriend's beating me" and she took it from there. and all of this occurred in four minutes or less. i am grateful we all made it out safely. people you don't know care about you. it's kind of one of those things where you can't even thank somebody. to protect what you love, call 1-800-adt-cares we begin the hour with perhaps the quote of the day, i was not brought in to control him. that's white house chief of staff and marine corp general john kelly talking about president trump. the same john kelly who, it's widely believed, widely reported, until now barely disputed, was brought in to control the president of the united states. today he gave a rare press conference aimed at pouring cold water on all the stories lately, most of them sourced to white house insiders, people close to the west wing, painting a picture of deep dysfunction. that's what general kelly is up against, and what, today, he railed against. >> my frustration, with all due respect to everyone in the room,
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is when i come to work in the morning and read about things i allegedly said or things mr. trump allegedly said or people who are going to be fired or whatever, and it's just not true. that's my frustration. i mean no disrespect to you all. >> he said more than that. we'll talk about all of it, but let's go first to cnn's jeff zeleny who's at the white house. what are you learning about why general kelly came out today to speak to the press? >> reporter: anderson, actually, we learned just a short time ago, i was talking to a white house official who tells me that the president asked his chief of staff to go before the cameras today to quell so much of the questions here that have been going on about all the things in the west wing, staffing, other matters. so this was the president urging and asking his chief of staff, who's quite camera shy, which was pretty striking when he walked out into the press briefing room to make his first appearance there, he was on the direction on the order of the president. anderson, t