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i do want to very quickly clarify in case we were clear that he was talking about the head of amazon studios, and she was calling out jeff bezos, but the person she told about the rape was jeff bezos. this is not a repeal or replacement. this is an undermining of obamacare. >> it's common sense. it will help to provide lower cost and more competition for people. >> it makes a situation that needs to be fixed much worse. >> it was one of the most incompetently drawn deals i have seen. >> if the u.s. walk away from this deal then who will trust america. >> if the president chooses to not certify it will start a process of isolating us from our
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allies. >> as flawed as the deal is, i believe me must now enforce the hell out of it. >> announcer: this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. trump said he will stop paying billions in subsidies that helped poor americans afford coverage. this comes after the president signed an executive order allowing alternative health plans that skirt some of the law's requirements. the president calls obamacare, a, quote, a broken mess. >> and a lot of the moves he's making now will make the ahc a mess. he certified twice iran is
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complying, and we'll tell you about the president's new strategy for iran and what he's asking congress to do. there's something else that deserves voice this morning. we will be covering the news, but please look at the service members on your screen. they all gave their lives in for this country. these are names you have not heard come out of the president's mouth or on twitter. for all of the things he talks about, he has not mentioned these men or their sacrifice. we have to respect and remember their sacrifice. our best to their friends and loved ones. good morning, chris, i have reached out to the press office here at the white house to ask why the president has said not
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anything at all about the green berets and no office from the white house press office. on the issue of health care here at the white house, the president was up bright and early before 6:00 a.m. eastern time tweeting, trying to get ahead of the national conversation and here's the second tweet that he put out this morning. it says obamacare is a broken mess. piece by piece we will now begin the process of giving america the great health carre it deserves. the president is putting his own fingerprint now, an insurance that is regulated by the federal government and he's done it without an act of congress. trump upending the health care market, scrapping subsidy payments to insurers that helped 6 million lower income americans
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pay for health care. it will cost $7 billion this year, is set to end immediately. the exchange premiums will rise 20% next year, and increase the national deficit by $194 billion over 10 years. the move could force many insurers to flee the marketplace entirely. >> we pay hundreds of millions of dollars a month in subsidy that the courts don't even want us to pay, and when the payment stops it stops immediately. >> president trump has threatened to end the subsidies for months, but both parties have urged the president to pay in the short term to stabilize the markets. democratic leadership blasting the decision as a spiteful act of vast pointless sabotage leveled at working families and
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the middle class before insisting that president trump will pay a price for this decision. house speaker, paul ryan, applauding the move while republican congresswoman ross said cutting subsidies will be more uninsured in my district. that comes hours after the president signed the bill. >> this will cost the united states government, virtually nothing, and people will have great, great health care. >> president trump legislating through executive order despite repeatedly attacking his predecessor for doing the same. >> you have the president signing executive orders because he can't get anything done. >> the significant decisions coming ahead another
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announcement this afternoon. >> that deal is an embarrassment to the united states. >> it's a move that kicks the shall to congress but stops short of withdrawing from the agreement entirely. lawmakers would have 60 days to decide to reinstate economic on the agreement. >> he suggested the first responders and fema could not stay in puerto rico forever following the hurricanes. he sounds different this morning. the wonderful people of puerto rico with their unmatched spirit know how bad things were before the hst, and i presume that means hurricanes, and so the
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president singing a different tune on puerto rico. >> sounds like he is clarifying his position. here to help us understand what is happening, maggie haberman. we want to start with the big changes in health care. president trump, as you know, hated executive orders when president obama used them, and he has now used more than twice as many or twice as many as president trump had at this point in his presidency. what is going on inside the white house with health care? >> look, the white house -- parts of the white house, anyway, people there are frustrated by the lack of movement by congress, and this is going back to the spring. the president is frustrated, too. to your point, we often talk about how there's a previous trump tweet for all occasions now that he is president, and there's also a radio and tv interview, as we saw.
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he's covering that actually working can congress is not as easy as he sold it on the campaign trail. there's not harmony on how to deal with obamacare, how to proceed with it. there was a meeting that the president had with the gop senate caucus during the summer where he talked about a wide range of issues and one of the issues he talked about was health care, and he talked about how he wanted to end the monthly subsidies and he had been talked out of it and one senator in the room told him as soon as you do that, we will own health care, and the gop will be responsible for blowing up obamacare, that's how we will be seen. >> what is the plus and minus on this move? what do they think they have gained? >> they made a pledge for a long time as a gop congress running over several terms they were going to repeal obamacare.
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you noted in an earlier segment obamacare has become more popular, and the republicans have taken an election of donald trump as a signal the public did want to change and they feel like they needed to do something to have a menu of accomplishments for the gop to run on next year. again, everybody does not see it this way in the white house. certainly everybody does not see it this way in congress. their feeling is they talked about it so long they have to do something to make a move. the move is going to result -- almost everybody agrees -- in higher premiums. i am not sure how that will play out. >> it sounds like a result in higher premiums for maybe the upper class? he's getting rid of the subsidies for the lowest income people among us. is there any fear that that will come back to bite him? i know he bills it as a bailout to insurance companies he's going after, but what are the political ramifications?
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>> it's a risk. i don't know how this is going to look. i know what the white house says, and i know what health care experts say about what this is going to look liking and who it's going to affect. there's a fairly broad sentiment from the white house that this is going to raise premiums of middle class people. we will have to see how it plays out. if that happens that's politically dangerous, and they are taking a huge gamble, this white house, in order to say we got something done in an otherwise stalemated year. >> this is good insight into the collective wrestling with a campaign promise versus a economic value. let's go to puerto rico. i am assuming this is not a collective thought process. he goes after by the renewed criticism by the san juan mayor,
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saying he could not be there forever, and today he is making a.the. they know how things were before the hurricanes. what is his notion as far as what you can tell from the people around him, about what this gets him saying you had debt problems and infrastructure problems and somehow that means that what happened with the hurricanes is understandable? >> there has been a pretty shared sentiment extensively within the administration that the issues with puerto rico's debt and its infrastructure and all sorts of actual structural problems prior to the hurricane has made it much harder to make a smooth recovery effort, and this president, as we know, is concerned about how he is perceived whether he is blamed or seen as doing good, and he thinks he's framing an argument, and everything with him, and almost everything with the white house is reactive. you don't see them trying to
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tell a positive story of the administration, and it's often this person is wrong and i am much better and he's responding to the san juan mayor, and that's what we saw. he's genuinely angry and frustrated. whether he should feel that way or whether it's smart to express is an entirely different issue. what you see today is what we have often seen where you will get the first tweet, which is what he really thinks and then massaged message from aides which appears later. >> chief of staff, john kelly, a man normally avoiding the spotlight, i mean famously trying to avoid the spotlight, appeared at the podium to -- it seems like extinguish any rumors his time may be limited in that role. let me play for everybody what he said to the press yesterday. >> i would just offer to you that although i read it all the time, pretty consistently, i'm
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not quitting today, and i don't think i am being fired today, and i am not so frustrated in this job that i am thinking of leaving. unless things change, i'm not quitting, i'm not getting fired, and i don't think you will fire anybody tomorrow. >> you had that moment come to pass. >> the president wanted him to go out there and address this constant -- it's not even a low-grade fever at this point, it's a medium-grade fever, and look, kelly dealt with the most extreme questions about this administration and his tenure there, right, which are, are you quitting right now? do you want control of the tweets? he did not say what the president said he said, this is the best job he ever had, he said it was the most important job he ever had.
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he is trying to increase the flow of good information to the president so it can affect the president's decision making. it's safe to say both the president and the white house have gotten frustrated with being bitten constantly by bugs either internally in the white house or outside of people who want to see kelly do poorly. that doesn't mean kelly will be there for seven more years as the president also claimed. most people would be surprised if he would last another year on the other hand. most chiefs of staff don't last that long in the white house. it's a grueling job. i think he wants people to visibly see him, and there's a recognition in the white house where they have not been smart in engaging the media and trying to respond and i think that's what this was. >> yeah, and i mean, calling the media an enemy of the people is not always the best engagement. >> no, it's not the smartest. i think john kelly genuinely
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does not think the media is the opposition party, and kelly lost his son to the country and he believes in duty and honor and i think he believes in the first amendment. that does not mean he believes everything the press writes is great. i do think that he is trying to change the way they have engaged with the white house press corps over many months. i think there's a recognition that they basically walked out on january 21st and lit a bomb and then had been dealing with picking up all the pieces since then, and they are trying to do it better. >> maggie, let me ask you something. i don't know if you saw the top of the show. you know we lost service members as part of an operation, and the president has not mentioned a word about it. what do you know about that? >> this is a running theme in
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this white house, right? if you think about what happened with the service members lost on the "uss john s. mccain." you did not hear the president talk about that. he talked about it eventually but it was pretty late and muted. >> if we blamed him for the loss of life, he would then talk about it, maybe? >> as i said earlier, it's all reactive. this just has not been a high priority of his. we have seen him repeatedly enjoy the role of comforter and chief when it involved traveling to a location like a hurricane or the horrific shootings in las vegas. he's not doing that here. it's a bit mystifying. >> maggie, always good to talk to you.
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out west 31 people dead. hundreds missing in those raging wildfires in northern california. this is the deadliest week of fires in california's history. cnn's ryan young is live in sonoma with more. we see you have the mask on because the smoke is so thick and they are having a lot of trouble controlling the fire. what's the latest? >> reporter: they are, and you look at the mountainsides these firefighters are going into, and you have to call them heroes, and there are more than 8,000 battling in shifts to control the fire. we move closer to where the firefighters are fighting the fire, and we are definitely feeling the affects of our lungs and breathing. that's one of the production lights there, and it looks like it's snowing in the distance. that is ash coming off the mountainside. in the middle of wine country, this is amazing to see some of the smoke plumes in this area.
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if you look in the distance, you can see a dairy that was completely destroyed. when you think about how fast this fire has been moving, the fact that so many hundreds are still missing, that's the scary part. cadaver dogs have been brought in at this point and they will start to do those searches in some neighbors where people have not been found. you look at the areas where some people died, and it is going to be another tough 24 hours for firefighters and everybody is hoping they can knock some of the flames down in the near future. >> just so tragic when you look at the ages of the folks who were tracked there, and the staggering number of missing. thank you very much for the update from there. president trump will announce this morning he is decertifying the iran nuclear deal. what does that mean, and why now? key! wakey! rise and shine! oh my gosh! how are you? well watch this. i pop that in there. press brew. that's it. look how much coffee's in here? fresh coffee. so rich. i love it. that's why you should be a keurig man!
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niger. in just hours the president is expected to announce a new strategy on iran, and part of it will be saying that iran has not complied with the historic nuclear deal, but falling short, we believe, of pulling out of the historic accord. let's discuss the move and the timing and the implications with mike rogers and editor at large of "time" magazine, ian brenner. the timing and tactic, how do you see it?
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>> this may not be the worst thing. there's only one thing that concerns me about it, so let me back up. there's a lot of problems iran caused in the region, and they still maintain a weapon smuggling operation, and also missile testing, and that could be a problem in getting to a full weaponized nuclear program. here's the one interesting thing. the only concern i have, this might get europe engaged to help on the missiles and the trouble in the middle east, and he may not be able to control the middle of it. >> it's a little bit of a low bar to say it's not the worst move that we could be seeing when you are dealing with a potential nuclear power not too
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far in the distance. you are decertifying although allies and inspectors say nothing changed. your allies don't like it and iran says if you do this we are going to react to it, so what is the long game here? >> well, it's not really saying that the iranians are not compliant. trump has the right to decertify if he sees this deal is not in the fundamental interests of american national security. i think that's the clause here, that they are actually going to use. then he kicks it to congress. the iranians are making 18 billion additional even though the oil restrictions have been removed from them, and they want that money. there's actually a little give on the irans to cooperate more -- >> even if they won't negotiate,
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you think there may be room for renegotiation. >> i don't think they will renegotiate the deal, but we could get additional things from iran. the deal was very narrow in terms, for example, their level of cooperation with hezbollah, and the u.s. considers them a terror organization. but for the americans to accomplish that, you would really need a president and administration that has very strong relations with american allies in the region, in europe, and can work with the russians and chinese effectively. that's a very high bar for this administration. >> mike, why now, especially when supposedly the burner is north korea, why do this with iran now? >> i am not sure of that answer, other than we have seen recently the introduction of explosives and ied type of components that
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reintroduction of the lethal ied weapons and components likely coming from iran, i would imagine the intel folks said we have got to do something about it. the $18 billion that ian talks about is money they are using to fuel all the bad activities in yemen, iraq, afghanistan, in syria and lebanon. i think that maybe that frustration is, listen, we have got to do something about it and can we get our european allies engaged in helping us fight that problem and the ballistic missile problem. i think this is that happy medium. it doesn't do away with the deal but will ramp up the pressure. will it work? not sure. but i agree with ian, we have to get the european allies in on it
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as soon as possible. >> and this has to get recertified every three months, and three months ago when tillerson said, yes, and everybody internationally agrees they are compliant, and trump said publicly at that point, he said they are not compliant with the spirit of the deal and i don't even think they are compliant with the actual deal, and he was saying internally, get me out of this, i am not doing this again. now three months have passed, and here it is again. the good news is that everybody, even the israelis and soudies have been saying, do not pull out of the deal. >> i don't get it. i take you point, ian, and thank you, and it creates a fundamental confusion. if everybody is saying you can't
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pull out, you have to assume iran has a few good sets of ears, too, and presumably they know they are telling the u.s. you can't back out of the deal so where is your leverage to get them to move to not back out of the deal. >> he is decertifying it which means there's a period of time in which congress can go back and react to the information they will get if they are going to redo sanctions. what the president's staff is doing here is trying to build some time on trying to get an agreement on these other things. that's what i hope they are doing. this pressure could use -- could be used to get our european allies to say we got it and we will have to do something about their missile development and something about their funding terrorism across the middle east, so let's work on that in the next 60 days. if that's the outcome, chris, this could be a good thing. the one thing you worry about,
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president trump announcing he will no longer pay obamacare subsidies for poor americans. nearly 6 million americans qualify for the subsidized health care cost and they could soon see their premiums skyrocket. joining us, former u.s. labor secretary, robert rush, and former director of the congressional budget office, douglas eeken. good to have both of you here and you are experts in everything we need this morning. douglas, you are perfect because you were at the cbo. what is the impact of the president sharing the subsidies
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for the low income citizens. >> it's unconstitutional for the president to make the payments. he just decided to stop paying them. having said that, i think there will be less impact on low income americans than one might think. the insurers, to my knowledge have been anticipating this, and they have filed for bigger rate increases, larger rate increases -- >> who is going to foot the bill for those rate increases? >> the taxpayers are. the people eligible for the subsidies, they are in the so-called silver plans in the exchange, and when the plans go up -- they will continue to be shield the from the cost, and it's more expensive to do it this way. it's cheaper to pay the cost-sharing money, but it's going to be more expensive. we will have the big subsidies.
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it's the unsubsidized people in the exchanges that face higher premiums that will get hurt by this. >> so the higher income earners will see their premiums go up? >> yes, absolutely. >> what do you think about this move? >> for years republicans have tried to repeal and replace obamacare, and in fact, even when they have the house and they have the senate and the presidency, they tried three times to repeal and replace, and they did not do it and now donald trump is taking it on himself to undermine and subvert the act that so millions of people are going to have to pay more, which means many, many, millions of low income people are not going to have access to health care. that's basically it. how is he doing this? he's doing it in a variety of ways. the most recent, he is just simply going to stop the payments, the subsidies to insurance companies so that they
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can finance low income people. doug said the court is saying no. this is still stuck in the courts. it was stuck in the courts. we have not had the supreme court -- the supreme court certainly has not ruled on this. this is really an issue about whether you continue to provide coverage to low income people, and whether you continue to require that healthier people, in effect, subsidize poorer people and people -- and sicker people. this is the guts of the act and this is what the trump administration is basically unraveling. >> doug, you know the president says these have been bailouts for insurance companies to pay the subsidies. there's a debate about whether or not it's, as you say, illegal or whether or not it's still going through the court process. it's not a decided matter yet. >> the district court has ruled,
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and it could be appealed to the supreme court, and it's an ongoing legal issue. it's an important legal issue. you step back from the legal part and if you want to have federal subsidies to lower income individuals in exchanges the congress should appropriate the money, and that's the constitutional role. to me, it's trying to have it both ways to not vote for the money and then ask the president to do it even though you sued him saying you should not be able to do that. it's a mess politically. the fundamentals are simple. these are the structures of the exchanges, and many don't have a lot of out of pockets, and they will continue to get that. the question is now who tpaofoo the bill. >> i don't think they will continue to get it. the premiums and co-payments are
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going to go up particularly for -- >> they can't. they can't. >> -- for the subsidies. >> the policies of those individuals are a piece of legislation. they will get those policies, they will get subsidies that compensate them for the cost of the policies, which is really going to go up. the people that don't get -- >> yeah, and it's -- i want to move on. >> we are talking about a difference that is really not that different. there are a lot of people, an estimated 6 million to 8 million people, i have seen the most latest estimates that are not going to be able to afford health insurance because of this change. we can debate exactly who they are, but the fact of the matter is they are lower income people and they won't be able -- why do this? what is the point of doing this? why is it necessary right now? why when we are spending tens of
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millions of additional problems, the trump and republicans want to spend more billions additionally on the military next year, and why can't we afford $7 million for lower income americans for health care? that doesn't make any sense. >> last word, doug. >> i am not going to disagree about you have to decide your priorities. it's a two-part problem. number one, do you have the congress or the president do it off the books? i think the congress should do it. this is part of the law. the congress should appropriate the money or get rid of the legislation. >> thank you for the debate. we just had quite an event unfold, not just alisyn's interviewing skills, but susan collins made a drawn out
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announcement about her future. she had us going. alisyn and i -- no, she's running for governor, no, i think she's going for senate. what happened? >> reporter: this is a well-kept secret, and up to the last moment susan collins first blasting congress for their partisan ship, and then making the pivot to announce the elephant in the room here, will she or will she not run for governor of maine. she decided she will not run for governor of maine, and that means she is staying put in the senate. she said it was a tough decision and one she deliberated on for many, many months. ultimately she believes she can be more productive here in the senate. here's what she said moments ago. >> a key role in advancing
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policies, and help working families and bring peace and stability to a troubled and violent world, and i have concluded that the best way that i can contribute to these priorities is to remain a member of the united states senate. >> you hear there senator susan collins said key role, and that's an important bit she revealed. she knows very well she holds a very important and oversized role here in the senate as one of the few moderate republicans. her voice goes a long way. she, of course, killed two versions of the republican health care bill, and so she eluded to she intends to hold on to the power as they tackle legislative issues. >> she had us on the edge of our seat waiting to hear her say.
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it is friday the 13th. the president using the occasion to raise anxiety on two fronts. dismantling the obama legacy, aca, by saying that he will not continue cost-sharing revenues that are essential to lower income people getting health care, and decertifying the iran nuclear deal today. let's get the bottom line on these moves with cnn political commentator, david "the axe" axelrod. congratulations on joran keyyou. >> the president seems highly motivated, as you say, dismantle the obama legacy. i am less concerned about that than the impact of what he's
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doing. there are millions of people whose health care is now in question because of what he's doing. premiums of the congressional budget office will go up 20% in these individual exchanges because of what he's doing. he's been subverting the aca kind of piece by piece. i don't know if that is the motivation for him, but the impact is on people. the iran deal, you know, his own national security team publicly said that iran was complying with the agreement, so he is walking away from it. that was his business practice. he broke contracts regularly in business, but when you do it on a global stage like this, you lose your allies and you lose trust and you create a dangerous situation. i am personally, as somebody who worked for president obama less concerned about the obama legacy
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than the impact on national security and the security of families around the country. >> and you are talking about your personal interests in the affordable care act, because you had a child with a pre-existing condition. >> and went through a lot of the financial struggles that one does when your child as a pre-existing condition. >> he's not touching the pre-existing condition -- >> one of the impacts of what he's doing is de facto kr re-creating a two-tier market. that's going to be very difficult for people with pre-existing conditions. >> and short term catastrophic care plans don't cover pre-existing conditions, and that's why they are cheaper. >> there's no secret to how you can lower the cost of health
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care if you sell junk health care policies, just as you can see online college -- this is -- you know, you feel like the president's ego is invested in dismantling the affordable care act. i think he believes the base of his party is angry because congress is not doing it, and there's a political motivation but the impact will be serious for people. >> we heard people on our air today saying getting rid of the subsidies is fine, and they say those were illegal, and they should have been paid to the insurers anyway. >> their argument is that congress should do it. let's see if congress will do it. if they don't then the loss of insurance for the millions of
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people and the skyrocketing premiums will be on their hands. >> the district court found that the sharing subsidies should have been done by congress and went to appeal and both parties held it in abe so the litigation is not over. do you think the motivation is really the president to check a box that i kept my promise, i said i would get rid of obamacare and i'm doing it, and iran, the deal stunk, i'm doing this. >> i think everything to him is about the sort of curb appeal, the appearance, and he made these commitments and he wants to keep them. i do think he also has some resentment to president obama who left as a very popular president. he's not a very popular president. i think that bothers him. yes, i think he mainly is checking a box.
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>> david axelrod, great to have you here. be sure and watch the axe files tomorrow, and he talks with nancy pelosi tomorrow at 7:00 p.m. eastern. poppy harlow, john berman, they have breaking news for you right after the break. please, stay with cnn. >> have a great weekend.
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good morning, everyone. i am john berman. >> i am poppy harlow. the president this morning putting pen to paper to reverse two key obama deals, and it's a strategy that will fall short of scrapping the policy despite calling it a terrible deal. and then another big part of obama's legacy, obamacare. it will get rid of $7 billion in subsidies for poor people across the country.

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