i'm michael smerconish in philadelphia. we welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. is president trump getting things done or just undoing anything president obama did? the decertification of the iran nuclear deal and cutting off federal subsidies for the affordable care act, both fulfill campaign promises but seem all about under mining obama's legacy. i'll talk to former obama advisor david axle rod.

and when gop senator bob corker uncorked on trump's behavior was his behavior planned? if so, it worked. but is the option a realistic one? plus harvey weinstein's sexual harassment scandal ended his employment and scrutiny of male behavior in the workplace. but could it have a chilling effect for women? and i was shocked when i found out that one of my millennials didn't know to put detergent in the washing machine. but he's not alone. they've realized they first have to teach some basics. but first the president's recent twitter war with senator bob corker may have looked familiar, stoking his base. but to me the specific wording of the response rhetoric by the republican senator from tennessee had a greater goal.

trying to spark a public debate under the 25th amendment about the president's fitness for office. and i called it so at 6:00 a.m. last monday on cnn's "new day." i think he's planting seeds for questioning the fitness, the mental fitness of the president pursuant to the 25th amendment to continue with his responsibilities. by weeks end it appeared that i was right and senator corker had succeeded. some of corker's recent statements made it into this explosive "vanity fair" article entitled i hate everyone in the white house, trump seethes as advisers fear the president is unraveling. in that piece former white house advisor steve bannon was quoted as saying president trump only has a 30% chance of finishing his first term because of the 25th amendment. we're in new territory here, and corker because he's an establishment republican and had been a trump supporter is largely responsible.

now the animty between the president and senator corker had been building for a while. in august after the president said the marchers in charlottesville included some very fine people, corker said this. >> the president has not yet -- has not yet been able to demonstrate the stability nor some of the competence that he needs to demonstrate in order to be successful. >> and more recently after nbc news reported that secretary of state rex tillerson had called the president an fing moron, corker weighed in again. >> i think secretary tillerson, secretary mattis, and chief of staff kelly are those people that help separate our country from chaos. and i support them very much. >> then came last sunday when

corker was quoted "the new york times" as saying, he concerns me. he would have to concern anyone who cares about the nation. he also said that president trump was treating his office like a reality show with reckless threats towards other countries that could set the nation, quote, on the path towards world war iii. when "the times" asked whether he thought trump was fit for the presidency, corker demurred. but he's nevertheless made interesting word choices saying the president lacks stability and competence. and that the president is reckless and on a path to world war iii. those sound like the sort of things you say when making the case that someone is unable to discharge their duties as is specified in the 25th amendment. here's how section 4 reads. quote, whenever the vice president and a majority of either the principle officers of the executive departments transmit to the president pro tem of the senate and speaker of

the house of representatives they're written declaration that the president is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the vice president shall immediately assume the duties and power of the office as acting president. i personally don't see a 25th amendment case to be made against the president, at least not now. but my hunch is that in his response, senator corker was seeking to start this kind of conversation. and today there are ten previously planned town halls, calling for the president's removal from office under the 25th amendment because they think he's not psychologically fit. one more thing, that "vanity fair" article also reported when steve bannon mentioned to president trump he should be worried about the 25th amendment, the president reportedly replied what's that. by the end of the week thanks to bob corker, i think he now knows. the amendments wording unable to

discharge, is not defined. so i wanted to invite the perfect guest to elaborate and explain. he's the author of constitutional cliff hangers, a legal guide for presidents and their enemies. so what does it mean to be unable to discharge the powers? duties? >> well, the term is left undefine. and it's left undefined on purpose because they wanted it to be vague, want it boo be flexible. and instead they delegate who the decision makers, the vice president, the cabinet, and the president contests it, congress. >> and when you say they we should make clear we're not talking about the founding fathers. this is 1960s amendment intended in the post-kennedy assassination to make sure in the nuclear age we always have a

leader. >> exactly. it was passed by congress and ratified in 1967. in wake of the kennedy assassination and president eisenhower had health problemmizech and they want today make sure that there was always someone there to pick up the duties and powers of the office. >> unable to discharge duties might not be defined, but nevertheless what type of a scenario do you think they had in mind? and do you see any evidence of that today? >> well, i think they really had in mind a situation where the president was in acoma, or the president was missing, where he's physically unable to do the job. and not a situation where the president is doing his job very badly. it does leave room for that situation where if the president is mentally sort of losing his marbles, for them to step in.

but it doesn't work very well in that situation, and they set it up so that if that was the situation that the vice president and the cabinet would have to be absolutely sure that this was going to work, that everyone would agree that the president wouldn't be able to respond before they did this. because if the president can respond, the president can send this to congress. he can say i am just fine, and then they need two thirds in the house, two thirds in the senate to displace him. and that's intentionally more votes than you need to remove the president from impeachment. so they didn't want to this to be an end run for presidents who can do things but doing them really badly. it's really for when they're incapacitated. >> we've never had a coupe

de ta. if we game it out and if the president were to catch wind of it, nothing would stop him from firing cabinet secretaries who were part of it, right? >> exactly. that's why it's really for a president physically in a coma or stuff like that, unless they're meeting in secret and the president gets wind of this, he can stack who the decision makers are. so it really isn't well-suited for this sort of situation. >> additionally, this was playing from the language the vice president needs to be onboard. so even if you had cabinet secretaries, maybe theoretically it's the big four cabinet secretaries should put together such an effort, if the vp doesn't go along with it, it's done. >> exactly. if the vice president isn't onboard, nothing happens. and also if there is no vice

president, if there's a vacancy there, then there's no way to do this. but, yes, you need to have at a minimum vice president pence onboard with this. and vice presidents historically have been very reluctant to move in that direction. ven before there was a 25th amendment, they didn't want to be seen as asuppers. and politically that's a very tricky maneuver to play off, and so it raises the bar. >> professor, stick around. here's something that came in from my facebook page. put it up, and what do we have? 25th amendment wasn't designed to remove unpopular presidents. if trump survived the challenge, it would strengthen him. if he was removed, people would rightly call it a soft coupe. john andrews has it right,

doesn't he, professor? >> yes, but the mission isn't to remove him if he was unpopular. if they thought he was mentally unable to do the job, unfit rather than just making bad decisions, it doesn't really make for that either. i think it's also important not to use the word removed. because unlike impeachment where the president is gone, with this procedure it president is temporarily displaced. and when he comes back and says i'm fine, the vice president says okay or it goes to congress. so he can keep doing that as many times as he wants. he's still there, still the president and he's not actually removed. >> thank you, professor, i appreciate your kperatize. >> thank you for having me. >> i'll say with the facebook comment, i agree with the second part. this conversation probably emboldens president trump. these gatherings taking place today under the headline, duty

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hollywood producer harvey weinstein' pattern of sexual harassment and pay offs have been dominating the headlines all week. ask after similar allegations of roger ales, bill cosby some say this could signal a gender point tipping. but could there be consequences that make it paraduxically harder for women in the workplace. this piece caught my eye. unintended consequences of sexual harassment scandals. and it reported, quote, in silicon valley some have investors have declined one-on-one meetings with women or rescheduled them. in wall street certain senior men have tried to avoid closed door meetings with the women. and it sounds like women should

find fewer chances for if advancement. she's been a management constultant for many firms, including time warner. do you buy into this one of the intended consequences might be this chilling effect on the workplace? >> michael, sadly, yes. that's the reality of it. it was bad enough to start off with. is some of the data we've tracked over the years that 64% of senior men avoid one-on-one contact with women to start off with because they're afraid of sexual inendo. obviously this is going to make it much worse not just for the men but for women, too. 64%% of women avoid one-on-one contact with senior women. i myself have been all over the world, i've had a drink coming

back with a colleague from a hotel and people think i'm -- when we're still primarily seen as sexual beings, still, it's going to make it worse. >> i was going to say give me a scenario that comes to mind, but you just did. for two business colleagues to have a drink at the end of the day, two men, no big deal. it spills over into the workplace. if it's a man and a woman, all of a sudden it's uh-oh, how are we being perceived and is someone going to think i'm the new harvey weinstein of my fortunate 500 company. >> exactly. it makes it even worse if it's a woman of color. >> how so? >> i don't know if i'd been a white woman in these instances, i was assumed oo be a local

person and i was with a caucasian male boss. so there's a race component to it. and that makes it worse. but the up shot here is it's always been tough. the could go in two directions. it could go in the direction of making it safer because we have vigilance and smart companies are going toceive upon this to make environments where you can create transparency, safety, a lot of dialogue around it and stop sexualizing women. >> so if you and i were colleagues, we're not having that drink, and kwaer motgloeg to share a meal. instead we're going to be meeting in a fishbowl inside the office. that hardly seems like a solution. >> that is not necessarily the solution. and it's two-fold. it's one where you create environments where maybe there are designated restaurants you go to, and people know you and i are colleagues and working on a project together. that's probably it. they know for years you and i have been working together and i

believe in you and you believe in me, and together we're going to create something good. i think the worst outcome of what's going on right now in america could be the negative fall out you very rightly point out. >> it seems to me that it extends not just from upper management positions like some of the scenarios you may have been describing but all the way down to the summer internship program, where now instead of mentoring and providing some level of tutoring for a person who's still in college in graduate school, you're going to have some male in upper management thinking maybe i best not spend too much time with her. >> you know what, you can focus on that. and maybe that's going to happen. you can create group-based mentoring and sponsorship. because the reality is women are going to be needed to mentored by mep. because that's who holds power.

you're going to need access to them to have power. the way is how do you desexualize it. and the other thing pointed out in the press is there's a generational difference. if every harvey weinstein, there's a joe who's done it right. so we need to showcase who has done it right. >> there would be a horrible aftermath of this scandal if there was loss opportunities for women in the workplace because of his bad behavior. >> and i see it as an opportunity to break the silence. why we've been silent, fear of retaliation, fear of those doors of opportunities closing up to us. that's not good to us. women, men cannot advocate their responsibility here to continue to sponsor the best and the brightest no matter what they are regardless of gender, regardless of sexuality, men

cannot advocate their responsibilities to creating a better workplace. because you know what? we're going to go to workplaces where aren't harassed. >> appreciate your kpuratize. >> thanks for having me, michael. >> my twitter page is hot. let's see what you got. smerconish instead of looking at the behavior, men will use the hoy light on the sexual harassment as an excuse to shy away from hiring women. jeez, she's really competent, and i'd like to hire her, but people are going to think we're carry agon in a way we shouldn't. that would be another bad outcome from the harvey weinstein. they don't know when telling a woman she looks nice could become sexual harassment. i think some things innocent and

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the affordable care act's federal subsidies to insurance companies endangering coverage for many low income americans. and this of course followed his previous backing out of the paris climate accord, the deregulation of environmental protections, the tightening of immigration law, transgender policies and the list goes on and on. his supporters say he's following through on campaign promises, but does it reflect a broader decision or is it just an act to erase any trace of president obama. he's now of course the director of the university of chicago institute of politics and he hosts cnn's ax files. david, you know barack obama, president obama better than anyone else. how hard must it be for him to remain on the side lines and watch this happen?

>> you know, i get this question a lot, and i get the question about the dismantlement of the obama legacy, and i think his reaction is the same as mine, which is it's not about the dismantlement of his legacy. i'm confident that barack obama will go down in history in very positive terms. he left as a popular president. he led the country through an epic economic crisis, and did some very important things. but i think what disturbs him, and what should disturb many is the impact of these decisions. i believe the president thinks that this is chum in the water, fulfilling his campaign promises for his base. i also believe that he is motivated by trying to oblateraobla obliterate the obama legacy, which is also chum in the water for his base. but there's also this other thing at play that i don't have the qualifications to analyze that clearly motivates him. because anytime he talks about

anything that president obama did, he talks about it in these very caustic term a as if he's jealous or envious of which the esteem obama left office. but the impact of the decisions of what would worry obama and what should worry everyone else, that the walking back of the iran agreement is not going to make america safer. and his own national security advise advisers have testified on this fact and on the fact that iran is actually abiding by the terms of this agreement. the steps he's taken with the affordable care act are tragic because they could lead to the loss of life and certainly the loss of security for millions of americans. so whatever his motivation, the impacts of his decisions are what should worry everyone, not just president obama but all americans. >> and i guess my question is do not these things involve core values?

because as you well remember at his final presser as president, president obama laid out the scenario that he thought would get him back in the game. in fact, roll that clip. >> between that normal functioning of politics and certain issues or certain moments where i think our core values may be at stake i think would be something that would merit me speaking out. >> i guess one of the questions in my mind is whether there's a political calculus here on the part of president obama where he knows it would suit president trump to have hick back out there as a principle antagonist. >> yes. >> because trump would play that to his base. >> i think that's absolutely true, mikemism and there's a couple of other things. one is president obama saw how former presidents treated him. and they treated him with great

respect. because only a president can appreciate what other presidents are dealing with. so they gave him space, and he -- he is mindful of that. so he doesn't want to be a constant presence in the debate. and then the other element of it is he believes that other people have to surface, that he can't be sort of the spear carrier on every fight from now until the end of his useful life, that other people have to step up and take up these concerns. but you are absolutely right. i think donald trump would like nothing better than to have a running debate with barack obama over these issues. because that, too, would gin up his base which seems be aroused by those kinds of fights. >> 7:00 p.m. tonight on the "ax files" a very special interview with nancy pelosi. question, does she fit the

stereotype -- the brand, i'll put it that way, up close and personal of her being a san francisco liberal when you sit down with her? >> well, that's certainly the caricature proponents like to paint of her. i certainly painted that she at the core was the young woman who grew up as a child in baltimore the daughter of a mayor, politician. you ask her what she learned growing up? and she's very blunt about it. i learned how to count, meaning i learned how to find the votes. she's a tremendous organizer, a tremendous strategist. i don't think there would have been an affordable care act without nancy pelosi. and so this depiction of her as some kind of airy fairy san francisco liberal is so far from

the reality of who she is as a politician. and people have constantly underestimated her because of it. >> we're not going to give it all away for free. people have to watch it at 7:00 p.m. tonight. but she had a very interesting question that i thought was fair, i i would have asked of nancy pelosi. >> it's just reading between the lines, given the threats to some of these priorities you care about, you're not likely to leave before the next prejudice election. >> how many men have you asked that question to? >> i haven't had -- i would love to have senator mcconnell sitting in that chair, speaker ryan. >> it's certainly a girl question. >> do you think it is? >> oh,ia, i think it is. and i think it was part of hillary clinton's election as well. but i do know why i'm there, what my purpose is, what a

difference i can make, and do i think i'm indispensable, absolutely not. but i do think i have a responsibility, which i intend to honor. >> look, i thought it was a fair question. the democratic party despite all the foibles at the top at the white house is in pretty sad shape right now. when you look at the house, the senate and what's going on in governor's mansions and state legislators all across the country. >> there's no question about that. and i was there for the first part of the administration. jfs there for the president's re-elect in 2012. so i bear some responsibility for that, and i'm more than happy to acknowledge that. not necessarily happy, but i'm more than willing to acknowledge that. it's interesting. she's very, very sensitive to this notion that somehow she is den trument to the party as a symbol. and when i asked her about that in another part of the

interview, she vesents the younger members who are trying to dismiss her. she says i am grateful to them because they make my caucus only more supportive. i said you don't sound very grateful. >> 7:00 p.m. tonight. lot of tweets coming in. let's put some of them up on the board. what have we got? smerconish, did you not watch the speech? this has nothing to do with obama but more about stopping another north korea situation. i would say, no, that's not saerl a bad thing. but the only common denominator of everything he's done in office seems to be the opposite of that which obama did. his supporters would say, yeah, those were campaign promises. but it seems like anything you put in front of him and tell him

obama went a different way, he's for. smerconish, trump is still seething from the past correspondence dinner where obama made him -- i remember. but for that meat leaf gary busy exchange and how they sold stakes, theo omaha steaks, i still question whether he would have thrown his hat into the ring. coming up how to change a tire or replace a fuse, things have changed. today many millennials struggle to hang a picture or do a load of wash. and speaking of millennials, a bunch of very smart ones challenged me a debate this week at the university of pennsylvania over whether the media is responsible for america's political divide. i'll tell you what happened. feee coming on?

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hey, fill in the blank. i can't believe i had to teach my millennial son or daughter to do blank. i'll go first. one of our four extremely bright did his first load of launddry at college and then texted his  mother that she had inglected to tell him to add detergent. i myself had provided instruction on where to write the return address on an envelope. and when i asked radio listeners on my serious xm program what their kids didn't know, the call board was swamped. here's a small example. >> my son came home a while back. he said, dad, there's something wrong with the car.

it will not go over 30 miles an hour, and i have to floor it. i started it up, i took the hand brake off, and she said what did you just do? >> oh, my gosh. >> i spent a good couple of hours teaching him how to use that phone. and kept asking him do you hear dial tone? and he kept asking me what's a dial tone? >> i'm a family elecktration, and friends and family and their kids call me, and i get all the way to their house and it's a light bulb that's burned out. >> so their kids, my kids are not alone. the wall street journal reports that to target their generation companies such as scotts, home depot, ink, william sonoma, west elm are hosting online class tutorials to teach such basic skills as how to mow a lawn, using a tape measure, hammering

a nail and picking a paint color. ellen, the single biggest age coheart in the united states today are these 26-year-olds. >> that's right. there are more 26-year-olds in the united states than any other age group. and that's followed by 24-year-olds, 27-year-olds, 25-year-olds. >> put that up on the screen so that people can appreciate the graph. there it is. it shows -- and so it's understandable that the retailers and manufacturers, they want to have that market share. but i thought it was hysterical and sad that you report that home depot, they actually wondered if we have a video on how to use a tape measure, maybe that's too condescending. >> well, yeah, there was some debate internly whether they were selling consumers short. they had subjects online like

that. and the traffic online on the video was doing well. and i've heard this company after company, there are these questions consumers are asking young adults, and they want to we the resource ultimately the store where these young adults buy stuff from. >> millennials you say are different, though, especially in the rate in which they achieve independence and adulthood. listen to this. in 2016 just 24% of 25 to 34-year-olds had experienced all four of what the census bureau calls major life milestones. having lived away from parents, having been married, having lived with a child and being in the labor force. that compares to the same age group in 1975 when 45% had achieved all those milestones. that's probably an explanation for what we're discussing, right? >> yeah, exactly. i mean there are some

fundamental differences between young adults today and what they were a generation, two generations ago. and of course that's a result of living through the recession. that's a result of being saddled with huge student loans. but also it's just a realization they had fundamentally in some ways different child hoods than previous generations. this is that group of kids who who had very scheduled child hoods. >> right. >> doing lots of activities, play dates and also busy parents. many times both parents were working. so there wasn't that opportunity to go back in the garden and get your hands dirty planting domateoes. >> i'm so glad you said that in defense of millennials, because i've got four of them, they're busy. they're busy doing stuff. it's just not the kind of stuff i did yore perhaps you did growing much anyway, great piece. thank you so much for writing it and for being here.

>> my pleasure. >> speaking of millennials my listene listeners know i've been hammering the media. this week i had a chance to win over some youthful converts. i expected some invitation for the penn political union at the university of pennsylvania, my alma mater for law school to be their first ever guest to participate in a debate against students. we debated a resolution which said this. political polarization in the united states is primarily the part of a hyperpartisan and senseitationalist media. i noted the rise of a polarizing media over the past three decades coincided with a widening divide in washington and state capitals across the country. coincidence? i think not. my opposition, justin, elena,

rebecca where three smart speakers. they argued polarization was a symptom, not a cause, that polarization has always been present. and what has changed is the delivery of our news and information. each of us tried sometime to use the negative influence of social media to our advantage. in my closing, i attempted to bring john mccain in my side of the argument. mentioning his name led to a lot of finger snapping in the audience, which i didn't know how to interpret, as you'll see. one person who gets what i've described for you is senator john mccain. you'll recall that recently he returned to the senate after having been diagnosed with -- is that a bad thing or good thing? >> good thing. >> wow, did it take this long for something good to happen? he lament the change.

he said we become more tribal, and he wished they would get back as the world's most deliberative body. he embraced compromise, and then he said something i want to quote literally. he said stop listening to the bombastic loud mouths on the radio and television and the internet. to hell with them. they don't want anything done for the public good. and then my favorite part of the quote, "our incapacity is their livelihood." well, mccain knows what i'm speaking. he knows they hold sway. >> in the end, the resolution passed 37-18. i was pleased with the result, but i am not boasting in victory. after all among the six different caucuses, the centrists were deadlocked at 4-4. that was a personal defeat. i thought these were my people. it was a wonderful experience

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