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i'm michael smerkonish in philadelphia. we welcome our viewers in the i states and around the world. is president trump getting things done or just undoing anything president obama did? the decertification of the iran nuclear deal and cutting off federal subsidies for the affordable care act both fulfill campaign promises but seem all about undermining obama's legacy. i'm talk to former obama adviser david axelrod. and when gop senator bob corker uncorked on trump's behavior, was his wording planned to
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invoke the 25th amendment and launch a discussion on the president's fitness for office? if so, it worked. but is the option a realistic one? plus, harvey weinstein's sexual harassment scandal ended his employment and led to a new scrutiny of male behavior in the workplace. but could it have a chilling effect for women? and i was shocked when i found out that one of my millennials didn't know to put detergent in the washing machine. but he's not alone. several retailers targeting the millennial market have realized they first have to teach some basics. but first, the president's recent twitter war with senator bob corker may have looked familiar. stoking his base by targeting an establishment political nemesis. but to me the specific wording of the response rhetoric by the republican senator from tennessee had a greater goal. trying to spark a public debate under the 25th amendment about the president's fitness for
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office. and i called it so. at 6:00 a.m. last monday right here on cnn's "new day." >> i think he's planting seeds for questioning the mental fitness of the president pursuant to the 25th amendment to continue with his responsibilities. >> by week's end it appeared that i was right and senator corker had succeeded. some of corker's recent statements made it into this explosive "vanity fair" article titled "i hate everyone in the white house." trump seethes as advisers fear the president is unraveling. former white house adviser steve bannon was quoted as saying that president trump has only a 30% chance of finishing his first term because of the 25th amendment. we're in new territory here and corker, because he's an establishment republican, and had been a trump supporter, is largely responsible. now, the enmity between the president and senator corker had been building for a while.
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in august after the president said white house nationalist marchers in charlottesville included some very fine people, corker said this. >> the president has not yet, has not yet been able to demonstrate the stability, nor some of the competence that he needs to demonstrate in order to be successful "times" as saying he concerns me. he would have to concern anyone
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who cares about the nation. he also said that president trump was tweeting his office like a reality show. with reckless threats towards other countries that could set the nation quote on the path to world war iii. the "times" asked whether he thought trump was fit for the presidency, corker demured. but he's nevertheless making interesting word choices, saying the president lacks stability and competence. claying that only a thin line of advisers is keeping us from chaos. and that the president is reckless and on a path to world war iii. those sound like the sort of things that you say when making the case that someone is unable to discharge their duties as is specified in the 25th amendment. here's how section 4 reads. quote, whenever the vice president and a majority of either the principle officers of the executive departments transmit to the president pro tem of the senate and the speaker of the house of representatives, their written declaration that the president is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office,
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the vice president shall immediately assume the powers of duties of the office as acting president. i personally don't see a 25th amendment case to be made against the president. at least not now. but my hunch is, that in his responses, senator corker was seeking to start this kind of conversation. and today, coincidentally, the 13 previously planned town halls being held around the country by a group called duty to warn, mental health professionals calling for the president's removal from office under the 25th amendment because they think he's not psychologically fit. the "vanity fair" article also reported that when steve bannan mentioned to president trump that he should be worried about the 25th amendment, the president reportedly replied, what's that? by the end of the week, thanks to bob corker, i think he now knows. the amendment's wording, "unable to discharge" is not defined. i wanted to invite the perfect
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guest to elaborate and explain. have him in brian call, the a law professor at michigan state. the author of "constitutional cliffhangers: a legal guide for presidents and their enemies." what does it mean to be unable to discharge the powers and duties? >> the term is left undefined on purpose. wanted it to be vague and flexible. instead they designated who the decision-makers are, the vice president, the cabinet and if the president contests it, then congress. >> and when you say they, we should make clear, we're not talking about the founding fathers. this is a 1960s initiative. correct me if i'm wrong, professor, intended in a post kennedy assassination world, to make sure that in the nuclear age, we always have a leader. >> exactly. it was passed by congress in 1965, ratified by the states in 1967. in the wake of the kennedy
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assassination. president eisenhower had had some health problems, they wanted to make sure that if the president was physically unable to do the job, there was always someone there to pick up the powers and duties of the office. >> unable to discharge duties might not be defined. but nevertheless, what type of a scenario do you think they had in mind? and do you see any evidence of that today? >> well i think they really had in mind a situation where the president was in a coma, or the president was missing, where he's physically unable to do the job. and not a situation where the president is doing his job very badly. it does leave room for that situation where if the president is mentally sort of losing his marbles, for them to step in. but it doesn't work very well in that situation. and they, they set it up so that
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if that was the situation, that the vice president and the cabinet would have to be absolutely sure that this was going to work. that everyone would agree that the president wouldn't be able to respond. before they, before they did this. because if the president can respond, the president can, can send this to congress. he can say "i'm just fine" and then they need two-thirds in the house, two-thirds in the senate to displace him. and that's sblings more votes than you need to remove the president through impeachment. so they didn't want this to be an end run around impeachment for presidents who can do things, but are just doing them really badly. it's really about when they're incapacitated. >> we've never had a legal coup d'etat attempted here in the united states, right? we've had presidents go under anesthesia and temporarily relinquish the powers and duties of their office, but this has never been pursued.
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if we game it out, if this were to be pursued and the president, a president, were to catch wind of it, nothing would stop him from firing cabinet secretaries who were a part of it, right? >> exactly. that's why it's really for a president who is physically -- again in a coma or something like that. unless they're meeting in secret, if the president gets wind of this, he can fire anyone on the cabinet he wants. he can stack the deck in terms of who the decision-makers are. so it really isn't well suited for this sort of situation. >> additionally, this is playing from the language, the vice president needs to be on board. even if you had cabinet secretaries, maybe theoretically it's the big four cabinet secretaries, should put together such an effort, if the vp doesn't go along with it, it's done. >> exactly if the vice president isn't on board, nothing happens. if there isn't a vice president there, there's no way to do this. but yes, you need to have at a
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minimum, vice president pence on board with this. and vice presidents historically have been very reluctant to move in that direction. even before there was a 25th amendment. they didn't want to be seen as y usurp usurpers. >> hey, professor, stick around. here's something that just came in from my facebook page what do we have? 25then amendment wasn't designed to remove unpopular presidents. if trump survived the challenge it would strengthen him. if he was removed, people would rightly call it a soft coup. john andrews has it right, doesn't he, professor call in. >> yes, i think it's sort of missing the point. because the issue isn't just to remove him because he's unpopular. it would be if they thought he
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was not able to do the job, mentally unfit rather than just making bad decisions. it doesn't really work for that, either. i think it's also important to not use the word removed. because unlike impeachment, where the president is gone, if he's impeached and convicted, with this procedure, the president is only temporarily displaced. and when he comes back and says i'm fine, the vice president and the cabinet either say okay, or it goes to congress and he can keep doing that as many times as he wants. so he's still there. he's still the president. and he's not actually removed. >> thank you, professor, i appreciate your expertise. >> thank you for having me. >> i'll just say to the facebook comment. i'll agree with the second part, that politically speaking, this conversation probably emboldens president trump. the gatherings taking place today under the headline of duty to warn probably strengthen him within his core supporters. still to come, hollywood producer harvey weinstein's
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harass lt and payoffs which led to his ouster has been dominating the headlines all week. after similar allegations about bill o'reilly, roger ailes, bill cosby, could there be unintended consequences that paradoxically make it more difficult for women in the workplace. this piece in the "new york times" caught my eye "unintended consequences of sexual harassment scandals." it reported quote in silicon valley some male investors have declined one-on-one meetings with women or rescheduled them from restaurants to conference rooms, on wall street certain senior men have tried to avoid closed-door meetings with junior women it sounds like with men trying to avoid these situations, women could find themselves with fewer opportunities to earn advancement and enjoy equal status. what can we do about this? joining me is repa rashid,
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co-president for the center for talent innovation, she's been a management consultant for many firms, including time-warner. do you buy into this that one of the unintended consequences might be this chilling effect on the workplace? >> michael, sadly, yes. that's the reality of it. it was bad enough to start off with. some of the data we've tracked over the years showed that 64% of senior men avoid one-on-one contact with women to start off with. they're afraid of sexual innuendo. obviously this will make it worse, not just for the men, but women too, 50% of the women in our studies avoid one-on-one contact with senior men. for that very reason. i have had experiences with working all over the world as a management consultant where when i've been having a drink with a senior colleague coming back to the hotel and people have thought i'm an escort. this is the reality. women are still sexualized in the workplace, until we're seen as equal thinkers innovators, creators, when we're still
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primarily seen as sexual beings, still, it's going to continue and make it worse. >> i was about to say, so give me a scenario here that comes to mind. so you judge did, quite a scenario, in the traveling scenario, for two business colleagues, two men to have the drink of the day. no big deal. establish camaraderie and it spills over into the workplace, but if it's a man and a woman, all of a sudden it's uh-oh, how are we being perceived and is someone going to think i'm the new harvey weinstein of my fortune 500 company? >> precisely. it's even worse when it's a woman of color. i don't know if you want to go down that path. but there's a race component to it. >> how so? >> i don't know if i would have been a white woman if i was in those instances, i was in mexico, i was in singapore when that happened. i was with a caucasian male boss. so there's a race component that makes it worse, the upshot is
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it's always been tough and this is could go in one of two directions, it could go in direction of making it safer because we have more vigilance and smart companies are going to seize upon this to make environments where it's, you can create transparency, you can create safety. can you create a lot of dialogue around this. and stop sexualizing women. >> so if you and i were colleagues, we're not having that drink and we're not going to share a meal. instead we're going to be meeting in the fishbowl inside the office. that hardly seems like the solution. >> that's not necessarily the solution. it's two-fold. it's one that you create environments where you know maybe there are designated restaurants people go to. and people know that you and i are colleagues and working on a project together. that's probably it. they know for years you andvy been working together and you believe in me and i believe in you and together we're going to create something good. that's what we call this dynamic sponsorship and i think the worst outcome of what's going on
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right now in america could be the negative fallout. you vary, rightly point out. >> seems to me it extends not just from upper management positions, like some of the scenarios you may have been describing, all the way down to the summer internship program. where now instead of mentoring, providing some level of tutoring, for a person still in college or graduate school. you'll have a male in upper management think i best not spend too much time with her. >> you know, maybe that's going to happen, there are ways you can ward against that. can you create group-based mentoring and sponsorship. the reality is that women are going to need to be mentored by men, because that's who still holds power. 5% of fortune 500 ceos are men, white men. you're going to need to have access to them to have power. how do you desexualize it?
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there's a generational difference. for every harvey weinstein, there's a judd apatow, who has done it right with lena dunham. we need to showcase the men who are doing it right. >> bottom line, it would be a horrible aftermath of this scandal if there were less opportunities for women in the workplace because of his bad behavior. >> absolutely. i think we see this as an opportunity to break the silence. what has happened is there's been this incredible silence around all of the egregious behaviors that have been going on over the years. why have we been silent? fear of retaliation. fear of the doors of the opportunity closing up to us. that's not good enough. men cannot abdicate their responsibility here, to continue to sponsor the best and the brightest, no matter what they are, regardless of gender, regardless of sexuality. men have, cannot abdicate their responsibilities to creating a better workplace. we're going to go to workplaces
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where we aren't harassed. >> thank you so much for being here. appreciate your expertise. >> thanks for having me, michael. >> my twitter page is hot. let's see what you've got. smerkonish, instead of looking at the behavior, men will use the highlight on sexual harassment to excuse to shy away from hiring women. i mean heather, i see that you're an attorney, that's another potential down side. she is really competent and i'd like to hire her, but somebody is going to think that we're carrying on in a way that we shouldn't. that would be another bad weinstein outcome. one more if we have time for it. they don't know when telling a woman she looks nice could become sexual harassment. says elizabeth. i think that some things that are completely innocent, and perhaps complimentary will as well be reined in as a result of this, and that's not a good thing, either. still to come, how can marketers sell things like mops and washing machines to
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xfinity lets you witness all things me. is president trump achieving an agenda? or just obsessed with up-ending that of his predecessor? that question arose again late this week when he decertified the iran nuclear deal and signed an executive order to cut off the affordable care act's federal subsidies to insurance companies, endangering coverage for many low-income americans. this followed his previous backing out of the paris climate accord. the deregulation of environmental protections, the tightening of immigration law, the rules on campus sexual assault, transgender policies,
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the list goes on and on. his supporters say he's following through on campaign promises. but does it reflect an overall policy vision? or is it just to eradicate any trace of president obama? joining me now is david axelrod, who was chief strategist for obama's presidential campaigns and his senior adviser as president. he's the director of the unit of chicago institute of politics and he hosts cnn's "axe files." david you know barack obama, president obama, better than anyone else. how hard must it be for him to remain on the sidelines and watch this happen? >> you know, i get this question a lot and i get the question about the dismantlement of the obama legacy and i think his reaction is the same as mine, which is it's not about the dismantlement of his legacy. i'm confident that barack obama will go down in history in very positive terms, he left as a popular president, he led the country through an epic economic
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crisis and did some very important things. but i think what disturbs him and what should disturb many is the impact of these decisions. i believe the president thinks that this is chum in the water, fulfilling his campaign promises for his base. i also believe that he is motivated by trying to obliterate the obama legacy. which is in part also chumming the water for his base. but also there's some other thing at play here that i don't have the qualifications to analyze. that clearly motivates him. because every time he talks about anything that president obama did, he talks about it in these very caustic terms, as if he's jealous or envious of the esteem with which obama left office. but the impact of the decisions that would worry obama. and what should worry everyone else. the walking back of the iran
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agreement is not going to make america safer. and his own national security advisers have testified on this fact and on the fact that iran is actually abiding by the terms of this agreement. the steps he's taken with the affordable care act are tragic. because they could lead to the loss of life and certainly the loss of security for millions of americans. so whatever his motivation, the impacts of these decisions are what should worry everyone. not just president obama. but all americans. >> and i guess my question is, do not these things involve core values? because as you well remember, at his final presser, as president, president obama laid out the scenario that he thought would get him back in the game. in fact roll that clip. >> between that normal functioning of politics and
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certain issues or certain moments where i think our core values may be at stake. i think would be something that would merit me speaking out. >> i guess one of the questions in my mind is whether there's a political concern or calculus here on part of president obama where he knows it would suit president trump to have him back out there as a principal an tag nist. because trump would play that to his base. >> i think that's absolutely true, michael and there are a couple of other things. one is that president obama saw how former presidents treated him. they treated him with great respect. because only a president can appreciate what other presidents are dealing with. so they gave him space and he, he is, he is mindful of that. so he doesn't want to be a constant presence in the debate. and then the other element of this is that he believes that other people have to surface.
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that he can't be sort of the spear-carrier on every fight from now to the end of his useful life. that other people have to step up and take up these concerns. but you are absolutely right. i think donald trump would like nothing better than to have a running debate with barack obama over these issues. because that, too, would gin up his base, which seals to be aroused by those kinds of fights. >> 7:00 p.m. tonight on the "axe files" a very special interview with nancy pelosi. question, does she fit the stereotype, the brand i'll put it that way, up close and personal, of her being an effete san francisco liberal when you sit down with her? >> that's certainly the caricature that opponents like it paint of her. but the thing that intrigues me most about nancy pelosi and i hope people will learn something from the discussion we had, i certainly did, was that she at
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the core is the young woman who grew up as a child in baltimore, the daughter of a mayor, a ward politician. you ask her what did you learn about politics growing up. she's very blunt about it. she said, i learned how to count. meaning she knows where to find the votes. and that's why she's so durable. she is a tremendous organizer, a tremendous strategist. she's certainly, i don't think there would have been an affordable care act without nancy pelosi. so this depiction of her as some kind of airy fairy, san francisco liberal is so far from the reality of who she is as a politician. and people have constantly underestimated her because of it. >> we're not going to give it all the way for free. she had a very interesting response to a question that i thought was fair. i would have asked of nancy pelosi, roll that exchange for david axelrod.
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>> just reading between the lines, that given the threats to some of these priorities that you care about that you're not likely to leave before the next presidential election. >> how many men have you asked that question to? >> i haven't had, i'm going to, i would love to have senator mcconnell sitting in that chair. speaker -- >> you know it's really a girl question. >> do you think it is? >> oh yeah, of course i think it is. i think it was part of hillary clinton's election as well. but i do know why i'm there. what my purpose is. what a difference i can make and do i think i'm in indispensable? absolutely not. but-day think i have a responsibility. which i intend to honor. >> i thought it was a fair question. the democratic party, despite the foibles at the top, at the white house, is in pretty sad shape right now when you look at the house, the senate and what's going on in governors' mansions
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and state legislatures all across the country. >> there's no question about that. i was there for the first part of the administration. i was there for the president's re-election in 2012. i bear some responsibility for that. and i'm more than happy to acknowledge that. not necessarily happy many but more than willing to acknowledge that. she, it's interesting, she's very, very sensitive to this notion that somehow she is a detriment to the party as a symbol. when i asked her about that in another part of the interview, she was also very sharp in response. she resents very much the younger member who is are trying to dismiss her. she said i'm grateful to them because they only make my caucus more supportive. i said you don't sound very grateful to me and i don't think she really is. >> 7:00 p.m. tonight. david axelrod, "the axe file." with house minority leader nancy
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pelosi. a lot of tweets coming in. what have we got? smerkonish, did you not watch the speech? this has nothing to do with obama, but more about stopping another north korea/iran situation. brandon if you were to ask me whether the president trump has an ideological core, i would say no, that's not necessarily a bad thing. the only common denominator of everything that he's done in office seems to be that it's the opposite of that which obama did. now his proponents would say yeah, those were all campaign promises. but it just seems like anything you put in front of him and tell him that obama went a different way, he's for. give me another one, what you got? >> smerkonish, trump is still seething over the past correspondents dinner where obama made him appear a fool. i think it was the 2011 white house correspondents association dinner and but for that, you know meatloaf gary busey exchange and how they sold
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believe i had to teach my millennial son or daughter to do -- blank. i'll go first. one of our four extremely bright did his first load of laundry at college and then texted his mother. that she had neglected to tell him to add detergent. i myself have provided instruction on where to write the return address on an envelope. and when i asked radio listeners on my sirius xm program, what their kids didn't know, the call board was swamped. >> my son came home a while back and he said dad, there's something wrong with the car. it will not go over 30 miles per hour and i have to floor it. i said let's take a look. i started it up. i took the hand brake off. and he said what did you just do. >> oh, my gosh. >> i think a good couple hours trying to teach him how to use that phone. i kept asking him. do you hear a dial tone. and he kept asking me, what's a dial tone? >> i'm a retired electrician and
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family and friends and their kids call me. and i go all the way to their house. and it's a lightbulb that's burned out. >> so their kids, my kids are, not alone. "the wall street journal" reports that to target their generation quote, companies such as scott's, home depot, procter & gamble, williams sonoma, west elm and sherwin williams are hosting classes and online tutorials to teach such basic skills as to how to mow the lawn, use a tape measure. a new target customer, the 26-year-old millennial, journal staff reporter ellen byron. ellen, the sing ebl biggest age cohort in the united states today are the 26-year-olds. >> that's right. they, there are more 26-year-olds in the united states right now than any other age group. and that's followed by
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24-year-olds, 27-year-olds, 25-year-olds. >> put that up on the screen so people can appreciate the graph. there it is, it shows. and so it's understandable that the retailers and the manufacturers, they want to have that market share. i thought it was hysterical and sad, that you report that home depot, they actually wondered if we have a video on how to use a tape measure, maybe that's too condescending. >> there was some debate that they might be selling consumers short. but they had data behind this decision. they were looking at the frequency of questions online about subjects exactly like that. and the traffic on the video is doing well. and i heard this from company after company. that there are these questions. consumers are asking young adults, and so they want to be the resource. and hopefully ultimately the store where these young adults buy stuff from. >> something else that you report which is a possible
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explanation. we can put this quote up on the screen. millennials, you say, are different though. especially in the rate at which they achieve independence and adulthood. listen to this, in 2016, just 24% of 25 to 34-year-olds had experienced all four of what the census bureau calls major life milestones, having lived away from parents, having been married. lived with a child and been in the labor force, that compares to the same age group in 1975 when 45% had achieved all of those milestones, that's probably an explanation for what we're discussing, right? >> exactly. there are some fundamental differences between young adults today and what they were a generation, two generations ago. of course that's a result of living through the recession. that's a result of being saddled with huge student loans. but also, it's just a realization that they had fundamentally in some ways, different childhoods than
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previous generations. this is that group of kids who had very scheduled childhoods, doing lots of activities, play dates and really busy parents. many times both parents were working, there wasn't necessarily that opportunity to go back in the garden and get your hands dirty. planting tomatoes. >> i'm so glad you said that. in defense of millennials because i've got four of them, you know, they're busy, they're not malingerers, they're busy doing stuff. just not the kind of stuff i did or you did when we were growing up. great piece, thank you so much for writing it and for being here. >> my pleasure. >> speaking of millennials, my regular viewers and radio listeners know that i've been hammering the media for its role in creating our climate of political polarization for years. well this week i had a unique chance to try to win over some youthful converts. i accepted be a invitation from
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the penn political union and andrea mitchell center for the study of democracy at the university of pennsylvania, to be their first-ever guest to participate in a debate against students we debated a resolution which said this, political polarization in the united states is primarily the product of a hyperpartisan and sensationalist media. i argued in support of the resolution. noting that the rise of a polarized media over the past three decades coincided with the widening divide in washington, and state capitals across the country. coincidence? i think not. my opposition, justin, alana, rebecca, were three smart and articulate speakers, so, too, the moderator, brian. they argue that polarization is a symptom, not a cause. that polarization has always been present and what has changed is the delivery of our news and information. each of us tried to use the sometimes negative influence of social media to our advantage.
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in my closing, i attempted to bring john mccain into my side of the argument. mentioning his name led to a lot of finger-snapping in the audience, which i didn't know how to interpret. as you'll see. >> one person who gets what i've described for you is senator john mccain. you'll recall that recently he returned to the senate after having been diagnosed with -- is that a good or a bad thing? good thing? >> does it take this long for something good to happen? he lamented the change that he had seen in the senate during the course of his career. he said we've become more tribal and he wished that they would get back to win the senate was regarded, as the world's most deliberative body. he said something i want to quote literally. listening to the bomb pasts on the radio and the internet. to hell with them. they don't want anything done
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with the public good. >> our incapacity is their livelihood. >> house and senate as a result. >> in the end, the resolution passed, 37-18. i was pleased with the result but i'm not boasting in victory. after all, among the six different caucuses, the centrists were deadlocked at 4-4. it was a personal defeat. i thought these were my people. it was a wonderful experience. and great fun. the kids are all right. still to come, your best and worst tweets and facebook comments like this one. >> coddled by helicopter parents, parents are even going on job interviews with at my company. you know i know nancy, that's the easy explanation. but i, i really think two
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basis given the record as it now exists. but i want to explore what i see in some of senator corker's comments because i think it was very deliberate that he was trying to we've together this kind of a public conversation. from facebook, this comes in. what is it? we say thank goodness obama didn't invent pens sill lynn. it does seem, keri, does it not if obama is for it, he's against it. he would say that's what i ran on. those were my promises. one more if we've got time via twitter. love how you conservatives trash democratic party when your party has cheated, lied and suppressed votes. you must only have been watching a small snippet of the program. watch the balance of the programs because i don't think the conservative want me as a conservative. see you next week.
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