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overload -- expelling him from the economy, it's the lead story in this morning's los angeles times. more women coming forward with assault allegations. actress just spoke with london police and said weinstein raped her in the 1980s. nypd looking here in new york city. while weinsteen is laying low in rehab his brother is trying to keep it afloat. it may not be possible. the board of directors is bracing for lawsuits from accusers who believe his behavior was covered up. this statement really underscores the gravity of this scandal. the message of shapeful complicity and sexually predator behavior is over. that's what they say. but before looking ahead we have

to look back. entertainers all have soul searching to do. will it be a catalyst for meaningful change? why did it take so many years for these stories to be published? joining me now is the former editor and chief who is now a consulta consultant. what does it feel like in the hollywood universe in the wake of this scandal? >> people are obsessed here but also there's a huge sense of relief. it's a dam that has been holding back clearly a flood waiting to invade the town. so this is -- people are relieved. they are saying it's about time and also truly mystified it took this long for all of this to come out. that includes both media and executives in town. >> tell me about your attempts to break this story years ago.

we heard a lot about legal threats that were made about weinstein's team. >> sure. the hollywood reporter has one of the finest, toughest entertainment journalists who have worked really hard to break this story. when i started one of the first things she ever told me was an off the record conversation she ever had. the question she had said to him over a lunch was he had asked her i believe what do you know about me? she said i heard you raped women before. the whole lunch was off the record. i can't tell you what his response was. from that day it was one of the stories we knew we wanted to get to the bottom of. separately others -- we still have white boards with names of actresses, names of executives trying to figure out how to

crack the silence. we came really close once. >> how recently? >> last year. so one of the actresses who has confirmed she was raped to speak at our women entertainment breakfast. breaking that wall of silence, you can see how powerful it is to get someone to go on the record. we didn't have it. >> so the main thing is women unable to speak on the record. that was partly because of legal threats or settlement payments? >> yes. i think one of the things that was so state of the unioning to me is how relatively small. the highest was around $100,000. for that price they were able to sbie the silence of scores and

scores of women for some times decades. it was really the fear of what he could do to you if you broke that agreement that kept the town in fear. >> we talked about these legal teams and legal settlements. i confirmed david is no longer working directly with weinstein. you have more information? >> yes. charles darter is no longer working with weinstein. it is an interesting pivot where he has gone from media attorneys with an hiring of criminal defense attorneys. he clearly sees he is not winning the moo ya war and he

has a lot of sorting out to do on that end. when you go back and read it let's remember he released that. >> and charles is the leader of a lawsuit who took down gawker. let's take a look. this was talking about prison time. >> weinstein is reportedly going to europe for sex rehab. he needs a specialized facility where there are no women, no contact with the outside world, metal bars and it's a prison. [ applause ] >> given the possibility of

investigations by the police here in new york and london. what about nbc here? that is a clip from snl. but nbc news has been working on this. i remember they asked me about weinstein back in february. i was shocked he was looking into harassment allegations. i know you talked to him while he was working on this as well. he was sewing the whole thing up as far as he related to me. i asked him repeatedly i said it's going to run. i am told right now it is. something obviously went awry.

i believe it will come out in full. it is an organization filled with journalists and many people who i'm assuming touched that decision. i can tell you the power that these attorneys are a menacing group of people. i think just in the experience we saw that and was let go. you know, kim masters went through and wrote about it the other day. she went through the wringer trying to not only get her story to see the light of day but to preserve her reputation. there was an a lot of invention of things that cast doubt on her unfairly that harmed her in the pursuit of the story. >> she was writing this, working on it.

he is now on a leave of absence. that is another one of these after shocks as a result of the weinstein scandal. he tries to report on this. the network denies that comcast owners were involved. takes it to the new yorker and is able to publish the story. is this sort of a success story after many disappointing eras that there is enough diversity that eventually the truth will be published by somebody? >> i think it's hard to call it a success story because i think you can look and see the chilling effect that charles has had on media in the past few years. i think kim said something so

well that in all of her years washington post, vanity fair, lots of different time magazines she had never had one successfully kill a piece. that is true. in this case it was a level of intimidation and fear. you could also think about how all of the first amendment attorneys that work for these outlets, they most often have one obligation which is to protect a company against risk and also -- publishing is not a vibrant industry right now. you have to also look at the companies that -- or the parent companies of media organizations and think how much risk are they willing to absorb against -- you know, i think he doesn't have one backing him as far as i know. in the case you saw what happened when you have billionaires who can outspend the media organization. it's not pretty.

>> this is really unpeeled. it is peel back the curtain of how people try to keep stories from coming out. >> last question real quick. i think what everybody is wondering, are there weinsteins in hollywood? >> yes. there are. probably no one more considered to be in that capacity than weinstein. i would say there are different levels of predators. sure. this is an industry built on powerful men who control almost every aspect of the town. one of the things i said is that techb hollywood reporter does this 100 most powerful women in hollywood list. all of the statistics in this town for the past 20 or 30 years

were unchanged in terms of women in front of the camera, women behind the camera, producers. >> directors. >> yes. >> and let me just state this also, hollywood is not unique in this. the gender problem which is sort of getting -- hopefully we'll be discussed as an outgrowth of all of this is provasive everywhere. look at our house, look at our senate, look at our white house. so hollywood is systematic. >> thank you very much. he remained on trump's latest tweets but his colleague, we'll join it right after this break.

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these next words, this tweet i'm about to show you, these are not to words of a democratic leader. he wrote network news has that licenses must be challenged and if appropriate revoked. not fair to public he says. let's talk about this in depth. you have to talk about what this really means. she is a current commissioner, one of the five commissioners for the federal communications recently reappointed. thanks for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> you're a democratic commissioner. i know you don't see eye to eye with president trump. tell us how it works. they are not giving out to networks. they are giving out to local stations, right? >> right. they are not given out to networks, just local stations. we have about 1,800 of them and they have licenses for eight-year periods. when those licenses are up the

agency assesses those stations and makes sure they have complied with fcc rules and policy and makes sure it has served their community. >> do you look at a station and says it's got to go off the air waves? >> absolutely not. i think all that it does is careful to abide when it engages in any kind of policies involving broadcast licenses. >> is there any precedent for a president saying we should take a look at those licenses? >> you know, i think we have to go back to early 70s when nixon showed some displeasure with stations owned by the washington post. >> yes. >> and some of his allies sought to get those licenses revoked. it was not ultimately successful but that's useful precedent in this case. >> so it is incredibly unusual.

does it worry you that the president is talking about maybe possibly having licenses ve voeked? >> i think the supreme court characterizes as a profound national commitment to having robust and wide open debate. you know, that debate can some times be hard hitting for public officials. it is absolutely essential that we support the first amendment and everything that the fcc does. >> if that's the case where are your other commissioners? why hasn't your chairman spoken out about this? >> i can't speak to what he is thinking. i think it is important for all of the commissioners to make clear that they support the first amendment and that the agency will not revoke a broadcast license simply because the president is dissatisfied with the licensee's coverage. >> how will it go down?

licenses are renewed every eight years. i would call it normally a rubber stamp process. licenses are almost always renewed. so what happened in two years if one of trump's friends decided to challenge a license? is it possible we could see trump's words turn into actions? >> i would hope no. i think we have to honor the first amendment and our democrat democratic norms associated with it. >> and since i have you here a lot of concern about sin claire taking over tribune, trying to buy more tv stations. are you involved? is the fcc reviewing this?

>> i certainly expressed some concern. my concern is primarily this. it would be unprecedented to allow a broadcaster to get this large and reach more than 70% of american households all across the country. i think with that large size we lose something about the quality of broadcasting. i think that's something we should be worried ability. >> thanks. we'll have you back soon. michael cox and tom wheeler, tom was the chairman of the fcc until trump's election. i think jessica is trying to be poe lig p polite to her colleagues. why hasn't she weighed in? >> i wish i knew why she hadn't. it is the silence of the lambs. he is making himself comply sit.

he was saying we are watching and we control your right to be alive and the failure of the narm of the fcc and the other republican commissioners to stand up and say no. we took an oath to protect the constitution and the first amendment and this will not be allowed, that failure is shocking. >> michael, you and tom are both dem kra democrat democratic former commissioners. i suspect a lot of republican former fcc commissioners are just as horrified as trump's. it doesn't stand regardless of party. >> i hope you're right. trump is just not a reliable source when you come to this question. he doesn't understand the role

of the presidency ceaand he doet understand the licensing process. you can't take a license away from nbc. they have 28 owned and operated stations. you have to act against each one of those stations. and they have many many more affiliates. if you don't like nbc programming you would have to take their license away. the fcc wouldn't be doing anything but looking at licenses for the next few years. >> i think trump is grasping at levels of power. hi says maybe we with should have equal time rules? is that your impression as well? he is trying to figure out ways to poke at the media? >> i have a lot of gripes with big journal and less enjournalism and fewer news rooms and all of this con sal

dags. big media helped make this guy president of the united states. billions of dollars of free air time to extend he said i don't know if trump is good for america or no not. >> he said he appreciated the ad revenue then. >> yeah. >> last word to you, tom. >> jessica brought it up, the issue of the sin claire merger. he has gone out of his way to rapidly change all of the fcc rules that could possibly be used to question the validity of that merger of a pro-trump b broadcaster. now when you have trump trying to intimidate other broadcasters there's absolute silence. the interesting question is what went on in the oval office

meeting between donald trump when he was summoned to the oval office that they won't talk about and were any of these kinds of issues. so the american people ought to know that the fcc is standing up for freedom of the press and the american people ought to know whether there is something else going on here to promote protrump broadcasting and be silent on the threatening of others. >> tom, michael, thank you both for being here. those are strong words. he is trying to get him to come on the program again in the future. coming up next, bob talking about news overload. hear from him right after the break.

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welcome back to reliable sources. this is a new book by bob schieffer. you know him from the cbs evening news. he has written a book about news overload. i highly recommend it. at one point he says americans are so overwhelmed by information in the digital era they cannot process it. an interesting point. let's talk about that. he joins me now from washington. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> why did you want to talk on this issue of news overload at this point in time? >> well, i think what's happened here is we are going through

communications that's having as profound an effect. we were just bombarded with news 24 hours a day, seven days a week so much that there's no way any human being could process it let alone kind of sort out what's true, what's false and what is somewhere in between. it just seemed like a fascinating thing to me that maybe we were in the middle of something and didn't realize it. and so that's what i try to unravel in this book. >> and using mobile devices are probably making this worse. it is something we all feel but rarely talk about, the effect of phones on our daily lives. is it really there is more news or more access to the news and that's what's messing with our minds a little bit? >> what's happening is not everybody is a publisher. you had to have a barrel of ink and a printing press. if you have a phone but are you

following the same guideline that is we are used to the legacy media following? and that is before you go to press, before you broadcast, are you checking it out to make sure it's true? in many many cases especially on social media that's simply not true. that's what's making it so hard right now. >> we saw espn suspended this week. so she is on the bench for two weeks. this is a high profile example of news room and media companies trying to grapple with media. they put out new guidelines this week. how do you think journalists should be using this technology? >> i think we should follow the old rules and that's don't publish until you're sure we have done investigating and found out it is true. when in doubt don't publish. some companies follow the

opposite. when in doubt go ahead and publish it and let the readers sort it out. i think we have to have a responsibility for what we put out there on the web. now you have 62, 67% of people saying they got news on facebook. for some people that is their own source of news. in the beginning companies like facebook and google were saying look, we are technology companies. we are not responsible for what we are putting out. now they are coming to alize they have to take some responsibility and they have begun reforms. we are a long way from resolving this problem. the news travels so fast now once it's out there it's almost impossible to take it down. that poor man that owns the pizza parlor here in washington, where there was supposed to be

this operated by health caillar clinton. he came and shot off one of the knobs on the door. >> i did not know that. all these months later he still has security. >> we feel like we wrestle with every week on this program is how seriously to take president trump's tweets. how do you approach it? how much do you care or read into all of the president's words on twitter? >> i'll tell you, all of these attacks on media, at my age i have been called everything from -- >> yeah. >> do a female hygiene product these days. i don't pay much attention to these kinds of stuff. i have been called all kind of names. what i do take seriously is when he tries to destroy the ability of the media. an independent that people can

compare to the government's versions of events. that is what we do that is as crucial to our democracy. i think they are undermining the foundations of our democracy. >> thank you so much for being here. a reminder the new book called overload. check it out. >> thank you. coming up here, a tale of two amendments. has president trump violated the first? and what's all this talk about the 25th. you nervous? ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

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a lot of anti-nbc tweets. he always has a target. his contempt far free press doesn't seem to be contained to twitter. >> it is disgusting the way the press is able to write whatever they want to write. people should look into it. >> disgusting. i thought it did not get enough attention this week. it is an taexample of the powerf the press. remember how we talk bd about the president saying maybe network licenses should be revoked? senator ben sass warned this. he wrote mr. president, are you recanting of the oath you took on january 20th to preserve, protect and the first amendment? some people say yes, he has. let's talk about it with the

executive director and jennifer, trefer make the case here. the president already has violated the first amendment just through his words. >> yeah. i think everybody would agree if trump took government action for stories he didn't like he would be violating the institution. there is a good argument he is already violating the first amendment by making these threats. there is supreme court cases around the country to talk about how it can't threaten our coerce private entities for cases that would otherwise be protected speech. that's exactly what we have here. >> but people over at fox news will take this and say trefer, your triggered. you're overreacting. trump is all bark, no bite. >> actually is courts have actually addressed this question as well.

it doesn't even matter is trump doesn't have the sole power to carry out the threats or if they are empty threats. we have seen trump threaten with lawsuits during the campaign. we know he can issue every it threats. it is still a first amendment issue, whether or not it is likely he will take this action that he is taking. >> great chance to remind folks that it was a year ago those women came forward and he threatened to sue the new york times. a year has passed and there was no lawsuit. legal threats do not mean eel legal action in all cases. let's take a look at president trump in the oval office and i would lielk to hear your reaction, jennifer. >> it is frankly disgusting the way the press is able to write whatever they want to write and people should look into it. >> what was your reaction to that sound bite? >> i was horrified. i'm getting used to being

horrify. he took an oath and that includes the first amendment. him saying that this is disgusting that the press gets to write everything they want -- and i would say they should do something about this. they should be considering in the totality of all of his behavior whether he is in fact unfit to hold office. they haven't demanded any hearings. there is a raft of behavior that americans is no interest in investigating. they are in danger of not upholding their oaths. they took an oath of office and i think in failing to check the president not only in this regard but in other behaviors and conflicts of interest in his -- certainly his firing of the former fbi director, they

are not taking their oaths of office seriously. there is nothing more important than the first amendment. for them to roll their eyes or send a tweet i think really does not hold them in good standing. >> let's look at the 25th amendment, that is a america nichl for removing a president from office. there was a lot around this idea if the last few days. jennifer, are you advocating for that? >> i am advocating this be taken seriously. we have a senator suggesting that the president is not thinking properly. we have seen a lot of behavior that he is unwilling to fulfill his obligation. i think it's time for members of

congress to begin talking to people who see him on a regular basis and for those that take him seriously. i do not want the amendment to be used because we think he is unfit. to the extent to which people are beginning to wonder whether he we is able to understand that, whether he needs -- congress needs to get involved in this. they should talk to people who talk to him on a regular basis. some say they are horrified and shocked by what he has been saying. >> thank you for being here today. >> thanks, brian. up next, inside the investigation, how the reporting happened, how the paper was finally able to expose his wrong

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reporting protecting children, jodi kantor says. she investigated harvey weinstein's behavior. this story published ten days ago by kantor blasted it wide open. it caused him to apologize for some of it and now he may be in rehab. i asked kantor how their story changed as they were working to get it published. >> i think that our view of the story changed when we began to learn about more recent incidents. i think initially one of the

questions we had was, well, there are all of these allegations from the 1990s and people just say, hey, this happened so long ago. i would still argue that that's a worthwhile project and that excavating the history is very key. but especially once we got the internal company documents that illustrate the allegations from the last couple of years, we realized the moral gravity of the story shifted. we said the pattern of the allegations that we now have is a 30-year pattern. how could women woman after woman tell the story and nothing happened and nothing changed. >> was your reporting that started after the roger ailes situation? >> i think it was more of a recognition that we had to try to tell these stories.

certainly informed by the fox reporting but it wasn't like we were ticking off a list. i think it was more us asking the question of, what else do women who have worked for powerful men have to say. >> yes, ailes was a wake-up call to a lot of people that it wasn't just in the '70s and owe 8 ohs but it was happening now. >> if you were a woman at fox, who were you going to report it to, roger ailes? the weinstein story had the same quality. >> so you were getting this story ready for publication. how much did you know about what ronan fa ronan farrow was doing at the same time? >> because he was doing work for nbc and then switched to "the new yorker," we couldn't get a

sense of it. but i congratulated him on his reporting and i found it significant that "the new york times" has published thousands and thousands and thousands of detailed words about the allegations and yet there's been almost no overlap between our journalism. the number of women who were -- who have been in both of our stories, the number of situations that we just reported on is very small. >> wow. >> i'm sorry to say that in a way, but there appear to have been more than enough allegations to go around. >> wow. >> i was worried about not doing justice to the material and the other thing that i have to be honest about, there are sources who say they spoke to us because we were the first female reporters whoever approached them. they said they just wanted to talk to women. >> what will you tell your 11-year-old daughter about this reporting? >> i think i will tell my

11-year-old daughter is that, first of all, i really do believe that the magic of journalism is that you can start out with a hard question and a notebook and a pen and hopefully leave something like this behind you and you can confront somebody really powerful and ask the hard questions and i think one thing that's been fascinating about watching this story come out is that the public was eager for the truth. lots of us have spent lots of time and money watching harvey weinstein's movies over the years. i got a real sense of the public and readers being behind us and wanting to know the truth. and one thing i was also really happy about was seeing how much respect there was for the women stories and i think any woman coming forward in that situation, if you are unknown,

sufficient a fear that you're going to be dragged into the media spotlight. if you're well known you're worried that you'll be tabloid fodder for days. >> jodi, thank you so much. >> my pleasure. >> you can hear the rest of my interview with jodi kantor through itunes or other apps. we're out of time. our coverage keeps going online all the time. we just posted a new story about what happens for harvey weinstein and for hollywood as a whole. that's a reliablesources.com. we sum up the day's media stories for the week. let me know what you thought of today's show. i'll see you right back here next week. you can train yourself to cook with less oil.

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