this is "gps," the global public square. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world, i am fareed zakaria. today, hillary clinton on a special edition of "gps." >> why on earth would we want two nuclear challenges in iran and north korea at the same time? >> president putin's vendettas against hillary clinton herself? >> he wants a weak america, he

wants an america that is divided from within. >> on just what cost her the 2016 race. >> he was running a reality tv campaign and stoking a lot of anxiety and a lot of fear. >> it's going to be a disaster for our country. >> and on her marriage and that time when the whole world was able to watch its worst moments. >> i'm not going to say it was all rainbows and puppy dogs. it's hard. >> also, america is making a new push for coal. why china is going in a whole new direction. a tale of two countries and two very different strategies. but first, here's my take. when running against donald trump, jeb bush made a prediction about his highly unusual rival. he said that trump was a chaos candidate and that he would become a chaos president. bush fed badly in the primaries

but that prediction is remarkably accurate. president trump has thrown grenades in the health care system and with no replacement, strategy or solution. various lists have been compiled on day one of the administration. label china a currency ma membershmanip late for. mostly he was talk without much action. and on september 3rd, he tweeted that the u.s. was considering stopping all trade with any country doing business with north korea. this was obviously a dig at china and massive threat to the global economic system, it would

trigger a seismic recession. they responded this time by saying nothing. they didn't bother to reply. beijing has seemed to understood it's donald trump, don't take it too seriously. perhaps sensing he was increasingly seen as a paper tiger, trump in recent weeks has become much more assertive. while he's still been unable to accomplish much by way of major policy, despite having majorities in both houses of congress, he's become much more aggressive in his rhetoric and executive action. trump has decided to act but not in a strategic manner with a new policy with key allies that

disrupt existing policy without actually replacing it with an alternative framework. the result in health care will be uncertainty, pain and confusion. various groups and gompmenvernm will go to court and people will find it even harder to plan for the future and bank on having access to health care. in foreign policy, the damage might be even greater. the united states is now blasting an international agreement without exiting the agreement. it's taking shots at the fame work and then staying within it, sort of. the result is a foreign policy that is not just unpredictable but incoherent. trump has signaled to countries like north korea never to make a deal with north america because

even if we sign, we might upend the agreement anyway. trump's actions suggest that his administration cannot even stay the course for a few years, let alone 100. donald trump's national security team, the so-called grown-ups, have signed on to this contradictory policy towards iran, which is a sad sign that they value their jobs more than their reputations. republicans used to pride themselves in being the party that was serious about foreign policy, committed to order, continuity and credibility. instead now they have a showman and the result is just what jeb bush predicted, chaos. and let's get started. ♪

it has been 342 days since america voted in the 2016 presidential election. most everybody expected hillary clinton to emerge victorious. although they won the popular vote by a margin of almost 3 million, the electoral votes went to trump. as for the former first lady, former senator, former secretary of state and former presidential candidate, hillary clinton has done a lot of reflecting on the past and looking forward to the future. her book, "what happened," is still a month after publication atop the most read and most sold on amazon. i sat down with her to talk about what happened in the election and also about trump foreign policy, about vladimir putin and his role in the 2016 election and about something deeply personal, her marriage. >> secretary clinton, pleasure

to have you on. >> thank you, fareed. >> donald trump said he wants a new policy towards iran, that the nuclear deal didn't deal with all the other things that iran does, regional behavior, ballistic missiles and that the whole idea here is to put much more pressure on iran that the obama administration policy was a mistake. what do you think of that? >> well, i think it's very dangerous. i think his talk about decertifying compliance against the advice, as i understand, from even the people in his own administration as well as many voices on the outside sends the wrong message for a number of reasons. first of all, it basically says america's word is not good, that even in the absence of evidence that iran is not complying with the iran nuclear deal, that this president is going to upend it. that is bad not just on the merits for this particular

situation but it sends a message across the globe that america's word is not good. we have different presidents and this particular president is, i think, upending the kind of trust and credibility of the united states' position and negotiation that is imperative to maintain. secondly, once again, it gives iran an advantage. if iran is complying, which all of the evidence is, then all of a sudden, instead of working to isolate iran on every issue, we are giving iran the spotlight, the agrieved party spotlight. that makes us look foolish and small and plays right into iranian hands. third point, this nuclear deal was to put a lid on iran's nuclear program, which it has.

that doesn't mean that iran is not engaging in other bad behavior, which i always knew. i began the negotiations on the iran deal. i got the sanctions through the security council as secretary of state. i know that iran plays a game of aggressiveness and undermining of our interests and the interests in the region. there's no argument about that. but my point has been and remains, i would much rather deal with iran's other bad behavior while not worrying at this moment about their nuclear program getting up and going again. and why on earth would we want two nuclear challenges in iran and north korea at the same time? >> what about with that other nuclear power, north korea? trump says, look, let's face it, the policies of the last few administrations haven't worked. the north koreans have raced faster than anyone has imagined to obtain a nuclear weapons

program, intercontinental ballistic missiles. isn't that fair, that the past policy hasn't worked? >> well, just because something hasn't worked as exactly as you want it doesn't mean your first alternative should be threatening military action. it should be learning from what has and hasn't happened in the past and engaging in an intensive diplomatic table that lays on the table the risks, not only from north korea's aggressive behavior with nuclear weapons and its efforts to develop icbms that can reach american territory, but it also is important to say, look, we will now have an arms race, a nuclear arms race in east asia. he with will have the japanese, who are understandably worried of having missiles fly over

them, as the north koreans have done, that they can't count on america. what deeply distressed me like a week, ten days ago is when we saw pictures of secretary tillerson in beijing talking about diplomacy which is exactly what he should be doing and i certainly applauded him for it and then we get a tweet from the president saying, forget about it, rex. they won't do anything. there's only one answer. i find that so disturbing and yet we know that is how this president behaves. so at least in the very recent past, he did seem to be trying to do what a secretary of state should do until he was undercut by his president. i'm hoping that didn't stop him

and others inside our government and maybe trusted advisers outside the government from continuing direct tip employee -- diplomacy, creating war, creating some deterrence is slow, hard going, difficult work. and you can't have impulsive people or ideological people who basically say, well, we're done with you. well, we're not done with their nuclear program. we weren't done with their aggressive behavior. you have north korean officials saying you've lifted the wick of war. they are very dramatic with their rhetoric. and this is playing in to kim jong-un's hands. i mean, the idea that he's going tit for tat with the american president who is tweeting against him and calling him names, that is cat nip to this

guy and we've built him up, give him more legitimacy that he deserves to have given how his people are being treated and i think that's a very short-sided and dangerous route to take. next on "gps," the russia question. in 2011, secretary of state hillary clinton encouraged russians to protest vladimir putin's rule. did putin decide to mess with her election as payback? i'll ask her. go to cnn.com/fareed if you miss a show for a link to my itunes podcast.

i've got to ask you about another world leader. vladimir putin. >> yes. >> you write about him in a remarkably -- it seems like there was bad chemistry from the start. you talked about how he would sit in a way that was almost disrespectful. you call it man spreading. >> right. >> i was wondering whether you've thought about -- because you recount the events that we highlighted in a documentary as well. basically, the arab spring happens in 2011. >> uh-huh. >> he gets nervous about it and then the russian elections and then in december of 2011 you say, when asked -- you come out in favor of democracy in russia. there are many people who believe that vladimir putin decided that you were out to get him. >> uh-huh. >> and that you were trying to do a regime change in moscow and he was going to get you back and that the election interference was payback for that speech. >> well, the intelligence

community has said in its reporting on the russian interference in our election that putin has a grudge against me. i was speaking as a secretary of state. i was speaking on behalf of free and fair elections and democratic process and to have a competitive, political system. now, i was the messenger on that message but putin's campaign against us is much more about american democracy. he has a strong belief that he has spoken about that the collapse of the soviet union was a catastrophe and wants to undermine the atlantic alliance, undermine nato and the european

union because he believes that that will then give russia a real chance to be dominant as far as asia and the united states which he views as his the election because the more we learn about it, the highly sophisticated intelligence analysts tried to sow divisiveness within our country. he wants an america that is divided from within, which is really the only way that anybody will ever take us down if we turn on each other. he was shrewd in his analysis, that i would have been much more willing to stand up and speak out as i had as a senator and as a secretary of state and some familiarity, maybe not

personally but through proxies and trump's mindset and i think he made a smart bet, from his perspective. right at this moment, he's not getting everything that he wants because thankfully, we have checks and balances and trump signed but sent a clear message that you can't mess in our elections, vladimir putin. so he got some of what he was looking for, both with the president who was elected and with the divisiveness that was generated. keep an eye on him. he's not done. what happened is the name of hillary clinton's book. it was also the question on many people's minds in the days and weeks after november 8th, 2016. i'll ask her whether her

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in the book you say at one point that one of your campaign advisers pointed out to you that on the basis of the polling, there were two dominant issues. and i wondered, you've got a lot in here but you carefully and analytically analyzed what may have gone wrong. was the big mistake in a sense of the word, if there was a mistake, that it wasn't just those issues. what trump showed was a series of cultural issues around immigration and race and that these were very passionately felt by a whole group of people, working-class whites, and that in a sense you guys missed that? >> you know, fareed, i talk

about that in the book because there's no doubt in my mind that there was economic anxiety, which we were prepared to address and i believe we did, even though it was hard to break through on the media because we were running a presidential campaign aimed at telling people what they were doing as president and he was running a reality tv campaign and stoking a lot of anxiety and fear. so we had the economic anxiety and, in fact, exit polls show, as i relate in the book, that for people who say economy was their number one issue, they actually voted for me. but from the very first day of the campaign, he tapped into the cultural -- >> to try to deal with the reality that there is this cultural anxiety, is there any way to connect with it without succumbing to prejudice? >> well, i have said, and i really believe this, that i'm not going to give up on the

progress of the last 50 to 60 years in our country. we are a fairer, better nation because we have the civil rights act, because women's rights were recognized and we created more doors of opportunity, that we are treating gay people with respect and giving them their equal rights as citizens. that, you know, when you look at freedom of religion, something that was so critical to our constitution, why are we scapegoating muslims? you know, people who are here in our country, making contributions. so my view on this is it's a terrible mistake for democrats or anybody to walk away from these core values and rights. we have to stand up for them and we have to do a better job, number one, of explaining to people, you are being snookered.

you know what, the real threat to your future is a government that doesn't care about you and is taking actions that will make your life even harder and favoring the wealthy beyond anything we've ever seen before. >> doesn't that distress you that you make that argument, that very cogent argument and he plays with the nfl issue and it's an attempt to -- >> but his numbers are shrinking. the people who are still favorably disposed to him are the hard core of his base. it may be enough to win and worried about getting a bannon-inspired opponent from even the further right so, yeah, it has political consequences within the republican party and we have to do a better job of making it really clear that a lot of what he's doing is to

distract from the very real impacts of actions that he and his government are taking. they are turning back actions, equal pay and that's money out of workers' pockets. they are going after health regulations by opening the door to chemicals and pesticides that the scientific community say, what are you doing? this will affect children's health. we have to do a better job of making it clear what the stakes really are. i can understand why people either don't take him seriously and i said in hi concession speech, give him a chance. but i opened the book with my reaction to his inaugural speech which was dark, divisive, continuing the worst aspects of his campaign. next on "gps," sexism and

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you say something in the book which i thought was very interesting when talking about you as a woman. you say that you thought bill clinton had a good story to tell about his life. >> right. right. >> grew up in this very pof ver shalled circumstances and said obama had a great story to tell and you say your story was okay, it was a nice middle-class upbringing but then you say actually you had a great story to tell about being a woman.

>> right. >> but you say you don't think america is a country yet where telling the story of being a pioneer for women's rights would get you universal applause. why? >> well, because i think sexism and misogyny are indemic and i use bill's story and barack's story to tell how galvanizing, you know, they were because people immediately saw this arc from, you know, poverty in hope, arkansas, from a bi-racial family and how impressive and exciting their stories were. i'm a middle class girl from the middle of the country. so i always struggled with it. what's my story? and it suddenly dawned on me

that i was the beneficiary of these radical changes in, you know, women's rights and opportunities that began in the '60s and continue and that i could have and maybe should have tried harder to tell that story but i quickly add, as you point out, i never thought there would be that is he accereceptive an and i hope what has happened since the election is changing that. i'm seeing thousands of people on my book tour and i've spoken to 10,000 more and i still have much more to do. there seems now to be a willingness by more and more women and girls to claim their rights in a very explicit way. not in an apologetic way. not like, oh, excuse me, let me

express my opinion. no, i have an opinion. i want to tell you what that opinion is. and i'm hoping in the book, the chapter on being a woman in politics, really does further that discussion. because i was appalled at the level of sexism and obviously the behavior of trump, both in the past and during the campaign was kind of exhibit a of what we're up against and there does seem to be a backlash against women speaking out. you see it online as women express an opinion and then are totally deluged. you see it in the media, where women's advancement has gone very far. much further than it certainly seemed at the time when i was coming of age. but there is this pushback now and i think we need -- and not just women but husbands and fathers and daughters and wives, people who care about

fundamental fairness. and in the book i say, look, feminist seems to be like a word nobody wants to use. but that's because it's not appropriately understood. feminism is not about women having more rights. it's about women having equal rights in the workplace, in the politics of a society, in the culture, having the right to be yourself and to be able to express that and to have that both appreciated and providing a platform to go as far as your talent and hard work will take you. >> you lost the white women vote. do you think white women in america voted their race over their gender? >> you know, here's what i say in the book. and there's a tiny little silver lining because i just barely won white college educated women but i lost white women overall. won black women by a very large 94%, won latina women by 68%.

so i won women overall and i lost, you know, white women predominantly noncollege-educated white women. i do think gender has not become a political mobilizing factor, the way that race has and the way that i think president obama almost transcended it and was able to be elected twice. i think that gender is still a challenge in the political arena. now, more and more women are running and more and more women are getting elected at various stages in our political process. i say all the time, as i write in the book, the best way to get sexism out of politics is to get more women into politics. and i am with a new organization that i've started and i'm supporting and helping to fund

groups trying to do just that. so it's not there yet and there are a lot of reasons for that. and honestly, fareed, as i say in the book, i would have won but for jim comey's letter on the 28th. the evidence becomes clearer. and i don't blame any woman who hears the fbi is opening another investigation into hillary clinton for saying, well, i'm not wasting my vote or i can't vote for her or i'm just not going to vote now. for women, their vote is a very personal commitment and they want to be sure they're right and there was, unfortunately, a lot of noise at the end with the comey letter and wikileaks and raised questions in the hearts of women. more with hillary clinton. is there something she would like to do differently if she had the chance to do it all over

again. a very revealing answer when we come back. go to cnn.com/fareed for a link to my itunes podcast.

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twisted by anger, resentment and the answer was always yes so i kept going. you talk about this because you thought it might help other people. >> right. >> my question is, what allowed you to come to that conclusion? did you decide it was worth for giving for the things that happened in the past? is it possible to forget them? do they come up? you know -- >> well, you know, today's actually our 42nd wedding anniversary. we've been together through our entire adult lives and i have -- you know, i feel like i have gained so much, learned so much from my relationship with bill. i've been tested, as you certainly point out. and every marriage is different. i would not in any way tell

somebody what they should do in their marriage faced with disappointment and pain and i could only do the best job i knew to do to try to come to grips with what the feelings were that i had, were they strong enough to maintain a marriage to continue our life together, to make our home a welcoming and joyous place. and i'm not going to say it was all, you know, rainbows and puppy dogs. it's hard. and i think staying in any long marriage is hard for all kinds of reasons that don't have an easy formula to look up and some people -- i have dear friends who have had problems in their marriage and ended their marriage. i've had dear friends who have had problems in their marriage, worked through them and were

glad they did. i fall into that second category. >> do you feel as though when you look back on this whole life, is there something you would do differently? people often look at your career and say, brilliant woman, very well briefed but a little too programmed. if she had only been herself more. do you feel like you had let the real hillary -- >> you know, i've obviously heard that and it always sort of amuses me, actually, because i think i've been the same person. now, i will say this and i say it in the book, i mean, i've cared about the same things ever since i was 21 years old. i've cared about kids, i've cared about families, i've cared about health care and women's rights. i've cared about all of the same things. i have tried to live my life

with integrity and a sense of purpose to it and i've been really privileged to serve in a lot of capacities where i thought the work i did made a lot of difference. having said that, i admit, i was not the most natural politician. stepping out on daniel patrick moynihan's farm when i announced that i was running for the senate in being persuaded i should try it, i was not at all sure it was for me. i'm much easier about doing the job and being a political figure is much harder for me. so i've had to learn as i went, you know, i love serving in the senate. i built great relationships and even friendships and worked across the aisle to get things done for people. i love serving in president obama's cabinet. and here was my former opponent asking me to be his secretary of state.

i left that job with a 69% approval rating. now, when i get into the political arena, it is absolutely true, given the scars i have from the attacks i have been under for so many years, i probably come across as a little too guarded, a little too careful. i talk about, you know, letting my guard down in this book and i wish that maybe i had done more of that, because that might have been easier for people to understand. but i am really mission-focused and that may not be a good fit for the reality tv era of politics we find ourselves in. and you know, that's why, you know, i said, look, i'm going to do everything i can to keep talking about the future, fighting for the future i want. standing up against policies, that i think are bad for america and the world. but i'm going to continue to be myself, the best i can be. >> hillary clinton, pleasure to

have you on. >> thank you. >> now for something completely different. the trump administration said this week, it's bringing back coal, despite admissions from the coal industry that it will nef really come back. and while america is going back to the 19th century, china is moving into the 21st, faster than anyone might have expected. i'll explain.

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>> the war on coal is over. >> that was scott talking about the coal clean power plant.

the story ran on the front page of the new york times and right under it was another story detailing china's massive new investment in electric cars, part of beijing's determination to dominate the era of clean energy technology. it is a tale of two countries and two strategies. the trump administration has decide theed to move into a new century, the 19th century. in 1950, coal accounted for half of all u.s. electricity generation. it is now down to a third. additionally, jobs are disappearing. down to just 50,000 in 2017. machines and software are replacing workers in coal mines just as surely in other industries. and these trends are unlikely to

change despite trump's policy shift. the reason is economics. the price of natural gas plummeted in recent years and the share of electricity generation nearly tripled since 1990. solar cars have also been plummeting. coal-fired power plant are one of the nation's leading source of carbon dioxide emissions and most scientists agree that that leads to global warming. and with the pollution with all of its health care costs. that's one of the reasons why china which has off 1 million deaths a year due to poor air quality, is making investments in clean energy. they are leading in wind turbine and solar panels and urging companies to become cost efficient and global in their aspirations. according to a recent report from the u.n., china invested $78.3 billion in renewable energy in 2016. almost twice as much as the united states.

now beijing is making a push into electric cars, hoping to dominate what it believes will be the transport industry of the future. in 2016, china sold more than twice as many electric cars as in the united states. astonishing for a country who had almost no technologies he just ten years ago. all of this has translated into jobs big league as president trump might say. 3.6 million people are already working in the renewable energy sector in china compared with. 77,000 777,000 in the u.s. donald trump has talked about how china is killing us and how he is tired aboof hearing about china's enviable growth numbers. they are focussing on the future and ensuring it'll be the world's leading producer of clean energy. meanwhile, the united states under donald trump will be

engaged in a futile quest to revive the industries of the past. who do you think will win? for more on this, go to cnn.com/fareed and read my washington post column this week. thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week. i will see you next week. >> hello, everyone. thank you for joining me this sunday. i'm fredricka whitfield. we begin this hour in washington. u.s. secretary of state, rex tillerson, with a broad away of topics on cnn's state of the union with jake tapper. refusing to confirm nor deny calling the president a moron. tillerson saying the u.s. is trying to stay in the iran nuclear deal and the secretary reaffirmed diplomacy is the president's goal with north korea. >> he has made it clear to me