>> it's not a struggle. >> it's unusual to be seen from a candidate for president and now a president. i will say, and the congresswoman clearly has a long-standing relationship with the family. we don't know how this family feels that the fact this is public either. i want to make that point. when i saw her comments last night, it was not initially clear she was listening to the phone call. i don't know how the family feels about this being repeated. this is private and personal. it's the president who treats, to your point, he does not make a distinction. these are members of the ma military, and they are making a tremendous sacrifice and that deserves a level of respect and attention. we are following a lot of

news this morning so let's get right to it. >> good morning, and welcome to your "new day." it's wednesday, october 18th. 8:00 in the east. president trump blasting a florida congresswoman who accused the president of making insensitive remarks to the widow of one of those that lost their lives in niger. the congresswoman said that call was on a speaker phone, and other people were in the car, and he said to the widow that he knew what he signed up for, but i guess that that still hurts. >> and congresswoman fredricka wilson stood by her woods, and she called the president has no sympathy, and the widow believed the president did not know the sergeant's name. all this about the ambush

itself, and so we have all of this covered for you. joe johns is live at the white house. what is going on there this morning, joe? >> reporter: extremely painful conversation we're involved in right now. the president's calls to the families of the fallen soldiers from niger, and the florida congresswoman said she witnessed the president's words bringing to tears the widow of that soldier. he tweets the democratic congresswoman totally fabricated what i said, and i have proof. so far, no word on what proof the president has. and the congresswoman says she stands by her story.

listen. >> this man is a sick man. he's cold-hearted and feels no pity or sympathy for anybody. this is a grieving widow who is six months pregnant. this is a young woman. she's only 24 years old. she weighs maybe 110 pounds. she has two other kids. two years old and six years old. when she hung up the phone, she looked at me and said he didn't even know his name. that's the worst part. >> we have reached out to the white house press office for some clarification on all of this and so far have not heard back from them. we will see the president, we expect to this morning when he meets with members of the senate finance committee, perhaps an opportunity to talk to him then. >> joe, when it comes to the issue of the ambush, the proof that the president should be looking for is what happened and why these lives were lost, but

if he has proof he is being miss characterized, or this is wrong what the congresswoman says, he needs to put it out because he made it an issue. joining us, susan collins. i wish i did not have to discuss what is going on between the president, a congresswoman and the family of a slain soldier, senator. but the president made it relevant. what is your take on this ongoing situation about how the president handled this loss of life? >> first of all, i don't know what was said on the conversation. i have to believe that any president, as commander-in-chief, must feel incredible anguish, pain and compassion when there are deaths of the troops when he is responsible for making the decision to send them into

action. my heart goes out to the families of the four green berets that were killed in niger, as well as all of those service members whose lives have been lost in combat over the past decade. >> look, obviously a big part of respecting the loss of these men and their families is to get answers. let's not forget, that's how this started. the president made the handling of the loss of life an issue in response to questions about why he ignored this ambush. what do we know, senator? what do you think has to be discovered, and soon, about why this loss of life occurred? >> the department of defense has begun an investigation, and that is really needed in this case. the fact that these soldiers were ambushed is -- and that we didn't know it was coming indicates deficiencies or failures in two areas, at least.

one is intelligence that we had, and second is whether or not they were given support enough to make sure they could respond instead of being caught up in a firefight. it's my understanding that investigation is under way at the pentagon. >> especially where this young man is involved, if it's true his body was left behind for over a day, what was it about? why did it happen? this is the largest loss of life on president trump's watch involving an aggressive force killing an american troop, and we are going to stay on the part that matters most because that's how we respect the sacrifice of the men by getting answers on how they lose their lives. and this health care bill, are you okay with the alexander/murray compromise, getting the cost sharing

revenues back basically in some form, and there are some changes as to what president trump took out is being put back, but the flexibility that is given to states, and flexibility is a defining term and could mean something for states like yours. >> i believe the two senators negotiated an excellent package. it's bipartisan and will help stabilize the markets and prevent premiums from going up by average of 20%, which would be extremely harmful, and it would insure that more insurers don't flee the marketplace, providing fewer or no choices for consumers. those are very important provisions. the bill is very careful to maintain protection for people with pre-existing conditions, like asthma or arthritis or

diabetes or cancer. i support the package because otherwise we will see chaos in the markets, and we are also going to see low income people having difficulty in affording out of pocket costs. >> most what you are saying this bill will protect against, it's what the president did, and i get that, and so that's one component. the flexibility and the change in that language, senator, are there any concerns about what that will mean for states and their ability to carve out types of coverage and to create pools that may be good for the young and healthy but not good for the infirm? >> the bill has been carefully drafted to prevent those kinds

of consequences. i would contrast that with the bill brought forward by graham and cassidy that would allow states to eliminate the important protections, but the bill by williams and murray keeps the essentials in place, and gives more flexibility for those that meet those benefits, and there's a copper plan that is available for people up to age 29, and substantially cheaper, and it would still cover the benefits but have a higher deductible. that would be attractive in helping span the pool, and that's what insurance is all about. we have to expanded the pool if we are going to keep premiums down. >> it's one of the things that i

guess was not fully understand by people, the strong do have to give in order the weak and the sick can get the suv ridge thcoi know that makes people uncomfortable. now the big question, will you get a vote on this? >> well that is the big question, indeed. yesterday i would have told you absolutely. it seemed to me everything was going very well, the president, despite in some ways precipitating the crisis had come onboard with the bipartisan approach, but now the white house is sending conflicting me messages -- >> how so? >> they are saying they are not sure they like it or if it's necessary. nobody should buy into the rhetoric that it's a bailout for the big insurance companies. it's not. this money goes to people, to

help the out of pocket costs for the poverty level. it's really disturbing to hear it mischaracterized. now that opposition seems to be arising, i'm not sure what's going to happen. i think we have a duty to act and to act quickly so that we can have an impact before open season starts, which is going to in just a few weeks. >> if that period remains abbreviated as the president wants to do, you have less time. what is your hint of what mcconnell wants to do? >> i am not sure. leader mcconnell gave ample opportunity for lamar alexander to present his plan to the

caucus yesterday but he did not follow-up by an pb tkoeendorsem it, and i am encouraging him to bring the bill to the floor, and if it comes to the floor i think the votes are there. i can't speak for the house. i think the votes will be in both bodies if the president reiterates his support for this short-term proposal. it does not solve all the problems with the aca by any means, but it would give us more time to work on a series of bills to correct the flaws in the law. >> very interesting politics going on with mcconnell and the president, and it would be interesting to see what your party does. thank you for allowing us to vet what's in the bill. we will check back with you when the next step is taken.

>> thank you. president trump taking issue with a florida congresswoman over his words versus her words, what he said to the widow of a fallen soldier. is he politicizing military deaths? we will speak to two gold star family members ahead. ♪

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president trump tweeting this morning about the congresswoman, and he said the congresswoman totally fabricated what i said to the wife of a soldier who died in action, and i have proof. sad. >> i have no reason to lie about the president of the united states with a dead soldier in my community. i have no time. i have no motive. i see him as ned in the first grade reader trying to find something to do, and he has a lot to do. >> let's discuss everything that has to happen today. all of it with cnn political

analyst, maggie. >> i think we will hear more about it because we will all continue talking about it and he will continue to watch television and there's a chance a family member will discuss it. we will see. the family has not been commenting and i am not sure they will now. it will continue on because we know the president is likely to say something about it again. he will respond to the responds to his responses. >> he ignored this for days. i know the white house said they didn't have the information, and this is his way of dealing with that, maggie. this was something that he set up, and now he's got to deal with it. >> he got asked this question about this phone call, and as we

know and discussed earlier in the show, my understanding from a white house official is he was frustrated with the coverage, as he often is, about the fact that he had not made a call and he thought that was unfair to him. many officials are angry at the media in the last two days, and some of them were taken back about what he said about general kelly and general kelly's son and the phone calls there, and the president turned it into something else, why didn't you call? then it came what about obama and all the other presidents? and that's why we are where we are. he takes a question about himself and it's like a sun deflector shield and he pushes it over this way, and then we talk about how people make phone calls. that's why the focus is that phone call. that's why. >> what will happen with health care and the tax plan?

>> if i could say what is going to happen i would be a wealthy woman -- >> that was unusual to hear collins say she thinks the white house is backing away from it. >> there's a sense of that last night, and he talked about this is a nice start and congress needs to come up with a bigger fix where it does not bail out insurance companies. you can read that as the white house backing off or the white house negotiating. not sure which one it is. >> what are you getting from them about how it is a bailout? i know all of this is complicated, and costs are a problem in the aca and there are problems with insurance companies and others, these revenue-sharein revenue-sharing -- it's to help with the poverty families. >> we are not getting much about the bailout, and that's what the president said because that's

why he is pitching it forward as to why he's doing it this way. one is that the president will continue to push to say congress needs to do a broader fix and this would not be the end of it and that's part of why you heard him say what he said, and why there's movement in the reverse direction from the white house. and the president like with daca, and he doesn't want to be responsible for millions of people losing insurance or having skyrocketing premiums, and he will tweet that it's the democrats' fault. >> rex tillerson, secretary of state, all sorts of reporting that the president has soured on

rex tillerson? >> you don't think when he was called a moron -- >> but was the president already saying things like he was not the guy i thought he was, and i don't like that he is using diplomacy with north korea. what is going on there? >> i think a couple things. as always with the white house we hear conflicting things. let me present those to you and people can decide what they want. on the one hand, you -- it is true that basically since that first two months they have not had a great relationship. i spoke to the president at one point during transition and he, you know, was enamored with rex tillerson, and he got this person of stature to play this

incredible role. the relationship never quite clicked. i think tillerson is a different type of person than this president. i think what gets overlooked is how much of the personal chemistry aspect matters to him. we know this from dealing with him in new york. a lot of time it gets broken into a policy -- and sometimes it's that the personalities don't quite mesh. >> we do know this, if the secretary of state stays it will be the first time we have seen this president tolerate a personal insult. >> yes. >> if he believes that tillerson called him an f'ing moron, i don't know if he has the ability to leave him in position.

my twitter feed is alive and well, but it will be the first time we have seen it. >> i think that -- you know, there's an expectation that by the time there's a next recess for congress, the holiday christmas around christmas and new year's rex tillerson will be on the way out. >> you can't boot him at christmas? now that we are saying merry christmas again. merry christmas is back, maggie. >> i think they are concerned about having that kind of change before the trip to asia, which is going to be an extended and important trip. after that i think you may see a change. i don't expect there will be a long lasting stay of the person who may or may not have used the moron word. >> thank you. stick around for this, because she is one of the first public figures to speak out against sexual harassment by a powerful man, annetta hill is

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officially terminated harvey weinstein following dozens of women coming forward to make sexual harassment allegations. anita hill spoke up 25 years ago in 1991. >> after three months of working there he asked me to go out socially with him. what happened next and telling the word about it are the two most difficult things -- experiences of my life. it's only after a great deal of a number of sleepness nights that i am able to talk of these unpleasant matters. >> anita hill joins us now. thank you so much for being here. >> it's a pleasure to be on the

show. >> i want to go back to that day in october in 1991, because i think that so much of the company was gripped by your testimony. i know i was. i was a young reporter, three years out of college, and i was at one of my first tv jobs. all of us, when you were testifying, we would crowd into the conference room to watch you. this was men, women -- i mean, all of us were riveted. it felt like something was changing. it felt like because of your testimony something was going to change, and even afterwards it felt like there was more awareness and i was curious of how it felt from where you were sitting back then. >> from where i was sitting, it was agonizing, of course. i had no idea during the testimony what would happen afterwards, what would happen to me or what would happen to the public in general and our

understanding of the sexual hara harassment. >> fast-forward 26 years, and here we are with the harvey weinstein scandal, what has it been like for you to watch women come forward and watch this unfold? >> the details are clearly shocking. but the behavior itself is not surprising because i have heard from women, thousands of them over the past 26 years about behavior of this kind that they have ev endured. i have to give the media credit because you stuck with the story and you moved beyond the old questions like why don't women come forward or why didn't they speak up sooner? i think by digging deeper we have gotten to the bottom of that question and gotten answers that it's dangerous to actually

come forward, even today. but we have also gotten to questions about how this kind of behavior can be sustained over three decades, and those are going to be important questions as we move forward, and especially if we transfer that information to what is happening, not just in hollywood, but to women all over the country. >> what is the answer to that, professor? how is it possible one powerful man can victimize scores of women over decades? >> well, in the case of harvey weinstein, he had included in his contract with the weinstein company, i understand, a cause that allowed for him to sort of pay his way out through settlements if there were sexual harassment complaints against him. in addition, when those

settlements were entered into, the women were kept from talking about them. so he was limiting his exposure through contract clauses. there were also problems with the board's oversight of his behavior. they seem to have turned a blind eye to what were some real red flags, and refuse, actually, to hold mr. weinstein accountable for what was going on. so there was a whole system, and there were people who were enab enablers and complicit themselves, and money and power involved. >> as there so often is money and power involved. it's interesting to see how different powerful men faired against these accusations.

obviously clarence thomas is a supreme court justice, and trump when the access hollywood tape came out, and many thought that would be the end but he was elected president. and harvey weinstein in short order has been terminated, and roger ailes who will after accusations he was ousted from fox news. where do you think we are today with scenarios like this? >> well, as you stated before, awareness has been raised. clearly we have not held everybody accountable. we don't have any real way to think about this when we have these public figures, how do we hold each of them accountable. the public in donald trump's case voted, and so it was an election. in politics, i think it's very

different than in business. the laws really do deal with what goes on in the workplace. the anti-discrimination laws that people bring harassment claims under deal only with the workplace and they do not deal with politics. that's one distinction i think we need to take into account when we talk about how people escape. but i would also say that the way you define escape is important, too, because donald trump is still scrutinized for his "access hollywood" comments, and i believe so is clarence thomas, even though he sits on the supreme court. >> professor anita hill, it's great to talk to you. i know you thought you would talk about it just after 1991 to bring awareness, but here we are still talking about it and we appreciate you being part of

this conversation. >> can i just say one more thing, though? >> sure. >> i think we have to ask ourselves in this moment, how far have we come to equality? how close are we, if, in fact, women are having to endure this kind of behavior in the day-to-day lives in the workplace and on the streets, and if we ask ourself that question, we need to also ask today for our leadership, whether it's in the public or private sector to step up and tell us what they are going to do to stop the problem. >> that is the next chapter of this conversation because obviously -- >> i hope we get to it soon. >> me, too. we have been trying to ask our leaders about that as well. anita hill, thank you very much for being on "new day." >> thank you. chris? >> an interesting twist, the president had been ignoring is

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taking on a florida congresswoman saying he fabricated his remarks to the widow of a fallen soldier. what are those phone calls like days after your loved ones are killed in action? our guests know too well. thanks to both of you for being here and thank you so much for the sacrifice to our country. >> thank you, alisyn. >> thank you for having us. >> craig, i will start with you. i don't know if you have been following everything that has happened over the past 24 hours with president trump claiming that it's hard to call the families, obviously, we know that, and that he doesn't think that many of his predecessors did it, and we know that's not true, and saying to the widow of sergeant johnson, well, that's what he signed up for but i know

it still must hurt. what you have been thinking as you listen to all of this play out? >> well, first of all, my experience, both with president obama and president trump have been very positive. president obama reach out to us via a letter. it was a very nice letter. it was basically a letter of condolence. my wife and i, we cherish that leader. as far as president trump is concerned, i believe that he has a very, very good heart as far as gold star families is concerned. we invited us to the white house just recently and spent actually several hours with us, and had a candlelight service in memory of all of our sons, and there were 50 families there from throughout the united states. my experience with both of our presidents have been very positive. >> craig, that is so good to hear. that's so good to hear from your

personal perspective. i know when you met with president trump part of it was designed so he could better learn to reach out to gold star families. during the campaign he got a lot of criticism for criticizing a gold star family, and the white house was trying to make an overture to figure out how he could do it better. in the past 48 hours, do you think he has gotten it right? >> i believe that president trump is doing a lot of good things as far as gold star families is concerned. my perception of this story is that his words are basically being taken and misconstrued. i believe that if you interviewed him personally one-on-one you would find that he's very, very empathetic and compassionate, not only toward gold star families but also in regards to our active duty, i

believe he has an big heart for them as well. >> what has it been like for you to have gold star families and all of your issues and these terribly sensitive phone calls thrusts into the lime line in the past 48 hours? >> well, you know, my experience has been similar. after my brother was killed in 2007 we did receive a phone call from president bush with an invitation to visit him in the oval office, which we did six months after travis was killed. similarly when the obama administration was there, we were invited on a few different occasions with other gold star families to be present at memorial day breakfast and such. at the end of the day what we have to look at is the idea of politicizing gold star families. i know i have had several people over the last 24 hours ask me if i was called by the president when travis was killed, and

asked me if i know people that were called by president obama when their loved ones were killed because through my work i deal with a lot of gold star families, and the fact of the matter is gold star families are not talking to each other about whether or not the president called. what is important to gold star families is to make sure their loved one's service and legacy is remembered. i think that's the bigger story here. we need to make sure that we stop talking about who is calling our gold star families and we start talking about these gold star families and what they represent to this country and we start sharing their loved ones' stories. >> what do you want people to know? in some ways the silver lining of the sometimes uncomfortable conversations is it brings attention to the cause you want highlighted, so what do you want us to take away and what should

we know about the gold star families? >> i have the incredible privilege to work with gold star families at the foundation, and what i see each day is the resilient see of these families. they do not want just their loved ones names to be remembered. they want to get out there and honor them themselves, and we see tremendous growth and strength happen with these families. i travelled this past january to guatemala with 20 others of the fallen and we built a house for a homeless family there, and we were there together continuing our loved ones' service, and we were making sure their legacy moved on by being in service to others. >> craig, what do you want us to know? >> i am in complete agreement with ryan. our goal and focus as gold star families is to support each other, to strengthen each other,

and to help our veterans and those who are serving, for example, i opened a restaurant and named it after my son. our mission is to not just serve great food every day and our mission is to reach out to the veteran community and those serving. this friday night i will serve a free meal at the uso on tampa, and on thanksgiving day, we and my team and other gold star families we will serve families at my restaurant for free and on christmas day. that's our focus. we want to stay positive, and we want to just remind people that we are doing this to keep the names of our sons going. there's a saying that the only soldier that really ever dies is the soldier's whose name is

forgotten, and we do not want their names forgotten and we will do everything we can to keep their legacy going. >> your son's name was frank, and your brother's name was travis, and we thank you for your incredibly inspiring messages and all you do in your community and for the sacrifices your family members made to our country. thank you for being here. >> thanks. the security guard shot by the las vegas murderer is breaking his silence right now. you will want to hear him describe the moment he realized he had been hit next.

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my pant leg up and i saw blood and that's when i called it in on my radio that shots had been fired. >> that's an interesting setting, going on "ellen" to tell your story. >> he's so important on so many different levels. one, his story of survival and getting involved with something so dangerous. he's a security guard, not a s.w.a.t. team member. >> yeah. >> and for the timeline, it matters also, how things happened and what it meant to the overall operation. >> the timeline changed. >> yeah, and it's in dispute. and lots of people still in the hospital. >> 20 people still in the hospital. cnn "newsroom" with poppy harlow and john berman will pick up. there's big news right after the break.

good morning, everyone. i am poppy harlow. >> i am john berman. we want you to remember two things this morning, four americans were killed serving their country and four families are grieving this morning. remember that. remember them. amid the new developments in a controversy that is beyond uncomfortable, it's flat out unseemly. today president trump is