out safely. people you don't know care about you. it's kind of one of those things where you can't even thank somebody. to protect what you love, call 1-800-adt-cares details in a moment. the president publically contradicts the widow of a fallen soldier. and the white house admits it scrambled to send condolence letters for the families of fallen service members after the president stated he contacted virtually everyone. these are the president's battles on a monday, all battles of his own making. we begin with myeisha johnson, the widow of sergeant la david johnson, one of four soldiers killed in niger. today she spoke about the president's conversation with her in an interview. >> the president said that he knew what he signed up for, but it hurts anyways. and it made me cry because i was

very angry at the tone of his voice. and how he said it. he couldn't remember my husband name. the only way her name my husband name because he told me he had my husband report in front of him. that's when he actually said la david. i heard him stumbling on trying to remember my husband name. and that's what hurt me the most because if my husband is out here fighting for our country and he risked his life for our country, why can't you remember his name? and that what made me upset and cry even more because my husband was an awesome soldier. >> sara murray joins me from the white house. the president didn't waste any time responding to the comments this morning. >> reporter: that's right anderson, and for many it was a perplex ing response because president trump decided to dispute is account from a grieving widow. he tweeted i had a very

respectful conversation with the widow of sergeant johnson and soak his name from beginning without hesitation. it is worth noting we had a number of occasions to question the president about this incident today. he wouldn't engage about what happened in niger, what went wrong but also whether he regretted the fact that he left myeshia johnson feeling upset at the result of that phone call, anderson. >> there's also reporting on the white house's efforts to expedite the letters to families of the fallen service members. >> reporter: that's right. they did confirm they made an effort to expedite these letters. they said they looked into it and they discovered there were bureaucratic reasons that the letters hadn't been sent out. they said they cut through the red tape and tried to expedite those. not a lot of detail what was holding these up in the first place. >> senator john mccain took a swipe at the president without actually mentioning the president's name, this time referring to his deferment from

serving in the vietnam war. >> he was speaking in a vietnam war documentary and he was talking about the difference between higher income individuals and lower income individuals, and he was lamenting about the fact that at napoint, we seemed at that point in the vietnam war to draft from the lower income tier of america. if you were in this hire level, if you were better off in stature, you could go to any doctor and they would write you a letter for something, for instance, a bone spur that might allow you to avoid the draft. and a bone spur just so happens to be what president trump, before he was president, used to avoid the draft. he had a number of draft deferments. john mccain, not one hesitant to criticize the president, but he said he was trying to make a broader point that the burdens of war are not necessarily shared evenly across american society, and certainly that's true now. >> sara murray, appreciate it. thank you. a lot to talk about with the panel. joining me is kirsten powers,

scott jennings, the president responding to mrs. johnson today, for instance, all of this really goes back to -- none of this would be part of the discussion if the president had not avoided answering questions about niger last week by praising himself for response to the families of the fallen soldiers and go ing after former presidents. >> there's been so many opportunities for him to dial this back. i think he has chosen to keep -- he obviously wants to be in an argument with this woman, which is really shameful considering this is the worst moment in her life. she's very young, 24 years old. this is someone who's already suffering a lot and she has the president of the united states calling her a liar on top of everything else. look, i've said this before. i'm sure he did the best he could in the call and she experienced it differently. even if she wasn't telling the truth, i think she is, but even if she wasn't, in this situation you rise above it and you be the person who comforts her and

steps back, not to continue to argue with her in a public way. >> does it make sense to continue this? >> i was on cnn the night this story broke. when this congresswoman made this allegation against trump. and the headline on cnn was, you know, that -- that -- the point that he knew what he was getting into. i thought it was strange at the time. you know, why would the president say something like that? and i suspected that what he was saying is that what makes him even more courageous and more heroic is that these servicemen -- it's obvious >> which is what john kelly came forward and said. >> it's obvious that's what he meant. and this congresswoman who hates donald trump turned around press and said he was the demeaning the soldier somehow, and i think the whole story is unfair. it's been a week of of this story going on. maybe it should have halted this back and forth, but it seems pretty unfair. this congresswoman called donald trump a white supremacist for

goodness sakes. by the way, we've never actually heard the tape, you know, of what was -- of what that conversation, how it went. >> there's no tape. >> exactly, so we don't know. >> it's not just the congressman, it's also the widow herself who has backed up everything the congresswoman said. whether you think the congresswoman should have rushed onto television, that's a fine point, but i think to your larger point, two people can have a conversation and interpret things differently and i think that's the point kelly made and you made. >> why would the congresswoman run to the press? because she was trying to embarrass donald trump. >> he's a 70-year-old man and she's a 24-year-old woman who just lost her husband. who should be the bigger person in this situations? >> trump should have been the one to walk away from this. if we learned anything, when his ego is threatened, everything is on the table, nothing is off limits, even a gold star family. people said he didn't recognize the soldier's name correctly, and then it was on.

donald trump has to make a choice. he can continue to try to win these personality-driven arguments, or he can be a successful president. you can't have both. you can't continue the to waste news cycle after news cycle on stories that are self-inflicted and also be a successful president. that said, you know, democrats are running around right now, tom sayer is talking about impeachment. you can't impeach the president for being a jerk. you really can't. so i feel like we're at an impasse where nobody is getting on the rails. the congresswoman is out saying she's a rock star. she made a mistake there. she's comparing this to benghazi, that's a mistake. i don't know who's guiding people in the right direction here. everyone is spiraling out of control. they should just shut up and thank the soldiers. >> she's made a number of mistakes here, running to the press, making comments about benghazi, calling the president and all his white house staffers white

supremacists. this proves the point that she's grinding a political ax. the way out eventually is the same as it was on day one, and that's to say if you took anything i said in a bad way, i apologize. please know you have the thanks of a grateful nation. that's the answer seven days ago, it's the answer today, and it's the answer tomorrow. i'm hoping his lack of engagement with the press today is a harbinger of things to come. >> he's never said he's sorry about something. >> this is about an abhorrent present of the united states who behaves consistently in an abhorrent way, whether it's about the russia investigation, whether it's about the legitimate powers of the congress of the united states, he behaves in an aberrant way that is beneath the dignity of the office.

scott, you hear this too from republicans all over washington that we doubt his stability in these moments. this is one story. it's one story with this poor widow who has been savaged by the president of the united states. the president of the united -- >> how has she been savaged? >> the president of the united states going nuclear in public about a woman who has lost her husband? that is aberrant. what we see consistently in this presidency from january 20th to now is one aberrant act after another and lying. and so it all comes together as a piece. and that's a story that we as journalists and politicians also have to confront. what holds these dots together in this aberrant behavior? >> michael, you're not surprised by this? >> not at all. when you asked if he ever apologized for something, in his private life he may have. he's hurt a lot of people in his

private life. i can't imagine he's never apologized. in his public life, i found no record that he ever apologized. he spoiled the investment of thousands of people who invested in his casinos. he's lambasted people who never deserved it, ridiculed them. in one case after another, he just moved onto the next thing. he also has this habit, and i think this is what gets him in trouble. he says an outrageous thing and then tries to maneuver and manipulate in order to prove it true. so he can make a claim about the profitability of his companies and hand you a document that purports to show it's profitable and all is well. but in this case it's hard for him to be president, act this way, have there be multiple

witnesses to his behavior, and claim that it never happened. >> can i say something? we complain -- i complain a lot -- we all complain a lot about the president being a jerk essentially. there's no recourse for that. we can say, he can't continue being president, yes, he will. he will continue being president, at least until the next election. and if there's no good democratic opposition, another four years. and so when you keep saying this doesn't work for him, it does work for him, and there's more incentive than ever for republicans to go along with it. i think people should go and read steve bannon's speech to the republican party this weekend because the whole theme of it was winning begets winning. win at all costs. it is the only thing that matters. it's a insightful speech. >> the president is going to run against a democrat at some point again. it's not all about a primary and pleasing the republicans in your base. >> i agree with that.

>> so then it isn't just about winning the news cycle. the american people want him to win for the nation. >> no, this is a growing movement at the republican party, fight on everything and all terms. it's not just going to be donald trump in 2020. it will be more republicans who have this attitude that we are going to fight on anything all the time. it's going to be no holds barred. if you think it's going to backfire, you need to read 2016. everyone does. >> look at people that say i have a friend of donald trump's, i have admiration for him, i don't think his aberrant. but look, sometimes he has a fast trigger. and with john mccain, what's going on with john mccain, because i think that's almost the bigger story here about this feud that's going on between mccain and trump. the republicans have to get a tax cut passed. to get that tax cut passed they're probably going to need john mccain's vote. so they better -- >> i want to talk more about john mccain, what's going on with that.

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as we've been reporting, the president got five deferments that helped him avoid serving in vietnam. including a deferment for bone

spurs. it's a topic now because senator john mccain talked about about it. michael d'antonio heard about the bone spurs in 2014. here's some audio from the conversation. >> you did have a medical deferment? >> feet. >> what was it for? >> the medical deferment is feet. >> what was going on with your feet? >> i have bone spurs at the back of my feet which at the time prevented me from walking long distances. >> so you couldn't march? >> it would be very difficult to march long distances, very healthy, but -- in the back, in fact, you can see it, it's here, you can see it on both feet. i have spurs. >> that's a real thing. and a lot of people got medical deferments. i got a deferment, not an out, but i got a deferment. >> michael, he had actually talked publicly about having a high draft number previously. >> right, so that was the major point that he wanted to make in

the rest of the interview was that he had this high draft number, so maybe the feet didn't matter. and i shouldn't take that too seriously. we actually talked about the draft number. these become very tortured conversations. i used to be exasperated because one hour with donald trump is followed by ten hours of fact checking. we finally got to the point that he agreed the draft matter didn't matter, that he was no longer eligible for the lottery when they began it in 1969, and he was out of -- out of any potential -- but yet he went back to it and a year later he's on a campaign trail talking about this draft number. i think it's a story that the best to him. and allowed him to be somewhat in the mainstream and not to have sought deferment. >> which gets us to your point about john mccain. what is john mccain doing?

this is now second time he's referenced the president not by name, he gave that speech last week. >> what goes around comes around. it's much deeper than that. >> if what we're seeing here is confirmation of donald trump, the president of the united states, who has never had a record of consistent honesty in his life. that too is a fact that holds together so many things, the russia investigation, the widow, what he says publicly day after day, which everyone in the press room, including his press secretary knows are lies. >> i think this is the difference between -- >> but it's really important to go back to basics because every day we have a kind of new standard that gets lower and lower in which we hold the president to less and less accountability. he lies day in and day out. that's what senator mccain is talking about, as well as what you're talking about michael.

>> i would say that's a journalistic approach to what donald trump said on the tape. what donald trump would say to the donald trump he's campaigning against is show me you're feet. you're lying about the bone spurs on your feet. like he did with barack obama and the birth certificate. we can say he's lying, but donald trump, the way he campaigns and wins, he's going to frame the arguments in ways that we can't predict and we think are off color and weird. but that's how donald trump would handle someone else saying they didn't go to vietnam because of bone spurs on their feet. he would ask for proof. >> all we can do, as journalists and decent politicians is to put out there what the facts are and it's time for politicians to say we will not have a liar in the white house who lies. >> he lied about bone spurs on

>> then how can you say he's lying? >> >> what michael just said about the draft, i know what he just said about the draft dates. he's a man who lies with impunity and without thinking about the lies. >> do you think the president says things that are lies? >> no i don't think he lies. i think -- the point i was getting at what i said what goes around comes around is this feud that's been going on for over a year with mccain and it goes back to when trump attacked mccain unfairly. look, i think john mccain is one of the greatest american heroes. i don't always agree with him political. it was probably from his own political standpoint a dumb thing to do. the point i was making earlier, he has to work with john mccain. and now it's gotten personal and ugly between the two.

>> on behalf of the republican agenda if i may, number once, we know john mccain has a history of voting against tax cuts proposed by republican presidents. that's a problem. we know mccain and trump have a history of fighting with each other in a very nasty, personal way. number three, we know the 52-seat majority has be unreliable in passing the trump agenda. number four, we know john mccain cast the deciding vote to seek the most recent key vote. so we know all these things about the republican agenda which make this feud concerning. the bone spurs, the thing is interesting, but if you're someone who cares about the republican party keeping its promises to the american people, this feud between these two guys is extraordinarily concerning. >> steve, i just got to come back, though. do you really not believe president lies just regularly? lies i guess means he knows what he's saying is not true. but even just last week saying about his calling all the families. now the white house has to play catch up on that.

>> i think he exaggerates. i think the american people kind of understand that he's exaggerating. it drives the press crazy. you made this point earlier about the fact he acts like auto jerk. >> when he has private investigators in hawaii. >> let me tell you about him being a jerk. this is one of the things i tell people about donald trump. i've been around politicians my entire life. 98% of politicians are jerks in private, wonderful people in public. trump is the opposite. he is an incredibly sweet and gracious person in private, and in public sometimes he does act like a jerk, and that's very different than most politicians. >> it's a shame most people won't meet him privately. >> if they did, they would know what i mean. the president's latest move on the russia probe is raising flags. he's offered to pay his staffers' legal fees. witnesses in the potential case against him, we'll get into that next. hi, i'm the internet! you know what's difficult?

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my abwill i have pain andating made daibloating today?ing game. my doctor recommended ibgard to manage my ibs. take control. ask your doctor about nonprescription ibgard. as the russia probe continues in congress with the special counsel, president trump has reportedly pledged half a million dollars to cover his staffers' legal fees. the trouble is that most of them would be considered witnesses and it would be highly unusual in almost anyway case for the man on trial to pay for the lawyers of those potentially testifying against him. back with the panel, and matt lewis joins us as well. scott, i know you worked in the white house. is this kind of a whole can of worms? >> there's a lot going on because most staffers, i'm sure, are surprised to find out when an investigation starts the white house counsel doesn't represent you. you have to get your own lawyer. speaking from personal experience, you can easily rack up legal fees in six figures.

you may merely be a witness, haven't committed any crime, but interviewing with the special counsel, congressional committees, talking to the white house counsel, and then if the democrats were to take control of a chamber, that ratchets it up. you can easily get into the six figures. given the number of people who are likely to get interviewed, i think $430,000 is a collective drop in the bucket. staff cannot accept pro bono legal help while they are working at the white house. so these lawyers do have to be paid. i think it's a good gesture of loyalty by the president. >> i would warn them because there's a guy that was promised $25,000 who finally did get it today. this is a pattern. donald trump two years ago in iowa when he was having a rally advised his crowd, knock the crap out of them. i promise you, i'll pay the legal fees. there was a guy in north carolina who actually took him up on it, sucker punched somebody, a protester at a rally. donald trump swore, i never said that. i never said i was going to pay his legal fees. >> but he never lies. >> this is a suggestion of hush

money. let's go back to basics. you cannot be under investigation for possible obstruction of justice. you're the president of the united states and you are saying to those who are also may or may not be under investigation i'm going to give you money for your legal bills? it is unacceptable. it goes back to the conduct of someone who has no regard for the law, for protocol, for precedent. >> does he know that? and he's just raising it because it's kind of a morale booster, but there's no intention? >> i spoke to a white house counsel about whether this is permissible. he said it's legally murky but you could make an argument for it. and i said, well, if you were the white house counsel, would you advise it? he said he would not advise it. >> at a minimum it's unethical. >> it's loyal. my reaction to this is this is an act of loyalty of

a president who's standing up for the people who served him. >> but it's unethical. >> i'm not a lawyer, but i'm saying if i served in the white house and i was under investigation for my service to the president and the president said i'm going to help pay your legal bills, i would think he's being honest. >> i'm trying to say it's unethical and most ethicists would you agree with that statement. >> let her finish. >> forget it. >> just go on. >> i would say two points. we're missing the real scandal which is $430,000 of rnc money is being used to defend donald trump and donald trump jr. that's where $430,000 went that donald trump is now offering to pony up his own money for. so every time they said send us three or four dollars for the board walls, that's number one. at the time the rnc wrote this e-mail, send us to fund the border wall, you are paying

trump's legal bills. we would have never been able to connect the dots between water great break in and the white house cover up and the fact that there were tapes. that would have been missing. being paid off from the president is a recipe to be the fall guy. >> you're saying without a doubt it's unethical. >> it is. every time i say it's unethical you interrupt me to scream about loyalty. so it's like, why don't you address the fact that it's unethical. and the fact if you're being honest about it, this is somebody who's trying to coerce people into testifying in a certain way. it's obvious what he's doing. this is not a ma >> my point was that -- >> let him respond. >> my point is i'm not a lawyer. i don't know, you might be right that this is legally unethical and he's not able to do it. my point was that i think it's a very loyal thing to do is-to-stand up for the people who stood up for you. >> this is a president who -- loyalty is not something this president -- >> you can't it both ways.

you can't say he's not loyal. >> but trying to control their lawyer to give them legal advice when it's an investigation into the president, the president's lawyers are not going to have the staffers' best interest in mind. their biggest client is the president. so it might seem nice, but it's probably the worst thing that these aides could do. >> also loyalty would not go out and justify my actions for me on television i'm going to undercut at you next day by saying what you said is not true. >> our whole discussion for the last hour is really fascinating. because what unites every question is about what's right and wrong. basic right and one. and one time after another, this president acts abrently and chooses wrong. he chooses wrong over right that children most often know. this is extraordinary. >> i think it's a bad idea, but i am worried about the brain drain and what happens when

staffers are basically -- you get the memo, if you go to work in the white house, you could end up bankrupt. >> that's a really good question. it has nothing to do with the right and wrong question here. we need to have a way that people can defend themselves pro bono, all kinds of ways, you can even start a pac. go ahead, go that way, but the president of the united states, the same president who pardoned somebody in arizona and suggests to others that through that pardon, you might get pardoned in the russia matter as well. this is all a piece. the dots keep getting connected. we have to take another break. coming up, secret payout by bill o'reilly by another accuser is made public. a huge secret buyout. fox news signed him to a new contract right after this was settled. he's back with heated words. he's not denying the actual payout. details on the scandal when we continue. where are we? about to see progressive's new home quote explorer. where you can compare multiple quote options online and choose what's right for you. woah. flo and jamie here to see hqx.

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former fox news anchor bill o'reilly is trying to fight back once again after a stunning report in the "new york times." according to the "times" back in january, o'reilly secretly paid $32 million to stop former fox news legal analyst lis wiehl from suing him for sexual harassment. of all the settlement payments, involving on o'reilly and anyone else at fox news, this is largest by far. just weeks after the deal,

o'reilly got a four-year extension on his contract for $25 million a year. then weeks later with all the allegations against him from several women, advertisers fled and o'reilly was booted from fox news. o'reilly is firing back after this latest revelation claiming he is the victim. here's what he told "the new york times." >> this is horrible. it's horrible what i went through. horrible what my family went through. this is crap. and you know it. it's politically and financially motivated. and we can prove it with shocking information. but i'm not going to sit there in a courtroom for a year and a half and let my kids get beaten up every single day of their lives by a tabloid press who would sit there, and you know it. >> back now with the panel. also joining the conversation is cnn's brian stelter who's been covering this story. kirsten, i want to start with you. you worked at fox. you complained about statements he had made. >> i never had any -- bill o'reilly never propositioned me or anything like that, and i worked with him a lot. i had an overall good

relationship with him except for we had some incidents sort of early on where he said some things to me that i thought were sexist. and i complained to roger ailes -- well first i complained to his executive producer and was basically told he wasn't going to stop doing it, so i stopped doing his show for a couple years. in that time i complained to roger ailes, the ceo and he basically said he makes so much money for the network that i let him do what he wants to do. i tell that story just to show that there were people that were complaining. i wasn't complaining about him propositioning me, but there were complaints, megyn kelly talked about complaints she made about him. again, she wasn't accusing him of sexual harassment, i'm sure i'm going to get attacked tomorrow. today they were attacking megayn. he sent megyn a gift and she sent a thank you. long before she complained about him. they try to go after any woman

who complains. and try to, you know, smear them. that's kind of their mo. >> i worked also for fox news. i know bill o'reilly very well as you do. i consider him a friend. now, i consider him a friend, and he said things to me often times that -- to bill o'reilly could be a jerk to people, and he can say things, you know. so that's different from -- look. >> i'm glad you brought that up. >> i have no idea what happened behind closed doors. i'm just saying that, you know, sometimes it's just his behavior, the way he is that came across as being offensive to people. >> i'm glad you brought that up, because i actually wrote something along these linings of he's mostly an equal opportunity offender. someone who called hsexist for attacking people, i said no he's

an equal opportunity offend er when it comes to debating and arguing. that's not what i'm talking about. he said to me thank you for your blondness at the end of an interview. i'm a political analyst there. that's very different than bill and i getting into an argument about immigration which i never considered to be sexist and never had a problem with. so you have to make a difference for things that are sexist. >> for anyone to pay $32 million, i'm sorry, i find that impossible to imagine. i know he's got huge amounts of money, but to me it's interesting how people keep bringing their children into this. harvey weinstein did it in the recording. he said, you know, i swear on my children i'm not going to do anything. bill o'reilly brings his children continually into this. >> anderson, powerful man accused of harassment, evading responsibility, attacking the messenger, who's that sound like? it could be harvey weinstein, it could be president trump, today it happens to be bill o'reilly that he's trying to evade this issue by saying it's

"the new york times" out to get >> him. >> but he hasn't decide nooied the $32 million settlement. >> he can't because he paid it in installments. what everyone is trying to wrap their head around is what happened that you pay $32 million for? you only pay $32 million if it's going to be worse not to. if you're going to have to pay even more money in court, if you're going to be even more embarrassed at a trial. >> the first allegation which was andrea ma chris who came forward. it seemed like she had recordings, but at a press conference, i think it was, they read very specific things that bill o'reilly was alleged to have said with very specific speech patterns and stumbles in his sentence and the whole thing about the loofa. it was detailed and specific. this must have been as well. >> that was in 2004. i think we can see how far this country's come that in 2017 there's no way he's going to be back on fox.

even as a guest. i know they brought him back last month and they regret doing that. he's not going to be back on that network. >> that's only now. he was on last month and all these allegations -- there hadn't been a $32 million payout. it was, what, more than i guess $10 million -- >> they renewed his contract knowing he struck this deal. >> that's right. >> did they know the amount he paid? the 32 million? >> they say they didn't know the amount but i don't know if they didn't want to know. look the other way and not find out what was in the closet. >> i had this debate with people this weekend. do you think this is a sea change in the culture in terms of how men interact with women in a work setting? >> i would hope so, because like you mentioned, it seems like there's a play book that these powerful men have been able to use every time. i think women should be able to see through it by now. first step, smear the victim, hide behind legal action and last step is present yourself as the victim to the media. which is what bill o'reilly was doing in that clip, look all i've been through. that happens every single time.

the thing that boggles my mind is how could fox as a business decision decide to keep renewing this guy's contract knowing so many millions of dollars have been paid out. we're talking about -- it's not the first or sec time. it keeps happening again and again. hopefully companies can be enlightened enough to see the bottom lean by now and if you keep letting people do this, it's going to hurt you. >> what about hollywood? everyone in hollywood knew what harvey weinstein was up to. >> now his movie company is in sham bells. more on this conversation next. in under an hour is easy with gocentral... ...from godaddy! in fact, 68% of people who have built their... ...website using gocentral, did it in under an hour, and you can too. build a better website - in under an hour. with gocentral from godaddy.

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we've been talking about the latest revelation that bill o'reilly's sexual harassment scandal reported in the "new york times" that he paid $32 million settlement to a fox news legal analyst in january. here's what he said to glenn beck on his radio show today.

>> it is very frustrating for me. you can imagine me sitting here being accused of everything under the sun, and the end game is let's link o'reilly with harvey weinstein. let's make him that. that's what we want to do. and so we take him out of the marketplace forever. he never gets to give his opinion on issues again. we take him out because we hate him. and "the new york times" obviously hates me. >> back now with the panel. it's interesting because he keeps saying he has all this evidence. that it's starting, and it never comes forward. that's what he said before and that's what he's saying now. >> i guess the story he's telling is he's protecting his family by not going to court that's why he paid the money out. i don't know if seems if you have information to exonerate yourself isn't this painful to your family what's happening now? >> it seems the only evidence put forward is that thank you notes were written previously.

>> yeah. >> it seems not like evidence at all. >> i don't understand, with the attack glen beck and bill o'reilly are doing against megyn kelly right now. i can't understand it. they've been on this warpath against women that complained against them or gretchen carlson. they never said he harassed them, they >> i just listened to the back end of the program and i think there's an argument to be made every time you give bill o'reilly the platform you're buying into what happened. but glen was conflicted after it saying, listen, i'm torn between meg begin kelly and bill o'reilly. i don't know what happened because that's between them. and i don't know if i should take sides or not. i don't enable abuse but i'll let bill have his say. >> he was reading a thank you note. >> the if he wants explosive

evidence he's going to have to do better than a baby shower note. >> it was written before she complained, so that doesn't make sense. >> but the bigger issue here is how much we don't know when it gets caught up into these ndas and settlements. and for people like these, you don't know how to pick a side because you have to say who i do believe more? who has more credibility here. >> and we never really get at the truth. >> you know, we can't pick a snide these things because we don't know the facts. but i do think there's something larger going on. we know in our populous culture people will have put the elites on notice. i think this is going into a lot of industries right now. if you're wealthy, powerful, if you can hold that over people that have to play by the normal rules, those people aren't going to take it anymore. and these people shouldn't be able to ruin people's careers. it happened in politics,

hollywood, media, i wonder what the next media is. >> i had a meeting with a ceo of a 500 company. and he said this is very good advice. he said i would never have a meeting with a woman without someone else in the room. and this is unfortunately this is where we're at today. if you are in a position of power, a bill o'reilly, a donald trump, anyone who's running a company, you cannot be -- >> shawn hannity has never been accuse of sexual harassment. sand cooper has never been accused of sexual harassment. what are you talking about? so any powerful man cannot be alone wye woman? that's ridiculous. this would affect women negatively that you can't even meet privately with your boss? >> if you're in a position of power, it's probably not a good idea. >> tucker carlson has never

been -- >> sometimes there are false accusations. >> look at all the powerful men at fox news who have never been accused of sexual harassment and this is your solution, you can't be alone with women? >> most of the fox news men? >> i could go through the whole roster of them. >> it does seem like the new york office had a culture of -- >> which is where roger ailes was based. we have to take a break. something to make you smile at the end of this long day.

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>> time now for the ridiculous and say is it ain't so, madam secretary. i'm looking at you, aka secretary of state elizabeth mccord, how could you let national treasure your chief of staff just shuffle ball change out the door last night? for those of you who are unfamiliar with the work of emmy winning tony neu news worth, shame pount did you speak through cheers? >> i can't be engaged to you, frazier, because i'm mayor rig randy here. if anyone wants to get us a wedding gift, his butt is this size. >> did you black out during the

63 seasons of frazier. >> martin, i'm especially dpietd see you here tonight. when i heard that frazier had taken you in i immediately flipped to the weather channel to see if hell had indeed frozen over. >> even if you were living on mars during the '80s and '90s, you might have seen her more recently as nadine tolliver, the secretary to leoneny. nadine was everything you'd want in the state department, collin powell's discipline, dash of medal in all bright's wild side. >> madam secretary, protocol explicitly states that foreign gifts remain in the gift room. >> noted. i need create an exception. >> oh, thank god. >> nadine with the life of the diplomatic party when she all of a sudden hit the brick. something about moving to be with her son. there i was wrapped in the show when i checked twitter and low

and behold newer says it was her zoution leave the series had the little edge just pulled a shelly long. come on, bee bee, please reconsider. with you gone who's going to charm global trade confwrenss bi billly joel covers ♪ we have the ♪ for the longest time\. >> she's still got it. bee bee knew worth can sing bats going to play a clip from her in chicago but i think i'll just watch little edge play the soons. >> give me an a plus. thank you. ♪ when you're smiling ♪ when you're smiling ♪ the whole world smiles with you. >> so the elephant in the room who will replace her on madam secretary? let me float this idea. the other big star of the show is tim daily who's sister, you see where i'm going with this,

tooin daily from kagny and freaking lacy. i don't know if she's kagny or lacy. in the meantime, i don't blame leoneny or begrudge bee bee for her decision but we wish her all the best and all the jazz. thanks for watching 360. time to turn things over to don lemon. cnn starts now. >> this is cnn tonight, i'm don lemon. today when i woke up and sought emotional interview with the grieving gold star widow myesha johnson my heart was broken like most of you. and then moments later the president tweeted and i was shocked. i felt compelled to write an open letter to president trump, and i want to share that letter with you right now. deer mr. president, i've interviewed you multiple times. you've introduced me to your family, you've also criticized me publicly both in f