politics." >> i'm john king. thank you for sharing your day with us. president trump calls it sour grapes but stung rebukes from two conservative senators have washington and the republican party buzzing saying the commander in chief lacks at character and class his office demands. >> we're nine months into the administration. those who are hoping to see a pivot i think have realized that is not going to come. >> plus, the president plays victim after a new report shows the democrats, including the clinton campaign helped pay for

a now infamous investigation of trump contacts with russians. >> it is relevant who paid for the dossier. it's much more relevant who relied upon it. my focus has been on whether or not the department of justice and the fbi relied upon an unsourced ci document to launch a counter intelligence investigation. >> and truth as redefined by the trump white house. even if there's video. and it proves you wrong, just say it doesn't. >> i don't believe that general kelly mischaracterized. he gave his account of what took place. >> just his account of what took place. now what is the big question in washington and across the republican party, after two scathing rebukes of president trump by leading senators of his own political party. the president chalks it all up to sour grapes and political weakness of senators jeff flake and bob corker he tweets this, the reason flake and corker dropped out of the senate race is simple. they had zero chance of being

elected. now act so hurt and wounded. it is true both are ducking what would have been tough 2018 re-election primary challenges but both say this is about much more than that. in their view, a freedom now to speak out about presidential behavior and character flaws they see as beneath the office of the president and which they see as a threat to their party and to the country. senator flake predicting this morning they will soon have more company. >> obviously, privately, a number of my colleagues have expressed concern about the direction of our politics and the behavior of the president. i think in the coming months, you'll have more people stand up. i think the cume lative weight of all of this, there comes a tipping point where we realize we just can't continue to normalize this kind of behavior. >> in a moment, more on exactly what was said and why this is such an extraordinary moment in the debate about president trump personally and on the trump effect on the republican party.

and american politics. first the fallout meaning the questions front and center this busy day after. for example, will having two republican mavericks free of election worries affect the big policy debates ahead. >> beginning with tax reform. it senator flake right meaning will others say publicly some of the eye-popping things said on a daily basis in private conversations about the president. and the raw politics, flake's decision to follow corker into retirement is without a doubt a win for the president and his breitbart wingman steven bannon who vow to purge the gop of trump critics. the true test comes when replacements are picked. will the long-term verdict be as good for trump and bannon or will the republican establishment or maybe the democrats end up winning in the end. >> with us to share insights, julie pace of the "associated press," carl hulse of "the new york times," ryan lizza and laura lopez of the washington examiner". a lot to digest. senator flake back on the network shows today. i want to get in a bit as i said

to some of the damning things said about a president. i've been here almost 30 years, never heard sitting members of a president's own party say things like this. let's talk about the fallout this morning. carl, start with you. you walk the hills of capitol hill. will they remain lonely voices or is senator flake right? are there others -- we all know what house members say privately, republicans about this president. it's tough stuff. will more have the courage to step forward? >> i'm not seeing it. you go who is the next person who is going to do this. i think you're going to continue to have people oppose the president, susan collins, lisa murkowski votes. but i don't see either of them taking that tone with the president right now. there's a fair amount of panic on capital little among republicans. things aren't going very well. and the president has proven to be pretty effective at whipping people into shape. having said that, you know, that was quite a call to action really from senator flake. and i'm sure that it's weighing

on some of his colleagues like jeff flake has the nerve to stand up there and say that. i say that all the time at home or to my colleagues out for dinner. do i need to start saying that. right now, i'm po not so sure there's going to be more. >> for people at home who don't joe jeff flake, this is not a milquetoast moderate. he does disagree on immigration issues and tone. he views himself and has the right to view himself as the heir to barry goldwater, very conservative record when it comes to spending and conservative issues. you quote juliette trent lott the former majority leader who had some problems in his party. can the gop survive the trump presidency? the solution for conservatives is to stay in trump's republican party, not walk away. you don't complain there's not room for you in the party. you make room. that is one of the big conversations today. if corker and flake believe it's so important to fight trumpism, why not wage a campaign for the next year and a half, why not fight in the primaries and try

to win those primaries and say see, mr. president, i'm right, you're wrong. >> i heard this over and over again yesterday to people saying the solution for people who view themselves as not moderate republicans but traditional conservatives people who may support legal immigration who may support limited government who may be fiscal conservatives is to stay to prove to donald trump and to steve bannon they are essentially renting this party, they are not taking over the party. that's what's happening right now. donald trump when he blasted through that republican primary last year took over the gop. and lawmakers accepted it. they said they were basically okrenting the party to him. the question now is whether the policy initiatives he's pushing, this type of populism and nationalism that bannon is trying to whip up, as well becomes the new face of the gop. >> yeah, i remember talking to a senior white house official who is very frustrated with congress earlier this year and saying that the problem is in the republican party that trump is a leading indicator of where the party is going.

and they were, of course, frustrated by the lack of buy-in to what they saw as the nationalist trump agenda and the solution to them was over the course of the next two to four cycles you have to start replacing these establishment members were more trump-like candidates. we're going to see in the next few cycles now that people like corker and flake leave, was trump a oneoff or was he a leading indicator where this party is going and are the establishment candidates going to be replaced by the new nationalist republican movement. >> it's an excellent point in the sense that the president is always a leader of the party. this is a conversation like many about politics that is very different in washington, d.c. than i suspect it is around america. especially around red america where donald trump won. i want to show you poll numbers. if you are a republican, let's assume you're a republican member of the senate and there are many of them we speak to all the time who agree with jeff flake. look at this right now, the president's approval rating among republicans is 83%. if you challenge him, he's the

leader of your party. most republicans will say what are you doing? the president is our boss, the leader of the party. the "wall street journal"/nbc poll also asked this question. among just asking republicans are you a trump supporter or a supporter of the party, nearly 60% of the people who described themselves as republicans today, 58% say they're trump supporters. 38% say they're supporters of the party. if you step out and say mr. president, you're wrong, prepare for the buzzsaw, not just in his twitter feed but from his voters. >> that's right. when you look at jeff flake's polling, it wasn't looking good. and. >> that was very polite of you. >> it was dismal. >> it was very dismal. of course, that went into his calculations. that's part of what have he said during his speech and during his interview when he first announced it that you know, i don't think there is a place for me or i would have had to run a campaign i wouldn't have been proud of if i had you know stuck with this. and also, even if he had made it

to the general election and beat back kelli ward, you know, kirsten cinema has a really good shot at winning this. so you know, this could be a very calculated move on his part with let me bow out on my own terms and maybe come back into politics if there ends up being room for me again in the future. >> carl's point is why it seems unlike we'll see this wave of senators or house members coming out and following the example of jeff flake and bob corker because they want to win. they either want to stay on the ballot in 2018 or looking to election beyond that and see this political reality that trump is popular no matter what happens in washington, no matter what kind of freakouts we have when he says these things that seem over top, he remains popular with the base. and what is particularly putting some republicans on edge is what we saw coming out of alabama which is that the base is splitting trump from the republican party. >> this is normally done when there's a question who is the party, what is the party and who its leadership is, it's usually

done in presidential elections. the press staged a hostile takeover of the republican party last year that should tell you something when that happens. a guy who had been a democrat and independent takes it over. bill clinton took over the democrat party by saying we have to be different. the challenge for these guys heading into a midterm election 2018 even those who criticize trump in every private conversation we have with them, he's not a conservative, he doesn't have class. i question his character. he shouldn't be saying these things about foreign affairs. the president also has on his support look at breitbart today, we're winning. flake out. establishment republicans fall like dominos. luther strange, bob corker, jeff flake gone. there's the echo chamber on fox news. listen to sean hannity. >> for all you never trumper senators headed for the exits, people like corker and flake, you know what? guess what, you guys, you know, take your other colleagues with

you. mitch mcconnell, good-bye. ben sasse, good-bye. john cornyn, good-bye. lisa murkowski, susan collins. >> >> it's bizarre to include mcconnell on this list or john cornyn. >> the number one and number two in the senate who sean hannity rails against all the time, he doesn't ask the president about them when he gets an interview. he fegs that part. this is the test here now. will it affect the votes on tax reform? you already see today john mccain, bob corker saying we sent you a law about russian sanctions. you haven't done it. do it. we sent you a law. is it going to affect business or is this just a both personal feuds and a tug of war about the future of the party? >> i think that it could affect the tax reform, but i also think that republicans are in such dire need of an accomplishment that they can probably figure out a wait to get this through. bob corker, he might not be getting along with the president but he doesn't want to spite his

party or his friends in the senate. he's got a lot of friends there. so i think that there's ways that they can goat this done, but it's very ugly right now. people are just sort of trying to get their heads around how they're supposed to move forward. >> but he's laid down a marker that is conservative, any conservative could adopt to oppose tax reform. and that is if it explodes the deficit he's not for it. >> he did vote for a budget. >> he voted for the budget. that's very often a party line vote. just because you voted for the budget doesn't mean you'll vote for everything else. >> he has said that. >> we have a lot of tbds on these issues. between now and the end of the year, congress hasn't done much this year. we'll take a break and come back to this conversation in a bit. it's an old saying around politics, follow the money. new revelations and new questions about who funded that infamous trump dossier. watch me. ♪

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welcome back. trouble with truth telling it seems is a bipartisan affliction. reporter ken vogel had sources telling him the clinton campaign was helping to finance the dossier researching donald trump's contacts with russians. he reports when i tried to report this story the clinton campaign lawyer saying you or your sources are wrong. we know his sources were right. a source confirms a development reported last night by "the washington post." both the hockey and the democratic national committee helped fund the research. now to be clear, we've known for some time the firm behind the

dossier was first funded by anti-trump republicans and the funding picked up by the democrats after the nomination. we have an idea who the democrats were and how far up this reached and how those writing the checks denied during the campaign or as maggie haberman of "the new york times" puts it, folks involved in funding this lied about it with sanctimoney for a year. is this a big dealle? >> obviously the president this morning tweeting, this is good for him in the sense that he can say now that democrats put money behind this dossier which includes some salacious things that have not been confirmed and include other things about x met with y, y met with z, russian contacts that the fbi took seriously enough to include in its investigation. they paid for research that led to anti-trump news dossier. the victim is the president at fox news. the president is now agreeing with fox news he's a victim here. >> look, it's always a big deal when you get into a situation where someone denies involvement

in something and then you realize that they actually were quite involved in it. it does raise questions why the clinton campaign and the dnc during the transition weren't up front with the fact that yeah, we were paying for opposition research. it's something that every campaign does. it's actually not that scandalous. i will say this didn't fundamentally change where we are on the russia investigations. bob mueller is not in place because a dossier exists that was funded by a republican and then a democrat. he's there for various other reasons. it doesn't change the fact that reporting shows that there are aspects of that dossier that have been confirmed by intelligence agencies. there are other aspects of it that have not. yet, democrats have questions to answer but it doesn't change the situation that the president is in as it relates to these investigations. >> the president will disagree with you but you're absolutely right. it doesn't change the fact that the attorney general of the united states met with the russian ambassador during the campaign and didn't disclose it. the president's son in law met with russians during the

campaign including a banker close to putin and didn't put it on forms. politically, it's kind of embarrassing for the democrats, isn't it. >> no, it is embarrassing. it's another thing added to the long list of why can't the clinton campaign you know say what they're doing or be honest about something. it adds to the whole stigma of her campaign and the candidate herself. you know that, being said though, again, as julie said, you know, mueller is still conducting this investigation and if a vast majority of the dossier ends up becoming verified by mueller's investigation, then who paid for it may not be as pertinent. >> nos as pertinent. i just want to the play brian fallon, the campaign chief spokesman. he says he doesn't know if hillary clinton nos about it. he says he can't answer the question. it would have been negligence, remember trump's alleged contacts deals was russians were part of the questions during the primaries. it would have been negligent if

they didn't look into it. here's brian. >> i think it's important to remember that a, opposition research happens all the time in campaigns. b, before, the reason fusion gps had a head start on this and beak came to the campaign and pitched us was because they already had been commissioned and hired during the republican primary. >> i just don't get if the something is a the smart thing to do which it was and they seemingly bought into a project that starred, why not just say so. >> they should have disclose this had. julie's right about the fact that oppo research goes on all the time. that's not necessarily the issue. the mueller probe would probably not be different knowing this fact. we're now in the end of october and we still don't have a full accounting of the relationship between what russia did in the 2016 campaign. to me this is another leak, another piece of information. it should have been disclosed. we should know about it. it adds to this entire sfeefrt

confusion about what happened last year. of all people that should have come clean and disclosed what they knew about this, the clinton campaign should have. now it gets processed through the partisan lens where conservatives say aha and exaggerate how this makes you know, exonerates trump on everything and democrats will defend it. to me it suggests we need a one comprehensive accounting so the american people have a clear idea of everything. >> amen. with this partisanship when you get that accounting no matter what it says, will people view it credibly whether he they've been told trump broke every law in the land or this is all democrats faking. > a great talking point. another way to undermine whatever comes out. i agree with everything people said. brian had a good line last night. i didn't know about this, but if i had, i would have gone over and helped. they maybe should have said. >> too little too late. >> they should have said that back then. >> honesty on day one helps quite a bit. the significance and consequence

of sitting u.s. senators from the president's own party condemning his character and suggesting his politics threaten the very fiber of america.

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we were not made great as a country by indulging in or even exalting our worst impulses turning against ourselves. glorifying in the things that divide us, and calling fake things true and true things fake. and we did not become the beacon of freedom in the darkest corners of the world by flouting our institutions and failing to

understand just how hard won and vulnerable they are. >> stunning it denunciation of the president from a retiring republican senator. senator jeff flake criticizing president trump's character, his rhetoric, his fitness to be commander in chief. it doesn't stop with the president. senator flake also calling into question the state of the republican party encouraging colleagues to "no longer remain silent." none of which should be taken lightly. we focus the trump presidency is such a blur. there's tweets today. there's this and that that sometimes we don't step back. i've been here 28 years. i have no recollection of within a short period of time george w. bush former president of the united states, senator john mccain, elder statesman of his party and now bob corker and jeff flake saying such things about publicly about the president of the united states. it is unprecedented. at least in my lifetime. the question is, where does it go and what does it mean? >> i don't think we know the answer to that right now.

it is important to put it in context. the types of things we're hearing you would think we're at the end of a presidential term when it's clear to the party this president will not be able to win a second term. we're in the first year when trump should be at his most powerful and able to leverage the fact that republicans have control of both ends of pennsylvania avenue. but in terms of the fallout from this, it is just wildly uncertain. we don't know what's going to happen with some of these candidates that trump via bannon will be supporting in some of the primaries. the first place you'll look is tax reform. you need to look for true impact. will corker actually vote against a package trump can't afford to lose a lot of republicans. >> every republican i talk to says 2018 looks really good except if they don't pass some kind of tax reform. >> that's right. corker reiterated after the meeting with trump i'm firm on the deficit. that's not something that he's going to waiver on but he still is gettable. and so is flake.

they're at their core conservatives. they do tend to vote party line. but it doesn't mean that flake's speech and corker's back and forth with the president is normal at all. it isn't. it's something that's very different. and maybe as flake said it will bring out more republican senators but it remains to be seen. >> and even beyond those votes, the votes coming in the next couple weeks, they want the party to somehow reach out and take the party back from the president. how do you do that to julie's point? we're not even at the ten-month mark. you can't stage a coup, you can't get rid of him. how do you take your party back without challenging him at the ballot box or everybody stands up and gives speeches? >> that's a great point. what do you do. there there are these twos powerful forces keeping republicans tethered to trump. and not wanting to go where corker and flake have gone. the one course is the very high approvals he has with republicans. right? so in their -- these re-election

campaigns being close to trump seems like an asset so far. then the second thing is there is this pre-existing conservative agenda that republicans who now control all of washington want trump to sign, right? >> the tax reform comes in. what is the red line where they decide that those twos forces are less important than trump if they believe this being unfit to be president. for corker it was north korea. he said you know what, neil gorsuch and a tax cut is not world world war iii. i need to speak out. flake has been a much longer term critic and never on board with trump. what is the red line if you believe what flake and corker believe? a lot of them we know privately do. >> we know they do. that was flake as a point yesterday. flake making the point that yes, a lot of republicans don't trust trump, don't like the way he communicates but they thought we can repeal obamacare, fail. we can cut taxes, we'll see what happens.

we can pass a conservative agenda and he'll just sign it so we'll look the other way and deal with it. jeff flake says nine months in, can't go that way anymore. >> we must never regard as normal the regular and casual undermining of our democratic norms and ideals. we must never meekly accept the daily sundering of our country. the personal attacks, the threats against principles, freedoms and institution, the flagrant disregard for truth and decency. it the reckless provocations, most often for the pettiest and most personal reasons, reasons having nothing whatsoever to do with the fortunes of the people that we have been elected to serve. >> if you listen to that, i mean, there was criticism of reagan during iran-contra, you blew it, didn't tell the truth to the american people. there was a lot of criticism of bill clinton during impeachment. >> joe lieberman. >> nothing like this.

i can't recall anything like this. >> yesterday morning when they got the fourth interview the day that corker had given where he talked about debasing the office and the nation, to me, i was stunned by that. >> this is not we disagree with you. this is you are ruining office of the country. >> flake is hard-core. people are having a hard time understanding. they're breaking against the president, why aren't they getting against them. it's not about issues so much. it's about trump himself. it's about the way he conducts himself, what he does, the ig dignities they see him inflicting on the office. to me, that's what makes it so amazing. you're attacking his actual demeanor. >> we listen to the speeches. this is a tiny sample of what the senators are talking about. >> you said there was hatred, violence. >> i do think there's blame, yes, i think there's blame on both sides. >> rocket man is on a suicide

mission for himself. and for his regime. and nobody wants me to talk about your other senator who's weak on borders, weak on crime. so i won't talk about him. nobody wants me to talk about him. nobody knows who the hell he is. >> the last part was politics, the president doesn't like jeff flake. but the charlottesville response, some of this goes back to access hollywood and the campaign. a lot of republicans said the american people voted for him. therefore, that was their -- the american people forgave him. therefore, don't ask me about anything that happened during the campaign 0 or beforehand because he won the election. therefore don't make me talk about that. senator flake is saying no, we've seen a continuation of things like that during the presidency. he's not going to change. we need to speak out. >> he actually said that. we keep there's going to be a pivot to governing with civility and there's not going to be one and he's not going to take it

anymore. >> even though he turned this conversation toward colleagues and said it's incumbent upon us to act, didn't offer a path for action. this morning he said he doesn't think impeachment were an option. i think it would be easier for republicans if it were about policy because they could lay down their marker. when you're talking about the personality and the way the president is behaving in office, they don't have a lot of options for something they can doing to change this course. >> this is where it gets into the debate about okay, a lot of democrats and liberals are saying oh, what do you mean, flake? you voted with trump whatever the percentage on. that's very complicated. what comes to the floor in the senate is the basically consensus republican policy. does that mean you're necessarily supporting trump? i don't know. so i think that's somewhat unfair criticism. but what can you do about trump? well, if you empower him by passing his agenda, are you -- is it jeff flake. >> even though it's your agenda, too. that's a great point. >> how do you contain him is the

question flake opened up if you believe he's fundamentally unfit and actually violating the norms of democracy which are serious charges. >> if you withhold your votes and tax reform fails, what happens in the republican primaries? they have no idea who the backlash would be against. the only way to direct him is 2018. republicans hit a new stumbling block on the agenda, the tax cut fight and it's coming from within their own party. if you have medicare

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the government. that's why the writers want to eliminate the deduction. they need the money. it hits high tax states like california and new jersey hard. the average if you live in a democratic district, this is the average you would lose. a republican district on average you lose that much deduction. let's get to the brass tacks. they need votes to pat the budget. peter king from new york, are you going to tell constituents i voted to take away nearly $7,000 in tax deductions from you or you're in incomes leonard lance, are you going to tell your constituents i voted to take away nearly $14,000 in your tax deduction or out to the west coast, darrell issa of california, $9,000. is he going to vote for this and tell his constituents sorry when you figure out your tax forms in april, blame president trump? that's what makes this vote so tough. is this negotiable the white house says? maybe. >> we spend enormous amount of time talking about that. when you lower the rate but get rid of that deduction for many american taxpayers they actually

end up in a better place. >> is that a red line for you? >> it's not a red line for us. that is not a red line. >> is there a chance just the house budget vote is tomorrow. they can say the leadership will say please vote for this and we'll deal with the details down the road. is there a chance the revolt of the moderates knock this off the rails? >> there's a chance. we'll see. paul ryan and other leadership is already meeting with them and trying to convince them look, just let us get over this hurdle. so that way we can tackle the details. the formal tax plan or the proposal supposed to come out november 1st. gritty then.to all the nitty - but if we don't pass the budget now, then the tool that will make it filibuster proof in the senate isn't going to be there. >> a good strategy if you're paul ryan. if you're moderate members of

congress are you going to tell your constituents sorry. how many more chances to you get to change the bill. if you adopt the budget, they might not need your vote. they need it now. this is your moment. >> they have to exert all the leverage they can. i noticed today they're talking about we just want a commitment or an agreement. i'm not sure how binding that's going to be. it only passed by one vote the first time around. so they will do need these guys' votes. this is their chance. >> this is dicey. if you have lever and, you take it. another big story last night about your money on capitol hill. remember back in the campaign, candidate trump saying things like this? >> i'm not going to let wall street get away with murder. wall street has caused tremendous problems for us. we're going to tax wall street. >> the wall street investor who have rigged the regulations against the middle class, they're donating to hillary clinton. >> well, last night, the president sent his able deputy the vice president mike pence up to capitol hill to break a 50-50

tie to vote in favor of a bill wall street lobbyists have been pushing hard for making it hard for you to sue banks and credit card companies. is this consistent with the rhetoric of the president on the campaign that i'm for the little guy against wall street? >> no. >> thank you. >> i mean, this shows either one that it's always a question of how much trump believed his own nationalist populist message and how much meat was on that bone. but if it meant anything it, meant taking on the financial services industry. that to say the least has not taken in congress among republicans who are still very close toes that industry. this has been on their wish list for a long time. but it goes to show that trump and the white house has not really been as organized in pressing its own sort of trumpist agenda and when it comes 0 most issues republicans on the hill are still in control. >> this is one of those issues we talked earlier about the debate about the trump effect on the party. this is one of the issues where

republicans say we don't like him, he's not one of us but he signs our stuff. we'll send it to him. this is one of their rationales, excuses, call it what you will for turning a blind eye to some of the stuff they don't like. elizabeth warren senator from massachusetts not on president's side. lo and behold, she remembers the campaign. >> you've gone on and on and on about how strong you are, how tough you are. and about how you are going to stand up to wall street. well, this bill is a giant wet kiss to wall street. president trump, are you really going to let mike pence cast a tiebreaking vote to hand big banks their biggest win in congress since they crashed the economy nine years ago? >> well, yes. >> the answer was yes. >> he did let him do that. i think when you kind of step back and you look at the trump

presidency, one of the most fascinating questions is going to be is he going to remain teflon to be so many of these accountability promises that other candidates get criticized for. he says something on the campaign trail, then he gets in office and does something different or signs off on different policies. this is so fundamental to what he was about as a candidate. yes, there wasn't a lot of policy behind it, not a lot of specifics but this idea i am there for the little guy. >> i am your voice. >> that's what he said, i am your voice. he sends mike pence up to cast this vote on a bill that undoubtedly benefits wall street, it looks like hypocrisy, like a broken promise. trump has been teflon to that idea. >> 60-40 it's easier to process. when the vice president has to break the tie, we'll see. >> it's just that trump had some credibility during the campaign on this though he was a new yorker, he wasn't a wall street guy. he kind of fought with wall street. then to go and have pence do in

this early, i mean, it undermines that. >> gary cohn and steve mnuchin and wilbur ross. >> i think they worked at goldman sachs. >> when we come back, truth as defined by those who stand at the podium at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. that cough doesn't sound so good. take mucinex dm. i'll text you in 4 hours when your cough returns. one pill lasts 12 hours, so... looks like i'm good all night! why take 4-hour cough medicine? just one mucinex lasts 12 hours. let's end this. you've probably seen me running all over the country in search of our big idaho potato truck. but not any more. i am done with that. ooh, ooh hot - just gonna stay home on the farm, eat a beautiful idaho potato, and watch tv with my dog... tv anncr: the big idaho potato truck pulled into town today and it's really a sight to see. oh man...let's go.... (distant) you comin', boy? sfx: (dog) gulp! woof.

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this was the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration period. both in person and around the globe. >> sean spicer, of course, is gone. his penchant for telling tall tales cost him any credibility in thing room but it did won him an emmy, i'm sorry, he was part of a joke about his ability or unwillingness to tell the truth. it is now the sara sanders room. the briefing room still a fact free zone. one current example the tape

doesn't lie. john kelly'srection of a 2015 of speech by frederick wilson was faulty. kelly standing at the white house podium said the congresswoman said things that a tape of the event proved she did not say but no acknowledge.. just another effort at taxpayer expense to redefine truth. >> i don't believe that general kelly mischaracterized. he gave his account of what took place. eligible kelly and his family have made the ultimate sacrifice for our country. i think he's led with honor and integrity. i think he's doing a great job of chief of staff and i don't think he has anything to correct or apologize for. >> general kelly served with distinction. he's an american hero. he's a gold star parent and had tragedy in his family. what he said was not true. so then using his military service to say therefore, you cannot question him i'm sorry, that is equal to if not a

greater violation of anything sean spicer said. >> it's beneath contempt to use a gem's stars, a general who is now in a political role as chief of staff of this white house to use his stars as a shield from press criticism when he went out in public and maligned a sitting u.s. congresswoman with something that was false, maybe he misremembered it. it's totally possible. but you know, maybe he didn't lie on purpose. but he said something that was just not true about her and in a really, really awful way undermining her commitment to dead fbi agents. >> and hurting himself and his credibility in the sense that he was out there as a character witness for the president. all the perfect people watching raise your hand. if he just made a mistake, he didn't like the fact she talked about herself and that offended him and hisrection was faulty fine, just say i'm sorry. my recollection was clearly off. my point is this. whatever case you want to make. but the tape problems he was wrong and she stands there and

says not only he wasn't but it's un-american to question him. >> and that part too that it's un-american to question him. hypocrisy abounds with the white house because then you have the president tweeting about senator john mccain saying that you know, well, i like it when my war heroes aren't captured or not respecting that mccain served in any way, shape, or form. so to see the back and forth, you see it with sanders. one minutes she discredits "the washington post" and next minute uses the stories with the clinton and dnc paints. >> it raises a question what the briefing is for these days. a lot of people said it's past its time. it's important for us to get the white house on record on any issue of the day. we're getting to a point where it is a pure propaganda fest with the misinformation being spread that raises a question. >> i would argue that the example that we saw from sara sanders is exactly why we need the white house briefing to be

able to hold white house officials accountable from the press secretary up to the chief of staff when they are willing to come on camera and say things that are pals. >> this is not in her defense but a statement of reality. it is hard. it is hard sometimes to do that job including when you have to say this. >> you said before senator flake and senator corker's comments were petty. what exactly of senator flake's speech did you find to be petty? >> i thought his attacks and a lot of comments that he made, i don't have a readout in front of me. as i was watching it, i noticed a lot of language i didn't think was befitting of the senate floor. >> chutzpah is the word to stand there and say the language was not befitting. does she read her own president's, never mind. we'll leave it there. see you right back here same time tomorrow. wolf blitzer up after a quick break. ve stubborn makeup in a snap?

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hello, i'm wolf blitzer. it's 1:00 p.m. here in washington, 6:00 p.m. in niger. 1:30 a.m. thursday morning in pyongyang, north korea. where ever you're watching from around the world, thanks for joining us. deadlines up. new questions as the trump administration fails to start implementing sanctions against russia, the ones overwhelmingly approved by the house and senate. so what's the holdup? plus, bankroll bombshell. a source says the hillary clinton campaign and the democratic national committee helped fund the infamous trump dossier. i'll speak live with the former number two at the dnc and we'll get her response. and cnn inside north korea right now and one of