>> the president says we've been painting him as uncivil. >> i'd like to punch him in the face. i would bomb the [mute] out of them. >> trick or treat, mr. president. thanks for spending your sunday morning with us. i'm jack tapper in washington. "fareed zakaria gps" starts right now. this is "gps," the global public square. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria. we'll begin today's show with russia. the russians who met with the trump campaign wanted to undo the work of this man, bill browder. now, they have had him placed on a list of interpol's most wanted. browder's long, strange saga and what it might tell us about putin's strategy towards the

u.s. also, president trump and his team have been pushing hard on his tax plan. >> $4,000 pay raise. >> former treasury secretary larry summers says the claims from the white house are more dishonest than any he has ever seen before. he explains. the white house's kevin hassett defends himself. and the mona lisa, the last supper, and yes, the flying man, all creations of the extraordinary mind of one extraordinary man, leonardo da vinci. what can we learn from leonardo? a lot, says walter isaacson. first, here's my take. while news and analysis in america continues to be obsessed with donald trump's daily antics and insults, halfway around the world something truly historic just happened. china signalled that it now sees

itself as the world's other super power, positioning itself as the alternative if not rival to the united states. this is not my opinion based on reading the tea leaves of chinese politics. it is the clearly articulated view of china's supreme leader, xi jinping. in his speech to congress, xi declared that china is entering a new era that will be marked by the country becoming a role model for political and economic development and a mighty force in the world. he asserted that china's political system is a great creation that offers a new choice for other countries, and he insisted that the country will defend its interest zealously while also becoming a global leader on issues as far ranging as climate change and trade. ever since china abandoned its isolation in the 1970s, its guiding philosophy was set by dongping. china needed to learn from the

west, especially the united states. according to dong, it should be humble and modest in its foreign policy, hide its slight under a bushel and bide its time. but the time has now come, it appears, and he said the middle kingdom is ready to take center stage in the world. xi's speech is important because this party congress made clear he is no ordinary leader. he ascended to a second term in office without naming any obvious successors from the next generation of party officials. thus maintaining a grip on power far more secure than his immediate predecessors. more important, the party enshrined his thoughts in the constitution, an honor previously accorded only to dong in his lifetime. this means that for the rest of his life, xi and his ideas will dominate the party of china.

china's new stance toward the world and the way it has been received are in part because of the continued strength of the chinese company and the growing political confidence of the party under xi. but it is also against the back drop of the total collapse of political and moral authority of america in the world. a recent pew research center survey charts a 14-point drop in u.s. favorability across the more than 30 countries polled. countries like australia, the netherlands and canada now all have a more favorable view of china than of the u.s. many of the countries surveyed including germany, chile and indonesia have greater confidence in the leadership of xi than of trump. china has aggressively sought to improve its image in the world, spending billions on foreign aide, promising trade in

investment and opening confucius institutes to promote chinese culture. meanwhile, consider how the united states must now look to the rest of the world. it is politically paralyzed, unable to make major decisions. politics has become a branch of reality tv with daily insults, comebacks and color commentary. america's historic leadership role in the world has been replaced by a narrow and cramped ideology. foreign policy itself has become a partisan game with washington breaking international agreements, shifting course and reversing policy almost entirely to score political points at home. the shift in reputation that we are witnessing around the world is not so much about the rise of china but rather, the decline of america. for more, go to cnn.com/fareed and read my "washington post" column. now let's get started. you have likely heard the

phrase the magnitsky act before. that is the act that targets top russian oligarchs and officials, putin's closest aides, denying access to western visas and opportunities. it is the action that the government once repealed and what the russians who met the trump campaign wanted to talk about. bill browder who had once been the largest foreign investor in russia, is the driving force behind that role. now the russians have fought back. interpol has now blocked that warrant and mr. browder is again free to travel. he joins me today from london. welcome, bill. >> good to see you. >> first explain the timing of this decision. why this week? >> well, last week was a very important week in that canada

passed the canadian version of the magnitsky act to impose visa sanctions and asset freezes on the people who killed my lawyer, sergei magnitsky, and the people who do similar abuses in russia and around the world. and putin went crazy over there. when i say he went crazy, we actually got a chance to see a video of him giving a speech in which he spent about five minutes talking about how angry he was with me. and roughly on the same day as that was all happening, putin added me to the interpol arrest warrant system, and on that same day, my u.s. visa was blocked. thankfully, the u.s. quickly -- senator john mccain and senator benjamin cardin quickly intervened and a few hours later the department of homeland security issued me a new visa, and thankfully interpol has also blocked russia's arrest warrant. so i'm back to normal.

but it's pretty dramatic and it's pretty clear that putin is not a happy man about me today. >> explain why canada's passing the magnitsky act is so important, because the u.s. has this law but the fear i think that the russians that is that will spread throughout the western world, correct? >> so what the magnitsky act does is it freezes assets and bans visas of human rights abusers in russia and elsewhere. putin doesn't like this because he's a very rich man. he's got, in my estimation, $200 billion of net worth. he's probably the richest man in the world. he's afraid that that money will be frozen. so he initially lashed out at the american magnitsky act, but what's more concerning for him is that as the magnitsky act gets replicated in other countries, there will be no place for him to hide and his money won't be safe. and putin is particularly mad about canada because canada is seen as a totally neutral, honest broker, moral leader type of country.

people can say, well, america is a big super power and other countries may not want to follow a super power, but nobody has any bad feelings -- there's no such thing as anti-canadianism. as a result of that i believe and i think putin believes that there will be now a domino effect of other countries passing the magnitsky act. >> and to remind people, this was the issue that has been brought up by the russian lawyer and the former intelligence operative from russia when they met with donald trump jr., jared kushner, paul manafort, when they met with the trump campaign, correct? >> exactly. so putin has been really upset about this. it was his number one foreign policy priority to get rid of the magnitsky act. he had -- through various proxies and intermediaries he came to the united states and other countries but they came to the united states to make sure that this thing wasn't going to

get implemented, maybe get repealed, and as one of those intermediaries went in, this woman, this russian lawyer, and this russian spy, and those are the two people on june 9, 2016 right after trump was nominated, the republican nominee, they went to trump tower and met with jared kushner, donald trump jr. and paul manafort and went in with one very specific ask which was to repeal the magnitsky act. there's no question that that's what they were asking for because there's actually now documentary evidence of that. the only question that everybody has is what was going to be offered in return. >> to understand the russian allegation, it is that you were complicit in the murder of your lawyer who died in a russian prison when you were not even in russia. so how did you -- what is the

charge? how could that have happened? >> it's about the craziest thing i've ever seen. they're saying that i murdered sergei magnitsky from london somehow, and they said i did so in conjunction with an unidentified mi-6 agent, being the secret service of britain. and they somehow believe that i was able to pull strings in all of the russian justice system to have him killed in a russian prison. what makes it more absurd is that i then spent the next 8 years fighting for justice and passing sanctions against russia to get justice for sergei magnitsky. it's the most crazy, cockamamie allegation that could ever be made, and in a certain sense what it shows to me is that we've really gotten under vladimir putin's skin, that he's kind of lost it. he's been mad for a long time and they're just now doing crazy

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washington, d.c., is abuzz about taxes. this week the president talked about his tax plan on fox news of course. from the podium, sarah sanders talked about it, even ivanka trump went to capitol hill to lobby for it. often mentioned is the extra money that the trump team is

promising is going to go directly into the wallets of the american people. listen to what the president had to say last week with the senate finance committee. >> each household on average would take in $4,000 and they'll go out and they'll spend that money and that will be great for the economy. >> sounds good but is it true? well, trump didn't come up with the number alone of course. it comes from a report by chief white house economist kevin hassett. we'll hear from hassett in a moment, but first larry summers. summers was the 71st secretary of the treasury, serving under president clinton. he headed the national economic council under president obama and was president of harvard university. larry summers, pleasure to have you on. >> glad to be with you, fareed. >> so you have said in "the washington post" that as treasury secretary, undersecretary, deputy secretary, you have worked for seven chief economists for the

white house, and you have never come across an analysis that you described as dishonest in the way that this is dishonest. explain what you mean by that. >> look, the jobs to do economic analysts and different economists will have different perspectives but each of the previous people in the job have taken positions that were well within what professional economists believed and argued regarding the effect of policies. and the claims here that you would see an increase of $4,000 to $9,000 in a typical family's income from a corporate tax cut are just outside the range of what the economics professors believes. even the people who have come down most squarely on kevin hassett's side on the op-ed page of the "wall street journal" come up with estimates far below the lower end of his range. so he's trying to help the administration politically, i guess. but the analysis is really of

remarkably low quality. that's why i chose to speak so critically of it. i've written critically and in disagreement with things that the bush administration did, various republican congressional proposals have tried to do, but the claims that this administration make that the tax cut will pay for itself, that the tax cut will raise incomes more than anything else that's happened in the country in many years, that the tax cut isn't skewed towards helping rich people, those are fake facts and i think they need to be called out as fake facts. is corporate tax reform a good idea? yes. will it have some positive impacts? yes. are the claims being made by the administration valid? i think not. is it corporate tax reform they're proposing well designed to help the economy and the middle class rather than be a

and i think they need to be called out as fake facts. is corporate tax reform a good idea? yes. will it have some positive impacts? yes. are the claims being made by the administration valid? i think not. is the corporate tax reform they're proposing well designed to help the economy and the middle class rather than be a giveaway to the very fortunate? i don't think it is well designed in that regard. >> basically, as i calculated it using some of your analysis, the tax cut if you work it out per american worker is about $1,300 per worker, and you say kevin hassett assumes that when you give $1,300 so every american worker in the form of a tax cut passed through by corporations, his or her wages will rise by $4,000 or even $9,000. that seems -- it's difficult to understand how that would happen.

>> yeah, look, i think what kevin hassett assumes is that when you give that corporate tax cut, you're giving it to corporations and that the corporations in response will decide to grow and that that's what will create the higher wages. the problem is that maybe the corporations will just keep the money and pay it out in the form of higher dividends or doing more re-purchases of shares. and even if they do grow somewhat, how much will they grow and in order to finance that corporate tax cut you're going to need to do something else like borrow money which is going to drive up interest rates and have adverse effects on the economy. so the idea that this tax cut is going to be enough to raise incomes by anything like the suggestion seems highly

implausible. >> you said that if kevin hassett had submitted his testimony or this proposal to you and he were a student at harvard in an economics course you were teaching, you would have failed the paper. do you stand by that? >> yes, i do. i would have failed the paper because it was egregiously selective in the use of evidence, because it didn't defend the plausibility of its conclusions, because the methodologies were very far from the state-of-the-art methodologies in economics, and because professional economic analysis is supposed to be analytical and objective rather than constituting a political brief. if i taught a course at harvard

in campaign management and somebody presented a paper like that as an example of what a presidential campaign political document would look like, i might have thought it was a pretty good political document making that case but what's always been special about the council of economic advisers is that it has stood heretofore for objective professional economic analysis, not the kind of stuff that campaign staffs produce or white house political staffs produce. what disappointed me about kevin's work was not that i had never seen any document like that before but that i had seen them only from campaign or white

house political staffs before, never with the imprimatur of the council of economic advisers. >> larry summers, good to have you on. >> thank you, fareed. next on "gps," meet the man who wrote the report that says the average american household will find an extra $4,000 under the trump plan. kevin hassett, the chair of the white house council of economic advisers, when we come back. we're invested in creating the world's first state-of-the-art drone testing facility in central new york and the mohawk valley, which marks the start of our nation's first 50-mile unmanned flight corridor. and allows us to attract the world's top drone talent. all across new york state, we're building the new new york. to grow your business with us in new york state, visit esd.ny.gov.

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summers say why he thought the council of economic advisers' analysis of its own tax plan is dishonest. well joining me now from the white house lawn is the man responsible for that analysis, kevin hassett. mr. hassett is chair of the white house council of economic advisers. thank you so much for joining us. >> great to be here, fareed. thanks for having me. >> so the heart of larry summers' contention is that the plan is dishonest because it claims that what amounts to about a $1,300 tax cut that is per worker per household somehow gets magically translated into $4,000 or even more that that by the alchemy of your analysis. what is wrong with his critique and why are you right? >> the critique is extremely incorrect and the fact is if you think that we did something wrong then you should accuse us of making an error but accusing us of being dishonest is not

becoming of a former treasury secretary. but let's get past the attacks and go to the substance. what larry summers did, he's on his fifth attack now and each one has been exposed as a horrendous blunder. the first is this point that you raised and the fact is that right now we have a corporate tax in the u.s. that has an enormous amount of dead weight loss and doesn't raise much revenue at all because the people are transferring their profits over to ireland, something you've talked about a lot over the years. right now we get almost no revenue because they create a job in ireland, drive wages up there instead of here. so this idea that you can compare the change in revenue to the change in wages has been exposed as a really critical blunder, economics 101 blunder by john cochran at hoover, by larry kotlikoff, people at to have universities that have exposed the fallacy of summers' very simple mistake and already a week later you're still talking about it here. it's been exposed as a mistake and you're still asking about it. i don't understand why.

let's go back to the substance of the proposal. >> none of them believe that the wage gains would be anything close to what you are estimating. >> that's false. why did you say that. larry kotlikoff said it's $3600 and we put out a study that estimated the wage impact from a host of studies. you can go back to page 24 of the study. let's think about why that's not a crazy number. real wage growth has been almost nothing over the last 8 years. in fact, it was only .6% while profit growth was 11%. wages come from higher human capital formation or higher physical capital formation and capital deepening in the u.s. dropped into a negative territory during the last four years of the obama administration for the first time in u.s. history. we're not getting wage growth because we don't have capital

deepening because we're chasing the capital overseas. this is econ 101. >> let's talk about the effect on the deficit. after the reagan tax cuts the national debt triple. if you look at what happened after the bush tax cuts, massive ballooning of the deficit. why isn't it the case that these tax cuts will follow the same path and explode the deficit? >> let's think about the things that we agree about, fareed, for a minute. you agree, right, that the u.s. has the highest statutory corporate tax rate in the developed world, correct? >> most companies don't pay that -- >> why don't they pay it? because they've moved the profits overseas. there was a national bureau of economic research study that estimated that more than half the u.s. trade deficit comes from overseas.

we have this high tax rate that they don't pay so why does lower the rate to encourage them to return the activity back to the u.s., why does that cause a deficit? it doesn't. it's illogical. >> would you stake your reputation on the notion that this tax cut will not increase the deficit substantially? >> i have to wait and see before i give a deficit estimate. there's literature that shows people move the money offshore. if we cut the corporate rate what will happen is capital deepening will go back to .8% per year and will drive up wages. if you do the math starting with incomes of about $83,000 for the average family, that .8% per year gets to this number relatively quickly. once you see that, once you do the math, you're going to see how ridiculous it is what these guys who used to be economists are saying about the cea's activity. it's obvious, very simple math.

there are lots of studies that confirm it and the people that are trying to poison the discourse by casting aspersions and so on are just trying to get your attention. i think that you're playing into the coarsening of discourse by giving them the attention rather than focusing on the facts. >> pleasure to have you on. >> great to be on. next on "gps," the crisis in catalonia and the strengthening secessionist movements around the world. how should we think about that? is this a good trend? an important conversation when we come back. time to open the laptop... ...and compare medicare health plans. why? because plans change, so can your health needs. so, be open-minded. look at everything-like prescription drug plans... and medicare advantage plans from private insurers. use the tools at medicare.gov. or call 1-800-medicare. open to something better? start today.

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crisis in catalonia, on friday the parliament voted 70 to 10 to declare independence from spain. minutes later they gave the spanish government broad powers to fire the president of catalonia and take control of the regional government. much has ensued since of course. this comes as iraqi fights for its own independence as well. what to make of these attempts

to break away. a distinguished politician and professional has studied these movements for years. welcome. >> nice to be here. >> what do we make of this standoff? it appears as though neither side is backing down. where will this lead? i look at these events with a sense of tragic forboding i have to say, fareed. it's going to require incredible judiciousness and restraint on both sides to avoid civil conflict, and this is a country that has known the horror of civil war. that's observation number one. so everybody suddenly has to avoid violence, and passions are extremely high on both sides. the second thing is that, yes, they voted for independence but

50 mps walked out, 10 of them voted against, and there are millions of people in barcelona and across catalonia who actually do not want independence. so there's a -- it's almost as if there is a minority of the population, a large minority that wants independence, and actually a majority, almost a silent majority that is extremely reluctant to go towards independence. these are kind of trapped majority. i think that's a source of great concern as well because it may push the independence minority ever further. so both sides are going to have to be very careful. i have a sense, having gone through the balkan wars with everybody starting to say let's keep it peaceful and they don't go that way. i pray it doesn't but that's my worry. >> why shouldn't a country secede or an area within a

country? you're sort of skeptical of these movements but i suppose somebody might ask why is slovenia allowed to secede? >> i think the dividing line in those cases is violence. when somebody is kept by force and when there's an imminent risk of uncontrollable violence, mass killing, you can begin to craft a case in that case in which secession, unilateral, simply to preserve the people from destruction or violence or violent death. but in catalonia, you're looking at the most prosperous part of

spain, a place that has powerful desires to preserve language, culture, to benefit from full autonomy here. i speak here as a canadian, fareed, and we went through a near death experience with quebec in the '90s. and the thing we learned about this is there should not be unilateral rights of secession. you have to negotiate the terms of your departure in all circumstances with the state from which you're seeking to exit. what's broken down here is any dialogue or discussion between the seceding party and the national state, and that's a recipe for conflict, violence and civil war. >> and you say that the greatest tragedy is that these movements force people to choose an identity, a single identity whereas in fact in life we all have multiple identities. we're both catalons and

spaniards, we have a religion and a nationality. >> i fear there are cardinal sins in politics and one of the cardinal sins is to force people to choose between parts of themselves. there are millions of people in catalonia who love catalonia, love the language, love the culture, feel deep attachment to it but do not want to leave spain. they are being asked to cut themselves in two here because a minority is determined to make everybody choose catalonia to the exclusion of all other identities. that's what i call a cardinal sin in politics. one thing we learned in canada, in quebec there's lots of people whose first loyalty was to quebec, to the french language, to culture, but they did not want to be forced to abandon that part of themselves that had a canadian identity.

that's why we survived, essentially, because people drew back from the brink and said let us not cut people in two. >> pleasure to have you on. >> pleasure, fareed, thank you. up next, the mona lisa, the last supper. my next guest calls them the most famous paintings in history. they both come from the same mind, the mind of a man who was also an engineer and inventor. walter isaacson on the great leonardo da vinci when we come back.

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benjamin franklin, albert einstein and steve jobs are all considered geniuses and walter isaacson has written wonderful biographies of them all. isaacson has now written a book about the original renaissance man, leonardo da vinci. this week it is a treat to hear from isaacson himself on what made leonardo so special. walter isaacson, always a pleasure to have you on. >> thanks for having me back. >> let's start with the mona lisa and that smile. you point out that it looks like it might just have been casually done. this was very painstakingly done over years with a lot of study. >> for 14 years he worked on that smile and it's the most

amazing combination of art and science because leonardo has dissected the human face. he's looked the every muscle and every nerve that touches the lips and whether the nerves come from the brain or spinal cord and even figures things out like you can move the bottom part of your lip alone but not the top part. all these things. he also has dissected the human eye and he realizes at the center of your retina sees detail. the corners of your retina see shadows and light. so when he paints the mona lisa smile, it's almost augmented reality because the tiniest details of the lips turn down but the shadows turn up. if you look at the cheeks or forehead, the smile lights up. it's an interactive thing that shows interemotion. this is to me why it's a culmination of everything he did. >> you talk about how he would write down in his notebooks the things he wanted to learn, and

there was an almost child-like curiosity. he says why is the sky blue. he asks all these fundamental questions that children often ask. >> we outgrow our wonder years. we see the blue sky in the morning and forget to marvel at we forget to say why do people yawn and worse yet, we knock that curiosity out of our kids and say quit asking questions. leonardo like einstein who also in his notebook wrote why is the sky blue? that ability to be curious, they wanted to know everything you could know about everything that could be possibly known about the universe including how we fit into it. it was such a noble endeavor, but one he found fine. he was an engineer by training. do you think he thought of himself as somebody who was a scientist? how did he think of himself? >> he probably would not have made that much of a distinction

between art and science or beauty and engineering. he is putting the copper ball on that dome in the florence cathedral. that's the beauty and engineering. the man or the self portrait of him standing naked in the circle and square. that's science and art connected. >> explain the science in that. >> he is trying, but he has two friends to do the exact proportions. if you look at this notebook, there is 230 measurements of the knee to the ankle, the chin to the lip. exactly how it works. it's a work of brilliant science. unlike his friend who is do it as a chart, he does it as a work of unnecessary beauty. the shading and the beauty of the man standing there. and it was partly to get the proportions of a church right. there is a spiritual quality to it and then a personal quality.

that's him standing on earth and in the universe saying how do we fit in? >> do you think there is a common theme in your books that you search for genius and try to understand it? >> i think i search for creativity and try to say what is it and how do we achieve it? in this book i try to distill not only the life of leonardo, but the last chapter, i try to distill from steve jobs and saying there is 25 lessons about how to be curious and how to be more observant and be open to wonder and take notes on paper. that's something they all did and we should go back to occasionally. to me, we know all these smart people. a often don't amount to much. that's the innovative person. i started with henry kissinger. the balances that he was able to figure out. the way to recreate a world

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donald trump's presidency is full of superlatives both real and imagined. here are some of the true ones. he is the oldest person elected president, the wealthiest, the first without any prior government or military experience, and as things stand now, he is the first president in the modern era not to own a pet. that brings me to my question. who was the last president to serve a full term without a pet at the white house. benjamin harrison, calvin coolidge, woodrow wilson or james polk? i have a movie for you, not a book. a fascinating one. it's set in the early 1960s. it is about a 17-year-old nun who tries to make sense of her world as vatican to transform the cattle lick church forever. >> i don't think you really understand. if we were to truly embrace all

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