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they should be looking at a lot of things. and a lot of people are disappointed in the justice department, including me. >> he also said he had no memory of the meeting in march of last year with foreign policy advisory panel at which george papadopoulos pitched a meeting with vladimir putin. joining me now is a member of the house intelligence committee. in terms of where we are tonight, in terms of this incredible week, is there any more clarity where this investigation is going, in your mind? >> well, the main thing is there's new energy in the investigation. so if you think back to ten days ago, my republican colleagues were already talking about trying to shut down the investigation because there wasn't enough there. this is despite don junior meeting, the firing of flynn, all that we know. then the bombshell lands with george papadopoulos, here's a guy pleading guilty to admitting

to lying about contacts he had with the russians for purpose of helping donald trump. so that of course raises all kinds of questions about what happened there, what the follow up was, but certainly gives new energy to all of the investigations in terms of finding out what happened. >> in terms of the investigation though, we're really only seeing a tiny, little tip of the iceberg here. >> well, that's right. i mean, and give bob mueller his due. he's kept that very much under wraps. we didn't know until paul manafort walked into the courthouse and until the fbi released george papadopoulos plea what was happening. >> was papadopoulos someone on your radar? >> interesting, he was on our radar, and we wanted to interview him and we ended up not interviewing him. that may have been on the part of department of justice. >> because he may have been cooperating. >> he certainly was cooperating at that point, because he's been cooperating for months. chapter 2, that and along there are sealed indictments still at doj, the fact that presumably paul manafort now that he knows what he's been charged with has incentive to come totally claim, something

that the administration has not done to date, about his contact with russians, if any. and of course the president wasn't wrong whether he said paul manafort's commercial dealings don't necessarily point to the campaign. but this guy has a long track record of working with pro russian entities and people in ukraine. so we're going to want to know whether there was any follow on. >> we learned yesterday carter page who gave hours of testimony, apparently told the committee that he had mentioned to jeff sessions at a meeting that, or in passing, that he was going to go to russia. are you willing to cut jeff sessions slack that this might have been something said in passing and not something that he should have remembered in his multiple testimonies? >> having been in the room when carter page said that, i'll tell you being in the room with carter page is really something. when the transcript comes out -- and the transcript will be out.

>> i've interviewed him it's been among the more unusual. >> it is. and without a lawyer and speak as freely as he did. >> he went on from my understanding more than six hours. >> yeah he was there pretty much all day. >> and didn't have an attorney? >> he didn't. he sort of played one on tv. he sat there for seven hours. i won't recommend anyone doing that. the transcript will be interesting in that regard. but to answer your question, just given the nature of carter page, and given the nature of these kind of receptions where you meet people, it's quite possible that there was a quick exchange. still, somebody who is a united states senator, who is a senior do you on campaign, when they are sort of speaking about any sort of contacts, it probably pays to be a good deal more careful than jeff sessions was ever on this stuff. >> as far as jared kushner and donald trump jr. are concerned, do you think you're getting closer to figuring out how they fit into this, if at all? >> i think so. one of the russian individuals in that room, and respecting the process, i don't want to get into details of what was said. but yes this was the first time on at least the house side we

got a first person account what occurred in trump tower when don had the infamous meeting to try to get dirt on clinton administration. >> thanks very much. joining us now is nobles. who's covering the president in hawaii. rinne, the president arrived a short time ago, what did he have to say? >> reporter: spoke briefly. and described this trip to asia region as very important. talked about the fact they altered his schedule a little bit. he'll stay an extra day in the philippines for the east asia summit. originally planning on only spending one day there. he described the second day as the more important day to reporters and that's part of why he decided to stay a little bit longer. also told reporters that he will represent the citizens of the united states well, and he also reminded reporters he's going to be spending quite a bit of time with them over the next couple of weeks. but this is a very important trip for the president. currently meeting with the pacific command right now getting a briefing with them what's happening in the region. then he will tour the uss arizona at pearl harbor and meet

with veterans there. he will head to tokyo tomorrow to begin the asia trip. anderson. >> the white house in the past has seemed to be pleased by the president's past foreign trips, they feel he's benefitted from that. in that sense, in some ways it could possibly distract from a domestic news cycle. is there expectation that will happen this time? obviously this is a very important trip for this president. >> reporter: you would think, anderson, and the president has performed very well in the past. but leading up to this particular trip he hasn't spent a lot of time talking about it, instead talking about the democrats and hillary clinton and talking about an election that's already taken place, and spent very little time talking about this trip. that could change now he's actually on the trip and meeting with many so of these very important foreign leaders, particularly when it comes to issue of north korea. this is something that the administration ranks as one of

its top priorities. going to be meeting with a number of the leaders in this region that are key to this particular issue. leaders from china, south korea, and japan. so the white house is hopeful that the president will walk away from this trip with some success, some measurable goals that they can point to to show that this trip was worth it for the american people. >> brian nobles. thanks very much. i'm going to bring in the panel. jeff, we've learned keith schiller is going to be testifying. this is somebody who obviously has been with not only president trump since the beginning but with donald trump when he was a citizen for a very, very long period of time. >> he's what's known as the body person. i mean he is the person who was with candidate, real estate developer donald trump and president trump for the first several months of his presidency. so to the extent that the investigators want to know who was in the room, he's going to be an excellent source for that. and he will also testify about what he overheard.

because there's nothing privileged about anything he heard. so he is going to be a very serious important person. >> this is someone obviously very close to president trump. i mean, he has to tell the truth or else if anything he says is contradicted, there's problems. but it has to be difficult for somebody being so close to somebody to then testify. >> absolutely. but this week of all weeks the week of george papadopoulos, is a week that you are reminded that lying to the fbi is a crime and one that robert mueller is highly willing to prosecute. so if you are inclined to shade things, in one direction or the other, i think the papadopoulos example is probably going to -- should steer you straight. >> michael, as someone who knows robert mueller, used to work with him, do you expect he'll want to speak to schiller? >> yes, and the communication director, he'll want to work with anybody in the inner

circle. we're moving in. we started with people no longer in the white house. now we're going to people in the white house, and then we'll get to key players, like trump eventually, and kushner and they'll be under oath and they'll have to tell the truth. >> and what most certainly the people will be asked about is the talking points, the set up for the response when donald trump junior's meeting in june of last year was disclosed. because mueller is obviously interested in whether a false story was put out. >> air force one discussion. >> correct. and all those people that we were just talking about, as i believe were on air force one and participants in those conversations. >> we have to take a quick break. we'll continue with the rest of the panel. also later someone at twitter pulled the plug on the president's twitter account and exactly what happened with that. we'll explain ahead. the next era belongs to those who help ensure the next energy to power our dreams, will be american energy.

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we also know at the same time russia was attacking our democracy, several high level associates of donald trump seemed to be in regular communication with these russian spies. we also know that donald trump allies and associates, folks like paul manafort or donald trump junior or jared kushner or jeff sessions or michael flynn were all untruthful about their contacts with russia. and so the real question is, is just one big coincidence? or something more insidious that was involved? and the american people deserve answers to those questions. i'm confident that bob mueller will get to the bottom of it. but you have to wonder, anderson, why were so many folks closely associated with donald trump disingenuous, less than forth coming about their communications with these russian individuals when russia was attacking our democracy? >> bryan, do you think it's fair to say that? >> let me first correct one

statement. you said 17 agencies attempted to influence our election. they didn't say it influenced a vote. so it's great to be clear with that. >> i did say they interfered with our democracy to elect donald trump, and that was the premises. >> they certainly attempted. and i think it's up to debate if that attempt was effective. now what we know is as this investigation goes forward, you know, i'm of a different opinion. i think it's actually coming close to an end. you're now getting to the president's inner circle, you start outside, then you're going in. there is not that many people for mueller to interview going forward. you not 20 years of documents for mueller to review. you are talking about six month span of documents from campaign, year and a half. >> you think he's only focused on the campaign? >> no, probably focused on obstruction of justice as well. but if nothing took place in

the campaign, obstruction of justice is irrelevant. if there is no collusion that took place. we can look at the facts only one campaign that hired a foreign national that colluded with the russians, that's clinton campaign. we have a lot of conjecture and with what we've done and people have tried to muddy the waters but getting close to the end and confident when the end approaches no demonstration that any collusion took place. >> michael, is this the beginning of the end? >> no, i don't think so. maybe the end of the beginning. but i think there are three broad areas that mueller has. one is financial crime generally. and manafort represented the first step in that. >> and you are talking about not campaign related going back however long? >> correct. so you have manafort representing step one in that. probably flynn in step two of them. then they're going to look at the trump business empire and the kushner business empire and maybe cohen. so crime stuff maybe connected, maybe disconnected. then you have obstruction of

justice. that's the only work stream. that's why the guys are relevant. then you have the broader conspiracy to interfere with the federal election and the conspiracy to acquire and disseminate stolen base, that's and anayltica stuff and roger stone stuff. and the peter smith stuff and all that stuff that still hasn't been clearly analyzed in mueller's sort of determination about whether or not a crime has been committed. so i think that's wishful thinking, and maybe on the pure simple collusion point maybe they are closer. >> alice, do you see it toward -- >> i think we are beginning to scratch the surface. i agree with jeffrey, what mueller did intentionally with the charge against george papadopoulos was, look, you can't lie to me. you're not going to get away with providing false statements. and as the inner circle gets closer and they start to be questioned, they understand mueller's serious when he's

asking these questions and he wants them to be truthful. i think it's important we are following the money trail now things that happened before the campaign. but the real crux of what people are focused on is russian collusion and that's where we need to find out in the meeting back in march what did george p have the authority to do, did the president go along with it. here's what we do know happened, i've talked with j.d. gordon, he was in that meeting. and he said, look, this young kid who was on the foreign policy team, he brought this up, tried to suggest the meeting between the president and vladimir putin, jeff sessions says absolutely not. that was shut down. it never came up again. but he took it upon himself to go around their backs and go to other people in the campaign to try to get this going. so right now what we are seeing is younger people, they were not volunteers, these were unpaid people that were advisers on the foreign policy team between gorge p. and carter page. but who gave them the authority to move forward with these conversations? that's the question.

that's the crux of whether or not there is any kind of russian collusion. right now i just don't see it. >> abby? >> i think one of the fascinating questions about george papadopoulos is why he was kept in the campaign circle even while he was free lancing and doing all of this stuff. i think that's a really important unanswered question. the fact that he was working with federal investigators for three months after his arrest is also an important data point. and i think we should remember the may 7th trial date is pretty far from now. it's about seven months into the future. a lot is going to happen during that time. and i think, contrary to bryan's hope, i think alice is right, this is not the end. this is just the beginning. because we have a lot of investigation that's left. and, frankly, i don't think that the mueller team has been leaking profusely about what's going on. we didn't know who was being indicted until monday morning. and so there is likely a lot of

investigation happening. we don't know how cooperative papadopoulos was with the investigators. and there are others, people like carter page who seem very eager to talk to any and everybody. >> that's an under statement. but, michael, you think it's actually possible that flynn has been flipped? >> he's been quiet for a long time. and he has, i think, and jeffrey can tell me if i have it right or wrong, he has very similar problems to manafort except the source of his funds is from turkey. and i think that if he looks at the manafort indictment and says i didn't do right by my registration. i have the additional failure to do my sf-86 financial disclosure form correctly. i have income that i probably didn't declare on my taxes and i may have more issues for accounts held overseas more than $10,000. >> and he has a son who's also in the cross hairs. >> and the reason that he has the imperative to cooperate is he's got a son. >> we have to take a quick break.

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breaking news on what carter page told the house intelligence committee. "new york times" has it. joining us by phone is a times correspondent who share it is by line. this is interesting. what's your reporting?

>> reporter: we are reporting that he told the house intelligence committee that he did indeed meet with russian government officials. this was after the repeated questions that were posed to him by the committee. and that he met them during his july 2016 trip to moscow. as you pointed out he's done numerous interviews including your show and "new york times" but never admitted to having any direct contact with russian government officials. >> right. he always says he was flown there on economy seats by this university in order to give the commencement or i think it was a commencement address at this russian university and only met with scholars. so this would be a pretty significant change in his story if he's now saying, oh, yeah, i mean there was always questions like, well, scholar in russia, is that somebody who may be somebody who has connections with the kremlin or intelligence services? but he now has said to the committee that he did in fact

meet with -- was it more than one government official? do you know? >> it's unclear. when i spoke to him earlier today he did indicate that there were more than one official and including one who was he said senior. but identities are still unknown. some of this emerged during the committee hearing yesterday when he was presented with an e-mail he had sent to the campaign after the trip sort of saying he had meetings with officials and government business executives and legislatures, and these were sort of his in sites from the trip. so this came in partly because of production in e-mail in the course of the investigation. >> do you know who he had sent the e-mail to in the trump campaign after the trip? >> we don't know that yet. >> this is from my memory with him, i think somebody on the campaign he had asked for permission if it was okay to go, and he had been given permission

as long as he wasn't representing himself as part of the campaign. >> right. and there has been a lot of scrutiny of this trip. and a lot of different stories about the trip. and it's been really unclear. it's been hard to pin down exactly what happened and who he met. and what became of it. and so i think this was significant because it is the first time that he's acknowledging that he did meet with russian officials. but there is obviously more to learn. >> mark, i appreciate the reporting. fascinating. another detail. back now with the panel, jeff. >> could we just step back and ask, how many members of the trump campaign met with representatives of the russian government? george papadopoulos. carter page. donald trump junior. jared kushner. paul manafort. jeff sessions. what's going on? and as congressman jeffries pointed out, when asked about it, virtually all of them, let's

chair ta charitably say disaseemabled. why were they all meeting with russians? and why not tell the truth? >> he's right. the legal process will run its course. but the reasonable american can ask the question, why were so many high level members and associates of the trump campaign meeting with russian governmental officials at the same time they were attacking our democracy and then lied about it? and let's take a step back and catalog the individuals who were involved. paul manafort, the campaign chairman. michael flynn, the national security adviser. jeff sessions, the attorney general. donald trump junior, the son. jared kushner, the son-in-law. carter page, a foreign policy adviser. and of course there is the ever lovable roger stone who was involved in a variety of

different ways in telegraphing that something was coming at the clinton campaign. these are all extremely close trump associates who have been disingenuous about their communication. when donald trump continues to maintain nothing happened. it's all a hoax. >> well, michael. >> why can't they come clean? >> is it possible, you and i have talked about this before, there is another explanation to this? again, this is all just -- that -- i think you and i have talked about this. the idea that trump didn't expect to win and was looking for possible future business dealings and jared kushner and manafort also had financial interests in maintaining contacts with russia? that a lot of these people had, carter page you could argue as well, i guess george papadopoulos as well, would have had some -- even if he wasn't going to become president, it wouldn't hurt to continue business in russia? >> i think actually at the outset a lot of the outreach to russia was business driven. trump wanting his hotel. and trump getting money from russians when no one else would

lend money to him. don junior gave a speech in high end properties in new york, russians were their source of funding. they have a lot of russians living in trump tower. there was a lot of financial motive. manafort had financial motive, flynn had financial motive. and i think perhaps as we moved into april, may, june, in this key summer period when things are looking a little better for them, they are thinking, well maybe we have a chance here. what is our sort of october surprise? what is it that we can do that will put us over the top that can't be responding to? and i think the dirt/hillary e-mails was that which they latched onto. and i think it was a fevered pace to try to acquire that information in order to take them politically where they didn't start -- >> in fairness, what you just outlined, there is not evidence for that yet? >> no, it's a theory. >> there may be. but let's stick to what the facts are. that's a theory.

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the "new york times" correspondent talking about carter page's testimony before the house intelligence committee and how his account of who he met with differed than what he'd given publically. look at what he told me back in march. let's first start with what you said last month. you said to judy woodruff, she asked you did you have any meetings with russian officials you said no meetings you repeated it three times. we just played that. then last night you say to chris hayes you do not deny at a talking to russia's ambassador at a conference at the republican national convention over the summer. that sounds like you were misleading to judy woodruff. >> anderson, a great analogy is you and i were members of

the same health club here in new york previously. and i remember walking by you, even though we didn't know each other, and i said hi anderson. and you said hello. and a nice little exchange for half a second. now does that to you constitute a meeting? >> well, i guess we have met. but it's not a meeting. >> exactly. thanks a lot. so i mean that's -- i'll not talk about anything that happened in off the record meetings. there's plenty of people in washington i know -- >> but when judy woodruff said did you have any meetings last year with russian officials in russia or outside russia? you could have just said, well, i -- you know, i did attend a conference, and was in a meeting with the russian ambassador at the republican national convention. because that sounds more like just saying hello to him. >> it was literally, you know, the amount of time you and i walked by each other, and greeted each other, it's about -- >> are you saying -- >> again, i don't talk about off the record confidential information. >> i think the public has a right to know about this health club meeting. >> i was not even aware of this

health club meeting. apparently he had introduced himself to me once. did not know that. >> but what the reporting is, that was about a meeting during the summer at the conventions. this is what he's now testified to and what he had denied on that same broadcast was that in his trip to russia he had only met with scholars, with professors, not with government people. he's now according to the reporting by "the new york times" has told that in fact he did meet with some government officials. >> this is the kind of thing that makes the white house nervous or at least ought to make some people in the white house nervous. when they see public things happen and it doesn't hit them directly, some say oh, it's fine. like paul manafort, you know, that's not related to campaign activity. but then carter page goes into a sworn testimony environment and says something completely different from what he has been saying in the public. and that's where the danger zone is in this situation. you have people who are going

into -- they are being sworn to tell the truth and they don't want to go to jail, so they are going to tell the truth. >> the key part too also is he was presented apparently by the house committee with an e-mail that he had sent back to the campaign describing who he had met with and what his perception of it all was. >> right. and who that person was still remains to be seen. but he did, as you know, and you've said, ask permission to go and they said you can't go as someone from the campaign, but feel free to go. and the concern for him, and i think the over all trump team should be in this "new york times" article, they say he has spoken with the fbi and has appeared before the grand jury, has his story changed? has he told them the same thing he told the house committee this week? if his story has changed that significantly we'll have a george p number two and that's not a good situation to be in. and if his story has changed, then i don't see any other outcome for him. >> does it matter if, i mean, carter page by his own, or i mean i don't know if it's true,

this is what he said in multiple interviews, including with me, is that he's never met president trump. he claimed in a press conference, why he had a press conference in moscow, i'm not clear, but reporters were asking him questions, because he was a campaign adviser, that he had been in meetings with donald trump. he then now claims he was using the term meetings in the russian definition of the term meeting meaning he went to i think a rally that the president spoke at. so he was in an auditorium with tens of thousands of other people and calling that being in a meeting with the candidate. >> that's what i call a meeting too. i went to a meeting with the new york mets this morning, during the game but i was like in the audience. >> it is equivalent. >> that's right. >> well, evidently you a meeting at the gym. >> i think what's important is we'll speculate who he communicated with, but what we do know from the testimony it appears he's telling the truth.

and that's an example anyone else going through any investigation that they be as truthful as possible. >> you got the impression from k carter page that he was telling the truth? >> this is under oath. >> oh, you mean judy woodruff is not under oath? anderson is not under oath? >> he's only responsible in the national committee. >> if anyone believes you have heard the last and final version of carter page, i think you are not paying full attention. >> right. he's the meaning of the person in this campaign. he keeps changing what a meeting is. >> way to bring up -- >> are you saying he learned from bill clinton? >> could have. >> we'll take a quick break. new details tonight on the dnc chair's claim that the primary election was rigged. we'll hear from campaign manager robby mook next.

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tonight we are learning new details on claims that the democratic primary was rigged in hillary clinton's favor. this all comes from donna brazile in a book that benefited clinton. tonight cnn obtained a copy of that fund-raising agreement. the document does not give the clinton campaign out right authority to make staffing

decisions for the dnc but does give her a say in some positions. as all this news was breaking i spoke to campaign manager. who spoke out for the first time since the allegations came to light. here's part of what he said. the memo says your campaign got to weigh in on who the communications director was before the general election. was that fair? >> well, first of all, i understand i just want to underscore breanna said. first of all when the dnc approached both campaigns about a joint fund-raising agreement, they were broke. they weren't going to make payroll and not be able to transform money. they were in a bad place. both the sanders campaign and the clinton campaign signed joint fundraising agreements so we both thought it was a good thing to sign up for. only difference is sanders didn't raise money and we did. >> my understanding is that communications position actually had to be filled even before the primary races? >> that's correct. this is a perfect example. >> so that wasn't just about the general election, right? >> no, it absolutely is.

the purpose of the dnc while a primary is going on is to hold republican candidates accountable. and there was nobody filling that post. it was a big problem. it was something that any democrat should have been worried about. that's why if you look in that memo we set a date where by they have to hire somebody because we were distressed there was no lead voice out there speaking out against donald trump and ted cruz and everybody else. >> clearly jeff weaver and the sanders campaign believed things were rigged against them? >> here's what i'll say about this. politics is politics. people have to go out there and say what they need to say. i think it is dangerous to say that this contest was rigged. for the following reason. >> because elizabeth warren is also saying that as well. >> and elizabeth warren and bernie sanders are important members of our party. they are an important part of our politics. we can't make the case to working people in this country that we are going to be -- that we'll stand up for them and fight for them if we are fighting each other. we can't do that.

hillary clinton won this primary with almost 4 million votes. that's a bigger lead than barack obama had over her when she lost and conceded in 2008. the idea that the dnc could rig a contest, frankly, is laughable. and here's the last thing i'll say. the caucus contests within the larger primary are the contests that are run by the party. the primary elections are run by secretaries of state. those contests, the caucuses that were run by the party, bernie sanders won overwhelmingly. so if we look at what the party actually managed in this process, bernie sanders won this contest. i think we only one three of them and barely won iowa. so evidence to back it up. it's convenient. people want to be angry what's going on. >> back now with the panel. what do you make of this? >> i think -- i covered hillary in the campaign and this is an issue that has doinggged her fo

long time. i think you kind of have to separate a couple of things. there is this document that donna brazile referenced. which it's not exactly as she characterized it, and does give the clinton campaign the ability to make certain demands. but i think the more important thing is the money. the reason that document exists is because the clinton campaign said, yes, we are going to fund the dnc through these joint committees. and bernie had a great committee but didn't use it, the clinton campaign did and that gave them a lot of power over the institution. i don't think the document itself really tells us much about how that power was wielded. it might have been explicitly or because they said we have to hire a communications director. but i think the underlying questions that a lot of bernie democrats have is what are the ways in which the clinton campaign controlled the dnc? any efforts within the dnc to help bolster her standing in the primaries? >> i have to point out -- point at donna brazile, she is through someone that doesn't work at cnn

has access to one town hall question and sent an e-mail, which we know from wikileaks, to someone in the clinton campaign to give them a town hall question. which is completely unethical. not doing that for bernie sanders. >> i would be surprised clinton campaign operated without ethics? they've been doing it for the whole time. these are things they purposely put their thumb onto help hillary clinton. >> bryan this is why it's important -- >> let him finish. >> they wanted the votes of the progresses but didn't want their voices and that's the problem. >> it's wonderful to hear trump campaign officials talk about the voice of progressives needing to be heard. >> i think they're an important factor. >> i know. >> we won michigan for the lack of progress vote. >> michigan because we appealing to working class people. >> congressman jeffreys?

how do you see it? >> first of all, i have great respect for donna brazile and she's done a lot for the democrat party and progress politics. it's obviously a messy situation in terms of what happened or may have happened in 2016. and we need to figure out what occurred, why it occurred, and how do we prevent it from happening again. i think that will be important to try to bring about closure. because we have too many important issues to tackle on behalf of everyday americans here, in washington d.c., and throughout the nation. and we cannot be successful in the midterm elections if we are fighting amongst each other. when we have a president, donald trump, that many of us believe is an existential threat to our values and our democracy. >> does anyone believe the dnc did not want hillary clinton to be president? >> that's clear. we see the takeaway from what donna has written this was not an ethical fundraising agreement. there were certain stipulations put in it that would help

hillary clinton, that weren't there for bernie sanders. but at the end of the day the reason this was done, the dnc was in bad financial straight straits they needed in flux of cash and hillary clinton was in position of to do it. that's how the jfa benefitted her. the takeaway from donna it was unethical, but no way did dnc i find that hard to believe. if they're coordinate winning fundraising, that is the a finger on the scale. >> this is actually the document. it gives hillary clinton the right to participate in the naming of the director of communications for the dnc. can anyone here at this table name anyone in history who's been the director of communications for the dnc? this is a minor job, an unimportant person, and the fact that she got a voice, not even the chance to name them, but it's so minor. what advantage does she get? >> the jfa is not in and of itself an unethical agreement.

bernie signed an identical jfa, they just didn't use it. so they had no financial leverage over the institution. i also think there are a lot of democrats who believed that at the top people like debbie wasserman schultz were clinton supporters and wanted her to win. the jfa itself, i think that agreement is in and of itself pretty boilerplate. they did it in 2012, bernie did it in 2016. >> why does donna brazile say -- >> i think this is exactly why there are a lot of people raising questions about the conclusion that donna came to. i think the facts out there, you know, it's sort of weird that they would agree to do this separate agreement which is not the jfa, by the way. it's sort of weird that they

would agree to do this separate agreement, which is not the jfa, by the way, this separate agreement. i don't see any clear evidence that that separate agreement led to tipping the election. it's just not there. >> and i think we have to separate things. so you had the process and what was taking place underneath the roof of the dnc, and that's one thing. but you've got primaries and caucus in 50 states, and our election rules provide that those primaries and caucuses are largely run on a state by state by state basis. and there's no evidence that the dnc reached in artificially shaped the results. bernie sanders won some states. hillary clinton won more. bernie sanders won some caucuses. hillary clinton won some caucuses. there's no evidence that there was any outside interference in the actual electoral results. >> i just find it funny. i mean, you know, half an hour ago you were saying that the russians change the votes to help it for president trump. >> that's not what i said. >> you implied it. >> no, no, no. >> there's an ongoing criminal investigation by someone who is well respected by democrats, republicans -- >> i just think it's funny they're talking about there was no votes changed because of this agreement in the democratic

party. here is what happened is the democratic party shut out bernie sanders voters, the reason bernie sanders didn't -- >> how did they do that? >> they didn't encourage the debates. they limited the debates -- >> that doesn't stop anyone from voting. you said -- >> no. i said scourge -- >> because they had a debate on saturday. >> don't you want access, don't you want a debate? don't you want a winning of the policies of ideas or do you want to have nothing? >> if you want to -- >> they shut out -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> they absolutely shut down the process for bernie sanders voters. they absolutely did. >> by having a debate on saturday is shutting down the process? >> they are limiting who can participate. we both know that the activity is driven from debates. people are watching debates. they realize there's an election around the corner. >> i find your sympathy for bernie sanders voters so touching. [ overlapping speakers ] >> bernie supporters were always more enthusiastic than clinton supporters for a vast majority of the campaign. it's hard for me to believe

there was an effort to suppress their support for bernie. >> also as the polls we want on, the more time she spent away from the camera and out of the limelight, her poll numbers went up. from the dnc standpoint, the less they could put her and him in the spotlight because he did well when more people saw him, more people warmed up to him, more people wanted to vote for him. they wanted to keep shut out. >> coming up, the 11 minutes of sirens heard around the world. the "ridicu-list" is next. nowt lower prices -- every day. brought to you by 1200 workers in boston -- we're proud of giving you our best. gillette. the best a man can get. i kept looking for ways to manage my symptoms. i thought i was doing okay. then it hit me... managing was all i was doing. when i told my doctor, i learned humira is for people who still have symptoms

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okay? now, i don't need 37 pieces of flare to do it. all right? there's my flare, okay? and this is me expressing myself. okay? there it is. i hate this job. >> for a spectacular quits in real life there was, of course, the flight attendant who had finally had it with rude passengers, grabbed a few beers from the beverage cart, deployed the evacuation slide and slid right out of there. then there was the shift manager who quit after being denied the fourth of july off after working 22 straight days. smiley face is kind of a nice touch. and who can forget the reporter in alaska who quit live on the air to pursue her passion of medical marijuana advocacy. >> and as for this job, not that i have a choice but [ bleep ] it, i quit. >> all right. we apologize for that.

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>> was he in the middle of the country? what job was he quitting out in the middle of the forest? so to the twitter employee who on your last day did whatever was possible you earned the all time quit stories and the "ridicu-list". that's it for us. time to turn it over to don lemon. cnn tonight starts right now. this is cnn tonight. i am don lemon. and this has been a week of one big revelation after another in the russia investigation. so many that you may have trouble keeping track. though it all -- through it all the white house are denying, deflecting and distracting here. but don't for a moment lose sight of everything that has happened in just the past five days, because the facts do matter here. so let's go through the facts first. okay? monday morning we learned that former trump campaign chairman paul manafort and his deputy rick gates were indicted on 12 counts. their trial proposed for may 2018,