on the church shooting. see you tomorrow. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >> so would your viewers in the united states and around the world, this is "new day," but we are facing a horribly familiar tragedy. it is monday, november 6, 6:00 in new york, 5:00 a.m. here in sutherland springs, texas, 26 lives lost. 20 others hurt. a gunman opening fire with a military-style rifle at a baptist church during sunday services. t he apparently would spare no one. the youngest victim was 5 years old, the oldest, 72. among the dead, the 14-year-old daughter of the church's pastor. eight people from one family alone affected. the scale here has to be considered. this this is a very small town.

just a few hundred people. we saw them come out last night for a candlelight vigil to remember the victims. a few hundred people population, this man affected such a huge slice of this community, and now it is reverberating across this entire country. what we know about the killer is that he was a veteran of the united states investigators do not have a specific motive about this but he was not from here reportedly and that is factoring into the investigation. the president weighed in from his trip in asia. he says he believes that this attack was caused by a mental health problem and insists it's not an issue with the nation's gun laws. he says we can talk about guns but now is not the right time. let's figure out what happened here. that's where we begin with the facts. and we have cnn's ed lavandera. he has the latest.

so talk us through it. what do we know about how we came to see this? it's about 11:00 in the morning, there at services. what happens? >> reporter: i think one of the interesting things to point out and look into is the gunman lives in new braunfels, 40 miles away. the question is why does somebody come 40 miles and pick this small little church in this small town to carry out this rampage? cnn is learning more about the man believed to have opened fire at this smath baptist church in sutherland springs, texas. law enforcement sources tell cnn the suspected killer is 26-year-old devyn patrick kelley. he was court martialed in 2004 for assaulting his spouse and

child. he served a year in prison and was discharged from the air force for bad conduct. >> we're dealing with the largest mass shooting in our state history. >> reporter: he began at around 11 a.m. sunday morning, he began firing from outside the church during sunday's service. he then entered the church and continued his assault, killing dozens. this video taken last sunday shows just how small the congregation is. the pastor's own 14-year-old daughter, annabelle pommeroy is among the dead. 18 were killed, including a pregnant mothers. at a nearby store, they report hearing gun shots ring out. >> we were flabbergasted.

>> reporter: sources say he legally purchased the ruger he purchased in 2016. he indicated he didn't have any disqualifying criminal history. police say a local resident confronted the gunman at the truc church. >> as he exited the church, the resident grabbed his rifle. >> reporter: the suspect fled the scene. >> the gentleman came to my truck as the shooter took off and he briefed me quickly on what had just happened and said that we had to get him and so that's what i did. >> johnny langendorf said the suspect lost control of his vehicle, crashed on the side of the road and that's where police found him dead inside his car with a gunshot wound. president trump reacted to the

massacre half a world away during a press conference with the prime minister. >> this isn't a guns situation. fortunately somebody else had a gun shooting in the opposite direction. this is a mental health problem at the highest level. >> reporter: now this small, tight-knit community comes together to remember those killed and hurt in sunday's carnage. >> there's so much love for one another. there's no room for hate. >> reporter: chris, we were out here last night, it was close to midnight and there was a family that walked across the street, distraught. we approached them to trying to figure out, get a sense what they were going through. they said that their daughter was missing and they had not had any contact. this was almost 12 hours after the rampage. the emotion and just how distraught they looked last night just really captured the pain and agony that so many people are here today.

>> ed, you and i have had -- as part of the job, we've been at a lot of these. we've never had this deadly a church situation. everyone will remember what happened in charlottesville. this of scale we haven't seen and the scale to this community. you have close to 50 people affected by the actual shooting, you only have 500 people here. it's like one in every ten people was affected as a victim, let alone their family and everyone who knows them. so the amount of devastation to these people is just unimaginable. it was good to see the governor show up here last night, put his arms around people, but they're all wondering why. and as we know, it's getting hard to answer that question. it just is. >> safe to say that there is not a person in this town that is directly connected in some way to one of the victims, either who was killed or is recovering from the wounds today. >> ed, thank you very much. appreciate it. let's bring in our panel, get some expert opinion in terms of where they're looking here and how they're trying to move this

forward. we have james galliano, and jeff lanza. obviously, you've worked with the fbi and is now a professor. it's good to have you here to help us wrap our heads around this. we've seen too much of this but also nothing anything like this. this number of people taken out during church services, this small of a community affected with this wide a swath of death this way, very hard for them and hard for the rest of us to figure out what to do in these situations, james. how does this -- when you're looking at this from the outside, how does it size up? nothing's calling it terror. i guess that's because they don't know what motivated this guy or whether it was a furtherance of cold-blooded evil or an janagenda. what are your questions at the

top? >> those are just definitions in distinctions. we know this was a depraved, evil human being. all too often, the last 35 days, chris, we've been in las vegas together, lower manhattan together and here 35 days from the attack in las vegas we have this incident happen. and after each of these, you've asked what thud shshould we be different. we talked about banning the bump stocks and two thanksgiving are so frustrating. if you go to the fbi.web site page, there are a list of prohibitions for people unable to own firearm. if you are discharged from the military, that precludes you from owning a firearm. this guy was discharged under a

bad conduct discharge. the distinction could be rape and murder versus assault, which is what he was guilty of. we've got to charge the loophole in the wake of this incident. >> james is talking about the 1968 act that brought in dishonorable discharge in disqualifying that person from owning a weapon. this is a step below that. definitions about bad conduct versus reprehensible conduct. the guy spent a year behind bars because of what he did, according to the reporting. so why wasn't that enough to qualify the way a felony would on the outside and why, more importantly in terms of the loophole, why was the system so dependent on his disclosure?

we keep seeing from law enforcement he didn't disclose he had any disqualifying record. obviously you can't depend on the person for the vetting. is this about whether the military or federal government uploads this information quickly enough or was this simply something that didn't qualify as a felony would on the outside? >> well, that's what's going to be examined right now. whether this could have been prevented, if that disclosure was vetted out, that's what they'll be looking into. unfortunately we're looking at these events and it's always what could we do to have prevented it. it's always after it happened. we need to tackke a broader vie. do we take someone's word for what's put on those applications and what can be be done to prevent someone like that from getting firearms. what can be done to prevent someone from driving a truck into a bike path? these things are happening and then we figure out what to do to prevent it but it's always

after. we need to take a much broader perspective now at all the way people can do these things and maybe what can be done to prevent them to begin with. >> you do have a little bit of a mystery in terms of what ed lavandera laid out about why did this man could to this town do this. he's not from here. really you wind up where the president is on this. it's not about guns, we with talk about guns but not right now. we know that the idea of not talking about it now, if you don't talk about it in the moment about why these things happen, what it speaks to about us as a culture, you don't see this in the world the way you see it here. you just don't. you can look at the numbers, i've had lots of firsthand experience. this is something that's almost uniquely american in terms of its frequency. and then he also checked the box the mental health, which is probably not going to be far off

the mark of analyzing where the guy was and was he spiraling down. it done account for that problem. >> i'm prior law enforcement, as jeff is. weir firm believers in its ult but this has got to stop. a big problem is just some of the incredibly insane loopholes that there are. in many states if you have a firearm and it is stolen, you are not compelled to report it. so the police and law enforcement can't even track it to know that that firearm is obviously in the hand of someone that shont have it. and secondly, chris, for many, many years, 40, 50 years ago, the way it was with separate states and their dmvs, if you had 50 speeding tickets in one state, all you did was cross the border and you had a clean record. we were able to start linking dmv. how in 2017, the 21st century,

can we not have these things linked together, mental health issues, as well as whether or not somebody got a bad conduct discharge for assaulting his wife and child and spent a year in the brig. chris, it's insane. >> well, look, it's at a minimum inefficient. the system donesn't always work the way it needs to. that's something that has to be addressed. we get it. politically people will say don't talk about it right now but what do you say to these families and this community? yes, it's a problem the way it happened. don't say it should have never happened because it does happen. of course it happens. that's the dilemma we're in, we seem to be powerful to stop it. people in church, listening to the gospel and here he is mowed down by a man who wasn't even from here. at the end of the day does it

even matter? we've never seen a community affected like this and let's try to understand their pain. our next guest unfortunately knew many of the victims in that church, including the pastor's 14-year-old daughter, annabelle pomm p pomeroy. please try to wrap your head around the scale of what we're dealing with. you got 500 people maybe in this town, and 50 affected by the shooting. it's 1 in every 00 people. i want to show you where we are in terms of this. let's be honest with one another here. of course we have to talk about this right now and we see the proof of that in what we lived through in las vegas.

we knew the bump stock was relevant to that, we got pushed off it by the emotional urgency of the situation. haven't heard of word of it since. look at the numbers. las vegas. new york city. i know that was terror but just try to keep your head in the same place of why people are motivated to kill in a way that we don't see in other places in this world. and then of course what we just lived through here, the worst we've ever seen in a church. app odd distinction to have to draw but meaningful in terms of this. gloria, thank you. i can't imagine what it is like for you to be living through this in such a small place where people are living with this. i'm sorry to meet you under these circumstances. >> thank you. >> what can you tell us about how the community is holding it together right now? >> they're in pain, hurting for all the victims, the families. there's no words to describe what everybody's going through.

it's been -- you think you're safe in the house of the lord but the devil never rests. he's everywhere destroying lives. who would have ever thought. that's the safest place to be. look what happened. we're never sure of anything. it can happen anywhere at any time but we never thought it would happen in a small community look ours. you hear about san antonio, austin, other big cities but never in a small town. it hurts. the pain is there. there's no words for these families, what hair going throug -- what they're going through. >> and that's not a vague familiarity. you knew people who were in that service? >> yes, i did. i was born and raised here all my life.

the morales family, we're all baptists, we're all christians. there are new members that i didn't even know. when i got married, i moved on to floresville and got me a church in floresville but these are my roots. we were born here and raised here, grew up with everybody. and i met pastor frank through my mother. i mean, he's just a man of god. >> now, he and his wife weren't actually at services yesterday but one of their kids were, their 14-year-old daughter was there. how are they dealing with the news? i saw the statement that the mother put out about it and the pastor saying she was a beautiful, special child. but for them to have lost their kid in their own church during service, how are they holding up? >> i haven't talked to them. i've heard that they're coping with this the best they can.

but i heard they just came in last night so to have to come in and face something like this, i can't even imagine. >> what do you tell yourself about why? >> i asked that question all anyway lon-- all night long. >> i ask why did this happen in our small community? only god has the answers. >> what do we need to do in times like these? >> we need to get stronger and pray. so much violence, so much hate all around. it's time we all get united and get closer to god and pray. there's too much hate in this world and there's no room for hate. >> i heard that you said that. and, look, that's hopefully

true, but every time one of these happens, i've never seen anything like this where it was at a house of worship, the town is so small so as a percentage this was so hugely impactful. >> exactly. >> and we get drawn to this conversation of what is wrong with us here because america i think makes a strong place it's the best place in the world. it doesn't happen in other places like it happens here. and this doesn't happen all the time and it's not a huge slice of our overall gun crime, that's true, too. but when you raise questions about, well, should this guy have gotten these weapons, what was in his head and in his heart? should people have been able to move in on this guy and help him if it was the fact he was depraved and moving into madness? in my head, having been around so many of you, you want those answers more than anybody else.

>> exactly. >> because you are the one who was just affected by it, for so many who are watching us, they're just questions of curiosity, they mean something on that level. >> they want those answers, too. what do you think? what should we do? not in terms of what's the policy? that's not what we're here to figure out but are we right to be asking about it, to be pushing, even if it's difficult and painful. >> we'll have a right to ask. we'll never get the correct answers, but we do ask. i'm sure everybody's asking why, why in a small town, why? and then i say why not? it can happen anywhere. but why in the house of the lord of all places. >> why did he come here? he's not even from here. >> i've never even heard of the

name. i've never seen him. ion anything about him, where he came from. somebody knows. somebody has to know because why would he come back to this small town? why did he shoot this town? >> and they'll get their answers but that doesn't mean it makes it less likely the next time. >> i know you have to live your life and ep the people who meat more yesterday should have been math ooh's readings and jesus talking about practicing what you preach sometimes you wonder if this was out there for a reason. maybe you do something to act on that, do something more than just say it. i don't know. we'll see what comes of it but you can never bring them back, that's for sure. >> and there is a message.

everybody pie we read the bible, god's talking to us. whether we take it or not, that's up to us. >> this community is god fearing and they just had the fear of god put in them by a very deranged man. let us know what we can do to help. thank you for being with us this morning. >> thank you. >> ahead on the show, we'll be fortunate to have the governor, kb kbof. >> there is a larger message. the idea of practicing what you preach, pfb an minds are going to be here in this small texas town today. but what do you do with that? how do you help?

the really tough questions, we've not come up with good answers but now we're presented with another horrible opportunity to think about it and act on it. we'll see what happens. it will be good to have the governor, to get his take on what it all means. >> chris, it's so good to have you there at the scene to have this conversation with all of the people who are most affected and who will be having that conversation with the policy makers and lawmakers today about what's next. thank you very much. we'll be back with you very shortly. meanwhile, president trump says he's monitoring events from north korea. jeff zeleny is traveling with the president. give us the latest, jeff. >> reporter: it is that news from texas that is impacting and overshadowing some of his visit. the white house said he's not going to adjust his schedule as

he's hearing updates on the investigation, trying to stay in control of japan. >> the era of strategic patience is over. >> reporter: president trump delivering a stern message to north korea. >> some people said that my rhetoric is very strong. but look what's happened with a weak message, look where we are now. >> reporter: the president trying to sell japan on the plan to bolster its self-defenses. >> he will shoot them out of the sky when he completes the purchase of lots of additional military equipment from the united states. >> reporter: japanese prime minister shinzo abe saying it's not time for talks again north

korea and president trump exprebsed hope i think would be something very special. >> amedical somber themes, the two leaders also managed to look upbeat. the munched on hamburger, played nine holes of golf. signs of tensions emerged over trade, plchlts trump insisting any deal be free, pair and rei don't know if it's as good as ours, i think not. okay? and we're going to try to keep it that way but you'll be second. >> reporter: president trump heads to seoul, he'll also stop at vietnam and the philippines. he faces record low approval

ratings back home. a new poll shows nearly 6 in 10 americans disapprove of how he's handling the presidency. so the president right now this evening here in tokyo is at a state bank wet with the jans prime minister. the president oaf the picked that he does intend to meet one on one with russian president vladimir putin at an economic summer there. that is likely to bring many headlines and interesting discussion because so many republicans attached to his campaign still consumed and worried about that russian investigation here. that is one of the many things competing with the attention here to his first visit as president to this region. >> jeff, thank you very much for all of your reporting. we'll check back throughout the program. let's bring in our cnn political analysts to talk about everything that has talkedhappe

the last 24 hours. let's talk about the horrible attack in sutherland springs. police say they are at the very preliminary stages of this investigation. but the president had sized it up. let me play that for both of you. >> i think that mental health is your problem here. this was a very -- based on preliminary reports, very deranged individual, a lot of problems over a long period of time. we have a lot of mental health problems in our country, as do other countries, but this isn't a guns situation. i mean, we could go into it but it's a little bit soon to go into it but fortunately somebody else had a gun that was shooting in the opposite direction, otherwise it would have been much worse. but this is a mental health problem at the highest level. >> so i guess that means what,

john, we just live with it? this is our new normal? >> there will be some folks who argue that. there will be some folks who say we need to increase funding for mental health issue. this is a mental health plus access to guns issue. the president speaking in japan. japan had one gun death last year. let me say that again. japan had one gun death last year. we've had 60 times that multiple in four weeks. this is an american issue because of our gun laws and even when members of law enforcement are saying we've got a problem, even when they're's strong support of the second amendment, to deflect that and deny that is politics at its worst and an abdication of moral leadership. >> it's so irresponsible that we can never talk about it, now is never a good time to talk about it and when we talk about it, we have to just focus on mental

health. contrast this to the president's reaction after the madman mowed down eight people on the bike path. he didn't talk about that being a mental health issue. he had a policy change. he suggested getting rid of the diversity policy change. >> this does not -- you've seen the president take various steps to limit immigration to this country. so one is a convenient fit, the other one is not a convenient fit. you know, he's not unique in lawmakers and various politicians that are say, you know, we don't want to talk about gun control. i think the las vegas was actually an aberration in that people were so shocked by the bump stocks, people were caught off guard -- >> just one question, bump

stocks, every agreed. that turns a horrible situation into a killing field and an even bigger massacre. it's been 35 days. what's happened to bump stocks? >> that's a good question. it's not resolved in any sort of legislation or any sort the of of change. we're almost going a little built become wards from that point. you my instead we going back to a place where we talking about mental health very generally right now. we could talk about the discharge this guy received, we could talk about domestic battery and be much more specific than just mental health. it's kind of like pulling it back and smoothing it over again. >> but i think the important point is in the wake of las vegas, we did have consensus monk democrats and republicans about this narrow issue, bump stock. >> then what happened?

>> i don't and we forget and so nothing gets done. >> we have forgotten a lot. that's what chris murphy, democrat of connecticut said. "my heart breaks for sutherland springs, just as it still does for las vegas and charleston and aurora and newtown and chicago and baltimore and bridgeport. the terrifying fact is that no one is so long obs well, i mean, that's just part of the last there, this somebody that i know on twitter put up yesterday when it was the late 90s when columbine happened and 13 people were unthinkable, that's not even registering that much.

and so he's right that this is going on and on and on, the more you notch up these episodes, the more shocking it is and yet also the more numbering it becomes because people are getting so used to this. think about the frequency in just the last month or so, you have las vegas, new york and now this. it's becoming an almost every other weekly sort of occurrence that we're watching on rel pi pigs they heard close observer say if we couldn't get something done with 89% approval after the deaths of children in newtown, what can we do? yet this happens in the heart of texas, in a church. that's the unspen well, more children have been murdered and

we have a responsibility not to do everything but to do something. let's take a step forward where there is consensus, let's build contents us, let's unleash -- >> on a separate note, let's talk about another revelation that's come out this weekend. commerce secretary wilbur ross, it now seems, did not shed his ties or at least disclose them that he was involved in a shipping firm controlled by a russian oligarch. this is new information for investigators and he did not think that was relevant to disclose during a confirmation or whatever when he was being named this. >> if i'm not misremembering, i think the oligarchy question is putin's son-in-law and that makes it more of this large.

>> this doesn't look good for the commerce secretary and continually have more connections drawn and because of the way the disclosure forms were put out, congress couldn't or didn'tit's not something you'll just forget in a congressional hearing. >> thank you very much for our conversation. 26 people killed in a massacre the a small texas touch

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sutherland springs, texas, and it is being tested. this is the site of the latest mass shooting in america. 26 people were murdered here. 20 others were hurt. a gunman opening fire with a military-style rifle. you've heard that story many times before, but this one was in a church during sunday services. we've never seen this type of death. yes, we were just in charlotte and we know what happened there in charlottesville, but not of this scale. we don't know the motive yet. we haven't been able to get that deep to it but already we're in all too familiar a place. this time the youngest victim was 5 years old, the oldest was 72. the murderer, a veteran of the air force. he assaulted his wife and child and yet that didn't qualify as something that should have restricted him from getting a

weapon. why? that's one of the questions about how we do better in these situations but this comes just five weeks after the deadly rampage in las vegas and just days after the deadly truck attack in new york city. we see a lot of death and a lot of intent to kill in this country. 92 americans have been killed and more than 500 hurt in just these three events combined. what do we do? how do we heal here? how does this community go forward? you only have about 450 here. you have about 10% of the population directly affected by this mayhem. joining us now is pastor from the neighbor community, pastor mike clements. he's with the first baptist church in floresville, texas. pastor, thank you for being with us this morning to try and provide some perspective. god forbid this were ever to affect your congregation, but what do you say even tho the

faithful when you see an act of pu pure evil like this? >> there are things you don't understand, even when you're a christian and a person of god. people make terrible decisions, chris. jesus never promised us he would keep us away from the storms but he did promise us he would take us through the storms. many of these people have lost loved ones but one thing they have not lost is their faith. they are continuing to trust in god. and right after this horrific event, god got in the middle of this thing by people coming together and praying for each other and helping each other. i was so overwhelmed by the mosaic of the doctors and nurses at the hospital who were helping

people who had been shot and trying to keep them alive. it was amazing to watch them. it was amazing to watch the people who came to the hospital to pray. this was amazing to watch all last night as we were at river oaks baptist church and the pastor opened the church there for all the victims and all the family and all the pastors and counselors who came to stand shoulder to shoulder to pray with these people. and it was a great encouragement for the governor of texas to be there in the community center and he challenged our resolve to trust in god. in fact, he said, quote, god almighty and he shared his story of being a paraplegic and being in a wheelchair. so god is working. romans 8:28 says for all things for those who love god and called according to his purpose,

god can get in the middle of what's going on right now and help these people but these people have faith. >> so if there is a motivation, you cannot expect the people of this community to carry the burden by themselves. the gospel they were listening to was matthew 23, practice what you preach. obviously it was an exhortation of leaders to get in and do the work of what the gospel demands. you know what these situations bear politically, why it's seen as distasteful to see what has happened. i don't know how you serve. this is a secular country. say you do believe in divine motivation. motivation to do what? the governor is here to put his arms around people and that matters. he's going to be on the show this morning and we're happy

he's taken the opportunity. this happens more here than in other places, i've seen it. i've never seen this scale of people getting hit, only a few hundred people, at least 10% of their population directly affected. it's heart breaking on the deepest order. but the president says this was a depraved man. let's say he's right. we never change anything about that system. he beat his wife and kid and he was in the jail, can they change that. do something as an exercise of your faith. god is not supposed to do everything for you, he's most to motivate you to be better. love them up, show them that face is -- but what is he supposed to do? what do our leaders do so there there is not another god forbid

here? is that part of our action in the command of faith? >> i don't have an answer for you. >>and i'm not asking. >> what we're dealing with as christians is the civil court. when jesus said turn the other cheek, love your enemy. he's talking about civil, personal relationships. and our job is to respond to hate with love and forgiveness. >> not easy. it's not easy. >> and we need god's help to do that. >> there's no question. look, you mo means have got to be in the last ten years, pastor, we've seen more than these than they ever. it's not just about the gun. but there's something in the hearts of men here all too often

and we see it play out. just being mentally ill doesn't mean you want to be a murderer. i appreciate you coming on to speak of the love that's supposed to be in our heart. pastor, thank you for trying to help this community. they need everybody. >> back to you in new york. the governor rushed down here, put his arms around this community. he going to have to figure out how you lead in a situation like this. he took a big step by being here. what does he do after? we'll talk to him about it. >> we have other news to get to as well. republican senator rand paul is recovering from injuries. he has five rib fractures and bruises on his lungs after being assaulted in his home allegedly by a neighbor.

this is strange. what have you learned? >> it is really quite serious. this happened on friday just before 3:po 30 senator rand paul reported that his next door naub we don't know the motive behind it. he is' rested, as since be been rerest a late statement from the communications director saying he did have these fine rib fractures, as well as lung contusion, it would perhaps be weeks if not months because of

severe pain that he would not be able to participate in work and do not know when he's going to actually return. the senator tweeted out this morning along with his wife saying kelly and i appreciate the overwhelming support after friday's unfortunate event. thank you for your thoughts and prayer. this could have a felony -- we wish the senator a speedy recovery, finding themselves red faced in a new tell-all book by donna brazile.

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donna brazile and her new memoir in which she cleanse the dnc was effectively under the control of hillary clinton's campaign. brazile has a message to her critics. >> george, for those who are telling me to shut up, they told hillary that a couple of months ago, you know what i tell them? go to hell. i'm going to tell my story, george. >> joining us is hillary clinton's former campaign manager, robbie mook. good morning, robbie. >> good morning, alison. there a couple of jaw dropping excerpts from donna brazile's book. she claims the joint fund-raising agreement between hillary clinton and the dnc spes spied that in exchange for raising money and investing in the dnc, hillary would control the party's finances, strategy

and all the money raised. it was not illegal but it sure looked unethical. what do you say to this? people think it means the primary and lebs welection was and that it certainly want fair to bernie sanders. what do you think? >> thank you for the opportunity to talk about this. we were incredibly grateful to donna brazile for stepping up and taking the reins at the dnc in a critical time. the allegation she's making there simply isn't true. the arrangement in question has been released, it's out in the public, everybody can see it. the same thing was offered to both campaigns. the dnc was broke. they couldn't meet payroll, they were going to have to stop transferring money to state parties for its organizing

effort. both the clinton and trump campaign sign campaign raised fund. we had to put some guardrails in place. >> i understand but you guys did it first and it sounds like you took a much more active role in controlling the dnc than bernie sanders ever did. >> well, again, this is important. we signed an agreement with the dnc at the same time, both campaigns. at the time we signed the agreement, the dnc said to both of us, you can both if you raise money in have some say over how it was spent. we went ahead and started raising over how it was spent. best didn't. we're offered the the same thing at the same time and we just took them up on it. what's disturbing to me about this is hillary clinton stepped

up and literally saved the dnc. state parties were able to stay operational, keep organizers on the ground because of what she did. and, look, i'll be honest with you. i'm sure donna was under a lot pressure from her publisher to put this book out right on this election week, when we have critical elections happening around the country. i wish she just put her foot down and said no, i'm not going to release it around the elections. >> you're saying she's just trying to sell books and that donna is sort of being controlled by her publisher on this. >> i'm just saying i'm sure her publisher put her under a lot of pressure. i wish she just put her foot down and said, no, i'm not going to do this. what matters to democrats right now is convincing americans that we are going to give them a better deal than republicans. we need to be talking to voters in virginia new jersey about turning out to vote.

that should be the focus right now. and eare so grateful to donna and to all of us who understand, we're very puzzled. >> you're being very nice. i understand you're puzzled. you're giving her a pass for this tell-all book, these are her words. why do you think she felt so compelled to come out with what she said of the real story of behind the scenes of what was happening? >> i don't know. me and some of my colleagues, none of us physically have this book. we certainly don't recognize the campaign she described and also don't recall many -- i feel for the hard working staff in our state and in our headquarters. they worked 20-hour days on a

regular basis. >> you're saying you don't recognize what's in the book. >> it's fine to criticize me but don't criticize them. >> you're saying readers shouldn't trust what they read in this book? >> we don't recognize a lot of the situations and certainly the tone and tenor of the campaign. this was a hard working group of wonderful people. she claims that the leadership of the campaign was all male. i'll tell that you is absolutely false. and it's demeaning to our communications director, our digital director, chief operatori operating officers. again, stepped in oot a hard time. we love reend expect her but we need to be focused on turning out vote thers this week. >> back to our top story. another shooting massacre, this time during a sunday church service. we live in texas talking to a

woman who witnessed one of her neighbors confront the gunman. that's next.

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>> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. welcome to our viewers. you're watching "new day." alisyn is in new york and we are in sutherland springs, texas. you've probably never heard of this town, about 30 miles east of san antonio. it is a faithful community and it is in pain this morning. 26 people murdered, 20 others hurt, a gunman opening fire with a military-style rifle at a baptist church during sunday services. apparently he would spare number one, a 5-year-old killed, a 72-year-old killed, 14-year-old daughter of the church's pastor killed, eight people from one family gone. this is