three generations gone. not everyone in this picture were killed but eight members were killed. brian was the inlaws to danny and -- she was 17 months old. three of chris stall's other -- crystal's other children were also murdered yesterday. these families are in our thoughts and prayers, incomprehend bl loss for anybody to understand. they are in our thoughts and prayers tonight. anderson starts now. tonight with wounded victims still recovering from the nation's worst mass shooting we're now coming to grip with the nation's worst church shooting. to anyone who survived and lost neighbors in sutherland springs, texas the feelings are the same. 26 killed during church services yesterday. eight from a single family, shot by a man with a violent pass and

apparent fascination with mass shootings and grudge and of course with guns he should not have had. the military tonight is investigating that aspect, the possible failure to put the killer's information into a national database that could have kept him from acquiring firearms. cnn's alex in sutherland springs. we're learning more about the investigation, where does it stand? what do we know? >> reporter: the department of public safety reef briefed a hart sometime ago, they say they have gathered substantial evidence. an all was carried out today and the shooter was struck with three rounds from what they're calling a citizen shooter and one from the authorities. we have heard from them repeatedly that this was rooted in a domestic dispute that the gunman had an issue with his

mother-in-law. she did not attend yesterday, the authorized believe it is bigger than that. take a listen. >> you did it to kill the mother-in-law. >> more many ways he could have taken care of the mother-in-law without coming with a 15 magazine assault rifle to the church. >> he had 15 different magazines, each contain some 30 rounds. that's 450 rounds. when asked how many was left over, he said none. this was a mission the shooter was likely never supposed to be allowed to carry out.

when he was in the air force on 2012 he was convicted on two counts of domestic assault on his wife and stepson. he was sentenced a year. and he was never entered into what was phone as the national criminal information center database, meaning by federal law he could have been prevented from purchasing or owning any sort of weapons. anderson, the defense department say that they are launching an investigation. >> one of the families, the hol comes they lost eight members of their family. i know you spoke with surviving family members. i can't imagine what they are going through right now. >> reporter: yeah, we spoke with them earler today at their farm. yesterday as you can imagine was the worse day of their lives. i spoke with the son of brian hole come, scott hol com. he lost his brother along with other family members.

he says his family he wanted good to come out of this. he said he didn't go to church, he told me from now on he will go to church. it's ab absolutely devastating to think three generation of this family who died. including o'brian was a speecher, including his wife karla who taught sunday school. their daughter-in-law kristy, she was two months pregnant as well as four different grandchildren. we have heard from the patriarch of the family, the great grandfather joe holcomb tonight. he wrote today is the day, we don't like what happened, but i read the book and know how the story turns out, we will be okay. they're a tight knit family and they'll need each other to get through these days. anderson.

>> thank you. we don't say the killers' names but we do want to dig deep into his background. what are the details of this man? >> reporter: anderson, we're learning new information about the court marshal which took place in 2012, only two years after he joined the air force. there was several charges listed in the court order, two of them assault against his wife and -- then wife and stepson. an assault against a child deemed so serious that the force could have caused death or grooefs bodily harm, according to official court documents. he was convicted on those domestic violent charges, they could have been entered into the database, as a result he was sentenced to 12 monhs military prison. there were other charges that were dropped due to plea arrange mtsz. they included threatening his then wife with a loaded firearm

and an unloaded firearm. very serious crime and charges in this document. the fact it was not relayed to the appropriate database and the department of defense, and they're also reviewing similar miscommunications throughout the military has happened in the past, to see if any of these cases have slipped through the cracks. and this kind of reporting would not allow violent persons to have firearms. >> so the military would have given information about why he was discharged and what crimes he would have been convicted of, and that because it was a federal offense it could have prevented him from getting a firearm, is that right? >> that's right. any domestic violence case should be entered into this database by the military. there was an official guidance to demand all air force

officials to make this entry. the department of defense trying to make sure this hasn't happened in the past and won't happen again. >> thank you. one man that exchanged gunfire with the suspect. >> he saw me and i saw him, and i was standing behind the pickup truck for cover. and we exchanged -- i'm like -- it was surreal to me, it couldn't be happening. i could not believe it. and we exchanged gunfire and i know i hit him. i don't know where i hit him, but i know i hit him.

and he got into his vehicle and he fired another couple of rounds through his side window, and i fired -- when the window dropped i fired another round at him again. and one is he was pulling away and he turned down 539, farm to market road, 539 and sped away. and i noticed that there was a four-wheel dodge truck and another truck sitting at the stop sign, and a guy had watched this whole thing take place. i ran over to his truck and i said this guy shot up the baptist church we need to stop him. he opened his door and i got in and we pursued. he had quite a lead on us. we chased him down 539.

when we first started chasing him he was out of sight. the man driving the truck, i found out later his name was donny. he was driving at a high rate of speed and we were trying to pass cars and catch up, and we were call 911 and we were talking to 911. at that point, we did not see, at that point any officers anywhere. and they were probably headed to the church at that point. the dispatch, we started talking to, they said where on 539 is he. and we gave a description when we caught view of him again. and, again we coming up on him pretty quickly and when we got up closer, he pulled over to the

side like he was going to pull off to the side of the road. and he slowed down and i thought he was going to stop, and i reached down to open the door still with my rifle in hand and he sped up, he hit a road sign. it flipped over the truck or his suv, he ran across back up on the road about another 100 yards down and down into the bar ditch and donny stopped the truck on the road. and i told him, i said get down get down. he got down in the truck and i stepped out of the door and i put my rifle across the hood of the truck and he was yelling get out of the truck, get out of the truck, get out of the truck. and i never saw any moment or anything from it, but i wasn't going to let him go anywhere.

and finally the police department got there, and they told him to come out with his hands up. and no response. and at that point i actually laid the rifle down and started back, and he said not you. so i picked the rifle back up, okay, if you need me, so i hung out there and waiting until i saw about six more police officers show up and they did rather quickly after the first one. and i started to walk back. and he said no, stay there, stay there, stay there. and i stayed where i was and they drove one of the squad cars up and gave me cover to walk back with the squad car. >> that's incredible. you heard steven wilford talk about that moment in hot pursuit

when he continued to chase and needed a vehicle to do it. that vehicle belonged to my next guest. >> we exchanged gunfire, i know i hit him, i don't know where i hit him, but i know i hit him. and he got into his vehicle, and he fired another couple rounds through his side window and i fired -- when the window dropped i fired another round at him again. and one as he was pulling away, and he turned down 539, farm to market road, 539 and sped away. and i noticed that there was a four-wheel dodge truck sitting at the stop seasign, and the gu had watched this whole thing take place. i ran over to his truck, and i

said that guy just slot up the baptist church we need to stop him. he opened his door and i got in and we per sued. he had quite a lead on t us. >> that's where john at least ladendorff. he's with his girlfriend. johnnie fill me in if you can. >> i took a side street that led to the residential street to the intersection where the truck is. and before i had a chance to turn that's whenever i saw the shooting start and that's whenever i stopped to see what was going on. >> and what did you see, the man who was firing his weapon at the shooter he calm up to your truck, had you seen him before shooting at the shooter?

>> no, i actually -- i had seen the shooter coming from about where the cars were parked at the church attendee's vehicles were. on the opposite side of the road i had seen mr. wilford coming and shooting back with his rifle. >> so, he came up to your vehicle and explained what happened, and what did you say? >> reporter: he very briefly explained what happened and he got in and he said, he just said follow him follow him and i said let's go. >> you didn't have any he has taking? >> no, sir. >> i think a lot of people might have been scared to do that. >> i'm not sure, i only know myself, really. >> so, how long did you chase the shooter for? >> it was anywhere from like 10 to 13 minutes, because it was

around 11 to 13 miles. so it was roughly mile a minute. we were in heavy pursuit. every time i look down at the speedometer it was at 90 or 95 so it was pretty fast. >> was there a lot of cars on the road? were you weaving in and out of cars? >> it was a normal traffic for a small town country road basically. there was traffic but there was a bit of weave lg, yes, sir. >> so finally whether you found the vehicle again, how did it all come to an end? >> we had gained on the vehicle enough and we got to keep up with him for a while until finally he started to slow down. and we though he was going to come to a stop. when he slowed down he just took out a street season. from there he speed up again and lost control of his vehicle hitting the guard rail and from

there went into the bar ditch. >> and then what? >> and then once he hit the bar ditch i got close enough that i felt safe but that we'd still be in range to see him but still be safe if he came out wielding a politic pistol or anything. as soon as i stopped mr. wilford jumped out mounted the rifle on my hood. telling the guy to get out get out. there was no movement after that. the man never got out, there was never any gunfire exchanged. about the same time we stopped more traffic was coming so i had to go from the safety of the week to stop traffic just in case there was going to befully cross fire. >> so you were exposed? >> briefly. yes, sir. we'll have the rest of their story after the break. later the president's take on the shooting and too many friedman's take on the

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here's part two of our conversation starting when the chase ended. how soon did the police get there? >> they responded very quickly, especially coming from another county. they were there within 5 to 7 minutes. >> i assume a lot of officers had to respond to the church. did you call 911 or either of you call 911 while you were driving? >> yes, i called dispatch once we crossed the road from the church to let them know we were in pursuit of the vehicle. i kept them updated on where we were and where he was. because from my brief knowledge, you know, it seemed that cops were all going to be called to the church and not, you know, i didn't assume anybody had seen where the driver went. >> summer, when you hear what your boyfriend did, does it

surprise you that this is something johnnie would do, somebody would cop up and he's say okay let's go? >> it's not surprising. he's a great guy great man, super humble. doesn't surprise me at all. >> that's just the way he is? >> yes. >> johnnie, knowing what you know now would you do the same thing over again? >> i could do it 100 times over, sir. >> and when the police got there, how quick did it -- did it all finish? >> it was actually a very drawn out long ordeal but once one car showed up from the police, it seemed like in a matter of just a minute everybody that needed to be there was there and they pushed me and mr. wilford back to safety to a viewpoint actually where we couldn't see

any action anymore. but from there, the police really did a great job. they made sure everyone was safe. they made sure that they take every precaution to make sure everything went down how it was supposed to without anybody getting hurt. >> johnnie ladendorff i appreciate talking to you it was so heroic for what you guys did. summer thank you for taking the time to speak with us. >> no problem. the latest on the status of the people wounded in the shooting and remain hospitalized. what have you learned about the people being treated at the hospital there? >> reporter: well, anderson they are in the fight of their lives. tonight near about 30 hours after the rampage that sent many first responders into that church trying to save as many people as possible. we've talked about how 20 people were wounded. authorities telling us tonight

there are still ten people out of the 14 still hospitalized. 10 of those people still in critical condition. so, by no means have we reached a point where we can say that there might not be any more deaths in this tragedy. many suffering gun wounds to their leg and abdomen areas. those are serious wounds. there have been a number of people who have gone through a series of secondary operations throughout the course as well. there are two children and with you adult still being treated in critical condition as well. most of the wounded are being treated in two large hospitals here in the san antonio area. >> do you know how many other people are currently in other hospitals? >> reporter: well, it's 14 in all that still remain hospitalized between these two hospitals regarding medical here

in san antonio as well as university hospital. of those 14, 10 are in critical condition. those are the ones clearly in worst shape and need the most help. six or so have been treated and released since the rampage thursday morning, that's the good news there but there is a great deal of concern for those people that remain in critical condition. >> ed, appreciate you being there. we'll be right back. how much do you think it cost him? $100 a month? $75? $50? actually, duncan got his $500,000 for under $28 a month. less than $1 a day! his secret? selectquote. in just minutes a selectquote agent will comparison shop nearly a dozen highly rated life insurance companies, and give you a choice of your five best rates.

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it is a sad fact of what happened yesterday morning, the baptist church in sutherland springs, texas isn't the first and sernlly won't be the last. joining us charles ramsey, criminal defense attorney thomas kenneth. thomas let me start with you, the air force failing to put

this information in the database is it surprising to you something like that could swlip through the cracks? >> it's very surprising. this goes back to what's call the had enberg act. that act provide anybody convicted of a felony or misdemeanor or crime of domestic violences as clearly this was, they are prohibited under law from possessing a firearm. this is a big issue. when i reported to iraq in 2005 i made sheer all the soldiers were legally ready to deploy. i can't tell you how many different soldiers congo on the plea to iraq because they had a misdemeanor offense in their background. and with us, non-deploy bl. >> this guy served a year in the military prison in a brig, would

that have -- would his name should have been put on the list once he got out? what's the process? >> yeah, absolutely. upon conviction. and also the military confinement facilities had their own obligation or their own duty to report. what should have been done is the fbi through the criminal justice services database that's maintained by the fbi should have been made aware of this. from there it goes into a system called the national instant background check, which then is accessed by all gun dealers in the country. so in other words, before they can sell a gun legally, they have to run the person's information through this national background check database, which is part of the brady act in 1993 named after press secretary james brady. all these fail saves that are supposed to exist that should

have been prevented this person from legally having a firearm. and under texas law, someone who commits a nonviolent act is prohibited from having a firearm. >> doesed surprise -- does it surprise you that this information wasn't on the national registry? >> anderson, i'm going to take the air force at their word in a statement that they released that this was a glitch or mistake, and this wasn't a syst systemic problem. that information should have been given to the fbi as part of the national criminal background check services. that's basically the database. that's the firewall that shows someone who submitted a felony, or a whole host of other things

that prevents him from buying a weapon. i got to say this to you anderson, i am the poster child for someone who believes in gun rights. i'm a military vet. i spent 25 years in the military, fbi my whole life. i have a concealed carried permit as a retired law enforcement officer, this is insanity. for 37 days now since las vegas and what happened on the west side highway and now this yesterday, this is absolute insanity. i'm a professor at military history at st. john university. one over the things i teach my students about the 2nd commandment, back in those days, a skilled infantry armed with a school board mukt could successfully load and fire three

aimed shots in a minute if he was lucky. today we have weapons like with the las vegas shooter able to put down 58 people and 500 casualties on top of that. and then this shooter with 15, third round magazines with an assault rifle. and has the ability to fire that sustained amount of fire, it's insanity. we got to stop meeting like there and talking about the same things. it seems anderson, almost every three or four weeks now. >> chief ramsey, how to you see it? >> listen, that was pretty powerful what james just said the way he laid it out. i mean it is crazy and it's going to happen again. we act as if this is going to be the last time. you hear people say, well now is not the time, well, when is the time. it never seems to come around. las vegas was five weeks ago and

there's been no talks about this until yesterday occurred. it's not going to fix itself. we do have to have real conversation with this issue and come up with action steps. >> thomas this guy was given a bad charge discharge not a dishonorably discharged. can you explain the difference and would it have made a difference? >> i don't think it would have made a difference in this case. it still has the same reporting requirements. the people with the air force are either going to report this stuff, do their job or not. sounds like in the civilian world we call a plea bargain, he was charged with severe felonies that would have been enough to bring him to general court's marshal which is akin to a general trial by jury. looks like he was offered and accepted a special court's marshal where the sentence is a one year confinement which he

was sentenced to and apparently served, and the bad conduct not the dishonorable. why he was offered a deal like that given the seriousness of these alleges, one could have been which you often see in domestic violence cases. if his wife did not want to cooperate with the military prosecutors, was showing some reluck tans that -- reluctance that may have made them come to the table and offer him a lenient deal. >> yeah, the department defense is going to be doing more investigation. appreciate your expertise all of you thank you. coming up we'll hear from more -- more on the story. let our your inner child at the lexus december to remember sales event. lease the 2017 rx 350

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with us but i frankly hate having you with us in events like this. after the mass shooting in las vegas when many lawmakers offered their thoughts and prayers, you went to capitol hill and told them their kind words are important but quote, your thoughts and prayers aren't going to stop the next shooting. i'm wondering what your message is tonight. >> well, it's certainly the same. i said that the first time to i think you anderson, to the sandy hook elementary shooting. i'm done saying now is not the time. if now is not the time when is. we heard the president's comments earlier today from japan, when he said this is a mentally health issue not about the gun. governor abbott talking about what everybody is doing without any mention of what he's going to do. we really need leadership on this issue. we need the people we elect to off to first stand up and acknowledge we have a problem in this country.

35,000 people dying from gunshot wounds, another 100,000 shot every year is completely unacceptable, it's a problem. for problems there's a solution. we elect these people to provide and work through these solutions. >> in this, 26 people killed, the oldest 77 years old, the youngest just 17 months old. after las vegas, after newtown after your wife shooting. shot doesn't equal action. >> no it doesn't. with you got to figure out how do we quinconvince people to ha courage. people that's elected to office may fear the gun lobby, the political interest we have to have the courage to have them stand up with do what's right. the courage of the individuals who just spoke to, ten minutes

ago, they were confronted with a problem and they dealt with the problem. anderson, i served in the military for 25 years, like your other guest, i'm a strong supporter of the 2 amendment. but we continue to do this to ours. it's just getting ridiculous. if you don't want to talk about this situation that happened just yesterday, if now is not the time, well let's talk about what happened in las vegas. just last friday the state of massachusetts banned bus stocks, the republican signed it into law. they took leadership. what is congress doing on this issue and what they'll do about what happened yesterday, my guess is probably not a lot. >> i did see a lot of people say the answer frankly is more guns. if more people would have been armed. and they point to the hero with

his rifle shot this murderer twice and got in johnnie's vehicle and chased him down and waited for police to come. >> well, i mean there are 26 people that are dead. do we really want to live in a society where everybody has to carry a gun every tomb they walk outside their house? i mean, do we want to live in somalia? this is crazy. we do also know where there are more guns there are more gun violence. certainly, in some situations the good guy with the gun can stop these thing. we do see that happening. but if everybody is armed all the time we're not going to have 35,000 deaths every year from gun to the wounds, that number is going to go up. in the state that has the strongest gun laws, state's like pla, a lot of people die from gun violence. right now in massachusetts it's

three people, in texas that number is 11.7, in louisiana, it's 20. these numbers does matter. we were talking about the u.s. air force and their failure to put this information in the database. in texas you can buy guns with no background check. there are loopholes that includes department of defense but it also includes just our laws and who is required to get a background check and when. we need to fix the background check systems in a lot of different ways. >> you brought up the air force, now there's a dod investigation. that's the other argument you hear, from advocates who don't want any changes. they say look, there are existing laws they just need to

be followed, they need to be carried out. obviously, in this case it seems like that wasn't don't. >> well, the existing laws need to be carried out, we need to fix the mistakes and tamtd we need to make sure the law plies to everybody. the fact you can walk out of a state prison in a state like texas, or arizona or many other states, and you can walk down to a gun show and buy an arsenal of weapons and high capacity magazines that just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. it's pretty easy to fix. congress failed to do that after the shooting of the sandy hook elementary school. when are we going to say, hey this is enough and we are a country of laws and our laws matter. what we really need anderson, is leadership. we need people who we elect to office to say, hey i'm not going to do the most politically

expedient thing i'm going to do the right thing. >> captain kelly appreciate your time. thank you. president trump spoke about the latest mass shooting from asia. what he said, in detail when we come back and we'll talk to thomas proce thomas friedman. we make sure you're in the loop at every step from the moment you decide to move your money to the instant your new retirement account is funded. ♪ oh and at fidelity, you'll see how all your investments are working together. because when you know where you stand, things are just clearer. ♪ just remember what i said about a little bit o' soul ♪

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first of all, do you think these mass shootings are uniquely american phenomenon? >> yeah, i think they are, anderson. it's not going on in japan or great britain. ed this is uniquely an american phenomenon. i lived in beirut and there was a lot of gang violence there, i wouldn't want to be compared to them. >> in a recent article you said if only he had shouted allahu akbar before he opened fire on the concert gories, if only it had been a member of isis or we had a picture of him posing with the koran, no one would be telling us not to dishonor the victims. you see a clear difference how

the president, how our political leaders discuss the terror attack in new york versus what just happened in texas? >> we need more extreme vetting. which other country would we have to ban? when it comes to fighting isis, a defeat is not an option. when it comes to fighting gun violence, victory is not an option. mentally disturbed people have too easy access to guns. >> do you think change is actually possible? >> i'm quite disupon dent. i looked at this event and i felt nothing but incredible sadness a whole family of eight people wiped ut is unspeakable. at the same time, it's become part of weather. today's gun shooting, you know.

it's like the flood somewhere killed eight people. it feels like it's something we can't control anymore because our congress is a form for legalized bribery. that's literally what it is. and we have a huge number of members who are holding on it. what do these guys make? they're holding onto these seats that not one of them will tell the nra, chuck it, i'm voting to bring an end to this madness where we cannot have common sense gun laws. can't these people get jobs anywhere else or do they go home at night to some offshore island where nobody's being shot? i simply do not understand it. >> i want to ask you about two big events. right now the president overseas in just a minute how important is this trip for the u.s.? >> i tend not to put a lot of stock in one trip or another.

the big issue on this trip is u.s./china relations and the north korea situation. and we have a problem with china. we have a structural problem. i happen to agree with president trump on this. when we let china into the world trade organization, we thought china was going to reform and open its economy. we gave them a lot of easy conditions that we didn't impose initially. turns out china reformed and closed. if you want to import an american car into china, it's a 25% tariff. i want to import a car into our country, it's a 2.5% tariff. if ali baba wants to have a cloud server in silicon valley, no problem. if amazon and microsoft want to have one in china, lots of problems. you have to have a chinese partner and transfer technology

and open your server to the government. that's not fair. we have a problem there. what i worry about is the president has lost focus on that. i happen to think the chinese can happen to do more on korea. they know it's a shiny object, but trump will go to china. >> what about saudi arabia, the massive arrests that are going on? you have all these people imprisoned. >> the ritz-carlton. this took me by surprise like everybody. i think we're seeing the end of the saudi arabia ruling family, that is a family that alternated power between different extremes and we are seeing the rise of

one family that's going to rule. >> he's talking about trying to bring saudi arabia forward and talk about moderate islam. >> i think i've interviewed him twice, the crown prince. >> the picture we were just showing is the one of the world's most wealthiest men who is now under arrest. >> the crown prince bought a yacht for $150 million. do you think that came out of his 401(k). the idea that these people are being arrested for corruption, which is the greece thase that the system work is hard to believe. this country needed reform. if bin salman didn't exist, someone would have to invent him. the last king of saudi arabia, the current one is 81.

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