trump says they are making progress, and trump is still vowing to use military force against the north if necessary. the president facing more questions about the texas church massacre. he claimed that extreme vetting for gun ownership would not have prevented the attack, and that hundreds more may have died if not for a good samaritan with a gun. this comes as there are disturbing new details emerging about the texas killer and his violent past. the air force is investigating why it failed to report a court-martial conviction to a national database. by failing to report it, there was nothing to flag with this man when he tried to buy these weapons. let's begin with jeff zell knee live in seoul with the president. we heard a change in talk ahead of a very big speech tonight.

>> reporter: there's a more consillry tone,and he's promising to use the full weight of the military if there's a confrontation with north korea, and he said it's time for north korea to make a deal and come to the table, and it's not clear if the president is standing here in the north korea, about 35 miles from the border. president trump called military force a last resort in confronting north korea, but said it could be a necessary one if kim jong-un won't back away from his nuclear ambitions. >> we have a nuclear submarine also positioned. we have many things happening that we hope -- we hope -- in fact, i will go a step further, we hope to god we never have to use. all right president visiting the korean peninsula for the first

time today, standing only 35 miles from the north korean border, and he said sanctions appeared to be starting to work. >> we like to play our cards a little close to the vest. >> he called on leaders around the world, signaling out russia and china to stand up to kim jong-un. >> he is, indeed, threatening millions and millions of lives so needlessly. north korea is a world-wide threat that requires world-wide action. >> standing side by side with south korean president moon, and he stopped short of be littling kim jong-un. >> they will be met with fire and fury like the world has

never seen. >> reporter: instead the president made a shore of force as he visited where thousands of american troops are based. the president expressing optimism that the nuclear standoff could be peacefully resolved. >> hopefully it will all work out. it has to work out. >> reporter: president trump has been critical of president moon, and this visit was all about diplomacy amid escalating t tensions with the north. president trump was asked if increased vetting for gun purchases in the u.s. would not have stopped the carnage. >> you are bringing up a situation that probably should not be discussed too much right now, and if we did what you are suggesting there would have been no difference three years ago, and you might not have had that

brave person who happened to have a rifle in his gun or truck and go out and shoot him and hit him and neutralize him. if he did not have a gun, instead of having 26 dead, you would have had hundreds more dead. >> reporter: just a short time ago the president finished a state dinner this evening and offered a bit of a surprise about what could be coming up tomorrow. he said he will have something in store. we don't know if he's talking about a surprise visit or some type of surprise announcement, but he plans to give a comprehensive speech to the korean national assembly. look for this to be the biggest and most robust policy speech of laying out his doctrine, if you will, that he will give on his time over here. he will talk about the history of the korean war, and call on other world leaders.

>> it's good to have you with the president. there's going to be one set of ears, in particular, that will be watching, north korea is going to be listening to everything the president says and does. president trump will give a big speech tonight before south korea's parliament. what will be the impact on the north? we have will ripley live in pyongyang. this is will's 17th visit to the reclusive nation. what is the level of anticipation about the president's speech? >> reporter: they are going to be listening very closely, chris. we know the trump administration has been hinting for several days now they could make an announcement to put north korea back on the state of state sponsors of terrorism, and they were taken off the list ten

years ago, and now they have a bigger nuclear arsenal than they ever have, and north korean officials reiterated to me within the last couple hours, they will, in their words, round off their nuclear program, which means more nuclear tests and launches, but when will they do that to coincide president trump's visit in the region, and the unknown, how will the president and the administration respond to that, and it depends on what kind of test, and north korea has threatened nuclear tests or in the direction of guam, and they are doubling down on the final steps of the nuclear program. president trump said diplomacy is on the table, the u.s. wants denuclearization and the north koreans say their nukes are here to say and are essential to regime survival. they will listen to the president's words.

words do matter. they are watching the actions of the united states, and they say with joint navel drills underway, with three u.s. carrier strike groups, the message from the united states is clear and they are ready to send a clear message of their own. >> oh, my goodness, will, the stakes could not be higher. thank you for reporting for us from pyongyang. david, i will start with you, i am tired of david gregory. why do you think donald trump has toned down the rhetoric in north korea? who told him to do that? >> we know there have been voices in his ear in the last few months in rex tillerson and secretary mattis who are trying to keep this on course. i think the president is understanding that he's playing different notes here, right? there was sabre rattling phase, and by the way, that could come

back tomorrow in a tweet, and he could decide in a moment he wants to go back to that. during the time of the hot rhetoric, there were people around him in the closest circle who were still trying to get this from escalating to a point of no return. now he's trying to play a different note, one that is more conciliatory. >> what the u.s. has done to prepare for war, and south korea has been on a more diplomatic, buying more american military hardware, and it sets up a potential for the north to feel like they extracted something. if what is happen something a actual negotiation for a freeze of where we are to prevent future tests, but as david said, everything is happening right now. there are real negotiations, and there's pretty hot rhetoric on all sides and lot of anxiety

among people in that region. that's who is listening to the president in the course of the trip right now. he's staying extremely scripted, which is unusual. he's doing that in the course of the trip so far. >> they have been touting that they have been pleased with some signals from china stepping up and they feel that that pressure campaign on china seems to be working a bit to their benefit, too. >> sounds like, david gregory, you need to have a couple pieces of pressure on congress as the president is giving this big speech, the attention is on him and rightly so but look at the issues. if you are trying to get north korea to the table, if that's the new direction, as the president seems to be indicating, of course, subject to david chalian saying he could change at anytime, that takes you back to the iran deal and congress dealing with the certification right now because it's going to be hard to get the north to the table to do a deal if they see the past deal with iran winds up being meaningless, and all the military ramping up brings us back to the issue of

the authorization of using force. how important are those contingent issues? >> very important in terms of how -- if it's a preventive strike -- would be argued. and congress asserts a role to play, as some are trying to do with legislation, to say nothing can come without the acquiescence of congress. i don't think the administration wants to raise the flag of all the dangers of a potential military strike. i think what they want to do is buy themselves some room with the north to actually negotiate. you mentioned iran. what i think is interesting is whether this administration, like previous administrations, will simply try to buy more time to forestall a outcome, and stop the north from continuing to develop what they got, and they want to stop them from testing. that's what is so provocative. just like with iran, trying to buy time to see if circumstances change, and that may ultimately

be what the administration is trying to do here. >> let's talk about the gun violence debate, once again, is that happening. after another sickening mass shooting, and once again we hear the same talking points trotted out, and we just had senator pure do y purdue on, and he said we have to enforce the laws on the books. we hear that every time. >> it's a confirmation of a pattern and no evidence that the pattern is breaking, which is that nothing is going to get done on this. there's no inkling of a change to that pattern. when you asked senator purdue about the bump stocks, his answer was senator feinstein has a bill. how that is a satisfactory bill to anybody that watched what occurred in las vegas, and there was all this momentum in the immediate aftermath about the bump stocks -- >> does that mean the bill is

working its way through congress? >> the bill was going to go through committee, and i didn't hear him say i am committed to join her or any sense, but it was a narration of the process and not a commitment to get to a solution. >> what is hypocritical about this, you don't hear this president or most republicans saying, look, when it comes to terrorism we have to accept that some of these things are going to happen. what happened in new york, this stuff is going to happen and it's impossible to stop and that appears to be the concession on gun violence. at the same time, proponents of greater gun restrictions have got to take a different tact politically as well, focus on public health and focus on areas where there could be an agreement or momentum in the states in the series of outrage and then nothing getting done. >> thank you both very much. they are poison us, and we

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be brandished. federal research on gun research is spotty. that's a political problem. we don't want to take a look at this close enough. why? we have a very different situation today. their own number creates a frightening reality, for a gun to be used in self defense 2.5 million times a year, that's once every 13 seconds. the fbi actually counts the average of justified homicides that use a gun. those numbers don't size up. for all the talk about mental illness, studies show the u.s. doesn't have more mental illness than anywhere else, but we have

25 times the rate of gun murder. 25 times. americans own more guns per capita than any other country. in fact, half of all civilian-owned guns in the world are owned by americans. america has more mass shootings than any other country in the world. we own more guns. we have more mass shootings. what are we going to do about it? joining us now is republican congressman, sean duffy of wisconsin. thank you for taking the opportunity, as always. >> good to be with you. thank you for having me on. >> the president said the time is not right, as you know, i don't agree with that. i think we have to talk about it in the moment. let's do it. let's hear what he said most recently about what would have mattered in texas. >> there would have been no difference three days ago, and you might not have had that very brave person who happened to have a gun or a rifle in his

truck go out and shoot him and hit him and neutralize him. i can't only say this, if he did not have a gun, instead of having 26 dead you would have had hundreds more dead. >> congressman, there's no debating that is scaring, and extreme vetting -- we know for a fact that the u.s. air force had a lapse in protocol here. >> they did. >> they did not report what they were supposed to. if there was just the basic vetting being done, this man should have been denied a weapon, so that's for him. we know that for a fact. and then for the second man, the hero, the neighbor, we have no reason to believe that anything would have denied him a weapon. we have no reason to believe he does not have his weapon legally, so do you agree with

what the president was saying there, that vetting would have made this situation worse. how? >> i think the question probably came to the president in a press conference where he was getting thrown a whole bunch of questions from north korea to his trip and now to this issue overseas, and i think he should have added in the point that we have laws in the books that would have prevented this horrific event from happening, and in that if you commit a domestic misdemeanor you can't possess a firearm. and the fact that that was not followed by the air force is the real issue as we look at what happened in texas. >> you think he didn't want to tell the truth about this situation because it doesn't play to the political reality

that he favors? it's not about giving room to the victims in new york, it was the faulty immigration laws. now he wants time and misstates the facts. it's easy for him to know what the real facts are. it seems obvious that this is double speak. >> what happens in hot moments like this, people use issues for their own political issues. some will say we support extreme vetting for those that want a firearm but didn't want to have extreme vetting for those that come into america and do us harm, and we possess the constitutional right to paw ses a firearm and nobody has the constitutional right to come into our country. we have to look at this and say, what are the facts? how do you prevent these things from happening in the future? we have sick, deranged or politically motivated people

that want to do people harm, and also protect america's right, the law-abiding citizen, to possess a firearm. that's why you get the difficulty legislatively, and you say i want more laws on the books and that's a hard loaf of bread to slice. >> gun owners, you, me, and at least 80% of them, every time you have a poll that comes out that is credible says, yeah, you should have background checks, we think you do have them already. but here's the truth, okay? if the air force properly reported the way they were supposed to, both men involved in the situation, the hero and the murderer could have just gone to a gun show, and had a private transaction, because we don't check those the same way. >> that's not true. in a gun show, if you are a gun dealer you have to have a background check -- >> but there are -- many of the

sales -- over 20% of all gun sales are done without background checks, congressman, it's because you have loopholes in effect. gun owners, when you poll them they say there should be no loopholes and everybody who buys a gun should go through a background check. why not be in favor of that? >> i am in favor of background checks. >> private sales, too? >> no, because if i want to give my gun to my son or sell a firearm to a neighbor or friend, i think that's pretty intrusive. >> what if you are selling it to somebody who is deranged, as the president likes to say, and he goes out and wants to use it on people? why shouldn't he be checked? >> that's not the case here. can i tell you what happens in these situations, chris? in 2000, 29% of people wanted more gun rights. now it's 52% of americans that want more gun rights.

when i go home -- this is the difference in the country. new york or wisconsin might have a viewpoint, but texas has a different viewpoint. if i don't have a gun, i might want to take a class -- >> who is keeping them from getting a gun? >> nobody. >> it's a scare tactic. that's why they are coming to you, they are saying don't let them take my guns because you are selling them on that proposition. we are just saying check all the sales. why isn't that a reasonable move? >> even nancy pelosi said, this is a slippery slope. if they have great background checks, will they stop then, or taking away some firearms, will they stop then? i don't think it will ever stop, and -- >> even if that's what you think -- >> i think it's a fact.

>> even if that were true, saying every gun sale should require a background check, how is that not a reasonable step? >> if you are a gun dealer, that does make sense. chris, this morning, we should focus on we have laws that work, and the guns were not followed. this evil man in texas would not have had a gun had the air force followed the law. >> unless he went to a gun show and had a private sale. >> but he didn't go there, and he should have been flagged and could not buy a begun. >> true. >> why don't we look and say what laws do we have that are not being followed. >> that's one of the laws not being followed, your background checks are being subverted by loopholes -- >> there's no loophole here. >> here there was not a loop hope, there was a lapse. if you look at the situation overall you start dealing with loopholes and sales and

background checks that are not consistent. >> you may have information, but i don't, and i don't know of a person that got a gun from his neighbor that went and shot a church up? i will join you in the effort, but i want to preserve and protect my constitchant's right to own a firearm. it's complicated. >> no question. you have to talk about it skprbg that's the first step and the time is certainly now. thank you for taking the opportunity to do exactly that. >> thank you, chris. >> alisyn? we will tell you more those killed in the church massacre, next.

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richard rodriguez and his wife attended services every sunday, and both lost their lives when the gunman opened

fire. joining us is his daughter and his sister. ladies, we are so sorry you are going through this and your family is going through this, and we know you wanted to come on today to talk about your dad and your brother. tell us about richard. >> well, what could i tell you? he was my best brother. he was so sweet and kind and i loved him so much, and i will miss him a lot. he was always making us laugh. he was a character and always making us laugh so he will be missed from us. it's sad what happened to him. >> yes, of course. r regina, this is your dad we are talking about. i know you would bring your kids to church with your dad on sundays. why were you not there this past sunday? >> i don't normally attend his church. i have been invited a couple

times, but my dad and teresa would pick up my kids for the weekend and would spend time with them, and they will go to work with him on sundays. it breaks my heart because when people were coming out on the tv, my kids are sitting back here and saying, we know them, we know them. they were there. >> yeah. >> i just couldn't imagine if my kids were there. >> what you have told -- you guys can get it. i know you have so many people calling you and so many loved ones and neighbors to talk. >> sorry. >> no, of course, i know what your house has been like for the past 48 hours. you have five kids. what you have told them about what happened to their grandpa? >> the oldest ones, they are the ones that are taking it hard.

my -- my julian -- especially my justin, he really looked up to my dad and the memories that i have is, um, my dad is country, so my son will put on his country pants and his boots and i remember him going around and asking him, where is high hat, mom? where is my hat? my dad loved wearing caps, and he would put his glasses sitting on top of his hat, and he would always be standing around the house with his hat and glasses and backpack, and he was so excited and he was waiting for my dad to pull up when he would come on the weekends. >> i know he likes to dress like his grandpa because he loved him so much and he was so excited to see him, and tell us about what

your youngest -- you have a 6-year-old. what has your 6-year-old been saying about this? >> he just keeps on telling me he wants to go to grandpa's house. can i call grandpa? i just tell him, where he is at now we can't call. he's in heaven. >> it's so heartbreaking. the amount of loss from that experience, evangelina, what happened when you got the word about what happened that day at your brother's church? >> i had just come home from my church, and then we turned the tv on it was the first thing on the news. i didn't know that was my brother's church until my niece called me and she couldn't even talk, and she said, that's my dad's church. i go, no, that can't be true, no. that's when we were hoping that

he missed that day, but, no, he was there. >> there's just so much pain in just, you know, what this one madman did. regina, what do you tell your kids? how do you make sense of this for them? >> just explain to them. i just say he's in heaven. i don't know what else to do. everybody tells me i need to be strong because i have children. i am trying, but i don't feel strong. i don't feel strong. >> listen, you don't have to be strong right now. you shouldn't have to be strong and endure this kind of pain. evangelina, what is your message? what is the solution here?

what do you want people to know? >> i want everybody to know not to sell guns to nobody. i don't know why they passed that law. anybody could carry a gun now, even crazy people. tell the president that, no more guns. >> regina, what is your message? >> they said that he had a lot of red flags to prevent him from buying a gun. he had assaults. he was taken away from the military, so when he went, why wasn't there something on his record showing that he wasn't capable of holding -- he shouldn't have access to a gun? how are people like this getting ahold of them? >> yeah. >> is there a way?

>> yeah. regina, we will put up a picture of your dad. tell us your last thoughts on what you want us to know about him. >> i'm going to miss him every day, every minute, every second. my heart is breaking. you are the last person i had, and now he's gone. >> we are so sorry, and we feel your pain. we are praying for your family. >> thank you. >> we are so sorry and we appreciate you coming on and sharing your family with us. we'll be right back. can you fit in there? i got this... that's the new man, huh? yup. getting kinda' close to my ride.

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we have two great candidates, and leading with values and talking about the things that people care about. people want to make sure they have health care and access to a good job, and people want leaders who unite. ralph northam has been a healer in his career, and ed gillespie and donald trump, they divide. it's the trump tactic of division. there has been record levels of energy in virginia. >> why are the races so close? >> virginia is a purple state. i mean, you look at mark war u warner's race in 2014, that was close. >> but this is a different era. you are saying the democrats should have a wind in their sails right now, and this is a referendum on president trump for democrats, right? >> if you talk to people in virginia, what they want to see is who is going to fight for my health care and for quality

education, and who is going to continue the progress of mcauliffe? they see in northam and fairfax, people who are uniters and people who want to make sure everybody in the commonwealth has an opportunity to succeed. that's exactly what we need in this country. >> why aren't they running away with it? if it's that easy for democrats, why aren't these runaway races? >> in virginia, warner won by less than 1% in -- >> but it's a different time. don't you think the rules have changed in 2017? >> we will find out today. we knocked on over a million doors, twice as many as terry mcauliffe did, and he did a great job four years ago. same thing with phil murphy. we have two lieutenant governor

candidates poised to make history in those states. i am very excited. i put 700 miles on my car over the weekend in virginia, and everywhere i go people are focused on the future and know what they have to do, and i am pop t optimistic. >> there are lots of voices that say the democratic party are adrift, and there's in-fighting, and you know of the stuff with donna brazile and bernie sanders and hillary clinton. >> virginia is a great example. a former member of congress got in the race, and the media wrote the exact wrong story. they wrote, oh, it's going to be another bernie/hillary proxy battle. what happened was two great candidates ran a spirited campaign talking about the issues and it resulted in record turnout on the democratic side

when tom peril yo was not successful, he pivoted and came together and gillespie won by one point, and that's a perfect example of democrats coming together. >> i know you just watched that segment we just had with the victims of the church massacre in texas and how heartbroken they are, and they lost their dad and so many people lost people. what is the answer here? gun control advocates obviously are not getting that much traction. this is such an echo chamber issue, where people stay on their sides. what can people on your side that want more gun control do? >> we have to keep fighting. my heart bleeds for the rodriguez familiar and all the other families. i was out in las vegas a few weeks ago, and that was tragic as well. regrettably, here's what we know. it's going to happen again.

i don't know where. i don't know when. but we will get the same thoughts and prayers response from the republicans and no action. the only action donald trump has taken on guns this year is to make it easier for people with mental health issues to get access to a gun by relaxing an obama era regulation. we have to keep fighting and can never give up on this. we have to eliminate the false choice notion, if you do background checks it's going to be the end of the world as we know it and a slippery slope to anarchy. second amendment freedoms and common sense gun safety can co-exists. >> thank you for being here. >> pleasure. next, we remember the 26 lives lost in texas. stay with us. it's clinically proven to remove plaque, the main cause of bleeding gums. for healthy gums and strong teeth.

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26 people murdered inside a texas church by a deranged killer. randi kaye tells us about them. >> in an instant, about 4% of the residents of sutherland springs, texas, were taken. the youngest victim about a year and a half old. the oldest killed, 77. among the dead, annabel pomeroy, the 14-year-old was the daughter of the church's pastor that often spoke about her at church, one, sharing this story about them riding the motorcycle together. >> annabel has been want to go ride with me going here and there, and it was 34 degrees this morning, and she was a trooper and did not complain. >> the pastor and his wife were out of town on sunday but annabel went to church anyway without them. >> one thing that gives me

encouragement, that she was surrounded yesterday by her church family that she loved fiercely. >> at 16, her mother told cnn, haley was a vibrant 16-year-old that loved life, adding she was also looking forward to her future as a nurse in the nicu, and she loved babies and always wanted to help. >> she was amazing and we are going to miss her. >> the church's visiting pastor, brian holcomb, was also killed, and so was his wife, carla holcomb. in all they lost eight members of their family. three generations wiped out that terrible morning. the holcombs lived on a nearby phone in texas with several of their children. their son, danny, died on sunday and so did his daughter, noah.

the youngest victim at 17 months old. one son remains in the hospital, and his wife, crystal was killed. she was two months pregnant. three of her five children were also killed. the other two were shot and are at the hospital with john, their stepfather. also among the victims, tara mcnull tea, a close friend of the holcombs, and his mother-in-law. she volunteered frequently at the church. her niece wrote this on her facebook page shortly after white's death. i have no doubt where she is right now, she's in heaven laying her crowns and jewels at the feet of jesus and celebrating. i love and will miss you. so many lives taken by a man that likely knew almost everybody in the church community where he opened fire. randi kaye, cnn, new york. >> it's good to remember who was

lost, especially in the context of such a small town, alisyn, maybe, 500, 600 people in the whole place. >> the loss is unimaginable. every single one of those lives taken. listen, we are better than this. there has got to be an answer. you and i will keep asking lawmakers for solutions. i will see you back in new york soon, and it's time now for cnn "newsroom" with poppy harlow and john berman. top of the hour. good morning, everybody. i am poppy harlow. >> i am john berman. we are learning about the man that confronted the church massacre. >> all i am thinking is i have got to get there. >> more from the interview in just a second. >> also the gunman's violent pass