every time there's a mass shooting the u.s. like the one that just happened this texas, that gets a lot of play in north korean state media because it refen forces their narrative against the united states. >> thanks very much. live from pyongyang, north korea. that's it for me. thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer. in "the situation room." erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. next, breaking news. president trump's fired national security adviser now worried about his son's fate in the russia investigation. we'll tell you why. plus trump calling himself a big loser. but he is not talk iing about lt night's leeks election and the man who chronicled the most iconic and private moments of barack obama's presidency. the former chief white house photographer "outfront" on why he's now one of trump's toughest critics. let's go "outfront." good evening, tonight, we begin with the breaking news. michael flynn fearing home rfor son. multiple sources telling cnn that president trump's fire d

national security adviser, general michael flynn, is worried. he's concerneded about the legal fate of his son, michael flynn jr. both men are under scrutiny by robert mueller. fly flynn's concern for his son could be something crucial. could factor into cotoop rater with mule's investigation and as to whether he shares everything he knows about business dealings, the president himself. these are crucial things. flynn jr. is his dad's chief of staff and was actively involved in his father's consulting and lobbying work. he was with his father during a trip to moscow where flynn dined with putin. flynn jr. is defiant. he just tweeted this weekend, the sgw, that would apparently refer to the social justice warriors, are out in full this morning. the disappointment on your faces when i don't go to jail will be worth all your harassment. meantime, general flynn, the father of course was fired as the president's national security adviser 23 days after

president trump took office after misleading the administration officials including vice president pence ability his conversations with the russian ambassador to washington. our seen national correspondent is live in washington at this hour and jim, what are you learn ing? these are serious concerns and it is concerns about a child or a family member that could really open the door here. >> well i'm told by sources familiar with matter that flynn has expressed concern about the potential legal exposure of his son who like his father, is under scrutiny by the special counsel, robert mueller. flynn's concern certainly could factor in about how to respond to mueller's investigation into russian meddling in the 2016 and business dealings of key campaign advisers. i'm told flynn's wife has concerns about their son's possible legal exposure. >> and jim, you know, obviously there are some crucial questions

when you talk about this legal exposure. what legal questions, issues, is the special counsel focusing on regarding flynn? >> this is what we understand. i've spoken to two witnesses who have been interviewed by special counsel. they say questions regarding flynn focus on his and his son's business dealings. including their firm's reporting of this can from their work overseas. the foreign agent ice registration act, it requires those acting as agents for foreign entities, that they publicly disclose their relationships with those enter theties, which could be companies or countries as well as the financial compensation for such work. as you mentioned, flynn jr., he was involved in his father's business. he served as chief of staff, top aide, involve d in the con stulting and b lobbying work at their firm, the flynn intel group. that ined joining his father on those overseas trips, when he dined along put atten at a black

tie gala for rt. flynn sr. also under scrutiny by mueller's team for undisclosed lobbying during the campaign on behalf of the turkish government and flynn's alleged participation about the idea of forcibly removing a turkish clerk who's been living in chil in pennsylvania. flynn has denied that such discussions ever occurreded. >> so what happens next in the investigation here papadopoulos. the flynns. what's next? >> flynn's business dealings, this veinvestigation predateded the special counsel, robert mealer. it's been the subject of federal investigation since november. it is not clear. we should say this clearly, that either f the flynns will tht end, face charges once the investigation is complete. flynn's attorney, he did not respond to multiple requests for comment. flynn jr.'s lawyer, he declined to xhept and you of course

mentioned flynn jr. himself had defiant words on twitter. >> he's been an aggressive user of twitter at least in the past back before his father's firing. >> thank you so much. and now to jeffrey toobin, mark preston and john avalon. jeffrey, let me start with you. flynn and his wife are worry ie about their son. and there is nothing more powerful than a worry about your child. so taking that into account, how likely is it michael flynn flips on the president to protect his son? >> prosecutors now how parents feel abotheir children and they sometimes play hardball and use that leverage and say explicitly, unless you plead guilty, we will charge your son as well as you in the criminal scheme that we've identified. and that certainly is a possibility here. however, i think at this stage, it's very important to say that no one has identified any crime that either flynn has committed. and it may be there will be no

charges against either one. but certainly when you have two people under investigation, father and son, for similar kinds of violations, the possibility of the father pleading to spare the son is always going to be out there and it would be irresponsible if prosecutors not to take advantage of that possible i. >> that's what they do. mark, clearly, general flynn and his wife are feeling the pressure of this investigation, right? that's obvious from this reporting that jim has. what does this tell you about where bob mueller is right now? >> well, i don't think we should look at the investigation and think we're nearing the finish line. this is very complicated. we have four active investigations right now looking into the whole russia matter. look what we've seen from the chutes. all these branches that are as jeffrey pointed out when it comes to general flynn, some of those issues dealt with before the presidency, before donald trump took office and had to do with other things that he was involved in including giving a

speech in russia, so we've seen that. we've also seen 12-count indictment present ed against paul manafort and rick gates. again, connected to the mueller investigation, but in the end what i think we're seeing now is an incredeible amount of pressue being put on people such as george papadopoulos, another trump aide, who acknowledged lying to the fbi there, erin. >> the president has had flynn's back in the past. even after he fired him, he had said words to positive things. here he is. >> general flynn is a wonderful man. i asked for his resignation. he respectfully gave it. with that being said, he's a fine man. >> if you're the president, how concerned are you tonight about flynn flipping to protect his son? zpl you've got to remember flynn is in some ways, the spark that sets off this entire investigation. it's flynn who trump is talking about when he allegedly says to comey, go easy on him, he's a good guy. that's related to flynn

allegedly being on tapes early contacts with the russians before the administration took hold. so this is somebody who is incredibly close to president trump during the campaign. he was a close adviser. and at the same time, we found out he took at least a half million dollars from turkey in retainers. those are relatively small problems. the bigger problem is how it relates to the comey firing, the larger question of obstruction of justice, with which may be out there. but flynn is a key figure in all this. we just forget because he was out of the administration before month one. >> how does the b possibility of pardons play into this? when you think about the president of the united states, look, he's got that leaver in some of these cases and i know it's question babable in the caf paul manafort. but the power of the pardon could keep people quiet, right? >> well, it could. but you know, i don't want to overstate how much i can read michael flynn's mind, but the normal circumstance in a normal

criminal investigation, a suspect says to himself, look, i'm going to get charged. if i go to trial, i could get a really long sentence. i better cut a deal now. plead guilty, cooperate. that's the mental calculation that goes on every day in courtrooms in america. what is unusual about this case is that michael flynn and his son could say to themselves, i don't have to worry about going to jail. i don't have to worry about having, being a convicted felon because i know that i have a pardon likely potentially maybe in my back pocket. that's a tremendous advantage if you know you have it. obviously you know based on what's public now, we don't know whether donald trump would ever pardon either of the flynns, but it certainly, he's certainly demonstrated with his pardon of joseph arpio that he's willing to make controversial pardons,

so the flynns may think i'm going to bet i'm going to get a pardon, so i'm not going to cut a deal. >> we've that precedent. the only thing that stopped previous presidents from doing this is frankly a sense of decency and respect for the process. dick cheney was lobbying heavily for scooter libby and bush never relented. the question is how much can thes who are putting their record on the line depend on donald trump's word or intentions! mark, you also have flynn, he's not been very cooperative. when you talk about senate intelligence committee, he refused. he hasn't been, declined to comply with the is that the subpoena. that was back in may. in september, he refused. do you think that if the pressure builds, he could go testify in front of the senate swell jensen questi intelligence question? >> if he's able to cut a deal where he could go get immunity, that's quite a possibility.

there was talk about immunity if you go back about five, six, seven months ago, but the problem now is and jeffrey and john hit the nail on the head is the unpredictability of trump. will donald trump give him a pardon in in fact he becomes indict ed in what have you. i think that's a tough gamble bable to go o with. given that we don't know. >> how does trump signal that? the last thing ublyou could do a signalling it because then mueller would find out about it. >> right. >> by the way, if the president were to say in words or substance, especially if he said it in secret, don't cooperate because i'm going to give you a pardon, that alone -- >> that's obstruction. >> right. so i think if the president is getting any sort of good legal advice at all, he is certainly not going to be promising pardons or even suggesting the possibility to anyone. >> all right. thank you all very much. well, the president is awake at all hour of the day.

whether promising pardons or thot, here's what we know. taking a beating in the democrat's sweeping election wins last night, but tweet iing this picture about an electoral victory. this tweet came at 2:00 in the morning. plus, trump calls himself a big loser when it comes to the new tax bill. really? well, we ran the numbers. such as they are, mr. president, and it looks like in this case, you're a big winner and barack obama creating a stir in court today showing up for jury duty. seriously? are they going to let him on a jury?

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tonight, president trump is tweeting quote, congratulations to all of the caps deplorables and millions of people who gave us a caps massive 304-22 u 7 electoral college vktry. so you might have thought it came from a year ago, but not only did it not, it came tr last night and it at about 2:30 in the morning beijing time. so at nearly 2:30 in the morning, he is not only awake and tweeting about his big election night a year ago. talk about lost in translation. what really mattered in american politics at 2:00 a.m. in beijing

was a democratic blowout. democrats beating trump's backed candidate in the virginia governor's race. that state, blue and they picked up the governor's mansion in new jersey, which was opened by the republican, chris christie. "outfront" now, former communications director for the ted cruz campaign and former counsel to bill clinton. paul, let me start with the d drama of this moment 20:30 in the morning in beijing, the president is tweeting a picture as if it were a year ago. about a big win when obviously that was not the story last night. what do you make of that? he's obviously obsess ed. >> i think it's unfortunate that host on a very important foreign policy trip and i think it's been a very successful trip regard to the relationships he's building and growing on and being forceful with north korea and unfortunately, he's off tweeting about something that it's really not great timing given the election results that

we had yesterday and clearly, i think he's trying to put the best face on this. but the reality is while he did certainly one tremendous electoral college victory last year, he didn't win the popular vote and those are the people he needs to really focus on as expanding that base and growing that base and it's just not working out the way it should be and i think the results we had in virginia and in new jersey and down ballot in virginia were an indication are not sats fied with just the attitude, but the accomplishments or lack there of. >> you're republican, a tried and true republican. you've been supportive of this president so i think it's significant what you're saying. paul, look, coming into this race, the republican candidate in virginia, ed gillespie, had not appeared with president trump, right? he had been concerned that would

be a liability. but trump did tweet in favor of him. tweeted to vote for him. but then last night you know again in the middle of the night, the president tweeted quote, ed gillespie worked hard but did not embrace me or what i stand for. with the economy doing record number, we will continue to win bigger than before. so what he's saying is first of all, i know i told you to vote for the guy, but whatever, he's a loser. forget that part. he's saying he didn't embrace me or he would have u won. is that possibly true? >> no, i kind of hate to -- i'm alice is with cnn and not president trump. everything she should was really, really smart advice. i'm hoping i know he's a cable tv addict and i know he's watching, but i'm hoping he's not listening. his best move here, he's on the international stanl. even i as a hard core democrat, i want my president to succeed. he's my president, too. the more he pictured s himself n those set e sethings, the more

assailable he comes. he loves to get down to the notion that somehow, ed gillespie would have prospered by embracing president trump more, it's noutty. i suppose -- trumpism is what killed glees pi. he embraced trump's racist ads that he ran about immigration. outrageous ads trying to tie his opponent to child pornography. insane trumpist stuff and the people of virginia rejected it and i think republicans need to look really hard at what they've done wrong as democrats have been in the last year after trump beat us in 2016. >> alice, look, 33% of americans in a poll we have tonight, 33% of americans say trump deserves to be re-elected in 2020. that's a really bad number. however, however, it does match roughly the support, the now president had before the election last year. does it signal, alice, that yes

in the broader electorate, there is repudiation of trump, but among that core base, that is rock solid. >> he had that core base regardless of what he said or did throughout the primary and up through the general election. i applaud him for that. he's working hard to really continue to galvanize that support. but the reality is politics is about game of addition and not subtraction and not staying the same. the it's really important and i think they can do it if they have accomplishments on tax reform and possibly with regard to care, they need to broaden the base. expand on the core voters that he got in the general election. because it would be helpful not only for him with regard to his re-election this 2020, but certainly for republicans running in the midterms next year. they need to take a lesson from what happened yesterday, start having some legislative accomplishments, certainly tax reform is a great place to start.

>> so the president is saying if gillespie hadn't distanced himself, saying i'm not the thing that stuck, it was you. remember what happened a year ago when i won big. it's not just you, alice. there are other republicans on capitol hill right now who say that is not at all the way you interpret this, that this was a referendum on the president of the united states. here are two of them. >> i think that last night was a referendum. i don't think there's any way that you can look at it in a different way. >> put it that way. >> okay. four different house republicans meantime, paul, have announced they're going to retire this week. some in safe districts, but it's become a stampede. will we see more of that? >> you will. it's a canary in a coal mine. i've live d through landslides. it always begins with retirements. some in safe seats, but some did not. frank from new jersey retired. that's a very swing district.

you're goung to see more and more. it's not just the president and i think people need to understand this. it's not just yes devicive and pushed away one out of four of the people who voted for him. one out of four. they voted for him knowing he was devicive. why have they left him? because of the agenda senator hatch is talking about. mar particularly medicaid. the biggest issue in virginia yesterday was hemt care. trying to destroy medicaid as we know it, which i think the bill would have done, has hurt the republicans normally. that's just from just donald trump's tweets. that's substance. i think the tax bill is going to be a gift to democrats running against house republicans as well. not going to be good for trump voters. >> the tax bill is at the center of whether this president can fly or whether he will fail. next, we're going to talk bt that with the man in charge of it. trump insists he has nothing to

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president trump calling himself a big loser. he's not talking about last night. his surprise call to senate democrats revealing his accountant told him under his tax plan, he'd lose out with his taxes going up and he used the

words, big loser. now this is not the first time trump has made this climb. here he is speaking with me more than two years ago on his tax plan. >> you, will you pay more money? will it be millions and millions? how much more will you pay? >> i will probably end up paying more money, but at the same time, i think the economy will do better, but i probably end up paying more money. >> it would be nice to believe that, but without his returns, we only have his word to go on and some information such that we have frankly that makes him sound like a bit of a bluffer and look like a big winner. a few pages of his 20051040 tax form became public in march and in that year, he paid $38 million in taxes. a lot. the return including 31 million he owed. trump's tax plan eliminates the amt, so he'd save millions of

dollars there. the plan also slashes the tax rate for what's called a pass through enter thety. that's basically reporting business income on your personal tax return. according to this letter, trump has more than 500 of these, so when his tax plan slashes taxes on them from the high earnings to 25%, well trump would be a big winner. "outfront" now, the director of the office of management and budget, he knows the ins and outs of the better that than e anyone. you are the person to talk to. let's get straight to the latest cnn poll. in the poll we have, 21% of americans think this plan will make them better off. 21%. are they all, everyone else who thinks this is not going to be good for them, are they wrong? >> yeah, the other 79% of the folks who think it's not going to be better for them are wrong. it doesn't surprise me. a lot of the news coverage has

been very negative. even today, we hear stories more about the infighting with the republicans on taxes, which i'm not hearing here in washington, d.c., not about the benefits to people. so there's been so much negative attention and a lot of it inaccurate. i think there was a story put out yesterday about the tax policy center paper that was refrekted, but still got a lot of coverage before it was correcteded. so there's been a lot of negative coverage. it's not unusual in this political day and anyonge. we're absolutely confident that everyone's going to benefit from this. >> i believe the numbers where they had put out saying 30% of americans over the next ten years would see a tax increase. they still say 25% are going to get a tax increase. >> again, i'll say the same thing identify sa've said over couple of days. in washington, d.c., hire whoever you want to say whatever number. if our numbers here at the white house show the same thing, if they show taxes are going up on the middle class, on the house plan, the senate plan, on some

combination of the two, we won't sign it. the principles are straightforward. he wants lower taxes on hard workers and he wants it to be easier for them to pay their taxes. that's one principle. the other is he wants that lower corporate rate. if those two things are violated, he's not going to sign a piece of legislation, so i know there's been a lot of discussion about what if and you know, what asunltss you can make. at the end of the day, if we believe this is a middle class tax increase, he's not going to sign it. >> a couple of questions. one, just one of the examples here. the deduction for people with high medical costs. this affects 8.8 million americans in the latest year. 8.8 million americans had $87 billion worth of deductions in their taxes in 2015 because of this. these are people under great medical duress. high out of pocket costs. many senior citizens. but you're eliminating that deduction for them. >> i'm not sure if a lot of them

are senior citizens. i don't have that same report in front of me. but keep in mind, what you've just done is assumed away a big piece of the tax code. don't feel bad. a lot of people do that. they focus on a piece of the bill they don't like. >> but it effects millions of people. i understand there's winners and losers. >> true but what you're ignoring is the fact we're doubling the standard deduction. you have to itemize in order to take those deductions. you've got to report. i don't. but my guess is what it doesn't show is how many people would choose not to itemize that particular expense because they're better off taking this larger standard deduction. that goes to, the same erin by the way for your mortgage interest, your state and local taxes. if you go from 127 to 24,000, that's an additional deduction and if you're getting a less than that now in the deduction you just talked about or in your mortgage interest or state and local, you don't care because

we're getting a alarmer deduction d than you would under the old system. >> there's something fundamental i want to try to understand here. you said the president wants hard working americans to get a tax cut. fundamentally in the tax bill that you have here, someone who inherits money with your estate tax cut or gets investment income as the main source of their income, they pay a lower rate. than a lot of people who work every single day for their paycheck. that's just the reality of the tax rates. that is a fundamental point here, right? it sounds like just in this bill. that you u all believe ha hard work and going to work every day is worth less than someone who lives off a trust fund because the two rates show that. >> yeah, no they don't. and kein mind, a lot of folks d this same thing. they look at dividends and go only trust fund babies live off of dividends. that's not true. many folks in this nation are invested heavily in dividends. if you have a pension fund. if you're a hard working labor

worker in this country and you have union's pension, you are counting on dividends. if you are retireded. so i absolutely dismiss this predilection to say if a dif depd, it must be a trust fund baby. many americans are invested. >> you have a fair point there, but it is true that if you are living off dividend income as a wealthy individual or you are going to benefit from the estate tax going away and you're a really rich person, you are going to benefit big time. and you are going to benefit a lot more than somebody who's getting some income from an at&t dividend, some senior citizen, right? that's just the math. >> pick one of those. the state tax for example. this is a mund mental question, a policy question. you could look at it in terms of the politics of division and economic, however you want to call it, but let's look at it in terms of just flat out policy. should death get the irs involved in your business? should death be a taxable

transaction? i don't think it should. we don't think it should. many republican, democrat, many swing voters don't think death should be a taxable transaction. if you make money, fine. tax you on that. you want to sell a stock, that's a choice you make, fine, but you die, most of the times, that's not a choice. and it should not invite the irs into your life. so let those, the estates pass to the heirs. if the heirs decide to then sell whatever happened to be given to them, they didn't pay tax on that because they made that choice. it's just good policy. it's not the politics of sort of socioeconomic fighting. >> so i have a letter here from the president's tax attorneys, which we have. it's relateded to russia. they were fi certifying he didn't have business with russia. it says that the president of the united states is the sole or principle owner in more than 500 separate entities. a tax expert today tells us those are most like lly pass

throughs. they would go to 25%, so for the president, that would mean theoretically, he'd go from top bracket to 25%. that's a massive tax cut for him. why don't the american people have the right to know? how their president benefits or is impacted by this bill? >> the issue that got washed out as far as i'm concerned in the election and i don't get involved in the politics in my work at the office of management and budget, but i'm happy to speak to you about the impact of the pass throughs. under the proposal at least as the house laid out, this was the proposal that the house of representatives set forth. 70% of all of that pass through income that the president has, at least 70%, would be tax ed a the highest rate that he would have any way. assume he's operating at the highest income levels. the tax bracket would be 39.6% at most. 70% of his pass through income would be taxed at the highest

rate. if you're implying he's going to get a tax cut across the board, it's just not consistent with what the house said ch i don't know what the senate is going to do. i still think the pass through rate is one of the things that is probably going to be the most difficult to work out between the house and the senate and the white house. so it's probably too early to say look, this is what the pass through treatment is going to be. >> so, do you believe that the president when he said he is quote a big lose frger from thi bill, do you from what you know believe that to be true? >> i have no idea how the president has structured his income, how it's worth. honestly, i don't think it's any of my business. i will tell you that by virtue of the fact that the president lives many some, had some very expensive properties and high tax states, new york specif specifically, he's going to pay a fairly substantial price if they get rid of the state and local tax deductions. whether or not that is off set by other reductions, maybe it is, maybe it isn't. all i'm telling you is it's not fair to look at one part of the tax proposal and say because of

this, the president's going to pay more or because of that, the president's going to pay less. you can't do it that way. you have to look at it as one giant tax proposal. >> thank you so much. i appreciate your time tonight. >> thanks, erin. >> and next, an unprecedented number of women run ining for office and winning and many have one thing in common. >> we got a message, trump has heard and heard it clear. >> and no excuse from president obama when it comes to injury duty. he showed up to a chicago courthouse today. you nervous? ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

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tonight, a surge of women elected to public office last night after an unprecedented number of first time female candidates ran. and it appears that is because of the president. many of these women were fueled by their feelings about him. >> racism is -- sexism, mthis i how we respond. >> call this the after shock to trump's earthquake. newly elected women storming into virginia state government from jennifer carol foy. >> we sent a huge message. trump has heard it. >> to cathy tran, the first elected asian american woman.

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former president barack obama in court today. he was reporting for jury duty in chicago. he still owns a home there. most likely, he was the only rory to arrive amidst a fleet of black suvs. he was there half a day. he shook hands. a lot of people wanted to capture him on their cell pho s phones. he was dismissed a short time later. did not have to serve on a jury. tonight, the man who has captured many of the former president's private moments, pete souza, the chief white house photographer. his book is a collection of photographs from his time in the

white house. what i think is interesting, pete, you actually first met barack obama four years before he was in the white house. he was the senator. he had a windowless office in a picture you took. four years and 16 days later, inauguration day. you got that first picture of him realizing that this is his new office how did he change from that first day with the basement office, no windows till the end? >> i mean, you go back to january 2005 and you go back to even today, and the core of his character is still the same, he hasn't changed one bit in terms of his character. he really hasn't. >> you were also able to capture moments that are so important to the person and to the presidency and some of the intimate family moments. there's several pictures that

you share of barack and michelle, there's one of them before one of the inaugural ball. and then there's the two of them backstage waiting to be introduced at a reception. you were able to watch them in these -- as much as any moment between them could be, unscripted moments. >> they were very playful together. the interesting thing about the job of the white house photographer i do get to see him at the national security meeting. i do get a glimpse of their family life and what it's like on a vacation, all the different compartments of his life. because of that when you put all my pictures together you get a sense of what he's like as a person, like you said and not just a president. >> and he also was able to laugh about some thing about himself. he's got big ears. >> sure. >> and he's open about that.

tell me about this picture. he actually asked you for a copy of this one. >> so, the first time he saw this graph he just stopped and started cracking up. he said look at that the two most famous sets of ears in washington. >> that sounds like a donald trump-sort of a existent almost. on that i want to ask you -- you were not in a political role, obviously you were, you were photographing president obama and reagan, you're a picture who take pictures in chronicles of presidency, that's what you do. but you have become more open about what you think when it comes to president trump. he visited texas after hurricane harvey and he said something that got you to comment. let me play what he said first. >> what a turn out, this has historic, it's epic what

happened. but you know what it happened in texas and texas can handle thing. >> your response was to put out a picture of president obama with a caption which read, president obama with sandy, there are no democrats hurting it's just americans. it's about helping our fellow human beings. what made you chose to speak out in that way? >> i'll say this, i'm now a private citizen and i think i have the right to post public domain photos and i think i've been very respectful and very subtle if the way i do that. i just would rather let me instagram feed speak for itself rather than weigh in on what i was trying to say or what my interpretation was. >> so, i just want to show a couple more. melania trump, the moment when they're walking off the airplane on the trip to the middle east,

appearing to swat away trump's hand. in a response you posted a picture of president and michelle obama holding hands. and president posed with a picture with a pope and you posted a picture of president obama with the pope, mutual admiration, 2015. i know you're letting it speak for itself but a picture in your view can say more than words. >> i think the one thing that's great about photography it's subjective and people read into it what they want. >> so, and obviously you put your captions. i know the point you're making. president obama and you are friends. he wrote the foreword to your book. in it he wrote over those eight years pete became more than a photographer.

he became a confidante and brother. we broke up long nights with card ghams. i consider him and patty, referring to your wife, as part of our family. are you still speaking with him or seeing him now that he's left office? >> yes. i went down to texas with him for that benefit concert for hurricane victims. when i heard all five presidents are going to be there i thought this was a historical moment. >> and what did he say when you told him you were doing this book? >> he was excited, anxious to get a copy. when we flew down to texas, two weeks ago hadn't yet given him a copy so he was testy with me. where's my copy. so i gave him a copy when we got back from texas. >> i really appreciate you pete thank you very much. a prayer service about to begin in texas for the victims

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and their families. he said evil had descended upon the area. >> we'll get through this, we'll get through this with faith and on the basis of the good and strong people of this community and of this great state. >> certainly words of great meaning for those there. the church service will go on this sunday at the first baptist church. anderson starts now. good evening we begin tonight with breaking news in the russian investigation. news that could determine how president trump's former top advisers cooperates with mueller or when he'll corporate at all. we talk about michael flynn and the concern he has about the leadership of his son. in a moment what this could mean as well as what it says about the essential counsel's tactics. jim schuitto with