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moore to leave the race. former presidential candidates mitt romney and john mccain have and two other gop senators have just pulled their endorsement, mike lee and steve daines. for the moment alabama republicans are largely standing by moore. some even using the bible to explain his alleged sexual contact with a 14-year-old. today on sean hannity's radio show he called the allegations completely false but his recollection with dating teenage girls is raising some eye brauz. listen. >> do you remember dating girls that young at that time? >> not generally, no. if i did, you know, i'm not going to dispute anything, but i don't remember anything like that. >> would it be normal behavior back in those days for you to date a girl that's 17 or 18? >> no, not normal. >> you can say unequivocally you never dated anybody that was in their late teens like that when you were 32? >> it would have been out of my

customary behavior. that's right. >> in other words, you don't recall ever dating any girl that young when you were that old? >> i've said no. >> well, moore also denied knowing the accuser or ever meeting her and said that somebody who abuses a 14-year-old should not be a senate candidate. as we said, though, alabama republicans are largely defending him. state representative ed henry talking to a local newspaper saying, quote, if they believe this man is predatory, he said, they are guilty of allowing him to exist for 40 years. someone should prosecute and go after them. state representative henry joins us now. thanks so much for being with us. you believe roy moore clearly. you do not believe these women. i want to read a quote of what you said -- >> hold on a second, anderson. do you mind? you just gave the quote so -- >> let me give the full quote -- >> it's not going to give the full quote because you don't know the full quote. you're going to read what was printed, right? >> well, from al.com let me read

what's printed. if these women were for 40 women had protected a sexual predator they should be accomplices if you know somebody murdered somebody 40 years ago and you didn't say anything about it, you should be an police to that crime. you helped cover it up. you helped keep it from going. >> absolutely. there's two different things we're talking about. and both of these are in conversations about just the greater world in which we live. and if you are going to basically protect by your silence a crime, then you're part of that. and what the conversation was really around was the things like the bill cosby event where -- or the incidents where he had molested women, paid them to be quiet, went and molested other women, made them to be quiet and so on and so forth. skbh both of these were lengthy conversations. >> i've got -- it sounds like

you're saying. >> you're going to protect somebody then you're part of it. >> so you're saying victims of sexual assault -- >> you are part of -- if you are part of silencing and keeping silence a crime, then you are culpable. >> so children who have been raped by a priest and never came forward about it, they should be -- >> that's not what we're talking about. >> we're talking about sexual assault of a child. >> no. what i was talking about were those instances. what you and a lot of the left would like to say is, oh, because he made this one statement, it applies to everything that he believes. and it's just not true. >> that's why we're having -- >> if you are a pedophile and you are taking advantage of children and i hear about it, know about it, trust full well there will be hell to pay. >> of course. i have no doubt about that. but it does seem -- and again, that's why we want you on and i know you wanted to explain your comments because you got a lot of criticism for it.

it does seem like you're saying this particular case, this allegedly was a 14-year-old girl who was -- had a sexual encounter with mr. moore when he was 32 years old. >> supposedly, right. that's your comment is supposedly, right? >> yes. allegedly. if this is true, you're saying she is as culpable as him because she didn't come forward for 40 years if it's true? >> no, no. and that's where the disconnect is. we were talking more along the lines of just in theory of people who are quiet about things that know are responsible. and it is disingenuous, in my opinion, for 50 something-year-old women to come forward four weeks prior to a major senatorial election, one of the 100 most powerful people in the world that we're going to elect in four weeks, and four

weeks out we have these allegations. that no one in alabama has heard about. it surfaces. it just reeks of politics. and this is what it really does. this is what kind of bothers me the most, i think, because it actually distracts from actual victims. people who have been molested, who have been assaulted the way they have -- >> you don't know what happened. >> further quiet anybody that has truly been assaulted. and that's the problem. >> well, actually, sin the thing that's going to quiet people -- excuse me, sir. >> you have no idea what the truth is. you have no idea. >> nor do you. you're tag a stand based on no information. >> what i have at least i know one of the individuals, right. do you know any of them? >> no, i don't. >> do you know any of them? >> no, i don't. >> have you sat down -- >> you've told me because you've

he likes little girls. >> he is a stalwart in conservative principles, a man who says what he says and means what he says and is willing to die for his country and i look at the face of the facts on this that all of a sudden after 40 years supposedly these women are going to come forward four weeks out from a senatorial election, it reeks, it smells horrible. >> i understand. >> to me. >> okay. >> and i am making the decision personally that i do not believe them. >> okay. in another interview, though, because this wasn't just one interview that you gave. that was with al.com. with the kol man times you said if they believe this man is predatory they are guilty of allowing him to exist for 40 years. i think someone should prosecute and go after them. that's not hypothetical. you are talking about -- >> and here is the thing. so i had offered to your producer to bring the reporter of the coleman times on the show with me tonight and let him

explain to you the entire conversation, because that's not what we were talking about. that's not -- he didn't portray it the way that it is being taken by you and many of the people on the left. i mean, there are -- what amazes me is how many hate-mongers there are out there on the left. >> i'm just receipting your quote. >> a flower child oh, we love peace and everybody until you say something they don't like and then they're willing to kill you. and that's scary. >> are you saying the quote is not correct? >> part of it is because of things like this where you and others like you right leg go to try and denim gog. >> i don't know who others like me are. i don't know what you're indicating. but i'm simply -- i've invited you on. i'm allowing you to speak freely. i'm questioning you about quotes that you yourself have given in multiple interviews. i understand you're under pressure from this and you're backtracking from it. >> i'm not. i'm telling you the quote is being misconstrued. >> so you're not saying that any of these women should be

prosecuted because they remain silent and you're not saying that they are accomplices. >> no. no. >> that if they stayed silent, you're not saying they're accomplices. >> no. >> okay. fair enough. >> that was not the context of the conversation. >> okay. you say that you -- >> i realize -- and now the reporter realizes that was the way it was taken, but that's not what was -- the way it was -- >> it was actually in two interviews, so it's not just one reporter. you consider, though, you said roy moore to be a victim. is that correct? >> yes. i think in these times of instances you have an accuser and an accused. and i think probably more often than not the accuser is the victim. but i do believe occasionally the accused is the victim. and i believe in this instance that roy moore is the victim. i believe he is the victim of a political hack job. and who is behind it? i don't know. i have no idea who paid for all of this and who will be paying for it in weeks to come.

>> so you think -- >> roy moore is the victim. >> the "washington post" says that either miscorfman or any of the other women actually sought out the paper. that they spent a long time in alabama investigating this. they have dozens of interviews with people and that all of these women were initially reluctant to speak out. miscorfman made it clear in the post that she's actually voted republican in the past three elections, including for donald trump in 2016. i'm wondering evidence you have that this was politically motivated or is it just a gut feeling? >> anderson, how many weeks until the senate election, sen to heral election? do you know? >> yeah. it's a couple weeks. it's four weeks away. >> all right. less than four weeks. and so all of a sudden after 40 years, and this is not -- roy moore is not a guy that's been hiding in the shadows for the last 40 years doing nothing. this guy has been on the front line every single leftist group out there hates him.

there are people within the right side of the party, the establishment, they hate roy moore. i know for a fact if this had been any wrr out there, if he had anything like this in his past, it would have come out by now. and here we are right before a huge election with national implications between a republican and a democrat, all of a sudden this is front page news. this is headline news. >> so do you think the "washington post" is -- >> and i'm not buying it. it's political. it is political at every level. >> but are you saying that the "washington post" reporters are, you know, they are paying these people? are you saying this is some sort of liberal plot -- >> i don't know who is behind it. i do not know who is behind it, but it is absolutely political. there is only -- >> you talk about the difficulty of women coming forward and your concern that this would -- any false allegations make it harder for people to make real

allegations to come forward. >> absolutely. absolutely. >> certainly labeling these women as somehow politically motivated or looking for money or whatever it is, doesn't that -- >> i didn't label them that. they labeled themselves that by being used if in fact they are, they labeled themselves that by being used in this political process. that is the only reason this is coming out is to -- >> this is what they're saying is actually true. >> suppress voters on the republican ticket on december the 12th. it is entirely, entirely, the only, only outcome is to suppress voters. that's all this is is voter suppression. >> there have been some people who said that if moore did this with a 14-year-old girl that it was a long time ago and that they would still vote for him. and just to be clear, if roy moore did these things, do you think he should resign? he said to sean hannity today anybody who did that to a 14-year-old girl should not seb in the senate. >> i think anybody that tries to

answer the question if something is a fool. >> i don't understand. >> your question should be -- look, if anything happened, my grandfather used to have a nice kwib about a frog and if he had wings. but here is the thing. frog doesn't have wings and so for you to comment on it makes you as foolish as the question. >> well, i guess roy moore is foolish because he commented on it today when sean hannity asked him that same question. >> the real question is -- >> i'm just -- >> do you believe roy moore or do you believe the women? and you believe the women. i get that. >> no. i'm not saying -- it's not my job to judge who is telling the truth or not. there's just numbers of people on the record in interviews with the "washington post," so i'm not taking a position on this. i'm just asking you questions, and i don't think it's a crazy question to ask -- >> i would say have a tone to

them. >> if somebody did this, do you believe that they should serve in the united states senate? i assume you would say no. >> i would say this. anyone who mow lesz a child, male or female, needs to be prosecuted, period. >> do you think -- you're a good reared of the politics of the situation. do you think -- you know, if this is a plot by liberals or whomever you think it is, do you think it's going to have a desired impact or do you think it's very possible that this is going to rally more people around judge moore because this is -- >> it will do a little of both. you're right on that. i think you'll probably see a greater suppression of the vote than a rally of the base. i think you'll see it will -- there will be enough people out there that once that feather goes out of misconduct, whatever it be, there will be enough

people that will just hear enough of the news because they're not attuned to it like you or myself, and they will stay home. they just won't go vote. >> lastly -- >> that's really all this is is about voter suppression. >> to the two senators, mike lee of utah and steve daines of montana who withdraw their endorsements of him tonight, what do you think they may be thinking or trying to do. >> you know, it's sad that we have that many cowards in washington, d.c. they are going to allow -- and maybe they just don't know roy moore well enough and if that's the case they shouldn't have ever endorsed him to begin with or considered to have endorsed him. but if you really believe that this is a good man and you're going to allow simply the allegation, no evidence, no corroboration, then -- and you're going to withdraw your support and you're an elected official, then i feel you're a

coward. >> there were a number of people -- according to the "washington post" reporting there were a number of people who these women talked to around the time of this. so it's not as if nobody was ever informed. they just -- they didn't go public with it. >> what did they say, anderson? >> the mother of the 14-year-old girl remembers roy moore coming up to her. she said things to friends at the time that she was seeing an older man, i believe. you know, there were other people who were told, other people who were interviewed. it doesn't raise any questions for you? >> the things that the other ladies said were -- i mean, they were just extremely vague and while they would love to say something, there just isn't anything there to say. >> i've been really focusing on the 14-year-old girl. >> i do not buy it. >> i've been focusing more on the 14-year-old girl because the age of consent is 16. these other people, other women, they were teenagers, but they were above the age of consent.

so for me, you know, i think the main gist of that article was focusing on the 14-year-old. >> right. right. and that's -- that is really where the article is completely gotten most of its feet, because without the 14-year-old, no one would have run the story. and so you get this -- the funny thing is it's really not talking about a 14-year-old. we're talking about, what, a 40, had 50-year-old person today telling a story 40 years ago. >> the other women -- >> people that are older than that trying to tell a story as how they recall an interviews that happened 40 years ago. >> should also point out the other women did say -- >> a little bit bit not a lot of details. >> one of the other women i should point out did say that roy moore approached her when she was 14 years old when she was a santa's helper in the mall. it wasn't until she was actually 16 that he asked her out on a

date. >> that is her statement to the "washington post." i do not discount that's her statement. >> yeah. well, representative -- >> i don't believe it. >> i appreciate you being on tonight. i hope you feel we gave you a chance to say what you really wanted to say. >> thank you very much, anderson. >> thank you very much. much more on this next, including attempts to justify any such behavior using scripture as someone else did in alabama, including mary and joseph's relationship. and later breaking news in a story straight out of a aus expense novel, the man who was about to become national security adviser was offered millions of dollars to kidnap a resident of this country and send him overseas. michael flynn's attorneys addressing the allegations strongly tonight. [vo] progress is an unstoppable force.

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>> well, you know, as you pointed out, that roy moore felt so much that he had to get his message out again today he went on conservative talk radio. one thing is very clear, here, in gad zen which is his hometown and the state of alabama beyond, this issue, the accusations that have been made have shaken not just the community, not just the state, but shaken his campaign. and what looked like a campaign that was on the way to winning. now has a lot of dark clouds hanging over it. now, those who know roy moore know that he's not going to back down, back outage, and they don't expect that the state republican party in any way is going to interfere in all of this. but it's clear that roy moore is also shaken by all of this. and that's kind of a stroing thing because roy moore is no stranger to controversy in his 40 years of being in political life. he stood up for a lot of causes that many people don't agree with, religious, moral and otherwise. but this time what's different is personal. it's about him. it's about something he is

alleged to have done in the past, and that clearly has struck a nerve and struck at the core. and that's what this town and alabama is buzzing about and still trying to come to grips with, anderson. >> you spok to manufacture his supporters. i'm wondering what they have to say. >> well, you know, it varies. not everybody is first and foremost a roy moore fan. even conservatives. there's a great divide in the republican party here. and on those who vote republican. but for the most part the big thing that's been brought up before by your guests is timing. people look at this and say why now? why does this come just weeks before this critical vote? it's a common conversation you have, and here is just an example. >> he played baseball back in mid 2,000s and he would come down and help the community. i don't think he's done that right there. why didn't it come up seven, eight weeks ago. all of a sudden two weeks from now all of this stuff kol up.

i believe it's a lot of bs. i really do. i think he's a nice guy. >> a lot of people are mulling that over, why is it now? leigh corfman, of course, she is the woman who has come forward and said at 14 that she was sexually abused here. she had considered several times in the past, but the problem was she always feared the avalanche of just reaction that would come, the backlash and the anger and what do you know. it appears everything she feared is coming true. now, again, the allegations have not been proven, but they are certainly having an impact. anderson. >> martin savage. appreciate that. we alerted earlier to the attempt to justify any contact between roy moore and his accuser using script tour. alabama state audio tore zblim ziegler telling the washington examiner, take the bible. zach rya was extremely old to mary elizabeth. he had to take joseph and mary. marry was a teenager and joseph

was an adult carpenter. they became parents of jesus. there's just nothing immoral or illegal here. maybe just a bit unusual. as you might imagine that will -- katy wise of local station in mobile did manage to speak with him. she joins us now. so you were able to reach him regarding the comments he made to the washington examiner. what did he have to say. >> that's right, anderson. well, over the last few years of being an investigative reporter here in alabama, i have sustained somewhat of a rapport with ziegler, so i gave him a call about his defense for roy moore and on the phone with me he shied away from making those biblical reference that you just mentioned, but instead he gave me more a vague response saying there are several examples over the years of older men marrying younger woman, including moore himself, who married someone 14 years younger than him. and the get go really ziegler

has been one of moore's strongest supporters, so he did have a few other things to say about these allegations. >> first of all, roy moore denies the allegation. secondly, the allegations happened 37 years ago. why is this just now coming out? of course, the answer is because he's about to be elected as a united states senator. thirdly, the "washington post" report did not say that roy moore had sexual intercourse with a single person or even attemptedment they're simply trying to paint a negative picture. >> and if it were true, what are your thoughts if these allegations are correct? >> they've not alleged anything

except a single 30, 3 is-year-old mandating younger girls. that's even if the worst case scenario. >> there were some allegations that he asked one of the younger dpirls to touch him inappropriately, things like that. >> listen, he denies all of that. >> it's pretty stunning. i've got to say, to hear what he's saying. i mean, first of all, he's saying there were no intercourse. again, we are talking about a 14-year-old girl. the allegation is he stripped down, he stripped down and he made her touch him and he touched her over her underwear. >> right. >> and the idea that there was nothing wrong with him just dating a younger girl. again, the allegation is she was 14 at the time. do you hear that a lot? >> right.

well, i think honestly really it's just a mixed bag of reaction from voters here in the area. i think a lot of people really are shocked, just as you are, both about the allegations against moore and of course the way that ziegler is defending him. but of course, really just many of the republicans here in alabama just really resonate with moore's religious anti-establishment form of politics. and that's what this is really all about. many of those voters here locally have said they feel the "washington post" report is false, just as you heard ed henry talk about. so i think this really won't phase too many of the voters here in the state who have already just made up their minds to vote for moore and hearing what zbleg her had to say, while it may be shocking to some people, they see it as a further defense for moore's case. >> thanks very much. one note on the scripture that mr. ziegler cited, father james

martin weighed in on it, tweeting for the bibically challenge, we have no idea about the exact ages of either the virgin mary or joseph at the time of their betroet aland marriage. two, comparing the allegations against roadway moore in any way to joseph and mary is disgusting. his words. maria, let me start off with you, how do you see this? >> you know, this to me is something that the republican party really is going to have to deal with because the more that these kinds of allegations come up and the more that people are supporting roy moore the more you're going to see the erosion of the republican party as you see core rosesive and cord u cowardly and selective use of kefbt values to support a candidate, their boulevard capped, no matter how morally and hypocritical they are.

morally corrupt and hit critical they seem to be. and it's also, i think, going to remind people that almost exactly one year ago this also happened with their republican party presidential candidate when 16 women came out, allegations against president trump, and many republicans looked the other way. i think after this week's democratic sweeps in the elections, things are starting to change, and i think roy moore could be in real trbl in alabama. >> you heard his interview earlier today. i'm wondering your take away from what he said. >> my feeling is that the "washington post" story -- his response and response from other republicans in alabama are going to do him in. he was extremely defensive. he claimed persecution from the democrats and the media. when he was pressed daush i mean, hannity was leading him to answer the questions essentially saying like well, don't you think this is wrong. he didn't go into the interview saying this is absolutely wrong, i can't believe this happened and here is how i'm trying to

clear it up. there was not an ounce of compassion in his voice. and at one point in the interview which i found really disturbing which does merit a follow-up question is that he said well, i never dated young women without getting the mother's permission. i mean, what? that needs some follow-up question. and now that i see that roy moore is refusing to debate the democratic candidate allegedly because of his extreme position on transgender issues, i feel like he's imploding. if that was a legitimate reason, disagreement they had, you debate the whole point of a campaign is to draw distinctions. but he is running and hiding and only speaking in the safest of places to sean hannity. >> jeff, do you think he should stay in the race? >> i think that right now he probably has to because of the ballot. you can't swap his name out. he may want to make some commitment that if these allegations are true, i will bow out and then republican governor kaye ivy will replace me with another republican. but right now do we really want

to send another vote to elizabeth warren and chuck schumer. and i think that's that that's one of the things that our parties have boiled down to in today's environment is that you just say, okay, i'm going to overlook a whole lot of questions, a whole lot of allegations because i don't want to give one more vote to the other side. i'm want saying that's a good thing. i'm just saying that's the practical side of it. i think he should really go out as much as possible publicly with his wife, with his children, with his grandchildren and maybe members of the evangelical community and he theeds to show a contrition that these allegations are out there, but he should be very forthcoming and that these things did not happen. but i do want to say this. as a southerner and as a republican there is a great suspicion of the "washington post" and the washington establishment. remember, he ran against mitch mcconnell and the republicans. he's never been an establishment guy. so he's run 40 years in public

office as an outsider. this is not real unusual territory for him. and i think he can actually -- i'm just speaking as a politically practicing matically how would i advice roy moore, and that's what i would say to him. >> so, bill, how do you see this playing out on the ground in alabama? >> well, first off, anderson, thank you for having me on. and having lived in new york city and having lived in alabama, this is home, i see the filter of how it's being portrayed in the bigger cities. i also see it how it's being played out here on the ground. and being here as an investigative reporter, wishing both sides, we are seeing the people that do not like roy moore. this gives him another reason to find him reprehensible. the side that likes roadway moore, this is giving them a reason to say our guy is being picked on once again.

and the selection will mostly be decided in the middle. and in the middle folks so far were staying home. they didn't vote for luther strieng. they didn't vote for doug jones. so it's what happens in the middle. will they stay home or go out and vote? and so down here it's not as fraught with anxiety as it's being portrayed out in the national media. and i don't say that that's wrong, because any allegation of sexual impropriety with any child is serious business. >> let me just raise one point on the local angle. you've got to remember we're only 48 hours into this "washington post" story. there is going to be follow-up reporting on the ground from local reporters like the woman you had earlier in your show. this isn't anywhere near over. and so rhyme very curious to see where we are in a week or so because what those sources reveal on the ground for the people who do have personal relationships with those people, because right now we're just seeing surrogates on roy moore's behalf, that will reveal a lot

more. >> but remember, if he can successfully shift this to politics and away from the moral ground, i think he has a road to a strong come back in the path to victory. if he's up able to do that and it stays in this moral argument, i think that he is not -- >> he won't be able to do that, jack, given the environment that we're in and when you're talking about sexual assault and so many of the other industries and people that have been accused. women are starting to be believed, and the "washington post," as anderson pointed out earlier, these were not anonymous women. these are not bem who were not willing to tell their story. >> maria, the woman gibson worked for hillary clinton, joe biden and pat murphy. no. she's got pictures on her web page. >> she's not some democratic operative -- i've heard -- >> she actually created a company which provides services for the hearing impaired. that's -- >> yeah. and all i'm saying, though, is

he can build on that to say this is politics. i'm just saying on a practical political matter -- >> but one of the things about this that, i mean, whether it's -- whoever you believe with -- first of all, pause is it happened so long ago it probably will end up unless there is some sort of ed or people at the time remembering and coming forward, it can very well end up being their word against his word and then this allows people to just, again, it's into the tribalism of our societies right now. people retreat to their corners, see it through the hens of politics and that's how it's interpreted. >> this will probably be he said she said because the only way these things get settled now is if there's video or audio. that probably is not going to happen in this case, which is why i think we need to be very carefully paying attention to roy moore's response. >> and i'm not being partisan when i say that, but say this, but until a blue dress is found in the closet that was worn by a

24-year-old intern, i don't think there's enough right now. however, what amanda said is true, if there are more stories and more witnesses that come out, then that's going to be a huge problem. >> we've got to leave it there. thank you so much. just ahead, "the wall street journal" is reporting that robert mueller is investigating an alleged plan to pay former national security adviser mike flynn and his son millions of dollars to make a muslim cleric leave the united states. the latest on that next. ♪ ♪ everyone deserves attention, whether you've saved a lot or just a little. at pnc investments, we believe you're more than just a number. so we provide personal financial advice for every retirement investor. (avo) if yand constipation,ling and you're overwhelmed

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the lawyers for former white house national security adviser flynn are denying the report that he's being vefd in a bizarre plot to kidnap a muslim cleric in the united states. "the wall street journal" broke the story. pamela brown has details. >> cnn has learned special counsel robert mueller is investigating flynn's role in

the alleged plot to forcibly remove muslim cleric gu lesson, a legal permanent resident of the united states. "the wall street journal" reports the fbi has already questioned several people regarding a meeting between the flynns and turkish government representatives in mid doesn't at the 21 club in manhattan. at the time flynn was just weeks away from starting his new role as donald trump's national security adviser. >> the next president of the united states right here. >> in an interview with cnn conducted before "the wall street journal" story broke and airing sunday the turkish prime minister denies any deals were ever made with flynn but hoped it would win an extradition. >> had michael flynn provided you with any assurance that it would happen? >> no, no, no. no one has. >> at this point it's want known if a deal was reached or whether money was exchanged for this proposed plan of forced extradition. the december meeting follows

revelations of related discussions months before. former cbs director james wool i was part of a meeting in september with flynn and turkish officials about potential ways to get gulen back to turkey to face charges. >> there was at least some strong suggestion by one or more of the americans present at the meeting to the turks that we would be able to, the ns would be able through them to get hold of gulen. >> at the time a spokesman for flynn denied there were any talks about physically removing gulen. er dough juan has blamed a failed military coup on gu lesson. >> extradite this man in pennsylvania to turkey. if we are strategic partners or model partners, do what is necessary. >> okay. pam joips us now. what is the latest on this? any reaction from michael flynn and his attorneys. >> well, actually, flynn's

attorney replaced a rare statement tonight saying today's news cycle has brought allegations about general flynn ranging from kidnapping to bribery that are so outrageous and prejudicial that we are making an exception to our usual rule. they are false. so he normally does not release statements, as pointed out there. so this is unusual. and we want to point out too that flynn jr.'s attorney did not provide a comment for us. we should also mention, anderson, that flynn is also in hot water for not disclosing his lobbying work for the turkish government during the presidential campaign where he took around $500,000. he has retroactively registered as a foreign agent. >> someone who knows flynn, cnn military analyst general mark hurt ling. also cnn legal analyst chief richard been van east a. if this is true, is this illegal or what charges would there be.

>> you used the word bizarre and i couldn't improve on that. here is a wall street journal investigative report that says it's an allegation, and we have to await the fact. but if true, talking about kidnapping an american who is living here in the united states, a person who has all the protections of our constitution, and this being a general, a retired general of the united states who is about to become national security adviser to the president of the united states. >> who is also being paid by -- getting money from the turks. >> yes. and not filling out the proper forms and lying to the fbi about contacts with the russians, we are told. so he's in a world of hurt as far as this goes. and this is certainly the icing

on the cake to be even in the room. wool i talked about dismissing his involvement after he attended the first meeting, but now staying in the room, apparently not reporting this, a discussion of kad napping a federal crime of the highest order, it's incredible. and even if it was a discussion of using his authority once trump became president of the united states, to assist in an extradition in return for a payment and they're talking about $15 million, that's astonishing. >> general hurt ling, you know michael flynn for years. does this bog elyour mind? i mean, does it sound like something -- he did incredible things from my understanding in afghanistan, given his track record that he would end up doing this. >> yeah.

anderson, what i'd say, if this is true, it is jaw droppingly illegal, immoral and unethical for any citizen to do this. but for a retired general officer to do this, it's even more damaging. primarily because you give me the honary yum of calling me general hurt ling. you know, we keep that as we're retired, which means we kind of stay connected to the oath of office and the oath of allegiance to defend the constitution. this is a guy who is alleged to have been doing something against the government of the united states to collect money from a foreign government. it just to me is bizarre and truthfulel for this to happen on the eve of veterans day makes it even more distasteful. it's just amazing to me. mining flynn was a tremendous intelligence staff officer. he had several assignments with special operations command, but he was not a special operator. and i think perhaps, you know, maybe some of this impinged on

his good judgment thinking he could take, if this is true, he could take someone who has been given am necessaryty by our country and export them to the government of turkey for money just seems to me to be bizarre. i hope it's not true. >> yeah. frankly, richard, it's the kind of thing you hear from measures naersz back in the 60s to do stuff -- >> this is something we used to see -- >> go ahead, general. >> this is something i saw in foreign governments at time with officers, general officers that would do things in the old eastern european countries and some middle eastern countries, but this would not happen in the united states where we vow and take an oath to defend the constitution of the united states against all enemies, foreign and domestic. >> i mean, again, the timing of this, you know, he's about to become the national security adviser. it's not as if he's some guy on the outside. i mean, he's as powerful as you can get in the new administration or would have been. >> it's absolutely did you mean

founding that he would stand for a meeting. if this is true, and we have to await further evidence to corroborate this, to make the assumptions, but the question is if it were true, you know, we are in a whole different world here in dealing with this man and he is totally vulnerable. the question i would ask is why president trump continues to support general flynn, why he did at such an early stage, even the allegations that after he lied to the fbi -- >> all right. >> and talk about amnesty in the form of presidential pardons. now, in watergate the offer of clem eni secretly made to hunt and other burglars by president nixon was one of the overt acts in further answer of a conspiracy to obstruct justice.

>> interesting. >> here it's right out there, blaring in bright lights. >> richard good to have you on, general hurt ling as well. up next, a remarkable 360 follow-up. back on the streets of boston to see how two heroin addicts are doing. he first brought us their stories two weeks ago. their family and friends had no idea they were even alive. because of our report they do know. we'll show you what's happened since. when a critical patient is far from the hospital, the hospital must come to the patient. stay with me, mr. parker. the at&t network is helping first responders connect with medical teams in near real time... stay with me, mr. parker. ...saving time when it matters most. stay with me, mrs. parker. that's the power of and.

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tonight a "360" follow in the fight against the opioid crisis in america. two weeks ago gary tuchman had a remarkable and heartbreaking story of two young people, billy and megan, addicted to heroin, living on the streets of boston. we thought their story was important. it speaks volumes about the epidemic. you quickly realize it's not just the addicts who are impacted, though. it's their friends and family and those who love them dearly. you'll see that for yourself. after the first report we discovered their families didn't know where they were or even if they were alive. we sent gary back on the streets to see how they are doing and what he found was stunning. we do want to warn you, some of of what you're going to see may be tough to watch. here is gary's report. >> last time we saw billy donovan, he was trying to find a vein for his needle. >> i'm a junky. i've been shooting heroin for 16

years. i'm homeless. i live on the sidewalk and this is my life. >> we met megan digiacomo in the same spot. >> i lost the love of my life. >> are you afraid you're going to die? >> i know i'm going to die from this. >> are you afraid you're going to do from this? >> not really afraid. honestly, sometimes it just seems easier. >> i'm never giving up on megan. she won't die. she can't. >> this is julie chandler, megan's mother. until she saw our story, she didn't know where her daughter was. a daughter who she said was always a happy-go-lucky little girl. she didn't even know for sure if megan was alive. remarkably, the same goes for billy. until his mother saw our story, she didn't know for sure where

her son was. the little boy she said who was always kind and friendly. and she, too, feared the worst. >> if my son were to die, i just don't know how i would go on. >> both megan and billy have gone through treatment many times, but they have always relapsed. >> megan? >> two weeks after we first met, i went back to find megan. >> it is nice to see you again. how are you? >> i'm good. >> and i found her dad too. paul, megan's father saw or story and located his daughter and is now living on the streets with her, refusing to leave until she gets help. he brought her dog along too. >> i was sleeping her and i woke up to my dog licking my face and i looked and my dad's like, all right. we're all moved in. and i'm like what are you doing? he said i'm not leaving until you get help and go to the hospital. >> my kids are everything to me. >> but is she breaking your

heart? >> of course she is. >> and for me, i feel okay with myself sleeping on the streets but i check on him a hundred times a night. >> that is irony. you are checking on him. >> i take care of other people before i take care of myself. >> she wants to help others before she helps her street. >> as paul tries to get his daughter to leave the streets and seek treatment, billy's mother walked out of her house with some of her son's personal belongings for a special delivery. billy has decided to get treatment. some of his friends who saw our original story found billy and convinced him to go to this detox center in fall river, massachusetts. christina is making the delivery to her son at the facility and hopes that this time treatment for billy works. she talked to him on the phone for the first time in many months the night before. >> what did you say to billy when he called? >> i told him that i loved him. and he said i know. and he said, i love you too.

>> how did that make you feel? >> like i was dancing on top of the moon. >> meanwhile megan remained on the street. among the dozens of other heroin addicts in this neighborhood. she loves her father and wants him not to worry anymore, but -- >> can you go in for treatment? >> i want to. >> so why don't you go? am i being too simplistic? >> one moment i want it and the next i'm like i'll go later. i'm a procastinator. >> we say good-bye and she and her father and her dog prepared to spend another night outdoors. sleeping on plastic bags in the mud. >> gary joins me now. this is so incredible. i know you shot this story earlier in the week. do you have any update on megan and billy? how they're doing? >> megan's father paul has been out in the streets with her for one week, including as we speak

right now. and tonight is supposed to be the coldest night of the week. the windchill is supposed to be 10 degrees in boston tonight. now megan still hasn't committed to going for treatment. the back story is this, people who are addicted to heroin often when they stop using it, even for a short time, they get violently ill. sometimes it is easier and pitiful but it is easier to keep using the drug. paul hopes it gets very cold and she realizes tomorrow she needs treatment. the dog you saw in the video, that particularly dog has been taken by a family friend who has brought the dog to his house to keep the dog warm. regarding billy, anderson, billy is still in the treatment center. and his mom said it is great news because he's been in many times and often leaves and so far the treatment is going good. i want to make sure, and i hope that our viewers realize this, all of these parents love these children. they are not children but they always will be. the parents children, they want to quit desperately. and the fact is this can happen in any family. >> that is the love of the parents to go through this time and time again. it is just so awful. gary, incredible report. thank you.

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breaking news top it is hours. republican senate katd denying allegations of a relationship with a 14-year-old girl when he was 32. former gop presidential candidates calling on moore to bow out of the race. he called accusers leigh corfman completely false but his recollection of his dating history with teenage girls, that is racing some eyebrows. listen. >> would it be unusual for you as a 32-year-old guy to have