i'm miking smerconish in philadelphia. we welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. presidents trump and putin together again. and trump again saying he believes putin's claim that russia didn't meddle in the election. really? and in alabama, he says the encounter never happened. she offers a significant amount of detail. senatorial candidate roy moore denies making sexual overtures to a 14-year-old back when he was 32. i'll ask mark geragos, how to parse the conflicting narratives. video cameras recorded the shooting that killed 26 members of a texas church. but should the video everen

released? plus, this week, we did get to see the damage to the brain of nfl player aaron hernandez who committed suicide while serving a murder sentence. bob costas made headlines around the country for what he said about the future of football. and he's here. but first, president trump is again declaring that he believes vladimir putin's insistence that the russians did not meddle in the u.s. election. here's what he told reporters on air force one today, quote, he said he didn't meddle. he said he didn't meddle. i asked him again. you can only ask so many times, every time he sees me, he says i didn't do that. i believe that, i really believe when he tells me that, he means it. well, if in fact the president is accepting putin's word, here is who he is not believing. he's not believing his ohm ambassador to russia jon huntsman who said there's no

question russia medel. he's not believing his secretary of state rex tillerson who said the medding of russia caused serious miss trust. he's not believes james clamor. he's not believing former cia director michael hayden who said russia's meddles was the most covert in history. nor former cia acting direct michael morell who called the meddling the political blist of 9/11. nor president obama for sanctions that the president himself signed but has yet to implement. and now, the latest evidence of our partisan divide. the reaction to allegations about roy moore. the current republican nominee for u.s. senate from alabama. on thursday, "the washington post" published this story in

which moore is accused of sexual abuse of a then 14-year-old in 1979. leigh corfman, alleges that moore, then a 32-year-old assistant d.a. touched her through her bra and underwear and guided her hand to his underwear. if true, this would constitute sexual assault. alabama's legal age of consent and now is 16. according to "the washington post," the victims who ranged from 16 to 18 said that moore pursued them and asked them out on dates. none say that moore forced them into any relationship or sexual contact. moore vehemently denies the allegations. on the left, moore is also criticized of hypocrisy and much worse. on the right, he's being defended and largely being ignored. here's what i find missing,

annest year analysis of what's being recorded. given the passage of time there will be no civil or legal determination. still, allow me a few observations. first, the source, "the washington post," steve bannon tried to dismiss the tore by reminding me it was the post that first broke the "access hollywood" tape but it overlooks that the post got that story right. i'd also note that the story carried a three-person by line representing a commitment of sources and investigation. and "the washington post" reports that none of the four women reached out to the reporters. to the contrary, a post recorder that moore had sought relationships with the women and contacted the women who were reluctant to speak. only after multiple conversations were they convinced otherwise. "the washington post" said that corfman the 3114-year-old was consistent in six different interviews.

today, she's 53. she said she's voted republican in the last three presidential elections including for president donald trump. details of corfman's initial encounter with moore seem corroborated with records of her mother's court appearance the day she says she met moore. and her mother recalls moore meeting her daughter on that day. also, that moore's office was then just down the hall, that's not disputed. and other details lend credibility to her story. like that corfman remembers being driven a half hour to moore's home which had an unpaved driveway. moore himself has written about then living in a rural home 25 miles west of where they met. additionally, two friends of corfman corroborated that she told them at the time she was seeing an older man. and one of them said she identified moore by name. that friend also recalls being told the detail of moore's tight white underwear.

yesterday, in an interview with sean hannity, moore said the claims are completely false and misleading. he said he does not know corfman. he questioned why she waited 40 years and until an election was four weeks away before coming forward. he said he never knew, never met corfman. it never happened. that's what he said. no jury will ever hear these claims. so, how is the public to decide what happened? famed criminals defense attorney mark geragos is here to offer his legal expertise and his street smarts. mar mark, how are we to make sense of this? he's offered a blanket denial. she seems to have a sufficient level of detail to bring credibility to her claim. >> she does. but to counteract that from his standpoint, the idea that he's been such a polarizing and kind of a lightning rod figure in alabama politics. i mean, remember, this is somebody who was the chief

justice. then he was basically defrocked as the chief justice. he's been through several campaigns. he's been somebody whose been known to the public. and his point in his interview is, look, why are they waiting until four weeks out of the election after 40 years to bring these kinds of complaints. the counterbalance to that, obviously, is that "the washington post" reporters were out there. and this is probably front and center one of the biggest elections around in the next -- clearly within the next four weeks. and clearly towards the end of the year. the idea that somehow the defense is that it is "the washington post" or amazon be s bezos' "washington post," i think that is probably something that people who are inclined to believe him will like because it gives a bias, if you will. that would never come in in a courtroom. ande ande and evidentiary wise that would

never come in. the story is consistent, that yes, she was there that day. yes, her mother remembers his house week 25 minutes away. the driveway being unpaved. and all of those are consistent with the story. but frankly if this were a prosecutor looking at the case, the prosecutor would -- and you didn't have any statute of limitations issues this would be what would be called a prosecutorial reject. they would not file this case. >> what aspect of her story, as represented in "the washington post," jumped off the page, if any, to mark geragos? >> the facts that i thought were probably most telling, most supportive of her story is the reporting that was done, and if it's true, that she was there that day, she was in the courthouse that day. that he would have been -- his office would have been close by. the fact that she then was able to describe in detail some place that she went.

and the time limit roughly that it took to get there. those are the kinds of things that make -- make me say this kind of hangs true. i will say one other fact. and i don't mean this to be facetious, he does look like the kind of guy who would wear tighty-whities, and so that to me, if i'm defending him, i'm going to ask him that question. and ask him if in fact he was somebody who was wearing tight white underwear. because believe it or not, those are the kind of things that a prosecutor would say are an ah moment. >> i want to play two cuts from sean hannity. the first one he offers pretty much a blanket denial. i don't know her from anybody. roll the tape. >> i don't know miss corfman from anybody. i've never had any contact with her. never had talked to her. allegations of sexual misconduct with her are completely false.

i believe they're politically motivated and to stop a successful campaign. and that's what they're doing. i've never known this woman or anything. >> never talked to her, don't know her from anybody. if anyone can put the two of them together it will prove that part of his statement to be false. a little risky from a defense perspective, is it not? >> yes, it is. you don't want to stake out that ground. you don't know what else they could show. i don't know that i would have said it. but remember, he obviously, as a lawyer and say former chief justice in the supreme court, he understands that there's nothing -- there's no harm, so to speak. this isn't a situation where lease within the statute of limitations and he has to worry about those things. so at the end of the day for him, it's a political calculation. it's not a legal calculation. and must me, if he said he knew her, if he conceded any kind of a relationship with her whatsoever, that in his present

milieu he'd be toast. he understands that look, the 17 or 18-year-old, that's okay. there's no problem. that isn't anything untoward. if there was kissing that's something certainly in that day and age that was not going to be anything that was going to be a real problem. but he understands, there is the calculus on his part he could say look, i knew her and i didn't fondle her or anything. he's savvy enough to understand and the only thing he has to say is they're lying and i'm denying. >> hearings the secore's the se. run it. >> you can say unequivocally, you never dated anybody that was in their late teens when you were 32? >> it would have been out of my customary behavior, that's right. >> out of my customary behavior.

how problematic if at all is that for judge moore? >> well, you know, that would be what you would call impeachment. it wouldn't be because the way that sean framed the question was anybody in the late teens. his default would be when asked to explain it is going to be late teens. you were asking me about 17 or 18. that's late teens. 19 is late teens. that's not going to carry the day. at the end of the day, only at the fringes are people going to say, or is he going to be able or anybody able to change their mind, when it comes to this base court of support, none of these things, as long as he keeps denying it, are ever going to present any kind of a problem for him. >> here's what i'm taking away from my conversation with mark geragos, people will continue to read into these murky facts whatever they want to. in my view, the next 72 hours are going to be critical. because whether others might now come forward might be the determination of his career.

your final thought? >> yes. i was just going to say, what happens in these cases and where the danger lies is if there is somebody else who comes forward. that's when you get some kind of momentum. if there's somebody else who comes forward. i'm not talking about another 17 or 18-year-old who went on a date with him and they made out in the backseat of a car. if somebody else comes forward and says yeah i was 13 or 14 and he was wearing tighty-whities and he was guiding my hands here and there and everywhere, then he's toast. he's got problems. and by the way let me pivot to the 17 and 18-year-old, he's going to be just fine with the group that is going to support him in the first place. >> thank you, mark geragos, i really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> what are your thoughts? tweet me @smerconish. or visit my facebook page.

gayle says i think it is a she said he said and it isn't going anywhere. gail, politically speaking i think you're right until there are developments as pointed out with mark. one more. i think grabbing by the p doesn't matter they don't care as long as they beat the dem. sam, what i said in my monologue, people don't want to engage in critical thinking. they don't want to parse the report and listen. it's just they suit up in their partisan armour without with regard to the facts. that's a shame. up ahead, the shooting of 23 churchgoers captured on video but should that video ever see the light of day? and then as we've all seen the brain pictures of the late aaron hernandez, what's the future of the nfl?

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but there are some tragedies that never hope to see on film even if it exists like the terror attack. that's tcircumstance with the recent shooting in a baptist church in which 26 died including a young pregnant mother. many families want the video locked up forever an even destroyed. law has the impeding investigations and ability to get a fair trial. others like filmmaker michael moore argue that keeping such videos under wraps allows politics and the public to avoid confronting the horror of mass shootings. is there an answer? joining me is tony leal, a former chief leading the investigation into the sutherland springs attack. chief, this guy took himself out in the end, thank goodness, there there be no trial. so why not release the video?

>> you know, the duty of the police officers and investigators conducting this investigation is to answer all of the questions and to be able to tell the story in a way when they're through if someone asks a question that they can answer it. when you release video before that investigation is completed, then you can no longer hold the integrity of what people are telling you, what they may have seen in the video. what they really know. you know, these things turn out, we're already seeing this in the las vegas investigation, there was a lot of live video there. there was a lot of people with their phones there. there was a lot of people posting video. and we're already having conspiracy theories or asking why details change from one day to another. you can't investigate the scene.

you can't do it all at one time. so, you have to go through the evidence, tie it with the video. tie it with the ballistics. with the witness testimony. and what you see there, smell there, hear there. and put the case together so that those questions can be answered, and conspiracy theories don't start. and they're able to answer reasonable questions that are presented to them. >> okay. that makes sense. but how about when the investigation is over? >> well, you know, when the investigation is over is not a police matter. what the investigation is over, whether that video is released is a social matter. it is up to -- not for the police to make that decision. and i don't even think it should be for the government to make that decision. i think that is the type of decision we need to make as a society. i can tell you that i have seen these tapes. not these particular tapes.

but tapes of individuals in the last minutes of their life. i have seen that occur in real life. and no one that doesn't need to see that will be better off after seeing it. their lives will not be better. it is a -- a gruesome thing. and, you know, death is a very personal thing. so, i think what people should ask themselves. i'm not for not releasing the tape after the investigation is complete, or for releasing the tape after the investigation is complete. i think what people need to ask themselves is if this was me, if this was my baby, if this was my father, my mother, my sister, my brother, my wife, my husband, would i want strangers to see that intimate moment when something like that happens to everybody. it's one thing we all have in common.

we will all die. and do we want that broadcast. >> yeah, i worry as well about giving the next assassin some motivation. because now he knows that even though he may check out, the video will live on in infamy. so, i think you're right. thank you, chief. i appreciate very much your being here. >> yes, sir, thank you. >> let's see what you're all saying on my smer twitter and facebook feeds. by the way, we're got twice as many characters on twitter right now. my producer t.c. who is the first line of defense on twitter is being overworked today. julia, this is from facebook, in my opinion show the video to lawmakers but keep it -- wow, this is interesting julia, but keep it safe from public eyes. could influence copycats or could induce and trigger trauma. you know, i like your compromise, that maybe in a closed session of congress, that video is available for whoever

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severe case of chronic traumatic inself-opathy ever discovered in a person his age according to researchers at boston university. the disease analyzed in the 27-year-old's brain is quote, one of the most significant contributions to our work, unquote said the head of bctu's center. meanwhile, my next guest made headlines when he was quoted on the future of football. bob costas who hosted "football night in america" for more than a decade was part of the sports symposium of journalists at the university of maryland. his answer reported was this, the issue that is most substantially, the existential issue itself is the nature of football itself, the reality is it destroys brains. this week he was honored by the concussion legacy foundation at

its annual gala for his quote, leadership keeping the cte and concussion in the spot slight. he's been warning about this since 2007 as this montage was shown at the gala evidences. >> more football issues, concussions. >> it's the hundreds if not thousands of subconcusive hits. those that cumulatively take a great toll than concussions. >> it may become the roman circus, people watch it, but they don't let their children play it. >> bob, the point about the montage is you've been speaking about this issue for a long, long time. you had a viral moment this week. provide the context. >> well, it was a symposium at the university of maryland involving other sports journalists, christine brennan, michael wilbon and tony

kornheiser. tom shaud of "usa today" did an excellent job of providing context. not only that, they provided a link to the entire thing. the entire two-hour thing. all you had to do is click on it and you could see all of the surrounding material. you could see the nuance that was part of the conversation, not just me but the other three commentators. what happens inevitably, no matter how credible the sources it gets picked up and with each thor racing, the ninth, the tenth or 11th, the headline is more inflammatory, a context was launched'it seemed like a broadside was launched towards

the nfl in fact all i was doing is acknowledging that the nfl has a problem. what's the biggest issue in sports and some of the panelists were talking about what was going on at present. but my answer is the most enduring problem is the one that affects the most popular sport in america which is the nfl. and it's not going to go away in one year, six months or whatever. because it's about the very nature of the game. and that is, that no matter how exciting the game is. and i've said this with you before, i grew up a football fan. no matter how exciting it is. no matter how dramatic it is, no matter how much we value the generational connections, no matter how interesting it may be, the nature of the sport is that not all, or not most, but a substantial, an alarming number of those who participate, especially if they participate from youth football on are going to suffer significant brain damage along the way. and the more the research comes

out, the worse that looks for the nfl. in context, that's what i said. >> it doesn't sound like you were misquoted. >> no. >> but, rather, people didn't appreciate the totality of the remark. and you remind me, i spoke several times this week in one particular gathering, a number of people pulled out their phones and started to record what i was saying. and my point to bob costas is there's no such thing as an intimate setting anymore, right? >> yeah, it used to be, and this is not a matter of being more or less candid. i stand by anything i say publicly. but it used to be understood. you didn't have to explain this. you had a conversation among a half dozen people at dinner, even if the content is the same, you might express yourself differently. you might express yourself differently in front of 18 people in a class. as opposed to 400 people at a symposium. or as opposed to speaking to you

now. or as opposed to speaking at halftime of an nfl game. it isn't that i would say anything different, but depending upon how much time you have, you might craft it differently. you might choose different words but i stand by what i said. what i said in totality because i wasn't directing it to your audience or "sunday night football" audience, i was directing to 400 young journalists at the university of maryland what i said in totality is different from what people said but i give "usa today" full credit what they wrote provided context and better yet they provided the link to the whole thing. so if someone were interested enough in what they said, they had to click on and spend a couple hours watching it. but go ahead. >> to someone who would say bob costas, you're only finding your voice now -- the tape, i only showed a snippet of it because

the tape was long. the tape says for quite some time, you've been willing to speak out on this issue. >> you know what happens, and it's not unique to me or to you. it happens all the time now. rather than deal with the merits of the argument, the easiest thing to do is to try to discredit the person who said something you don't want to hear. and try and ascribe to them some sort of unworthy motivation. and so, i did hear, oh, now that costas is no longer hosting "sunday night football," now he says these things. well that's 180 degrees from the truth. i've been saying these things for the better part of a decade. and often on nbc. in front of the biggest audience, not just in all of sports, but in all of television. "sunday night football." and i think network television, because they're in partnerships with the leagues can be a little

skittish about addressing some of these issues but nbc, over time, has allowed me to address significant issues, whether at the olympics or whether with football. or even this year, i was no longer on the program, but when the issue came up about players kneeling during the national anthem, i talked with dan patrick and tony dungy that nbc sports did a significant job of covering that story. sports on tv is not "meet the press." it's not "nightline." but you do have to address the elephant in the room which are more important issues. and it's the responsible thing to do to address those issues. and generally speaking, nbc at least occasionally has provided me an opportunity to do that. and i've never been shy about doing it even when i was hosting nfl football. >> right. which is why the concussion legacy foundation honored you this week. one final question, then i hope

you'll stick around for a tweet or two. so nbc was accommodating to bob costas. that's good to hear. how about the nfl? did you ever get any blowback from your outspokenness on this issue from the league? >> no, i never have. i like roger goodell personally. obviously, he's on the receiving end of some criticism these days. it comes with the territory. i'm hopeful that this year, nbc has the super bowl. as it turns out i'm hosting the super bowl this year because mike tirico who has succeeded me in that role who has succeeded me as the host of the olympics he's got to be in korea which starts only four days after the super bowl so he can't do both. i'm hoping with an audience that large that roger goodell will sit for an interview that will not be a sophomoric interview but fair and comprehensive. i'd rather put the questions that the public is interested in to commissioner goodell.

i hope that happens. >> me, too. i want to watch it. and i want you back here talking about it. hey, bob, they expanded twitter to 280 characters. >> oh, wow, that should give us plenty of context. >> let's see what's come in. put it up there quickly for mr. costas. if this brain damage is proven to come from nfl football, could nfl be held liable for these players' crimes or suicides? i don't know if mr. costas wants a piece of that, but i welcome you to it if you do. >> i'm not a lawyer and i don't play one on tv, but my thought is unlikely. it's obvious that the nfl has now acknowledged finally that there is a danger of brain damage. of cte, connected with the game. and i wouldn't at all be surprised. i haven't seen the fine print that exists now. but i wouldn't be at all surprised that if in future agreements with the players association there isn't a specific stipulation of willing

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saying patients who were treated with cannabis are more likely to experience a significant reduction in pain simpymptoms, joining me the professor of psychiatry and neuroscience at mt. sinai's school of medicine. she wrote this in "fortune" under the headline there's a better way to fight the opioid crisis. why aren't we focusing on it. dr. herd, could pot be a solution to our opioid epidemic? >> yes, and no, it's not pot that's the solution it's medical c cannoids. it's the blur in wanting to have medical marijuana, when you say medical marijuana, it's a lot of

people perhaps governor christie and other people think it's the marijuana on the streets. it's not. these are being tested in research and studies that have, for example, no intoxicating effects. it has over 100. and it's not tnc, that produces the high, the reward. it's others that are being studied in regard to potential and beneficial effects for pain and even treating the opioid addiction itself and other symptoms. >> he says we lack sufficient outcome data. is he right in that regard? >> absolutely. i completely agree. and that's the whole issue. for an epidemic, we need more information. we need everybody at the table. we need much more dedication and resources to coming up with alternative strategies. and for that, you need data.

there's currently not enough data. but there are some anecdotal evidence out there. and anecdotal is not proof. so, we need causal studies to be done. so, yes, there's not enough information to completely give 100%, you know, results to say this is exactly what the specific that can treat the specific pain or symptom. but that's exactly why we need much more research and the support by the president and the governor to conduct those kinds of studies. >> dr. hurd, governor christie said something about about cannabis users on television. i want you to react. >> no partisan organization, just came out with a report that said you're 2 1/2 more times to be an opioid addict if you smoke

marijuana. >> is he blowing the line between recreational and medicinal use? >> again, yes, absolutely. even our studies even if you even take animals and give them tfc, they show greater sensitivity to opioids. but if you give them cvd, the one used for treating kids with epilepsy, for example, they show a reduction in the opioid int e intake. and that's the cbd brought to trial that indeed even in human users it does seem to increase what is associated with addiction. it is a blurring of the line. we should stop perhaps talking about marijuana and say medical

saying that we're clear that the marijuana on the street has a 20% concentration and people are making it for recreational use that go up to 80% tfc, that is not what is being used in the clinic. that's the thing that i think both the person on the street needs to know and the government needs to know. we are talking about developing canabanoids as intervention. you have to know the dosing, you have to know the formations that may be best for treating that particular symptom, and without the research we would not move further. and there are a lot of regulations that unfortunately prevent research from being done. >> dr. yasmin. hurd, we appreciate your

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