interference in the 2016 reaction. >> i call it the russian hoax. one of the great hoaxes. >> thanks for spending your sunday morning with us. you can catch me here every sunday and weekdays on "the lead" at 4:00 p.m. eastern. fareed zakaria gps starts right now. this is gps, global public square fp welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria coming to you live from new york. tod today, xi, putin, abe. president trump's big meetings on the world stage. has this big asia trip changed america's position in the world? >> we are not going to let the united states be taken advantage of anymore. >> for better or worse.

rich arrest richard haas and elyse eu will join me to discussion. also top officials arrested. saudi officials say the corruption has cost the country at least 100 build. wh billion? what is going on? we will explore. and a melee outside the turkish ambassador's residence in washington last spring. it resulted in u.s. indictments of 15 turkish security officials bringing relations between the two nations to a new low. i will talk with turkey's prime minister who met with vice president pence this week. but first, here is my take. the news out of saudi arabia has been startling, a country famous for its stability to the point of stagnation is watching a 32-year-old crown prince arrest his relatives, freeze their bank

accounts and dismiss them from key posts. but on closer examination, it shouldn't be that surprising. he's now applying to saudi arabia what has become the new standard operating procedure for strong men around the world. the formula was honed by vladimir putin, first focus on and amplify foreign threats so as to rally the country and give it extraordinary powers. putin did this with the chechen war and danger of terrorism. then move against rivals influence within the society often using anti-rupgs whicorru which meant the oligarchs. and then talk more about the need to end corruption, reform the economy and provide benefits for ordinary people. putin was able to succeed on that last front largely because of the quad runling of oil prices. and finally, control the media through formal and informal means. russia has gone from having a

thriving free media in 2000 to a level of state control that is effectively similar to the soviet union. naturally not every element of this formula applies elsewhere. perhaps prince mohammad will move to be a genera e a genuine. but the approach is similar to that around the world. in his 2012 book the dak at a time tore's learning curve,xpla the new breed of men have learned a set of tricks to maintain control that are more more clever than in the past. rather than forcibly arrest members of the human rights group, today's most effective decemb decemberpots employ health in-tech sporin inspect inspectors. laws are used to target the groups the government deems a threat. but he did end the book expressing optimism that in many

countries people were he resi resisting and outplan you'ring the dictators. yes what has happened is depressing. december of the decemb it is the democrats moving up the learning curve. consider turkey a country that seemed on a firm path to democracy. it's ruler erdogan has defanged the military and launched various kinds of tax and regulatory actions against opponents in the media and declared one potential opposition group to be terrorists. the rulers in the philippines and ma appear to be copying that same playbook. of course this is not the picture of democracy every wrrks but these tendencies can can be spotted in far flung areas. in countries like india and japan which remain vibrant

democracies, there are elements of the new system creeping in, a nationalism, soef nichl, populi populism. in america donald trump for his part has threatened cnn, nbc and other rivals with various forms of government action. he has attacked judges. he has disregarded long established norms. so perhaps even in america somebody seems to be moving up this learning curve. for more, go to cnn.com/fareed and read my column. let's get started. >> president trump is in minnilmanila, the last stop on his dozen day five top tour of asia. the most controversial aspect of his trip so far, of course his chats with president putin. after them, trump told reporters

that he really believed putin when he told him he didn't meddle in the u.s. elections. later trump said he believes the u.s. intelligence community which of course says russia did interfere. so lots to talk about with today's panel. elyse hue covered many stops of the president's trip. and ian bremer was in da nang. and richard haass is the president of the council on foreign relations and author of a world in disarray. richard, how do you explain the putin thing? it feels as though donald trump just can't stop himself from staying that he agrees more with putin than almost any western leader. >> well, the president gets points for consistency. and that might be about it. for several years now he has been sanquine, sympathetic, supportive russia and mr. putin. and even though he tried to correct it at his most recent stop by saying it's important to

work with russia on on some of these issues, he's basically wrong. you cannot, you should not give russia a pass anytime it violates the basic norms of international order, whether interfering in our elections, whether taking crimea, whether using force indiscriminately in syria. so what he did is simply wrong in foreign policy and also basic morality. >> elyse, other than on this, the president had actually stayed pretty much on script and was striking to listen to donald trump reading from teleprompters, doing the hand shakes. mostly no tweets or certainly no controversial ones. >> and at the top level of course there were concerns that there might be a trade war accidently launched by tweets or going off script in china. and that was avoided. and also there were no major breaches of protocol, you know. trump did have some trouble reading prompter in

south korea, but really no breeches breaches of protocol either. so until he careened off script on the putin question, the asia trip was largely a success. >> the part that struck me was trump seemed quite differential almost toward china and the way it was seemed to be almost being read by people was trump was creeding a more dominant role. he was asserting a narrow american interest, xi asserting the larger global interests. and this comes at a time where china is both more ambitious and appears quite successful. >> in my entire lifetime, there have been two speeches that really changed the global order. one is when gorbachev dissolved the soviet union and the second is xi jinping when he said china is ready to become a super power. that has not been played much in the united states, but in asia,

that is what they are talking about. and the presence of the american president was interesting in terms of is he going to blow north korea up or make missteps. but he was signing deals. he said nice things to the chinese, he appreciated the big party, but he wasn't doing anything. meanwhile the asians were going ahead and signing trade deals without the united states. chinese are writing big checks and developing architecture without the united states. so if anything, that is the story here. >> and it seemed with china trump has sort of reversed himself. seemed like during the campaign he was tough on china. and now much more sympathetic. >> again, giving china a pass. but i think when historians write about this trip, it won't be about the putin comments or the distractions back here in the united states. it's going to be that the united states unilaterally essentially is abdicated. we have taken ourselves out of the future of asia to a large agree in terms of geo economics by not being part of things

economic and not being part of the trade agreement and the idea that you can be a part things strategically in the military sense but not the economic sense didn't watch. alliances are full-fledged degree relationships. so i think the history won't be about china steppinging forward, this will be yet again the united states stepping back. and the president continues to have i think a distorted view of the pluses and minuses of any trade agreement. and we will pay an economic price for that and we'll also pay a real strategic price. >> xi the big winner from what you could tell? >> if he spent anytime in beijing, sham hinghai, it's onet one road everywhere. there is a clear vision coming out of china where there isn't a counter weight from america. so i think that is the big concern. and of course that gives xi the win. >> there is also another piece of it that strikes me, the duterte visit. trump will talk to the president

of the philippines. and of course it shouldn't neuter the relationship, but the american president standing up for human rights and criticizing huchl rig human rights abuse has been a good thing, a kind of marker. and trump clearly has no intention of doing that. >> the u.s. relationship with the philippines was deteriorating under obama. trump has made clear that this is all transactional for him. he is still playing a pretty status quo role in terms of the security side as opposed to the economic trade side as richard says where the americans really have abdicated. and southeast asia is an important balancing role. i think we'll see it in vietnam and we'll see it in the n philippines. when we come back, president trump called north korea's leader short and fat. will that help resolve the crisis in north korea? we'll give you our expert opinion when we come back.

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despite a busy schedule, donald trump still found time to tweet why would kim jong-un insult me by calling him old when i would never call him short and fat. he then confirmed that a friendship between the two was possible. i want to bring back today's panel. richard, the reference was of course to the fact that i think it was two weeks ago north koreans called trump a dotard. did you know he what that word meant? >> no, i had never heard of it. we looked it up in the dictionary.

the oval office had been nursing a grudge for several weeks now. and this is not classic diplomacy. you asked the question which i assume was rhetorical about whether this would help solve the north korea problem. not immediately apparent that it will. >> fair to say though that the big news polling city-wise out of this trip that trump has taken is that he has softened his position on asia which i always predicted he would by which i mean the threats, the fire and fury. there was no military option. it was pretty clear. and he seemed to have dialed it back in various ways. >> he certainly dialed it back he rhetorically when he was in japan and in seoul. and now there is more and more talk of a possible other way to get to the goenegotiating table possibly by way of a 60 day freeze on any provocations. i don't know when that clock would actually start. and i assume that clock hasn't

started yet. but there haunt besn't been provocation and it sounds like secretary of state rex tillerson and his top north korean official are talking about or floating this notion of a freeze. >> and i'm glad he decided to wait on his tweet until after he left japan so kim jong-un might not be tempted to do a test. but beyond that, there is another big thing that changed here which is that he said that the russians could really be helpful, the chinese have been helpful. the russians could be helpful but haven't because you know what? fake news and the democrats and mulgler are working so hard to stop trump from being able to work with putin. this is a sort of behind -- maybe a back hand way of trump quieting down the north korea issue by blaming other people and i think that is an easy way for him to stop talking about fire and fury. he will blame the domestics.

and that works for him frankly. >> richard, is there is a solution here, a kind of a freeze for freeze, and does it have to be -- joshua is proposing this idea of blo broadening the issue to make it more about nonproliferation, maybe in asia, maybe i don't understand. is there something there or what is the way to make everybody willing to kind of stand down from what -- everyone is in a box now. how do you get out of that box and start talking? >> i think denuclearization remains a long term goal. and one can emergency interim arrangements, maybe a freeze on testing or a freeze on production of nuclear warheads. and what the united states has to decide is what we would be prepared to offer for a freeze on testing. do we have a formal end to the korean war which has never had just that. are we prepared to change what we do in the way of sanctions.

maybe articulate certain incentives. so the united states has to flush out a diplomatic position and be willing to take as a first step something less than the solution of the problem. >> elyse, it's worth pointing out that in south korea, the funny thing is even trump's provocations, kim jong-un's provocations, the stock market keeps going up. there is a tendency to believe that there isn't going to be a war and they very much do not want american military action. >> absolutely. i get the question a lot, what is it like in seoul because especially when the rhetoric ramps up, people get nervous here in the united states and other parts of the world. but really in seoul life goes on as normal and i'm always saying everything is fine, this is the kick hit of the summer. >> because they have lived with it for decades. >> that's right. >> and this relates since so much of what would make the north korean crisis more manageable is diplomacy.

council on foreign relations, in your capacity as an analyst and public intellectual, you called for rex tillerson to resign. why? >> i thought the president put the secretary of state in an untenable position when he was meeting with his chinese counterpart and he disparaged his diplomatic efforts. more recently, he's united states mined the secretary of state at every turn in the middle east. he's trying to work out a deal and the white house is undermining that. but i thinks secretary of state has made a bad situation worse. this focus on reducine ining th of the state department staff, look at the diplomatic challenges this administration faces including in south korea. why don't we have an boast there? so any savings we get arer relevance.boast there? so any savings we get arer relevance. this secretary of state seems focused on reducing the dim l

diplomatic capacity of his own department and i don't think that is wise. >> and when i was in singapore a week ago, what they were telling he me is that every international and regional meeting we go to, the chinese now outnumber the americans. they are there and they are better briefed and they do with specific ideas, policy proposals and money. the americans are absent. the state department is weak. >> they are getting better no question. let's not forget about the fact that there are lot frts countries around the world that aren't happy about the idea of the chinese being dominant. certainly japan's relationship with the united states is better now under trump than it was before and a lot of the europeans. but they are by themselves. the americans were leading, and that is gone. and you don't feel it in the united states because we have canada, mexico. but when you travel to asia, you really feel the absence of the united states. you feel the absence of the state department. look, this is the first time i think in history that a sitting head of the council of foreign

relations called for the sitting secretary of state. and this is such a unique circumstance in the world right now. >> all right. we'll have to have you guys back to see if rex tillerson takes richard haas' advice. next on gps, princes and tomorrow officials under arrest at the rits carlson. what is really going on in saudi arabia in a moment. if you have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis,... ...isn't it time to let the real you shine through? maybe it's time for otezla (apremilast). otezla is not an injection or a cream. it's a pill that treats plaque psoriasis differently. with otezla, 75% clearer skin is achievable after just 4 months,... ...with reduced redness,... ...thickness, and scaliness of plaques. and the otezla prescribing information has... ...no requirement for routine lab monitoring. don't use if you're allergic to otezla. otezla may cause severe diarrhea, nausea, or vomiting. tell your doctor if these occur. otezla is associated with an increased... ...risk of depression. tell your doctor if you have...

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the events in saudi arabia over the last week or so have been astonishing. in a world without president trump, this story would have dominated the headlines. last saturday the haeir apparen

ordered the arrest of dozens. the complaint was corruption which the kingdom says cost $100 billion. this is an odd charge since most would say the kingdom runs on kick backs oig. among those arrested was al-waleed, a past guest on this program. and then there is this, saudi arabia accuses lebanon ever declaring war on its kingdom. so what is going on?oever declaring war on its kingdom. so what is going on?fever declaring war on its kingdom. so what is going on?\ever declaring war on its kingdom. so what is going on?\ever declaring war on its kingdom. so what is going on?ver declaring war on its kingdom. so what is going on?er declaring war on its kingdom. so what is going on?r declaring war on its kingdom. so what is going on?r declaring war on its kingdom. so what is going on? declaring war on its kingdom. so what is going on?of\declarin. so what is going on? we have a saudi national joining us. it seemsdeclaring war on its ki. so what is going on? we have a saudi national joining us. it seemsdeclaring war on its ki. so what is going on? we have a saudi national joining us. it seems the first part, the anti-corruption stuff, is a console indicatiidation of powe crown prince and it appears like the one that xi jinping did, the anti-corruption, like but

continue with the ol garks, this means that saudi arabia has one powerful ruler. >> i think there is a misconception about that. because the consolidation of power took place in june. once he was appointed crown prince, game over. there were no centers of power that could dispute that. his succession would be automatic after the passing of the present king. so it is not so much a consolidation of power as two things, first of all, the issue of corruption. as you mentioned before, it's something that has plagued the kingdom for many years. >> let's me put this way, he just bought a $500 billion yacht position. i presume that didn't come out of his salary as crown prince. there is no distinction between the wealth of the country and the wealth of the royal family, so how can you talk about corruption? >> because that story came out of the "new york times" article about a year ago which is factually incorrect. now, does he have a yacht? he has a yauts.

the question is not- >>$400 billion. >> but the question is that the equivalent of ten kings, 50 deputy kings and 500 -- >> so consolidation. >> consolidation of entitlement. if you want to call them quleet a elite and privileged, it is costing them 10% to 30% of its budget. so it's corruption going forward. so the circle of entitlement has to be made much smaller and the way to do that is through shock treatment before for example the crown prince has been talking for two years that this has to end. but elites give up privileges with a lot of difficulty. >> why al al-waleed? >> the rumor is that he was

high highly leveraged. in 2008, people say and again this is a rumor that his firm was nearly bankrupt. >> but i feel like it also -- >> the point is that his firm was bankrupt and that he with corruption of the then minister of finance got the government to bail him out in an unfair manner. there are about 200 people that have been arrested. the point is to send the message if those high proceed fifile pee no longer immune, nobody will be immune. and it has changed behavior immediately. today if you are a government official looking to sign a contract, you will look over your shoulder. and it's that shock therapy that is so essential to changing the behavior of the elite. so in a way it's a rev loougs r

from above. >> so one place you haven't seen the shock therapy is on the religious establishment. crown prince talked about wanting a more moderate islam. and i've said to people why don't you get the religious establishment to be mowres if moderate. they will say they have their own power. and it's clear that the crown prince has all the power and the religious establishment were salaried employees of the state. why didn't he use shock therapy and tell them get with the program and -- >> he did exactly that over a month ago. >> one speech. >> no, he arrested 40 to 70 clerics about six weeks ago exactly this was done to the religious establishment. including one of the clerics who has 14 million followers on twitter. so exactly this policy. >> do you expect to see a moderation of the --

>> absolutely. to moderate the culture and understandinging of islam, this is a long term process. it's much quicker to stop corruption and much quicker to stop entitleentitlement. but the process plea seedrecede shock therapy. the problem was before he arrested the clerics, and they were issuing the ooblability fo women to drive as a wedge issue, the things that he has been doing has been taken wiby analysts -- and if you would allow me, the book that you talked about, that taukded about t talked about putin's playbook, he con solidated his power all right, he needs to do to reeducate elites.

>> and now i will ask you about lebanon. very briefly, just explain what is going on. it seems as though this is part of a saudi/iranian cold war. >> no, the question is that lebanon has become a state captured by hezbollah. and hezbollah has morphed in to a pure terrorist organization. so lebanon is controlled by a nonstate actor that has become iran's subcontractor to use in the arab world. soollah is killing hundreds of thousands. so the point is to expose what lebanon has turned into which is a hezbollah-controlled state with a veneer of respect blts. >> i asked you tough yeses. you answered very well. next on gps, howe t republicans

have betrayed the legacy of ron a ronald reagan.

now for our what in the world segment. republicans worship he at the altar of ronald reagan because he plea sidresided over a massi reform. even donald trumpe at the altar of ronald reagan because he presided over a massive tax reform. even donald trump at the altar of ronald reagan because he presided over a massive tax reform. even donald trumpat the altar of ronald reagan because he presided over a massive tax reform. even donald trump is a fan of ray began's a r reagan's. >> we need a tax code that is civil, fair and easy to understand. >> trump is right, american taxpayers and businesses spend 8.9 mibillion hours a year doin taxes costing the economy $409 billion according to the tax foundation. but current republican tax plan looks little like reagan's. under reagan, a bipartisan congress greatly simplified the tax code cutting out scores of credits, deductions and

loopholes. a sign of their success? special interests were furious about losing tax breaks. take for example this brash new york real estate developer. >> this tax act was an absolute catastrophe for the country, for the real estate industry. and i really hope that something can be done. >> the current republican plan is being pushed as a radical inch pli if i indication of the taeks co tax code, but it actually adds to its complexity. take one glaring example among many, it should have been easy to i will can the provision that favors private hedge funds. but the house plan merely makes the loophole a little less gaping. a heanother instance, there is whole new scheme that will affect 95 pfrs america's businesses. wealthy americans who own such businesses like president trump will get a big tax break except if you own the business and work

for it, you get a smaller tax break. except to further complicate things, you can make the case for special treatment and get a more generous tax break. again the accountants and lawyers might be salivating. the simplest proof of the complexity is this. the 1986 bill got rid of so many loopholes and deductions, that despite a massive cut in rates, it was actually designed not to increase the deficit at all. the current plan will explode the deficit by at least $1.5 trillion and probably more because of all the fuzzy math involved in predicting growth. republicans had been saying that after the reforms, most americans would be able to file their taxes on a postcard. they have backed away from that claim because now it would have to be a postcard with pages and pages of footnotes. the reagan plan also made tax rates for most kinds of income from earnings to capital gains to dividends roughly similar if not the same.

basic free market philosophy says the government should not pick winners and losers. the current republican tax plan is filled with choices for winners and losers. big businesses are best, smault ones are also good except if that he are law firms and why offices. most nonprofits are totally exempt, but some are not. republicans keep saying they have a once in a generation opportunity for tax reform. they are right. and they are squandering it. next on gps, turkey's prime minister came to the u.s. this week to work on warming relations between the two nations. he met with vice president pens oig and then he talked to me. that interview when we come back. listen up, heart disease. you too, unnecessary er visits. and hey, unmanaged depression, don't get too comfortable. we're talking to you, cost inefficiencies, and data without insights. and fragmented care, stop getting in the way of patient recovery and pay attention. every single one of you is on our list.

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july 15th, 2016. the world watched that night an organized effort try to take down the government of president recep tayyip erdogan. and almost 200,000 people have faced some sort of judicial action including almost 50,000 arrest arrested, included are army generals, judges, prosecutor, journalists, police officers and more. 16 months after the coup attempt, turkey is in a declared state of emergency. officials beingalaskbeing alask

of organizing the coup attempt.f organizing the coup attempt. last month turkey arrested a turkish employee. the ambassador traveled to america to talk to mike pence. and he talked to me afterwards. >> mr. prime minister, a pleasure to have you on the show. >> thank you. >> why are turkish-american relations -- why is there so much tension between the two countries? we're meant will to be allies, right? >> yes. turkey and the united states are allies and partners, but now a days unfortunately our relation is not at the level which we desire. >> but why is it? people look at turkey and in

washington they say you are now buying weapon from the russians. you are as i say threatening to say to the united states you cannot use the air base, you are opposed to u.s. efforts to fight isis because they involve using some kurdish forces. there are area where is turkey is turning away from the west on its foreign policy. >> well, we have a couple of reason.turning away from the we its foreign policy. >> well, we have a couple of reason. there is no single reason why the situation is like this. it comes through last one and a half years. if you go back 15 of july, 2016, you had the awful time in turkey. our parliament building bombed

and our citizens 250 were killed and more than 2,000 injured. so the man who is responsible on this coup attempt, fethullah gulen, is living in the united states. so we are very sure that he is behind of this coup attempt. so we require united states to hand over this terrorist to the turkish government and we provided enormous amount of proof, but after one and a half years, we don't have any signal

that he is going to be delivered. >> did you hope that the trump administration would extradite gulen because michael flynn was working with the turkish government for the turkish government and argued publicly for that? he wrote an och p-ed asking fore extradition of gulen. >> we expected that this would happen. >> had michael flynn provided you with any assurance that it would happen? >> no, no, no. no one has. we are not dealing with michael flynn. we are dealing with the government of united states. >> but he was national security adviser. >> and after that, he left. i mean, we are mainly department with minister of justice both countries, minister of justice of turkey and united states.

so they were in communications. they are still in communication to provide some progress on that matter. >> so my sources in washington tell me that the evidence that the turkish government has provided is not particularly strong, is not conclusive and that they argue if it was strong, they would have made it public. that in fact the evidence is very sparse. you hear this, too? >> we hear this kind of argument, but what i can tell you, mr. iffareed, july 15 we h a coup attempt. and similar happened to 9/11 in united states. when the president bush announced that u.s. was under

attack, that turkey was the first country to offer to help and sending our men to afghanistan. we didn't ask who is behind all this. the united states said this is al qaeda behind of this attack and al qaeda is responsible. we did not ask the united states is there any evidence that al qaeda did so. >> let me ask you wiyou about w happening inside turkey. when i said first visit turkey when prime minister erdogan was prime minister, he was doing impressive reforms. the european union would praise the turkish government every few months for the amount of legal reforms, economic reforms. he talked about people in turkey talked about how tur we wanted

to be a member of the european union. >> right. >> and there were strengthening democracy and liberalism. in the last four or five years since maybe 2013 when there were protests in istanbul, by every objective independent group that measures these things, turkish democracy has weakened, civil liberties have weakened, freedom of the press has weakened, you have cases against independent media. people talk about the way in which the judiciary has been politicized. what has happened? in your view, why did this turn take place? >> this is a perception rather than reality. believe me. because of this gulen organization, they are lobbying

a lot. >> but freedom house is an independent nongovernmental agency that ranks countries and turkey's ranking on civil liberties, on protections of recent, on protection of opposition has been falling for the last few years. the prime minister erdogan has made position a super president. even the little symbols of it, he has built palace that is four times the size of versailles. it isn't didn't look like a deepening of democracy. >> i invite you to ankara to see with your own eyes the presidential site. when you see that, i will see the reality. >> but i have gone to turkey and seen the reality that there are fewer independentexperts, many the united states and the west. you know this is true. >> this is related with this

gulen organization again. more than 40 years these people, they insert inside the community. inside the army, inside judicial system, inside bureaucracy. and the business community. so they aim to, you know, remove our government and take over the country. and rule the country. >> mr. prime minister, a pleasure to have you on. i don'd paranoid, but d'ya think our recent online sales success seems a little... strange? na. ever since we switched to fedex ground business has been great. they're affordable and fast... maybe "too affordable and fast."

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