Skip to main content

tv   Erin Burnett Out Front  CNN  November 13, 2017 4:00pm-5:00pm PST

4:00 pm
>> this story is clishlt not going away. that's it for me. thanks for watching. erin burnett out front starts right now. a new bombshell report shows numerous messages between donald trump jr.ges between donald trump jr. and wick ski likes. the same wiki leeks says is an agent of vladimir putin. plus, a new roy moore accuser speaks out. does this take the story to a new level? president trump wrapping up his big overseas trip. not one word about the gang rapes and babies being burned that's happening in one crucial country in asia, let's go out front. >> the breaking news, a bombshell report showing private
4:01 pm
messages exchanged between donald trump jr. and wiki leaks during the 2016 presidential campaign. trump jr. was actively solicited by the organization. a long trail of messages from september 2016 until july of this year, revelations showing numerous exchanges on twitter, with wiki leaks offering up damaging information on hillary clinton and her campaign. here's a message, just one of them to trump jr. on october 3rd, 2016. it would be great if you guys could comment on/push this story. the story happened to be a quote from clinton about wanting to drone wiki leaks founder julian assange. he responded, already did that earlier today and candidate trump urged lister ins to check out wick coy leaks. >> wiki leaks is amazing. >> this stuff is unbelievable.
4:02 pm
it pell tells you the inner heart. you got to read it. >> then, wiki leaks again writing in part, strongly suggest your dad tweets this link if he follows us. 15 minutes later, donald trump fired off this tweet, very little pickup by the dishonest media. incredible information provided by wiki leaks. so dishonest, rigged system. the link that they wanted tweeted out. donald trump jr. did tweet it out. >> i cannot confirm the alleged direct messages from@donald j. trump jr. to wiki leaks. the atlantic's conversation is edited. let's be clear why these messages are so relevant in the
4:03 pm
russia investigation. because of this. here's the cia director, trump's own cia director, the guy he picked, okay? mike pompeo, here's what he says about wiki leaks. >>. >> it's time to call out wiki leaks for what it really is. >> that's trump's own cia director saying that wiki leaks is an agent of the russian government. evan perez is out front tonight to begin our coverage. what more can you tell us about these messages? >> there's a lot we don't know including the context, there's a lot more the congressional committees and the special council have been given that probably give more context of how these messages were sent. i think we can make sure that people understand that this
4:04 pm
isn't just one isolated example of donald trump jr. trying to interact with people who allegedly had dirt on hillary clinton. we know about the trump -- the trump tower meeting last summer of 2016 in which he was actively engaging with someone who was posing as a russian, who wanted to give dirt on hillary clinton. i think when you put it all in context, again, with not only these messages. these direct messages from wiki leaks along with that. and other items that the special council and congressional committees have. i think what you're beginning to see is why there's so much concern about possible collusion and coordination between the trump campaign. and the russians, this is why there was so much alarm in the intelligence community in the fbi about what was happening, and trying to understand what was happening, and why we have this investigation that is still ongoing, erin.
4:05 pm
out front now, white house council for richard nixon john dooen and former adviser to four presidents including nixon. david gergen, let me start with you. >> does this change anything? ? >> well, my first reaction in reading this story was exactly what pompeo later said. what kind of organization this was that donald trump jr. was dancing with. i think this shows the skeleton of some kind of conspiracy. he's agreeing to play with them. at no point does he rebuff them or want to take part in their activities. it's just the opposite. david, let me start with one here wikileaks telling john jr. they have just released campaign
4:06 pm
e-mails. . they message him to say, this has just come out. and in that, he asks donald trump jr. to tweet the link to searchable clinton stories. there's many stories the press are missing. very little pickup by the dishonest media. incredible information provided by wikileaks. you have donald trump jr. getting this information, and donald trump himself sends that out. could that be a coincidence? >> no. i think we're seeing a pattern that includes conversations with the president. there's word coming in through donald jr., goes up the chain to the president. i think the president has known a lot about these conversations for a long time, that contradict the whom notion that he's put
4:07 pm
unite there. that there were no contacts, what we don't know is whether in fact john dean says this is a skeleton, and whether in fact what these exchanges are illegal. there's a different between being imprudent and being illegal. on the face of it. i'm not sure i see the lines being crossed but we don't have the whole pattern. we needs the rest of the skeleton. and we're still hanging here. things are adding up to a chain that is very unhealthy, and very suspicious. >> and certainly, this particular chain we're talking about here, does lead to donald trump himself, right? there's his son getting the message and 15 minutes later, stuff he was saying on the campaign trail about wikileaks. in this case it appears to go straight to the top. >> it does. and forgive me, this may be the
4:08 pm
first instance where we have the strongest connection to donald trump himself when it comes to wikileaks. and they're collusion with the russians, now. i'm not saying that donald trump himself was including with the russians, we'll have to see what the investigators say, this is very damning. no doubt about that. you have to wonder if donald trump jr. was with his father at the time he received that message. and donald trump said give it to me, let me tweet that out. >> that's right. two days later, he sendses out a tweet with that link, and in it he says, for those who have the time to read all about the corruption and hypocrisy, all the e-mails are right here, and give their suggested link. the fact that he tweeted out the
4:09 pm
specific link that wikileaks asked him to tweet out, that was a link to anti-clinton stories. does that look like a crime? >> well, it's hard to go that far at this point, there's certainly an indication of odd behave year. clusive behavior is a good broad word, whether it's a conspiracy, an agreement to commit an illegal act by two or more people, and one of them doing so, is a far distance at this point. we just have bread crumbs, that are leading us in that direction now. >> now, david, later that same month, the atlantic says, wiki leaks messaged trump jr., we have an unusual idea, leekus one or more of your father's tax returns, they then laid out a reason for this request. one of the reasons that wiki leaks said this is a good idea, if we publish them, it will
4:10 pm
improve the perception of our impartiality. >> it's important to note the atlantic notes trump jr. did not respond to that, you have wiki leaks -- >> these messages have a chatty quality as if they know each other pretty well. but there's also just a -- you know, they're so clearly in bed together, so clear that the trump jr. welcomes these contact s because it will have a payoff. whether that amounts to a conspiracy, i'm not sure. there's no campaign in history, of which i'm aware. that's ever been so in bed with a foreign enemy, and it's just like what? what are they thinking about? >> so mark. to that effect, donald trump jr.'s lawyer in a statement to the atlantic says, we can say
4:11 pm
with confidence we have no concerns about these documents, and any questions raised about them have been easily answered in the appropriate forum, do you think they truly are unworried? >> if they're not then they're foolish at this point, they have to be worried, all we have to do is go back to what evan perez says, remember donald trump jr. was forced into acknowledging that he held a meeting with a russian operative or somebody connected with the kremlin who was offering to give information about hillary clinton, donald trump jr. now is connected to wiki leaks right now, in conversing with them, what else has donald trump jr. done? that is the big question. this is just one of two steps, there are seven more steps down the road, if i were there, i'd be concerned. >> what did he do? and as we pointed out, what did his father know and condone in all of it. thank you both so much. next breaking news, a do
4:12 pm
democrat demands senate republicans issue a subpoena immediately. ivanka trump selling the republican tax plan tonight. >> more money back in the pockets of the american workers. >> but will it? >> the brutal stories of the people that escaped the cleansing in myanmar.
4:13 pm
4:14 pm
we're on a mission to show drip coffee drinkers, it's time to wake up to keurig. wakey! wakey! rise and shine! oh my gosh! how are you? well watch this. i pop that in there. press brew. that's it. so rich. i love it. that's why you should be a keurig man! full-bodied. are you sure you're describing the coffee and not me? full-bodied. but on the inside, i feel like chronic, widespread pain. fibromyalgia may be invisible to others, but my pain is real. fibromyalgia is thought to be caused by overactive nerves. lyrica is believed to calm these nerves. i'm glad my doctor prescribed lyrica. for some, lyrica delivers effective relief for moderate to even severe fibromyalgia pain. and improves function.
4:15 pm
lyrica may cause serious allergic reactions, suicidal thoughts or actions. tell your doctor right away if you have these, new or worse depression, unusual changes in mood or behavior, swelling, trouble breathing, rash, hives, blisters, muscle pain with fever, tired feeling, or blurry vision. common side effects: dizziness, sleepiness, weight gain, swelling of hands, legs and feet. don't drink alcohol while taking lyrica. don't drive or use machinery until you know how lyrica affects you. those who've had a drug or alcohol problem may be more likely to misuse lyrica. with less pain, i can do more with my family. talk to your doctor today. see if lyrica can help. what comes to mind? your next getaway? connecting with family and friends? a big night out? or maybe your everyday shopping. whatever it is, aarp member advantages can help save you time and money along the way. so when you get there, you can enjoy it all the more. for less. surround yourself with savings
4:16 pm
at aarp advantages dot com. breaking news tonight, calls to subpoena donald trump jr. this after reports he corresponded multiple times with wikileaks multiple times. wikileaks is an agent of russia. blumenthal said the committee must issue a subpoena immediately about. out front now mark warner. i appreciate your time tonight. have you seen these messages between donald trump jr. and wikileaks? and what do you make of them? >> i've seen the story. i can't comment on what documents the committee has or doesn't have. if the story is true it shows
4:17 pm
one more example of russians or individuals affiliated with the russians reaching out to try to make contacts with the senior folks in the trump organization to try to share information that would tilt the election one way or the other. we've seen this pattern, whether it was mr. trump jr. or the famous meeting that involves mr. trump jr. and mr. papadopoulos. there continues to be more and more of this evidence. >> so wikileaks messaged trump jr. saying they unveiled a trove of information. there's many great stories the press are missing. so that was in a message between wiki weeks and trump jr. then 15 minutes later, trump himself tweets, very little pickup bring the dishonest media incredible information provided by wikileaks. they reference the press missing
4:18 pm
stories and they're putting out the podesta e-mails. 15 minutes later the candidate for president tweets that out. what does that say to you. >> well, there's an awful lot of dots that seem to be getting closer to being connected. one of the reasons i want to make sure the committee has a chance to talk to mr. trump jr. and that's still on our to do list. and and if this story proves to be true, this story we need to cover. >> trump sent out the link. they said, next time you're tweeting out, why don't you tweet this link to this database, and he actually did that. is that collusion? >> that's what special prosecutor mueller in terms of whether criminal behavior was
4:19 pm
there, he'll have to make those dirnl nations, what we again see, our goal was counter intelligence. and what it continues to disturb me was obvious efforts from russians and russian agents of which i believe julian assange and wikileaks was involved with the russians. >> well, you're in line with the current cia director to believe that. >> mr. trump's appointee agrees with that strongly. we continue to see this pattern of them reaching out to trump officials, and we see communications back from trump officials. i think there's more to come, but that's what this investigation and what the special prosecutors criminal investigations are all about. >> i want to read you another exchange between wikileaks and don jr. it would be great if you guys could comment on or push the story. they attached a quote from hillary clinton wanting to drone julian assange. an hour and a half later, trump
4:20 pm
jr. responds. already does that today, it's amazing what she can get away with. >> this exchange shows this was a two-way exchange. two-way street. >> what you're seeing here is, this repeated effort by russians and/or their agents to reach out to officials from the trump campaign and try to put out dirt and damaging material on hillary clinton. >> so the president -- year a friend of vladimir putin, he just met with him. he believed him when he said putin didn't hack the u.s. election. he's since back pedaled on that he did imply that he is not on board with imposing new sanctions on russia which congress is requiring him 20 do by january. here's what he said today. >> people don't realize, russia's been very heavily
4:21 pm
sanctioned. they were sanctioned at a very high level. and that took place very recently. it's now time to get back to healing a world that is shattered and broken. >> certainly would sound like he's not leaning in the direction of doing that. do you think his actions now, things he's saying now about russia are in you anyway related to relationships awith russia during the campaign? >> erin, that's the question. this president needses to understand that we have rules of law. he can't ash trailly choose what to enforce and what not to enforce it raises these questions, why with all of these world leaders is vladimir putin the only one he's not said an
4:22 pm
ill word about. another woman stepping forward, accusing roy morph sexuseroy morph sexual assault. >> mr. moore attacked me when i was a child. i did nothing to deserve this sexual attack. republicans promising that massive tax cut for corporations is going to give $4,000 to you. is it true? i'm not buying this. you gotta come a little harder dawg. you gotta figure it out. eh, i don't know. shaky on the walk, carriage was off. randy jackson judging a dog show. i don't know dawg. surprising. what's not surprising? how much money lisa saved by switching to geico. wow! performance of the night. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more.
4:23 pm
4:24 pm
anyone ever have occasional constipation,diarrhea, gas or bloating? she does. she does. help defend against those digestive issues. take phillips' colon health probiotic caps daily with three types of good bacteria. 400 likes? wow! try phillips' colon health.
4:25 pm
or a little internet machine? it makes you wonder: shouldn't we get our phones and internet from the same company? that's why xfinity mobile comes with your internet. you get up to 5 lines of talk and text at no extra cost. so all you pay for is data. see how much you can save. choose by the gig or unlimited. xfinity mobile. a new kind of network designed to save you money. call, visit, or go to xfinitymobile.com.
4:26 pm
another explosive allegation against roy moore. a woman says he sexually assaulted her when she was 16 years old, he was 30. beverly nelson speaking out today for the first time publicly. she was a waitress, he was the assistant district attorney at the time. he would flirt with her, compliment her on her looks. she didn't respond. one night she accepted a ride home from moore. when she got in the car, he immediately drove behind the restaurant parking in a dark desserted area. >> i was alarmed and immediately asked him what he was doing. instead of answering my question, mr. moore reached over and began groping me. him putting his hands on my breasts. i tried to open my car door to leave. but he reached over and he
4:27 pm
locked it so i could not get unite. i tried fighting him off, while yelling at him to stop. but instead of stopping, he became squeezing my neck, attemptsing to force my head on to his crotch. i continued to struggle. at some point he gave up. and he then looked at me and he told me -- he said, you're just a child, and he said, i am the district attorney. and if you tell anyone about this, no one will ever believe you. >> that emotional story, coming as calls go within the republican party for moore to go. jason carroll is out front. had is the fifth woman to come forward accusing morph some sort
4:28 pm
of sexual misconduct. in this case, assault. has she ever spoken to anyone about these allegations in the past? >> she has. telling her sister, husband about it. moore is calling the accusations false and showing no signs he's going to withdraw. >> roy moore says the next chapter in his fight against accusations of sexual misconduct will be a legal one. we are gathering evidence of money being paid to people who would come forward, which is part of why we're filing suit. moore is accused of sexually assaulting lee when she was a 14-year-old girl in 1979. the washington post alleges he pursued relations with three other teenaged girls nearly 40 years ago. a family member telling me
4:29 pm
tonight, no money or any other inducement has been paid or promised, and none is expected. moore says his faith is under attack and called the attacks an assault on christian conservatives. at moore church, carolyn owens says she has known moore for years and stands by him. >> god forgives the foolishness of youth, we make bad decisions when we're young. whether or not this is true about judge moore, does not mean that's the man he is. >> shimon said her faith led her to the same conclusion. >> i think it's a witch hunt. >> a witch hunt christians should end with forgiveness. >> can we not forgive him for 24 years ago. i mean, who hasn't done
4:30 pm
something 20 something years ago, we've all been young we've all been rebellious and done something. >> if i'm understanding you correct. it sounds like you believe the allegations, but you're saying he should be forgiven? >> no. i'm trying to figure out, why did you wait 24 years to do it? am i pro judge moore? no. i am a person that believes everybody deserves a second chance. >> outside the first united methodist church, two parishioners say the allegations confirmed their decision. >> i think our faith informs our decision making, and in some ways i think our faith is under attack by those who claim to be followers of god who are not living according to what we're taught. >> a lot of people would say, look, you already support doug jones. >> that's right, i think they would say that. and i do not believe that our faith is under attack, i think
4:31 pm
we're in a country where we are allowed to worship as we please. >> voters weary of the toll the race has taken on their state. >> we just want to be left alone and let us vote. we're going to show the world that alabama is not a bunch of red necks. >> reporter: moore saying tonight he does not know this new accuser. she held up a yearbook in which she says roy moore signed when she was a teenager. to a sweeter, more beautiful girl, i could not say merry christmas, love roy moore. how could she say his signature and statement is in her yearbook. wanted to ask roy moore that, gut he didn't take any questions when he made his statement this evening. >> thank you very much, jason. i'm going to -- we're going to talk about the yearbook in a moment.
4:32 pm
we're going to hear play, what roy moore has said along with his wife. >> question of the christian coalition of alabama. also with me, margaret hoover, who worked in the george w. bush white house. we have another accuser tonight. >> i can tell you without hesitation, this is absolutely false. i never did what she said i did, i don't know the woman, i don't know anything about her, i don't even know where the restaurant is or was. >> i've been married to this man for 32 years, we've been together for 33 all together. he has never one time lifted a finger to me. he's the most gentle kind man i've ever known in my life. he's godley. >> so let's start there. they're very much on the same
4:33 pm
page. her husband is godley, he doesn't know the woman. >> it would be he said she said, if there was one person. instead, there are five accusers, multiple people who have stepped forward to tell stories that actually put into context some of these credible allegations, there's a story from the new yorker tonight about several people who recall that he had been asked to leave and step away from the gadson mall, it's not just one person's word against another person's, there's a context of a series of credible allegations and a context that makes it harder for believing thoughtful rational people to step aside and not take a strong stand here. >> what do you say to that? as margaret points out, the context is being filled in by others as well as in each of
4:34 pm
these individual cases, the only reason they've been reported is because they did tell people over the years what had happened to them. she told her mother, her husband, her sister. do you believe her? >>. >> the thing that's interesting about this whole thing. the day before this came out. we were talking to christian colleges and universities about sexual harassment, sexual abuse on campuses. what can we do as the faith community to address these issues. that being said, on the other hand, there's equal evidence that people need to be not falsely accused this is what makes this so difficult, it's been 40 years. some of these allegations -- if it's proven that judge moore never saw this person and never had anything to do with this
4:35 pm
woman -- >> they confirmed. her mother was there for a custody hearing. the washington post confirmed the information. all of this work was done. unless i go back in a time capsule, you're not going to believe it? >> no, i'm not saying that. we have to be careful how we accuse people. what is the ulterior motive here. there's political forces behind this to gin up all this stuff. this is somewhere we can come together discussing sexual abuse. and we're not. >> we can come together as a nation and stand up for women who have credible allegations. at this point in this story, if you don't believe these women, it's because you don't want to, and if you don't want to, that's probably for political reasons as well. let's not be coy about the
4:36 pm
politics here and what role politics is it playing in this debate. >> i disagree with that. >> can we take the yearbook here? no one's disputing this is his signature. to a sweeter or more beautiful girl, i could not say merry christmas. roy moore, old hick horry house. he signed the book with the name of a restaurant. what more do you want? >> i think that's again -- what i'm saying is, that's extremely problematic as far as what he did, and the context, was that poor judgment? probably. was it poor judgment at the time by someone 30 years old? probably. was it sinister, criminal? that's different. here's something that's problematic for me. i ran in the u.s. senate race during the summer. i know these people very well i
4:37 pm
having into to gain by trying to defend someone erroneously. how did this person leave the restaurant at 16 years old with someone of this age. and no one saw it. >> i want to let margaret get in here. when you're 14, 15, 16 years old. a guy you see every day offers you a ride home, you know him -- to blame her. >> how do we know that happened? >> why would she have walked out and no one would have notices. maybe no one noticed because he's in there every day and he's always talking to her. >> you'recying she rode home with him. >> she didn't say she rode home with him. she said, he attacked her in the parking lot. >> it's hard to imagine how --
4:38 pm
the ends and extremes one can goo to to defend someone. by the way, this is a man who didn't think barack obama was born in the united states. he believes the bible has authority over the u.s. constitution. >> you're trying to defend a man against a serious and credible allegation from multiple women against a backdrop of character witnesses slows us you don't want to believe it for political reasons. >> that's not true. >> well, then why do you want to support roy moore, a plan who has proven to not have the character to represent your state in the united states senate? >> margaret, look, okay, here's the thing.
4:39 pm
at the end of the day, the voters are going to decide on this thing. i ran during the race, i saw roy moore for years, that's why i ran this race, i didn't agree with all the policies that he maybe esspoused. that being said, there's a system of fundamental fairness we have to honor in the united states. >> is it fair to believe women? >> of course it is. >> then how unfair is it to diagnose believe women who have stories and you can see their pain. to think they're just making it up -- >> that's an unfair characteristic of me -- >> that's what you're staying. >> no, listen to me. i've flown to bat for people who came out and said they were assaulted on college campuses. i've gone to colleges to talk to administrators and make sure they got accommodations. and the justice prevailed in
4:40 pm
those cases. >> i applaud you for standing up for women. i don't understand why you wouldn't stand up. >> why not this one, randy? >> i want to see the rest of the facts. i told you. >> what facts do you want. in these situations, you can't go back in time. >> right, when people say with all of this preponderance of evidence that it isn't enough, you're basically using it as an excuse. >> no, that's not true. >> what are you doing? >> we need to know. >> you can say that until you're blue in the face. >> no, you can't opinion. >> he said he never saw this person. no, no -- if you can confirm, i think that's what a lot of people are saying, say lee corkman actually saw this person, you can prove that somehow? >> that was done, i made that point earlier. >> who saw them? >> her mother. >> her mother, okay, of course,
4:41 pm
she can say, they can say that, who else was there, who else saw this. who saw judge moore with this person. >> the only person who would have cared enough to notice is probably her mother. and her mother did. >> that's not necessarily true, and plus, with the latest allegation, how do you know that that person actually left. you're going to tell me that a 16-year-old left a restaurant with nobody there, that saw her leave with judge moore. those are hard to believe. and the whole thing that bothers people in the state of alabama. why is this coming out now, 30 days before election. how are they being found, who's doing it? he's are all things that need to come out. all i'm saying is, people need fundamental fairness. they will attack you they've attacked me, i've had people shoot up my backyard and do all kinds of crazy things, because
4:42 pm
of things i stood for on christian principles. we've had people send money and say it came from erroneous sources. i could go on and on about those things. >> all right. >> we have to leave it here, i think we all could agree it is inherently christian, muslim or jewish to stand up for the victims of sexual assault. >> absolutely, i will agree with you 100%. >> we can all agree with that. next, ivanka trump hitting the road to push the trump tax plan. stories of horrific atrogsities, babies burned. women zbang raped by soldiers, what is president trump doing about it tonight? believe it or not you actually like what you do. even love it. and today, you can do things you never could before. you're working in millions of places at once with iot sensors.
4:43 pm
analyzing social data on the cloud to create new designs. and using blockchain to help prevent fraud. so get back to it and do the best work of your life. ( ♪ ) ♪ one is the only number ♪ that you'll ever need ♪ staying ahead isn't about waiting for a chance. ♪ because one is... it's about the one bold choice you make that moves you forward. ♪ ...that you ever need
4:44 pm
the one and only cadillac escalade. come in for our season's best offers and drive out with the perfect 2017 cadillac escalade for you. get this low mileage lease from around $899 per month. ( ♪ ) from around a heart transplant...nth. that's a whole different ballgame. i was in shock. i am very proud of the development of drugs that can prevent the rejection and prevent the recurrence of the original disease. i never felt i was going to die. we know so much about transplantation.
4:45 pm
and we're living longer. you cannot help but be inspired by the opportunities that a transplant would offer. my donor's mom says "you were meant to carry his story".
4:46 pm
ivanka trump and steve mnuchin hitting the road to sell the gop tax plan. one of the biggest selling points for the plan. >> we believe that cutting the rate of taxes on corporations, medium and small businesses is growing to accomplish the goal
4:47 pm
of putting more money back in the pockets of american workers. >> is that really true? >> out front now, steven moore and robert riesch, his new documentary, saving capitalism debuts on netflix. the council of economic advisers put out last month, most people believe to be very aggressive in terms of their estimates. they say that slashing that corporate tax rate, which is the entire centerpiece of this entire tax plan from 35 to 20% is going to give $4,000 of additional income to the average american family. is that realistic? >> i think it is. i think -- and by the way, this was one of the major centerpieces of the plan, since the early days when i was involved in helping to put this together. we wanted to cut the corporate
4:48 pm
and business -- to be clear to your viewers we're talking not just about the corporations, but also the 26 1/2 million small businesses in this country. and the second part was providing some middle class relief. the economic component that provides enough juice for the economy is getting these business tax rates found. and i think it will raise wages in a couple ways, i think it will bring a lot of businesses back to the united states. and the second thing, i think it will do is induce a lot of these companies that are sitting on all this cash to get out there and start investing it by reducing the tax you impose on the corporations. and a lot of men and women i talk to say that's exactly what they'll do, when this tax cut comes, not taking that money and going on a trip to ta heatty, they'll expand their business, pay their workers more, provide them with more health insurance
4:49 pm
and expand their operations. >> i don't understand how that happens on a basic level. i understand if you have a tight labor market, people have the power to ask for more wages. i do not understand -- maybe i'm being too simplistic. i don't understand why a tax cut in and of itself ever be given to higher wages to their employees. >> you are skeptical that corporations have hearts? i am too. corporations are flush with cash right now, they are not giving it to their employees. wages are stagnant for most people. what they are doing with their extra money, and there's no doubt they would do this if they had even more extra money. they are buying back their shares of stock to pump up the
4:50 pm
share bryces and giving more money to their executives. that's what corporations do when they get more money. that's what they did in 2004 when they had the lower tax rate for the money coming back from abroad. the one time tax holiday, they all gave it to -- they bought more shares of stock and gave it to their executives. they don't give it to their workers. it's not a matter of generosity, of having big hearts, they just don't give it to their workers. . >> i think you're missing the point. it is true that what happened during this recovery, and you cover this every day. the companies became very efficient, very well run, they cut their cost, became more profitable, and you are right, they didn't reinvest the money into the economy the way they normally would. why didn't they? i think there are a couple factors.
4:51 pm
one is that the company was afraid. we have tax increases, we had obamacare, huge increases in regulation. our point, erin, take those shackles off of business and reward them by cutting the tax -- this tax cut is for the future investment. with you cut tax on something, erin, you get more of it. >> so let me -- >> let me just say. you were talking about the obama administration. go back to the george w. bush administration, the 2,000 tax cut for repatriated earnings that resulted in almost no new investment. that all went to buying back their shares. why do you think it's going to be any different. that's the bush administration, obama administration and it was the same thing in the clinton administration. >> because george -- >> we don't have any records of tax cut creating better jobs and better pay for anybody. >> that's what the counsel of economic adviser toyed wstudy w
4:52 pm
about. they looked at countries that cut their tax rates and they found those were the countries where it tend to be rising. the whole idea behind this, bob, is to bring the businesses and capital back. if it goes back to paying dividends and buying back stocks, that increase it is value of stocks. everybody is investing in the stock market. >> that's not true. >> it's 1% as 40% of the value. top 10% that's 80% of the value. this is all going -- >> i'm going to interrupt to leave it there. we'll have you back later this week to continue this conversation. we have a cnn exclusive report that you need to see. hundreds of thousands of people facing genocide. we'll take you to the front lines.
4:53 pm
4:54 pm
4:55 pm
president trump tonight wrapping up his trip to asia but failing to address the trosties happening right now in myanmar. myanmar security forces are massacre, it's a muslim majority group. they're facing murders, mass rapes, they are being burned alive. more than thousands of the muslims have fled to bang la
4:56 pm
desh. we'll warn you some of the footage you're about to see is graphic. >> reporter: it's just a few hundred yards to safety, but it doesn't take along to see something has gone wrong. a woman's lirch body is rushed through the noman's land between bangladesh and myanmar. the families wait to see what has happened. on this day it is a husband and wife. the crowd says they were shot dead as they tried to leave myanmar. more than 600,000 roe hen ya muslims have flooded the boards to escape what is called ethic cleansing. each it seems has a tail more ho reyna than the next. my sons and daughters were shot on thursday, i can't find them
4:57 pm
he says. there's no one left. he claims local officials told residence it was safe to remain in the village, but the days later, the myanmar military poured in and carried out a blood bath. please someone kill me, he cries. this is god's will. others who escaped to la toe lee tell a similar story. the soldiers rounded them up on the river bank and separated the men from the women. we couldn't escape, many children were shot and they fell on their faces, she recalls. those lying on the ground were picked up, chopped and later thrown into the river. cell phone footage given to cnn by the two returned appears to show the bodies of three
4:58 pm
children wash up on the shore. as witnesses try to god for mercy. cnn cannot confirm the authenticity of the video or verify the many accounts. access to this state is heavily restricted. we wanted to find out more about what happened in too la toe lee. so we traveled to a sprawling refugee camp along the border and met 30-year-old moe at the scene. she says soldier raped her before setting the house a light with her inside. but the burns that cover her body only hint at the horror she survived. describe to me what happened to you? what did you see with your own eyes exactly. translate translate. >> translator: my boy was behind
4:59 pm
me they/ slashed him with a wooden stick. then they took my other son and threw him into the fire. she managed to escape with her 7-year-old daughter. all three of her sons were killed. oh god she cries, why didn't you take me. >> reporter: but for the survivors there is no justice in this world. erin cnn has reached out to the governments of myanmar for some kind of statement on what happened, unsurprisingly they tell a very different story. they say the villagers from there are terrorist, they launched in terror attacks against the border military on eight different occasions. they deny alleges of using excessive force against roggin ya villagers. we know you -- rex tillerson,
5:00 pm
sect secretary of state will be meeting with her today and traveling to myanmar tomorrow. the question is will the u.s. take a tougher tone with the leader to discuss request a need to be done. erin. >> thanks so much for that incredible report. anderson's next. good evening, we begin tonight with breaking news on russia during the campaign involving involving the president's son. three full weeks mike pence denied the campaign was in quote, ka hoots with quicky leeks. don junior was involved with wikileaks. what is so fascinating is how the communications in the form of twitter, direct messages, meshed with certain points on the campaign time line that we