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clinton. october 2nd, for example, trump friend roger stone tweets the damaging material is coming from wikileaks. the next day, october 3rd, trump junior asks them what's coming, they don't respond. on the 5th they say there's a payload coming from wikileaks. on the 7th, u.s. intelligence community says it believes russia is behind the hacks and wikileaks begins releasing the podesta e-mails. then on the 12th of october, wikileaks messages trump junior asking him to link to one of their items. the president mentions wikileaks 15 minutes later, and two days later, trump junior tweets out the link. on that same day, 14th, mike pence denies collusion with wikileaks. it is to say, the least, fascinating and not just to us. congressional investigators are certainly interested. our justice correspondent, pamela brown joins us. what are you learning, pam? >> donald trump jr. released a string of is these during the presidential campaign. this follows a report about
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these exchanges. though most of the communications were one sided, don junior did interact on a couple of occasions. the first message came in late september 2016 where wikileaks told him, quote, a the r.a.c. is a recycled pro-iraq war pac. we have guessed the password, it is putintrump. see about for who was behind it. any comments? don responded, off the record, i don't know who that is, but i'll ask around. thanks. and according to the "atlantic," he did ask around to members of the campaign, including trump's son-in-law jared kushner, telling them wikileaks had reached out. we don't know in what context he was saying that, but kushner forwarded that e-mail onto hope hicks. in a separate exchange, done junior reached out october 23rd asking wikileaks about an impending release writing what's behind the wednesday leak i keep reading about?
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this was in the wake of a roger stone tweet that hinted at it at the time. wikileaks didn't respond, but just four days later it released john podesta's e-mails on the same day as you'll recall the u.s. intelligence community condemned russia for using wikileaks to release the stolen e-mails. even after that, wikileaks reached out again suggesting don junior tweet out a link to his followers to search the leaklea leaked podesta e-mails. and they tweeted out this, for those who had the time to read about the hypocrisy, all the wikileaks e-mails are right here. and he included the link that wikileaks had given him. >> pam, explain what the campaign was saying about wikileaks during this time period. >> so wikileaks was communicating with don junior.
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and behind the scenes, don junior tweeted out the link. mike pence said on fox news the campaign was not in cahoots with wikileaks. take a listen. >> final question about wikileaks, and that is some suggested on the left that all this bad stuff about hillary, nothing bad about trump, that your campaign is in cahoots with wikileaks. >> nothing could be further from the truth. i think all of us have -- you know, have concerns about wikileaks over the years, and it's just the reality of america. life today and of life in the wider world. but it doesn't change the fact that you see the national media chasing after unsubstantiated allegations -- allegation that donald trump has denied -- >> so just in the last hour, the vice president's spokesperson released a statement that reads, the vice president was never aware of anyone associated with the campaign being in contact with wikileaks. he first learned of this news in a published report earlier
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tonight. >> donald trump jr. released these exchanges tonight after the atlantic story broke. any more reaction from him or his legal team? >> his attorney did release a statement before he actually released these exchanges. his attorney said we can say with confidence we have no concerns about these documents and any questions raised about them have been easily answered in the appropriate forum. we should know that wikileaks continued to reach out until july of this year, and don junior didn't respond. as you'll recall, don junior went behind closed doors with the judiciary committee. at that time they did not have these exchanges. but someone asked him behind closed doors, have you ever had communications with wikileaks, and the source familiar says he applied, yes, i have, and then talked about these messages. after that, the direct messages were handed over to congress. >> pamela brown, thank you very much. joining us is michael hayden, a cnn national security analyst now. this reporting about donald trump jr., what does it tell
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you, and does it surprise you that donald trump jr. was willing to direct message with somebody he didn't know on the other side of a direct message from wikileaks, whether it was julian assange or somebody else, and think that he's having off-the-record discussions? for a guy who's an international businessman, doesn't that just seem moronic? >> it takes your breath away, anderson. when i read the story earlier things -- i was shaking my head. i have actually defaulted to the explanation of inexperience and naïveté when it comes to some of the campaign's behavior with regard to russia and wikileaks. there's probably still a fair amount of that, but i have to tell you, these continued discoveries that we're picking up here, and particularly this one, i have to begin to ask the question, were there any limits? was there any sense of appropriateness? was there any sense of propriety?
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were there any lines beyond which the campaign would not go? i'm not talking about it as a legal matter. i've got no expertise on that. i'm asking a question of ethics and american political culture. and there doesn't seem to have been any limits here. >> the fact that according to the atlantic on october 12th, wikileaks reaches out to donald trump jr. thanking him for his father saying something nice about them. i think he said i love wikileaks at rally, and suggesting his dad tweet out a link to wikileaks with some of the podesta e-mails so people can easily read them. donald trump jr. doesn't respond, but 15 minutes later from the time the message is evidence is, donald trump sr. tweets. and then two days later trump junior tweets out the very link the wikileaks asked him to tweet out. is it possible it's a coincidence that 15 minutes after wikileaks tweets his son
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asking his father to do something that his father does it? >> to answer your question specifically, is it possible? sure. i suppose that's possible. do i believe that to be the case? i don't think so. there are two things that come out. one from the wikileaks side. it's very important, anderson. they are quite clear they are in this business to support the donald trump campaign. there's no other purpose revealed in the wikileaks side of the exchange of communications. and then there are several examples in your time line, the one you just brought up being but one of them -- several examples in the time line where the campaign clearly synchronized its actions with the actions of wikileaks. that should raise a whole host of concerns, because wikileaks even then was known to be hostile to the united states and has already been pointed out in your show tonight. mike pompeo has declared it to be a hostile non-state intelligence service.
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>> this is the third person associated with the trump team that reportedly reached out to wikileaks. roger stone said he was communicating with julian assange as was the head of the cambridge analytica, the data firm contracted by the trump campaign. does it add to up collusion for you? >> maybe collusion with a small "c" in the political cultural sense. anderson, let's be very candid. the campaign was talking to wikileaks about stolen goods, stolen american privacy. keep the russians off stage just for the moment. wikileaks had e-mails for which they were not the intended recipient. someone stole them and now we're going to violate american privacy and the campaign was, frankly, excited about that, the continuous quote during the campaign, i love wikileaks. marco rubio pointed out during the campaign that's not a good
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idea. we're going to regret saying that someday, and i think he's right. >> if the october 12th communication where wikileaks said your dad should tweet this thing out and 15 minutes later donald trump sr. tweets out basically saying the dishonest media is not paying attention to this stuff that wikileaks has. and if you believe that donald trump jr. contacted his dad or was with his dad and said, oh, wikileaks is pushing this, then the idea that donald trump jr. did not contact his dad after sitting with a russian attorney allegedly from the kremlin informing donald trump jr. that the kremlin is supporting his dad's campaign and has dirt on hillary clinton, the idea that donald trump jr. doesn't tell his father that, seems hard to
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believe if one believes that he did tell his father 15 minutes after wikileaks texted him. >> added evidence to that, the current president, the candidate at that time made a reference during that time period about making the speech within a week that would reveal an awful lot of dirt on hillary clinton, so there's more truly circumstantial evidence that there was synchronization between the campaign and wikileaks. remember, this was a group wikileaks whose leader was likely already under indictment in the united states of america for what he had done previously with american secrets. >> i have to ask you about the president's comments over the weekend about russian meddling, that both were sympathetic to vladimir putin's point of view calling three officials at the time political hacks. you were concerned about president trump had to say that you actually called the cia, your former agency to confirm they stood by their assessment about russia and the 2016 election. >> yeah, anderson, i suspected that somebody from the network would call me and i wanted to have a view.
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and i really wanted to be able to say the agency stood by the intelligence community assessment. so i contacted them early saturday morning and very quickly they responded very clearly the agency and director pompeo stood by the assessment that the russians did it. the president walked that back a little bit the next day, but you know, anderson, at the end of that exchange he said he has faith in the intelligence community as currently kons institute con city tued, constituted, and that statement burned up most of the good will that the front end of the president's statement created when he said i believe american intelligence. >> general hayden, appreciate your time. want to bring in our panel.
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ana, what do you make of these communications? >> it makes you ask the question what does mueller know we still don't know? every single day a shoe seems to drop. going back to your point, it becomes harder to justify that don junior did not tell his father about the meeting with natalia veselnitskaya. donald trump was in that tower the same day the meeting occurred. remember the president said i didn't know anything about that meeting, i wasn't aware of it. the fact that he tweeted 15 minutes after his son got that tweet makes people question whether or not that was accurate. also remember wikileaks came across as an objective news site. we got from these direct messages with don junior that wikileaks specifically said, here's an idea, why doesn't your dad release some of his tax returns through us so we can put it out and look like we're not just pushing antihillary clinton stuff. that we're against both candidates at times.
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>> they contacted donald trump jr. after the meeting breaks saying i'm sorry for what you're going through, why don't you give us your e-mails, we'll put them out, and that will help us, make us look more credible, but donald trump jr. ignores that. but then decides to release the e-mails. >> exactly. what i would really focus on as well is how quickly the vice president's office responded. remember back in june he hired his own personal attorney -- >> this is second time that he said something that's not true? >> within an hour you hear a response from him. he has his own attorney that he hired in june with regards to any matters related to the russia investigation. he's taking this seriously. we're just waiting to hear the president respond as well. >> was this smart for donald trump jr. to be in communications with wikileaks? >> we're talking about speculation. we're saying if he did this, he must have done this potentially. let's wait for the facts to bear out. it's important for mueller to conduct his investigation. >> we know he was in communication, was that smart?
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>> if i was in communication i would have informed people in the campaign, i got this -- >> which he did. he sent out the e-mail and it just continued. >> the communication is going to continue, but it doesn't show that don was proactive in what they sent to him. you say they sent the link and he tweets out the link. that's not a direct -- >> i think he sends it to kellyanne conway and steve bannon. hey wikileaks reaches out to me. >> that's the process you want to use when someone comes forward with information that's suspect. it showed that they have -- >> no one called the fbi. that's their vetting campaign? you have question their judgment >> you have to question the information that came in, but you have to acknowledge the fact don did the right thing, reached out to senior management and said these people are reaching out to me, and senior manager goes from there. >> he continued to communicate with them. >> he was communicating events, news of the day.
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he's not going to ignore the news of the day. that conversation about that link had been in the news for two days already. finally after two days he disclosed something. he's not going to disclose what's in the common thread of the conversation. >> brian, you worked on campaigns, does this make sense to you? >> one damning revelation does not a criminal case make. just like the revelation in june about the june 2016 trump tower meeting also by itself is not going to produce an indictment. but these are all bad facts. the bad facts are piling up. the territory available for trump defenders to make a case is shrinking by the day. this is another clear indication of the trump campaign's willingness to include, he's eager, donald trump jr. is, to engage in this direct message chain with wikileaks. it's influencing the campaign's actions. donald trump jr. is basically taking orders about his twitter activity, not to mention the candidate himself touting wikileaks in the moments after this tweet was received. it widens the circle of people potentially indicated.
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based on the fact that in september, donald trump jr. tells the high command r of the campaign he has an active line to wikileaks. so all those people i suspect they've been brought into the grand jury or given an interview already. if they haven't, they're all implicated now. the circle has widened, the more of these bad facts that come out, they're only incriminating, not exculpatory. in many ways they contradict past statements that the campaign officials have made, which suggests they have a lot to hide. >> jason, does it feel to you like every now and then we learn more and more about e-mails and communications that donald trump jr. had? it makes me wonder when mueller who has access to all the e-mails he sent during the campaign, what else there might be? >> i feel like we're viewing everything that happened in 2016 through a 2017 lens. when we're talking about these dates, there was a lot of back and forth and people weren't sure who was behind the wikileaks. one of the things to keep in mind, you get an outreach from wikileaks, these guys clearly have a lot of tactics and techniques they're using online.
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you don't want to go and piss these guys off. so you wouldn't want to go and blow them off, fine, i'll check and play nice. why would you pick a fight with wikileaks in that moment when you know they're involved with all this stuff. the other thing, too, about going to the fbi, at that point in the campaign, the only thing we had seen with the fbi is they were basically, from the view of the campaign, they seemed like they were in secretary clinton's pocket. when that happened with the fbi and the doj with loretta lynch, that didn't seem like the safest place to go. >> i'm on twitter and when i get direct messages from people i don't know, you don't have to respond. you don't have to respond. you don't have to -- i'm sure some nice people or nasty people have reached out to me. you can just ignore them. if you get an e-mail from wikileaks and you're not a reporter, you're on a campaign, and there's stuff floating out
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there, it's not an -- i know you're saying he was afraid of wikileaks, he didn't have to respond. he could just pretend, sorry, wikileaks, i never got your message. >> and then he can't -- >> he can mute them. >> at one point he said what is this news of a potential leak i'm hearing about. it went beyond -- >> it didn't seem like a relationship he was trying to develop or he was trying to foster. through all of this there's nothing that don junior did illegal here. i'm not seeing anything that was at all illegal and i haven't heard any of the panelists orany of the experts that have come on -- it seems like don junior's getting unfairly beaten up here. >> you want want a guy running an international business to be responding to anonymous people who are direct messaging him and telling them this conversation's off the record? for a guy who's in international business, i know nothing about business, i couldn't run the cooperation he runs, that seems moronic to me. >> that goes to your earlier
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point that i think a lot of people viewed them as some sort of news agency or thought maybe they viewed themselves as a news agency, otherwise that's why he -- >> let me tell you how republicans viewed julian assange, they viewed him as a traitor and a national security threat. >> he's hiding out in the embassy of ecckwau doer. >> this is the part that board bothered me the most. we knew about russia that they're trying to tear america apart, race, everything. and the part where they direct message don junior and say if your dad loses it would be nice if he didn't concede and challenged the media and other types, saying that the game was rigged. what they're trying to do, like russian cutout, i don't know how directly involved russia is, but it really seems like this could have been very bad for america, if trump lost and refused to n
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donald trump jr. wikileaks doesn't keep such records and it clearly doesn't have the full context. however, even those published by the atlantic showed that one, wikileaks loves its pending publications. and ignores those who asks for details. trump jr. was rebuffed just like cambridge analytica in both cases, wikileaks had publically teased the publications. he goes on. number two, wikileaks can be effective at convincing even high-professional people that it is their interest to promote links to its publications. back now with the panel. anna, how do you see this? >> it's surreal. honest to goodness, it's the kind of stuff where you say to yourself, can we be in reality here? you can't make this stuff up. first of all, it's no coincidence it's jump jr. they're going after again, he is the weak eest link. and also the one that the
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russian lawyer contacted to say, hey, i got dirt that we can share with you there's obviously a sense that we're dealing with twiddle dumb. hi, we have something to tell you, the simple ways that they talk, the language, says they thought going after trump junior was an effective fishing mechanism, and it worked. i think the overwhelming amount of circumstantial evidence means you really have to suspend disbelief in order to think that there is no connection going on here. it goes back to the point that this mushroom cloud keeps growing and growing and it's not going away. and at some point bob mueller's going to come out with the facts. >> brian? >> i would say this. less than two weeks ago you had senator feinstein asked does she collusion between the trump campaign and russia, and her answer was no. so we have a lot of conjecture a lot of sloppiness on the campaign, perceived sloppiness, at least. when we have one of the top intelligence persons of the democratic party saying she says
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sees no collusion, i tend to believe her. it's a lot of noise, a lot of mistakes were made, but nothing to the point where it's criminal and nothing to the point where a democratic senator sees no collusion. that's powerful and that gets lost in this conversation. >> david said it's going to be harder and harder for wikileaks to adjust itself as a credible news organization. you see from what they laid out in the dms that they were, in fact, rooting for donald trump and giving him advice as to what to do so they would look more objective and dish on both sides. throughout all of this wikileaks said they had not taken or colluded or been involved with russia at all and pushing forward any e-mails it's harder and harder to justify them and take them seriously given what we've seen. >> during the campaign, e-mails forwarded to hope hicks, is that -- she was with candidate trump all the time, wasn't she? when lewandowski was running the
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campaign, the few times i happened to go there, it would be the candidate, lewandowski and hicks. so if you're sending an e-mail to hope hicks, is that in order to get an e-mail to candidate trump at the time? >> frequently hope would be traveling with the president, but i don't know on that particular day where people were or if that was to give her a heads up in case there's a media inquiry. not something i discussed with them. but going back to a point that bryan made a moment about. the conjecture, it's even more than the last couple weeks. over this past year there's been an investigation into this so-called collusion between the campaign and a foreign entity. there's still no proof anyone on the campaign was colluding. >> mike pence has come out twice -- he's been trotted out to be like the kindly face of this and say, gosh darn, i can't believe, the media is going after this thing going down a
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rabbit hole. an hour later he comes out saying we had no idea about this report. we just learned about it from this report. apparently they believe this report because they're responding to it. it's not good for mike pence. >> given how little we know about the mueller probe, we know there's at least one guilty plea and one cooperator helping federal investigators working this case. they've succeed based on the evidence they revealed from the guilty plea in pegging the time line, in terms of when the campaign news the russias were offering help back in april. that opens up possibilities of what may have unfurled itself. there's plenty of evidence to believe the white house perceives an increasing threat. we're learning jeff sessions is considering appointing a special prosecutor to distract and fire up the fog machine on the uranium one. roy moore, the white house itself, two white house officials floating the possibility of jeff sessions retaking his senate seat. i can't imagine that part of the motive is not to get jeff
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sessions out of doj and bring a attorney general in there that can potentially disrupt the mueller investigation. a new woman accusing roy moore of sexual abuse speaking out today. so does mr. moore speaking out. also the list of lawmakers on capitol hill saying he should bow out of the race is growing. we'll cover that when we continue.
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more breaking news tonight. just as support on capitol hill is eroding for alabama senate candidate roy moore, a new accuser named beverly nelson has come forward. she said back in the 1978 moore assaulted her when he offered her a ride home from the restaurant where she worked and he ate. with attorney gloria allred by her side, mrs. nelson spoke to reporters this afternoon. >> he stopped the car. he stopped the car and he parked
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his car. in between the dumpster and the back of the restaurant where there were no lights. the area was dark and the area was deserted. i was alarmed and i immediately asked him what he was doing. instead of answering my questions, mr. moore reached over and began groping me. him putting his hands on my breasts. i tried to open my car door to leave, but he reached over. he locked it so i could not get out. i tried fighting him off while yelling at him to stop. but instead of stopping, he began squeezing my neck,
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attempting to force my head onto his crotch. i continued to struggle. i was determined that i was not going to allow him to force me to have sex with him. i was terrified. he was also trying to pull my shirt off. i thought that he was going to rape me. i was twisting and i was struggling and i was begging him to stop. i had tears running down my face. at some point he gave up. and he then looked at me and he told me, he said you're just a child, and he said i am the district attorney. and if you tell anyone about this, no one will ever believe you. >> roy moore tonight denied the allegations, and as we said,
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even before beverly young nelson spoke up today, support among the republicans who moore would serve with on capitol hill was slipping. today it seems to fall off a cliff. phil, a lot more senators saying roy moore should withdraw. what more have we learned tonight? >> started with a trickle and caveated statements. that has shifted. right now it's a waterfall of senators saying it's time for him to step aside. anderson, it was led by senate majority leader mitch mcconnell and john thune saying it's time for him to go, gone are the if he's guilty, if the allegations are true caveats. the real question now is what power do these republicans who are being clear he needs to get out of the race actually have? and the answer is, not a lot. i was talking to several republican operatives throughout the day, trying to get a sense of what their end game is and the hope the clearly that roy moore drops out. there's also talk of write-in campaigns, people like luther
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strange, who lost the primary to roy moore. perhaps jeff sessions, who's made clear he's not interested in it through associates of his. so what is the actual end game? one republican operative texted back to me question marks. they don't know. at least roy moore on capitol hill is not the answer. >> it seems unlikely he would drop out, at least at this point given his public statements. could the same senators refuse to seat him should he got re-elected? >> it's unlikely. but what they can do is try to expel him. what probably was the most dynamic statement of the entire day, cory gardener putting out a statement saying clearly if roy moore wins his election, that if he does not drop out and he wins, that he should be expelled. this isn't something that was embraced. a lot of senators didn't weigh in, others said, hold on. let's wait and see how this
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plays out. but the fact that cory gardener put this as an option, made it clear they're exploring every option here. it's worth noting. this is not something that happens often. only 15 senators in the history of the chamber have ever been expelled. the last one in 1852. the process isn't easy. senate ethics committee would have to start an investigation, then 2/3 of all senators would have to vote for it. so it's not an easy process. but just the fact it's on the table right now, shows you how serious this is, and how all republican support has completely flown away, anderson. more on the latest accuser with allegations of sexual misconduct, against roy moore. she showed a yearbook she claims he signed, plus our panel's take on all this ahead. t in there? i got this... that's the new man, huh? yup. getting kinda' close to my ride. wow... now, that's how you make a first impression. they're going to love you... that's ford, america's best-selling brand. hurry in today for 0% financing for 72 months across the full line of ford cars, trucks and suvs!
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breaking news tonight, another woman coming forward with allegations against roy moore. the alleged sexual assault took place when the accuser, beverly young nelson was 16 years old. moore denying the allegation, saying i don't even know the woman. at the press conference she shows a yearbook. the she said he signed it love roy moore, da, and the date december 22, 1977. i want to bring back in the panel. ana, for the republican party, this is certainly the last thing they need to be dealing with and we're certainly seeing that in the reaction of a lot of senators on capitol hill. >> it's horrific for the republican party in a bunch of
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ways. first of all, what is this republican party now? grand old pedophiles? it is embarrassing. they should have been embarrassed by roy moore a long time ago -- >> when there were -- >> -- when he was say ing horrific homophobic things. saying things against muslims. he has said enough and done enough before this that he should have been embarrassed. this is absolutely unacceptable. i am glad to see republican leaders are coming out trying to distance themselves from him and doing everything they can to cut off the stringing. it's a little late. it's also a problem for the republican party because it does show the rift, the civil war, between the party. which side exist within the republican party. we are seeing washington
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republicans are saying one thing and we're seeing people in alabama, republicans still defending, even evangelicals defending him. comparisons to mary and joseph and lawnmowers. this is crazy. this should be about basic right and wrong. this should not be about base versus establishment. this should not be about democrats versus republicans. this should be about protecting women, 14, 15, 16 year old girls. it is shameful that we are doing this right now. >> you can thank steve bannon for his first victory this electoral cycle happens to be with roy moore, and he lost with ed gillespie. >> i'm not thanking him for a damn thing. >> nationally speaking, they were pretty quick to disavow this. i think that mitch mcconnell, as the majority leader came out, said he believed the women. and i think it was a smart move politically. obviously it was the right thing morally, but with politically speaking this is triage. i think that republicans are saying, if this is going to happen in
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alabama, keep it in alabama. we don't want this spreading. we don't want every republican candidate in america to answer the question, do they support roy moore or not. i think they've probably stemmed the bleeding or kept it in alabama. >> if he gets elected, they're faced with the dilemma what to do. >> i think you're right it was important for them to say i believe these women instead of if, in fact, it happened. but we also now need to hear from the president. his excuse for the last few days is i haven't been following the news, i'm traveling over seas. and official statement was he should step down if, in fact, this did happen db but i think he needs to be more definitive. this is not an issue they don't want to focus on. the president just tweeted about tax reform but the president is going to have to be talking and addressing this too. >> i can't agree with you more. if someone can make a difference in alabama, it's probably donald trump.
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it's not mitch mcconnell, it's not republican leadership in washington. i suspect that a lot of people are saying to donald trump you really shouldn't weigh into this, god knows you have your share of issues when it comes to this topic, but precisely because he does, he should on this time, on this time, be on the right side. >> do you think the president should weigh in on this? >> not at all. where i disagree a number of the panelists up here, i woke up this morning thinking there wasn't a snow-ball chance in hell that roy moore was going to get into the senate, but then the u.s. senate and all these national politicians started saying who you should and shouldn't pick. gloria allred comes sprinting out with a press conference. i don't want that to step on the lady's story, which is very compelling and heart breaking to see that, and especially seeing that note in the yearbook
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makes you want to throw up, but there's nothing that's going to make the people of alabama want to rally around one of their people than having a bunch of cultural and media elites say you shouldn't vote for this person. >> i talked to somebody who worked on his campaign saying i want to volunteer for that reason. >> the proper course is normally a criminal trial. we've been robbed of that opportunity because of the delay in the reporting. so we now have a political trial which is election day. so you have everybody weighing in to try to make this a political trial, and it very much should be. seeing that woman on tv recount her experiences was gut wrenching. it very much reminds me of when teenage prostitutes gave us an interview on tv, and said this guy hired us. these were teenage prostitutes six years ago that was brought up and nobody called on him to step down. why does hypocrisy exist here.
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you have proven allegations -- >> those prostitutes recanted the story. >> they were pressured by the government to recant the story. >> do we have to do the what-aboutism? >> can't we be consistent? >> yeah can't we be consistent -- >> these women had nothing to gain by coming forward. >> we have to take a break. >> by the way, bob me len dez is on trial. >> not for these charges. >> he's going to have to deal with the asks. >> moore's fate is up to the alabama voters now. crohn's disease. you're more than just a bathroom disease. you're a life of unpredictable symptoms. crohn's, you've tried to own us. but now it's our turn to take control with stelara® stelara® works differently for adults with moderately to severely active crohn's disease. studies showed relief and remission, with dosing every 8 weeks. stelara® may lower the ability of your immune system to fight infections and may increase your risk of infections and cancer.
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before the break we touched on the seemingly die-hard support that roy moore still enjoys back in alabama. cnn's kyung lah spoke with women in the state to get their take. >> reporter: for decades in gadsden, a town of 35,000 tucked in the northeast corner of alabama, the whispers lingered, mainly among the women. >> it was my whole entire adult life it was always roy moore stories. >> well, it was common knowledge. you just steered away from him. >> i don't know how else to answer that. you just knew that things took place. >> reporter: but for kathy sisson, a republican, it wasn't just rumor.
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she says she's close friends with the mother of leigh corfman. corfman told the "washington post" that four decades ago the then 32-year-old roy moore had sexual contact with her when she was 14 years old. sisson learned of this decades ago from corfman's mother. >> and in the '90s nancy confided in me and told me the story that was printed in the newspaper in confidence. i never said it. i never told anybody because it was in confidence. but because of that i knew i would never vote for the man. >> how did you vote in the primary? >> i voted republican -- for roy moore. >> reporter: carol callis is a registered republican too. what happens on december 12th? >> before i'm a republican, i'm a mother of daughters. i can't vote for him now. i just can't. >> reporter: callis says she's known leigh corfman for years as well but says she never knew until the "washington post"
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published its story about corfman and three other women. those three women told the post that moore in his 30s pursued them as teenagers between the ages of 16 and 18. >> for me reading it in the newspaper and realizing that i truly knew two of these people and knew their mothers and all of a sudden they weren't rumors anymore, my heart broke. it's a devastating feeling to think what those individuals have gone through all these years, not feeling they could speak up. >> by a show of hands, how many of you think roy moore will be elected to the u.s. senate? none of you think he's going to win? >> no. >> reporter: that may be wishful thinking on their part. >> it's absolutely unbelievable. >> reporter: supporters in his home state cheered as moore denied the allegations. we spoke to numerous women voters in alabama who say they
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still support him, but amid the allegations that moore pursued minors they were reluctant to say so publicly. joyce shelly is the exception. >> i've been knowing roy moore a long, long, long time. i'm talking about probably forty years. >> have you heard anything like this about him? >> never. >> we spoke outside the courthouse where moore was an assistant district attorney. on december 12th when your state goes to the ballot box, who is going to win this election? >> i still think roy moore will. >> why do you believe that? >> i just know he knows a lot of people and a lot of people feel the same way that i do. >> the women you spoke to, what did they say about the possibility of roy moore getting expelled from the senate if he's elected? >> some of the women we spoke to, namely in the first group, anderson, say yes, that is the way to go, that is the safety net. but that last woman in my story, she said there is one way to widen that rift between d.c. and states like alabama, is to expel him if alabama sends him to the
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u.s. senate, anderson. >> all right. kyung lah. thanks very much for the reporting. coming up, when world leaders call each other names, it's just like the playground only with the threat of nuclear war. the "riduculist" is next. farm to table on a blockchain,m helping keep shoppers safe. this is a financial transaction secure from hacks and threats others can't see. this is a skyscraper whose elevators use iot data and ai to help thousands get to work safely and efficiently. this is not the cloud you know. this is the ibm cloud. the ibm cloud is the cloud for business. yours. ♪ ♪ if yor crohn's symptoms are holding you back,
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time now for the "riduculist." and tonight we have to talk about the president trading insults again with north korea. over the weekend north korea called his speech reckless remarks by an old lunatic and the president responded, quote, why would kim jong-un insult me by calling me old when i would never call him short and fat. oh, well. i try so hard to be his friend and maybe someday that will happen." yeah, it's juvenile. yeah, it's the pot calling the kettle fat. yeah, it's absolutely insane that it ends with "i try so hard to be his friend." before we delve further into the
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ridiculousness of the tweet, just a quick reminder that its backdrop is no big deal, just a little thing called potential nuclear armageddon. i believe it was t.s. elliott, the hollow man, that warned this is the way the world ends, not with a bang but on twitter. the president's tweet was on saturday night, just in time to make weekend update. >> look how vain and catty he is. they're like you lunatic old man. and he's like old? >> it's true. it's an exchange that could have been straight out of mean girls but even in mean girls they eventually apologize for all the name-calling. sort of. >> alissa, i'm sorry i called you a gap-toothed [ bleep ]. it's not your fault you're so gap-toothed. >> gretchen, i'm sorry i laughed at you that time you got diarrhea at barnes & noble and i'm sorry i told everyone about it. and i'm sorry for repeating it now. >> laura, i don't hate you because you're fat. you're fat because i hate you. >> thinking about that one for a second. come to think of it the president's i would never call him short and fat but i try to
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hard to be his friend isn't nearly as nuanced and biting as what kids in high school can come up with. someone on twitter transferred it into crayon, which is actually more fitting to the age group and sentiment. and frientdingly close to an exchange in "peewee's big adventu adventure." >> you're a nerd. >> i know you are but what am i. >> you're an idiot. >> i know you are but what am i? >> i know you are but what am i? >> i know you are but what am i? infinity. >> oh, peewee. if the president absolutely has to hurl juvenile insults with potentially catastrophic consequences perhaps he should aspire to make them interesting or original. maybe he should watch "veep" to get some pointers. >> >> you're a dirty little bleep. >> you don't get the complexity. you're the world's biggest single cell organism. >> it was an accident, okay? much like when your big foot got your mom pregnant resulting in you. >> if you want to get some cardio exercise you have to have a heart. and i don't have time to ignore you, jonah. gary, could you please ignore jonah for me? >> don't you patronize me with
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your no jaw. you congressman no jaw! >> don't forget your booster seat. >> oh, shove it up your [ bleep ]. >> thanks so much. >> that's what we call ending on a positive note on the "riduculist." thanks for watching. time to turn it over to don lemon. "cnn tonight" starts right now. breaking news, three bombshell stories in this country and around the world. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. we're learning that attorney general jeff sessions has asked senior prosecutors to look into the clinton foundation, including the sale of uranium one. prosecutors will report directly to sessions and deputy attorney general rod rosenstein and are being asked to make recommendations on whether any matters merit the appointment of a special counsel. also tonight donald trump, jr. releasing exchanges he had with wikileaks' twitter account via direct messages during the 2016 presidential campaign. trump jr. tweeted the exchange shortly after "the atlantic" firs
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