the trump administration canceling a program that allowed haitian immigrants to live in the u.s. after the 2010 earthquake. your thoughts on roy moore, mr. president? >> the president thinks that this is something that the people of alabama should decide. >> sending a message down to his supporters in alabama that he needs that vote, he needs a legislative victory. cnn survey finds that the death toll in puerto rico may be nine times higher than the

official count. why are they not calling these funeral homes one by one? >> this is "new day" by chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. it's tuesday, november 21st, 7:00 here in new york. the question of what america is about is once again in sharp focus. the trump administration announcing its going to end a humanitarian program that allowed nearly 60,000 haitians to live and work in the u.s. after that deadly quake that devastated the country seven years ago. a federal judge permanently blocking an order that called funding to sanctuary cities. the judge calling that unconstitutional. all this while the president

stays silent on the sexual allegations against senate candidate roy moore. joe johns is live at the white house. good morning, joe. >> good morning, alisyn. you know, it wasn't too long ago that the administration was zeroing in on childhood arrivals from other countries. now, the target is people who came here to the united states to escape the effects of a catastrophic earthquake. now tens of thousands of haitians could be forced to leave the country or live in the shadows. the trump administration ending a humanitarian program, allowing approximately 59,000 haitian immigrants to temporarily live and work in the united states, giving them until july 2019 to leave the country or risk being deported. after a powerful 7.0 magnitude

earthquake killed hundreds of thousands in the island nation. the department of homeland security declaring those extraordinary, but temporary conditions caused by the 2010 earthquake no longer exist. however haiti remains the poorest country in the western hemisphere and 55,000 haitiasm ns are still struggling in the aftermath of the quake, with thousands still living in makeshift camps seven years later. the head of the democratic national committee responding in a statement writing donald trump's cruelty knows no bounds. iliana ros-lehtinen saying that haiti is not prepared to take back 60,000 people, as a judge permanently blocks the trump administration's executive order that would deny funding so-called sanctuary cities, the judge ruling that the president cannot set new conditions on spending approved by congress,

rejecting that it was merely an instruction to enforce existing law. >> i don't want to fund anybody if they're going to have sanctuary cities, we may have to do that. certainly that would be a weapon. >> this, as the white house seems to imply they would prefer to have alleged child molester roy moore in the senate rather than his democratic opponent if it means getting tax reform passed. doug jones is a dock rin liberal. >> vote roy moore? >> i'm telling you we want the votes in the senate to get this tax bill through. >> kellyanne conway sending a different message last week. >> the principle is that there's no senate seat that's worth more than a child. >> press secretary sarah sanders refusing to take a stand on behalf of the white house.

>> the president believes this is a decision for the people of alabama to make. the people of alabama should make the decision. >> the decision that the people of alabama need to make. >> president trump is not personally weighed in on the roy moore controversy in more than six day. >> do you believe roy moore's accusers, mr. president? >> thank you. >> thank you very much. >> important to underscore that roy moore denies the allegations that have been lodged against him. he is vowing to stay in the alabama senate race. today at the white house, the president is expected to participate in the annual tradition of pardoning turkeys in advance of the thanksgiving holiday. it will be another opportunity for journalists to try to get a question or two to him about the controversies of the day. chris and alisyn, back to you. >> the tradition of saving turkeys stays. the tradition of sheltering those in need, in doubt. let's bring in editor at large, chris cillizza and cnn political analyst david druker. david, who likes this?

who is this playing to? you don't need to cancel this program. it's not like it's a huge budget buster. you have tons of umbilical connections now with haiti. the notion that it's okay in haiti now is a laughable notion. it seems to be a sledge hammer to the foundation of what this country is about. >> the president campaigned on clamping down not just on illegal immigration but legal immigration. there is a whole school of thought on the nationalist right. it started really with jeff sessions, now the attorney general. as a senator from alabama, he picked this philosophy up that there are too many immigrants in the united states for what the economy can handle. and especially after the great recession, they're taking jobs or competing with jobs that would otherwise go to americans. this is part of clearing out an excess of immigration that the president did campaign on. one thing that he has not

waivered on -- we've seen him waiver on some things, not follow through on other things, but moving ahead with the wall, not built yet but in process and a ban if they seem to be a national security threat, muslims mainly, this is part of what he promised he would do. and i think this is, in a sense, how he -- from a political aspect, keeps his base happy. one of the reasons he did so well in the republican primary, granted, it was crowded, he was the one candidate willing to say i'm not going to play nice when it comes to immigration and immigration reform. i'm going to put a stop to it. and that has a constituency. >> politically, that's the situation. we're at a different unemployment rate than at a great recession. the employment rate needs workers now and there are now

30,000 kids who were born to these haitian refugees who are now american citizens. so what to do about them. how is this going to work, chris? wrooer not talking with tens of millions of people. hundreds and thousands in some case. we're talking about thousands. donald trump needs to make sure his base knows that he meant it when he said he was going to crack down. round these people up. how are they going to deal with children born in this country while people are legally here? let's remind folks.

not just for asians but for people that are in a dire circumstance for whatever reason. they can stay here for a certain period of time. how do we handle their children born here and technically american citizens? how do we handle this is what happens when you make a move for symbolic political reasons. it is making good on a campaign promise. but it does -- the real-world execution of that decision is always far more complicated than simply making the decision. >> the president usually has a second line problem, okay? i'm going to do this. that's great. how are you going to do it? the practicalities here are going to be a problem. i still think that this is a fundamental sell, an aggressive

harshness directed toward what is seen as a group of others. is this really the kind of thing that he thinks will get him re-elected? >> i think so. you have to look at the republican party at large and how much of it -- not all of it, but much of it has adopted a skepticism of immigration that didn't exist before. >> this isn't immigration. that's the thing. this is a humanitarian program about for people who are leaving incredibly abject circumstances. >> but politically it's under the same umbrella. if you look at, for instance, the immigration security bill that tom cotton, the republican from arkansas, has come up with, it involves clamping down on legal immigration. for years in republican circles, the issue was -- especially with voters, when are you going to finally stop illegal immigration and not reward law breakers? it's moved from that to now include clamping down on illegal

immigration. >> why start with the neediest? >> because it's the easiest thing to do. these are visas that can be canceled. that's the best argument i can come up with. the danger here -- you can satisfy security concerns, whether we agree or disagree. the danger economically is one of the reasons the u.s. economy has been a lot more vibrant than economies in europe is because of our immigration policies. we constantly have new, fresh talent. >> workers. >> in the u.s., even low skill because they want more for their kids, they work harder and they force everybody to compete. and we're in danger of doing to the u.s. economy, making it much more static and less dynamic if we don't have that kind of energy. >> let's move on to another top story, roy moore. kellyanne conway is exhibit a of what they first said about the allegations against roy moore, having had sexual contact with

an underage girl and other teenage girls and yesterday kellyanne conway was on fox and said something quite different. watch this. >> there's no senate seat worth more than a child. doug jones in alabama, folks, don't be fooled. he will be a vote against tax cuts. >> vote roy moore? >> i'm telling you we want the votes in the senate to get this tax bill through. >> so where are they, chris? >> well, look, if they want roy moore out and a republican who does not have these problems in, they, being the white house, then they need to say that, right? you can't simply -- kellyanne conway doesn't want to say vote roy moore. her comments last week made pretty clear that roy moore's alleged behavior, in her mind is unacceptable. but my point here is you're the

president of the united states. in her case, senior counselor. you are a senior member of the white house staff. you don't just get to say, well, we'll let the people of alabama decide. if you truly believe that roy moore's behavior should disqualify him but you want a republican in that seat. come out and say what you want. you want a write-in candidacy, jeff session, want roy moore to withdraw. say something other than what the people of alabama will decide unless you are okay with roy moore being in the senate. >> the president is clearly boxed in here. if he wades too deep in this -- >> too deeply? he said nothing. he goes at lavar ball. >> and al franken. doesn't seem to mind the allegations -- >> that's why i said too deeply. he weighed in a little with franken. if he gets involved with this and tries to push out moore, that's where he will end up. moore won't listen to him anyway. he is in a very tough spot of his own making. >> there you go.

thank you. >> thank you david and chris. >> thank you, c. mo. >> that was to you. >> thank you. >> we need to move on. more women are coming forward with their stories of sexual harassment from hollywood to capitol hill. that includes congressman debbie dingle who shared her story with us. we have reaction she's received over the past few days. hey, man. oh!

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only towards me, everybody on capitol hill knew it. i just happened to be one of these people. i was with a very prominent, historical person and i'm not going to name who this person is because -- and that's part of the problem. a lot of women don't have the courage because even though they've got the me too story, there are consequences. >> well, a lot has happened since that moment. joining us now is democratic congresswoman debbie dingell from michigan. congresswoman thank you so much for being back. we want to check back in with you and see what happens happened over these past couple of days since you shared your story. what's the response been? >> good morning, alisyn. for the most part, it's been really touching in the -- by saturday, 50 women had reached out to me or called me. a 21-year-old woman hugged me at an event friday night and said i'm that waitress you spoke for. another young woman -- and this is one of the things i'm trying to do. how do we help these women?

said to me my boss closed the door -- she was 22 years old -- and told me to get up on the table and dance and i need my job. another, a mother said you've allowed me to talk to my son and my daughter. and i heard it again last night. servers coming up and thanking me. you know, men are uncomfortable with this discussion. and i've had some hostile comments, which that's why people like me are willing to talk, because we're strong enough to take them. i've had men act uncomfortable over the weekend. i had a man to me say you've ruffledfer feathers but i've had other men hg me and say you're helping my daughters. >> that's why we're having this conversation. i get it. i understand why men feel awkward, uncomfortable and hopefully these will help everybody know what the boundaries are supposed to be. one more thing about what you said on friday. you talked about a powerful man putting his hands on you in a grocery inappropriate way. and you said that he was an

historical figure. since then there's been a lot of speculation about who that was and you didn't name names. i'm just wondering if, for the record, you want to say who it was or who it was not. >> i don't want to name a name. but the speculation is all centered on it was a united states senator and it wasn't. one of those people, the name that i've heard the most was a very good friend to my husband and always treated me honorably and respectfully. >> can you say that name, of who it wasn't? >> it was not ted kennedy, i will say that. because all the media took off that way. he always treated me with dignity and respect. and that's why it's dangerous for people to start speculating. i have to say that the speed and the sweep of the number of names that are coming out is -- i said on sunday over the weekend, there are thousands of names out there. and i think that people who are currently in office or currently in a corporate suite and continuing to practice this

despicable behavior need to be held accountable. and i salute the women brave enough to come forward. but even, alisyn, as you read the articles, people are afraid to have their name because they are afraid of consequences. and the dam has broken. so i hope that we are going to have real change and we need to focus on how we're going to go forward but hold people accountable right now. but maybe the culture will -- we have to focus on how do we help everybody? that's who i'm focused on, the working woman, the tip waitress, the woman on the factory floor, the lawyer. >> all those women that don't have the powerful platform you and i have but hopefully by talking about it on our powerful platform it does help women who you talk about in your own district. but just a few hours ago, veteran journalist charlie rose is now being featured. there are eight women who have come forward to "the washington post" to talk about things that they say he did to them at his

show on pbs. and this morning his co-anchors on cbs just talked about what this means to them. so, let me play a moment for yo you. >> i certainly echo that. nora, i really am still reeling. i got an hour and 42 minutes of sleep last night. both my son and daughter called me. oprah called me and said are you okay? i am not okay after reading that article in "the post" it was deeply disturbing, troubling and painful for me to read. that said, i think we have to make this matter to women, the women who have spoken up, the women who have not spoken up because they are afraid. i hope now they will take the step to speak out, too, that this becomes a moment of truth. i've enjoyed a friendship and a partnership with charlie for the past five years. i've held him in such high regard. and i'm really struggling, because how do you -- what do you say when someone that you deeply care about has done something that is so horrible?

how do you wrap your brain around that? i'm really grappling with that. that said, charlie does not get a pass here. >> one thing they went on to say is that it requires all of us to hold two thoughts in our head at one time. you can be a talented man, veteran journalist and think you have mentored people and you can also have been a predator in the workplace and we're just seeing this happen. >> you know, i think gayle was very articulate. we're all trying to wrap our heads around this. by the way, there's more names coming. there's no question. i've heard them for years. and any man that has practiced just despicable, irresponsible behavior needs to be worried. but what i think we ought -- i'm having a hard time wrapping my head around some of them, just like she is and you are. what we have got to figure out is how do we make the dam moment? how did the dam break and how do we change the culture so men know, you cannot do that anymore? you cannot take your power and hold it over us?

one of the first things we have to do, i hope paul ryan schedules jackie speier the week we are back and they need to lead on passing legislation that holds people accountable, doesn't make the taxpayers pay for it, has everybody pay for it and is transparent. we all need to know. corporations are doing the same thing. they're signing these confidential agreements, burying the money that they pay. one, that shouldn't be tax deductible and shareholders should know who is doing it. >> for sure. jackie spear legislation about how these settlements have been paid out in millions of dollars from capitol hill against people who have accused men, primarily, of bad behavior and it's taxpayer dollars. and you didn't even know about it. you are on capitol hill. you didn't know about this. so, yes, it's time to shine some sunlight on all of this. that brings us to what's happening with roy moore. so, roy moore, as you know, running for u.s. senate from alabama and the white house has

been struggling with how to respond to this. so, kellyanne conway, lead counselor to the president, has said what sounds like two different things. she said something last week about how, you know, child molestation, call it whatever you want, is unthinkable and cannot be tolerated and yesterday she said something that sounded different. let me play both of these for you. >> dog jones in alabama, folks, don't be fooled. he will be a vote against tax cuts. he's weak on crime, weak on borders. he's strong on raising your taxes. he's terrible for property owners. >> so vote roy moore? >> doctrine liberal which is why he's not saying anything and the media are trying to boost him. >> so vote roy moore? >> i'm telling you, we want the votes in the senate to get this tax bill through. >> so, they want the votes. so it sounds like that trumps everything, pardon the pun. what do you want to hear out of the white house? >> you know, what i want to hear

out of the white house is condemnation of -- i still know that we've got to -- he's denying everything. but when you have the number of young women who aren't so young anymore come forward and say the same story, there is something there. and i think her first reaction was absolutely the right reaction. and we all have to look at our souls and our hearts. how did we get to this place? how are so many men allowed to get away with this behavior? i get mad about the very first man that did it to me. it built my backbone for the rest of my career to help other women. but we can't tolerate it. if this dam is really going to have been broken and if we're really going to make real change, nobody, nobody can dance the line on what is moral behavior and what is not. >> congressman debbie dingell, we appreciate you coming on, sharing your story and coining the phrase the dam moment. it seems fitting. thank you very much for being here. chris? >> double entendre there. the reflection of what's not

being talked about by the president when it comes to roy moore is reflected by the man on your screen. the president has plenty of time to talk on lavar ball. he did a big interview with cnn. it literally dominated the internet. hear why he refuses to thank the president who helped get his kid out of china after he stole something. next. verizon and google have teamed up on the pixel 2. it's like verizon is the oil and google is the balsamic. it's more like the google pixel 2 is the unlimited storage. and verizon is the best unlimited plan. i like oil and balsamic. (vo) get up to 50% off the pixel 2 on google's exclusive wireless partner, verizon. nahelps protect eyesin blue from damaging blue light, filtering it out to help you continue enjoying your screens. or... you could just put your phones down and talk to each other. [laughing] nature's bounty lutein blue. because you're better off healthy.

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lavar ball rocketed to the top of trends on twitter. but he is still offering no thank yous to president trump. he is the father of liangelo ball, by the way, one of the ucla basketball players caught shoplifting in china. then when ball refused to thank the president, the president took the bait and said maybe he should have left them in jail which, of course, was beneath the presidency. so, we get back to lavar ball. why won't he thank the president for helping get his kid out of china? here is what he said. >> it wasn't like he was in the u.s. and said, okay, there's

three kids in chiena. i need to go over there and get them. that wasn't the thought process. i have to know what somebody is doing before i say thank you. i'm not just going to go around saying thank you. >> they were in a place that didn't need to let them go and they could have been held for a long time. >> they were in a place that didn't let them go? he got them out of jail, right? >> they didn't need to let them go. >> you heard what he tweeted because he's mad at me. i should have left their asses in jail. >> yep. >> first of all they wasn't in jail. they was in a hotel. >> the president of the united states says he helped and you say if you didn't see it, you didn't hear it, you don't believe it? >> hey, if he said he helped, that's good for his mind. >> what do you mean, good for his mind? >> why do you even have to say it? if you helped you shouldn't have to say -- if i helped somebody, i don't walk around saying you know, i help you now. come on now, you give me some love. i helped you. come on, for real? somebody told me about the tweet a couple of days ago. i don't even tweet. i'm just saying why is that on your mind? all this stuff going on and

that's on your mind thatty afather didn't say thank you? you're supposed to be the head of -- you know, you're the head of the u.s.? come on. >> fair criticism. the president is asking for thanks. you can criticize that. >> what is the criticism about that? i'm just stating a point that i'm saying is, there's a lot of other thing that's going on. >> no question about it. >> let him do his political affairs, let me handle my son and let's just stay in our lane. >> you won't say thank you. hey, thanks. your son said thank you. the other guys say thank you. why won't you say thanks? >> i'm not the other guys, though. come on now. >> why won't you say thank you to the president? >> it doesn't make -- if somebody does something for you, you say thank you. >> somebody did something for you. >> if that's your opinion that that's what he did for me, i would have said thank you if he would have put him on his plane and took him home. then i would have said thank you, mr. trump, for taking my boys out of china and bringing them back to the u.s. there's a lot of room on that plane. i would have said thank you

kindly for that. what did he do for me? >> he helped get your son out of china, where he could have been in jail for a long time. >> what about some other -- why was he going to be in jail for a long time? >> because he stole something, according to the chinese authority. >> how long do you think he would have been in jail for? >> minimum of three years. >> he's okay. he has so much character in 18 years that he's allowed to have a pass for that. >> that's your son. >> one bad decision at a time. >> and he said thank you to the president of the united states. something his father didn't want to do. what kind of -- >> who didn't want to do that? >> what kind of example does that give your son? >> is that to my son? i'll tell you what type of example it is. you know where my boy is at right now? because of me. because i spent all that time and love for him. don't come in one time and think you did something for my son. >> lavar ball, the best to you and your family for thanksgiving. the best to your boys and to your wife as well. >> hey, you have a great

thanksgiving. hey, and i've got a message for you. >> what is it? >> tell donald trump to have a great thanksgiving because big baller is. >> i hope you're thankful for him. take care. >> all right. let's discuss what is going on here with cnn political commentator and republican strategist and matt shlapp, former political director for george w. bush. we're thankful for your voices on this show as we approach thanksgiving. let's show proof of that right now. what is this about for lavar ball? is this just about hype or do you ascribe any currency to this alternate theory, which is trump shouldn't be asking for thanks, there's resistance to trump and that's what lavar ball is about? harnessing that descent of the president. >> does it have to be one or the other? are they mutually exclusive? >> i like it clean but you can mix it if you want. >> i think it's both. i think on the one hand, yeah, look, what donald trump did, if he helped these kids, is a good

thing. i wouldn't want my kid in china. it is a dictatorship. it is a country where the rule of law is not what it is in the united states. i was thinking of -- remember that teenager, that kid that like painted graffiti on a wall in singapore and got caned? >> yeah. >> these are different countries with different sets of law. >> they stole stuff. you go to jail to that here, too, by the way. >> exactly. >> so say thank you. >> say thank you. i don't think it's that hard. there are times -- first of all, donald trump should not be asking for thank you. but lavar ball should be saying thank you without him saying it. look, you've got two tough talking showmen who love the hype, who don't back down from a fight. the one doesn't apologize. the other one doesn't say thank you and they just keep this thing going. that interview was cuckoo crazy. >> cost me hairline. >> aren't you getting some sports pair fer nsport

sports paraphernalia? >> we'll see. he said he would send me big baller stuff. i thought i can't wait to give that away to charity. >> why engage with this guy, with all the things he's not talking about, why go at it with lavar ball? >> one of the reasons he might have realized what a jerk he was. i can't believe that interview. with my five kids, it's please and thank you. please and thank you. you can say that the president shouldn't ask for a thank you. that's a fair question. but i think it's also a fair answer to say, you know, when someone does something for one of your kids, gets them out of, as ana said, a dictator's prison, whether it's a hotel or prison, makes no difference. you say thank you. this is why so many people across the country are divorcing themselves from their idolization of these professional athletes. the acorn did not fall far from the tree here. i have to give the son some credit. he acted with class at the press conference. he apologized for his criminal behavior and thanked the president. i think he needs to teach his father something. >> it works both ways.

some of what the president says and some of what his antics have been about has diminished somewhat of the luster on the presidency for a lot of people as well. so, let's pivot. i'm good on lavar ball until there's the next chapter, i'm good on it. i don't want to do it again. here is what i want to talk about. matt schlapp, make the case for what's going on with the end of the temporary placement plan for haitians and nicaraguans and all of this. what is this about? why do this? it seems like an attack on one of the fundamental definitions in this country in terms of taking in people in need. why do this? >> you have to have boundaries in all these immigration programs there. comes a point where we can't just accept everybody for every reason. i am sympathetic to the cause of these folks especially, the communities in south florida. but i'm also okay with an administration and a president who said we can only do things

for periods of time. i'm okay with them saying -- each of these populations where we allow people to come to america under a temporary situation, temporary doesn't mean permanent. that's something we all have to understand, which is to get to america is a very special thing. as ana knows, my father escaped cubea came here legally and wants to be an american. that's not the case for every person. sometimes it's a temporary work permit. sometimes they want to come here because there's a natural disaster and it's okay for our country to allow people to come here temporarily but it's okay for us to end those programs. >> it depends. it depends. >> sure. >> ana, i'm telling you, you -- well, you could survive anywhere. matt and me, we couldn't make it in haiti for two weeks. >> i agree. >> i was there for the earthquake. i've seen the aftermath. i know what's going on there. the idea that we hear from our government that it's okay to go back now is crazy talk.

and while matt is right, as a premise -- temporary doesn't mean permanent -- why start with these haitians and kninicaragua? i know close to you because they're your family. if you want to reduce the number of people and make it special, as matt is saying, why start with the most vulnerable? >> first of all i couldn't hear a word that matt says, which is fine with me. i think i like him better when i can see and not hear him. i can't respond to what he said. why? immigration was a huge part of trump's campaign promises. there is no wall. you know, they have not deported everybody. so these folks have no voice. they've got no vote and it's a place to where he can show his base, look, i'm doing something. i frankly think it's not only unconscionable but going to be incredibly destructive to miami, south florida where i live. most of these haitians and nicaraguans are there.

it is supposed to be temporary but for years, republican and democratic presidents have let it become not temporary. it's been decades. people have built families. people have built homes. people have built business. >> this is the problem. >> people are holding down jobs. people are part of our fiber, particularly in south florida. the disruption to our economy, the disruption to families, to u.s. children is going to be ginormous and the disruption in latin america. haiti is the poorest country in the western hemisphere. nicaragua is the second poor northwest the western hemisphere. >> you're sending people who have tried their best back to the worst. matt, go ahead. >> this is one of the big differences in immigration policy, the idea that someone is a political refugee, who we've always given a special status to, as opposed to someone who is an economic refugee. the premise to your question, you and i would not survive in haiti. i agree with you. a huge percentage of the population that lives in desperate circumstances.

we are very fortunate to be americans. it doesn't mean that we need to accept everybody who is in a desperate economic situation. we simply can't sustain doing that. we have to make logical decisions. i think ana is right, temporary does usually become permanent, which is why there's this outcry across america. having legal status in america, you should have to go through the legal process. becoming an american you shouldn't get to do it just because you came here in a temporary status. >> what is important, there's something like 18 months before this goes into effect. we've got 800,000 kids right now whose lives are in limbo because of the d.r.e.a.m. act, daca. >> because of obama. >> congress needs to act. if something is going to get done, congress has 18 months. it's got even less on the daca side to act. and they need to act quickly. they need a comprehensive, fair immigration policy that has border security and also takes care of these people who are americans in every way but one.

>> thank you very much. look, if nothing else, they're going to be huge practical problem. if they want to get these people out of the country and their kids are here, how are they going to do it? how are you going to do it? it will be tough. matt, ana, thanks to both of you. we're thankful to have you on this show. >> we're thankful to have you host. >> alisyn? >> okay, counthris. now to an update in puerto rico. official death toll from hurricane maria is 55. cnn has found far different numbers. that's next. witness katy perry.

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higher. we have a cnn exclusive. what you have learned? >> reporter: alisyn, the experts tell us if you don't have a good grasp on that death toll number, who died, why and how, that could be a missed opportunity to protect people in the future. it's the reason we decided to look into the death toll and what we found, there are several reasons to question the accuracy of the death toll. >> these are the images they would rather remember, the ones capturing jose sanchez joking with his family. but there's another image his daughter cannot stop thinking of. the moment she opened the door and found him on the ground. she says if maria had not passed straight through here, she believes he would still be alive

today. he had a heart attack in february but the family says he recovered, boarded up windows himself the day before the storm. just minutes before maria made landfall he tells us her father complained of breathing complications. when her uncle called 911, he says help was not available in the interior part of the island. >> nobody from the government has come to ask questions about the cause or the situation surrounding his death. >> over the same month last year, the number of deaths in puerto rico increased by 472, and the government is reporting 55 people died at the hands of hurricane maria. >> it's accurate based on the factual information we received, yes. >> it appears, for whatever

reason, the death toll has been higher than what has been reported. news outlets have raised numbers about the accuracy of the numbers. cnn called 279 funeral homes. we were only able to reach about half of them. we asked how many of the deaths were believed to be relate to maria despite the official death toll, they claim 499 hurricane-related deaths in the month after the storm. that's nine times the government's numbers. >> why the gap? >> because that's what i said before, i work on factual. i can't work on i believe. >> we described one case. >> the gentlemen is at home and has a stroke and the person with him calls 911, and 911 says we can't get to him in time because 150-mile-per-hour winds are pounding us right tphoeu, and is that a hurricane death?

>> absolutely. >> allow me to introduce you to jose. that was his case. >> a case not included in puerto rico's death toll. the discrepancy begins here, and the cases marked natural is not supposed to go to forensics, and if it doesn't go to forensics there's no way to investigate it. >> will they be obligated to do it by law? no. i submit there's a moral and ethic spopb ethic responsibility to do that. that's not the only issue, he admits he needs people to flag cases, too. >> and you are the first person, the first media outlet, and i

will say it publicly, that brings in information to verify. >> is that your job or the media's job? he tells us he will investigate the multiple stories cnn brought to his investigation. >> why haven't they called the funeral homes one by one. >> funeral homes to begin with are not the person to tell us what somebody did or didn't die of. >> he said families should be notifying the government.

they were married when she was 20. families trying to make sense of a tragedy and death toll. >> according to forensics after hurricane maria they sent people to funeral homes and cemeteries and hospitals to look into suspicious cases, and those were false claims and called rumors, and the secretary said we were the first to bring him cases. an update since last night, all funeral homes on the island were to be forwarding information about possible hurricane-related deaths to them. >> and it also shows a

disconnect in some of the bureaucratic problems in that territory. he said funeral homes are not ones to tell us about the death. you worked hard on this with your team and the reporting matters and the reality matters even more. thank you for this. >> you bet. >> all right. he has survived cancer and now he hit the shot of a lifetime. a special prize for a sixers super fan. wait until you see this. [vo] quickbooks introduces rodney.

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boston celtics extend their winning streak to 16 in a row, but it was not easy. >> those celtics lost their star player and the first two games of the season but now proving they have the talent and want-to to be great this season. the mavs, irving was not going to let this one get away. the celtics would force it into overtime and capture the 110 to 102 victory in their 16th straight win. irving had 47 points, and he was clutch. celtics roll 16-2. good stuff, sports edition. 17-year-old high school student, mike shelly, stole the show. he had a layup and free throw

and this half-court shot in philly, bam. saturday, he wins 76 chick-fil-a gift cards and everybody at the game got a biscuit, and thanks to the sixers and chick-fil-a, mike will fly in to watch them play. can you hit that shot, by the way. >> never in a million years. >> don't be like that. i know you can. i know you can. happy thanksgiving if i don't see you. we are thankful for you, my friend, even though you are so handsome. >> thanks. we are following a lot of news. let's get after it. the trump administration ends the protected