future. president putin set up the call to brief president trump as a new effort to end the syrian war. it left close to a half million people dead and it comes after this picture that might sum up what you need to know about how little of a say the united states will have using chemical weapons and a leader who has putin to thank for his very survival. talks will take place tomorrow in sochi, but no american representative will be there despite exhaustive efforts by diplomats aimed at halting the fighting. the presidents of iran and turkey will take part. michelle is here from the state department. we are waiting for a read and trying to get more details from the perspective of the white house and the kremlin. this has to be somewhat of a

blow to the administration. >> this is how it has been going and they have been leading the coalition against isis. that's a big part of this. all of these pieces will have to fit together. the question mark as you astutely put out there is that of course vladimir putin wants to be the leader and exert his influence as much as possible. it has been a question mark, how much influence does he really have over bashar al-assad. the russians have been wanting to get out of this. when we talk to allies involved in the situation, this has been difficult for russia. it has been longer than they expected and more difficult and way more expensive than they expected. they want this to come to an end too. they have been thes making overtures to the u.s. and allies to try to forge that solution.

there was a limited ceasefire and lots of skepticism and questions how can the united states ever trust russia when it comes to syria. in the end it was seen as a small development towards some cooperation and a sign that russia is serious about this coming to an end. russia just sat down and vladimir putin had a face-to-face with bashar al-assad and the phone call we will see what comes out of this and what the u.s.'s role is going to be. >> of course at the state department, we get any insights from the kremlin and the white house, what was discussed with details or agreements or disagreements. with us in the studio to share the reporting and insights, jackie from the daily beast. nice to have you here. bloomberg and jaum mcformic and abby philipp.

any time this president speaks to president putin, washington goes into can they have a functioning relationship and the election meddling. this is a test. can the two leader who is have tensions and the president under pressure from members of his own party to be tougher with putin on certain issues, is this proof they can have conversations and do business on some of the most attractive problems or vladimir putin is trying to do an end with the united states around syria. >> it depends on the continues. the political solution to the syrian problem is one that this administration has been interested in. at the same time russia has been on the wrong side of the conflict from our perspective. it's an opportunity. there is dialogue and the fact that putin said immediately that he would need to brief the united states on his meeting with bashar al-assad is important. we still haven't heard.

the call ended about 11:00. the white house sources told us. it has been quite a while and we haven't gotten the read out yet. they have to figure out what will come out of it on both sides. >> it's very important point to putin who wants to be seen as the player when it am cans to syria in the middle east. putin had the meeting and he said i will call other world leaders and the question is, is this one where the america first foreign policy said you handled this? you have been involved in syria forever? look at that picture and pop it up if we have it in the control room. putin hugging assad. if russia wants to broker a political settlement, but that leaves assad in power and keeps russia in other installations there. >> this is catch 22 that they are dealing with. they don't want assad in power and they made it clear, but how far are they willing to go to

remove him. the top priority of the administration is fighting the islamic state and isis in the region. how many resources do they want to put in there on the campaign on the america first foreign policy. let's do less around the world and that has power with voters here. they don't want to be more involved in reasons in the mideast. they call shots. rather than maybe some of the human rights abuses we talked about. >> it will be interesting to see if the administration pushes back on the propaganda and they are the ones who took the fight to russia. they were not bombing the capital, but about protecting assad. it was the u.s. and u.s. allies

and i thank the administration for that going unchallenged and something they should not do and set the record straight. >> getting a read out will be fascinating. nikki haley's presentation to the security council. this president talked about pulling back from a military intervention in the world who launched the missile strikes on syria after the use of chemical weapons. the president's own powerful statements and how he was seeing pictures of the children and nikki haley made clear that russia is an equal player in the use of those chemical weapons. the question is and the world is a messy place. sometimes you have to put aside what happened in the past temporarily to have a transaction that makes tomorrow and next week a little better. does this administration see a way to be involved or is this a sham? >> nicky haily is also saying that the united states doesn't see a future, a peaceful future

for syria with assad in power. that hug between vladimir putin and assange intricadicates they not preparing for him to move aside. that's a personable friendship. the united states has to figure out where they stand on the issue. do they think there is a future with assad remaining in power and if they don't, is that something that is negotiable and is russia willing to put that on the table? >> who in the white house? there is the america first faction which most of them are political advisers who write his speeches and things like that and the foreign policy folks, tillerson, mattis and john kelly who have a more complex view of the world and the need for the united states to occasionally engage. >> you have seen in the past, secretary tillerson meeting and trying to revive the geneva process that has been frustrating and unsuccessful.

during the obama administration and much of the trump administration tolerates them staying in power. the process has not worked because they said assad must go. let's figure out the time table and the russians show up and say no, assad will stay. is there any indication? i take this as an effort for saying we are starting our process and not going back to the old way. >> i think assad is in a strong position. russia is showing the willingness to get involved and i don't think there is anything we can really do. i don't think they are going to do anything to push him out of power. obviously for the last six years, he has seen nonintervention has their own price to pay. the 500,000 civilians. could we have stopped that? possibly. americans soured on interventionism and we are seeing both sides. >> this is a continuation of the obama policy in syria.

it's not that different. >> if there is an iraq style catastrop catastrophe, they want nothing to do with it. >> you mentioned the obama policy. the last u.s. president lost his leverage he might have had. this is a difficult issue for any president. he lost them after he draw a red line and would not enforce it. that was one of the criticisms. he tried to put it on congress. another prethanksgiving foreign policy issue for the president, he teased yesterday and we were expecting details of what it means. listen to the president talking about putting north korea back on the list of state sponsors of terrorism. >> the treasury department will be announcing an additional sanction and a very large on north korea. this will be going on over the next two weeks. it will be the highest level of sanctions by the time it's finished. the north korean regime must be lawful. it must end its unlawful nuclear

missile development and cease all support for international terrorism, which it is not doing. >> largely symbolic and i don't say that to be critical in the sensz there were so many sanctions on north korea. this is part of what the president himself calls a maximum pressure campaign. he is doing this in part to shame north korea and in part to remind china you made promises to me on my asia trip and i hope you help more aggressively. it may seem unconnected to syria, but it's connected to putin. between the russians and north korea. did that come up in the phone call? we are waiting. >> it's unclear because to your point, we don't know how much more sanctions can be imposed to a detrimental effect to change north korea's actions. about $3 billion, they are the

most isolated in the world. how much can they do? president trump is being praised by a number of members of congress including republican senators for this action. there is a political benefit, but how far it goes, i don't know. >> the administration acknowledged the nature of the move. rex tillerson saying yesterday that this is about the signal and it's one in the region that they appreciate. george w. bush took north korea off the list. this was extremely controversial and they didn't get anything for it. they thought they were going to get more cooperation from the regime by pairing back nuclear ambitions and what we have seen is the opposite. it may very well be that the result is very little, but it's hard to see that there will be any detrimental effect putting them back on the list. a lot of people thought they belonged anyway.

>> prove this president doesn't believe it. they tried that to see will we get more conciliatory behavior and this president even though there are back channel negotiations, we are in the longest stretch without a missile test. i can't answer the questions, but we are in the longest stretch of the administration without a test. i want to stop the conversation to go to the pentagon. a sad development with one of the four u.s. soldiers killed last month. we are told additional remains belonging to la david johnson have been found and recovered by the u.s. teams that travelled to the region to investigate the ambush. barbara star joins us now. a very sad story. >> very sad and very difficult and the military fulfilling the solemn obligation to inform his widow and brief her yesterday that these additional remains were discovered. we are told they were bone fragments. what we don't know is how this

fits into the overall picture. as you recall, la david johnson, 25 years old, his body was not discovered for 48 hours after the ambush. there have been many, many questions about how he died, what happened to him, where was his body, how was that body recovered? we don't know if these bone fragments will provide additional clues, but we are told that the fragments were recovered where his body was found. where his body was recovered in the words of the pentagon and it happened when military investigators accompanied by fbi agents went to this area of niger early in november to collect evidence conducted an investigation and that investigation continues. they hope to have some conclusion early next year. but this is becoming a complex issue about what happened to this team and how they got

ambushed. a team of 12 army soldiers ambushed by 50 isis militants. john? >> sad news and our thoughts and prayers are with the family. as sad as this is, we hope it helps with the investigation. thank you very much for that reporting. they came to the united states after a deadly earthquake and the trump administration said nearly 60,000 haitians may have to go back to a country where most no longer have homes. guess what? you could apply for a medicare supplement insurance plan whenever you want. no enrollment window. no waiting to apply. that means now may be a great time to shop for an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. medicare doesn't cover everything. and like all standardized medicare supplement insurance plans, these help cover some of what medicare doesn't pay. so don't wait. call now to request your free decision guide. it could help you find the aarp medicare supplement plan that works for you.

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signalled it was coming months ago. >> with haiti, the earthquake that took place seven years ago. it's not meant to be forever. unless congress changes the law and the message is by definition, tps is temporary. they should start thinking now about what will happen in the not too distant future. >> what do you make of this and we see a lot of criticism saying this is not fair or mu main or the decent thing to do. we told you in june we were going to do this. if you wanted to create permanent status and pass a law. >> he takes the view that kelly views this as not kicking haitians out, but forcing congress to do their job which is to actually set immigration law.

a couple weeks ago the white house had status of other immigrants who have gone to the staff of this category. it's something they want to resolve. they want to bring an end to this interminal status of these immigrants. groups have been here for 20 years or longer. almost de facto. this administration wants that to not be the case. there are strong voices speaking out on principal that was supposed to be temporary. one of those is jeff sessions. >> jeff sessions, the attorney general. john kelly is the white house chief of staff. steven miller, a key ally on these issues. you mentioned these countries. let's put up a map. there is temporary status from people from these countries terminated nicaragua and now haiti by this administration.

they can make a fair point that they pretty much have been clear. it's called tps, do your job, congress. the democrats will say be humane, mr. president. >> it's not that simple. haitians had children here since they were granted status. what do do you with the children? leave them with relatives or take them back to a country where there is no jobs that they don't know with no food or housing? there are a lot of details here. we haven't seen the answers to this questions. that's where humanity has to kick in. there has to be a plan rather than putting someone on a plane to go back to somewhere where they may not be taken care of. >> can there be a conversation with nancy pelosi and criticizing this, but it's not just democrats. republicans are too. i traveled to haiti after the

earthquake and after hurricane matthew in 2016 and i can attest that haiti is not prepared to take back the recipients under difficult and harsh conditions. marco rubio, republican called for are you newall. >> it hasn't for a long time. attempts over the last decade and a half keep failing because you can't bridge the divide on what to do with 11 million people. if it was just about this issue, i think they could come together. this issue of haiti, the humanitarian problem and american citizen children of the people here now. the other question is where do they go? this fits the trump administration's attack on immigration. they are ending daca without an end game in sight. telling congress to deal with it. they ramp up deportation on president obama's policy of not

going after low level offenses. this is certainly what president trump campaigned on. >> you mentioned daca and a lot of people who see this move to end immigration status for two people and they know about the conversations of the dreamers. the daca and the dreamers set to expire. the president said he is open to a compromise. he said they should be allowed to stay, but after the initial conversation with shuk schumer and nancy pelosi, he had a tougher stance since then. he saidy need something in exchange. the democratic senator from maryland who sees the action on haiti and worries about the dreamers. >> they really don't know their native country any longer. these are people who have been fully integrated into america. whether they are haitians or dreamers, the president is putting uncertainty into their lives and i hope congress takes advantage of this opportunity

and we pass comprehensive reform or at least reform that protects those that are the dreamers and here on temporary status. >> i think the oughts of comprehensive immigration reform as defined by democrats are zero or less than zero. there are conversations about protecting the dreamers and there has been a snag there. they want to do it in the funding bill and most have to vote yes. there is enough people to vote yes and it gets to the president. conservatives said no way, we are not going to do that. if we are going to do this and most ever open to doing it, they came through no fault of their own, most conservatives say we are happy to do this, but tougher quotas on immigration and different principals on this. can that happen in this environment? for 2018. >> the one good thing about the haiti issue is it is put off until 2019 and that gives time. if there is a daca compromise, you can see it getting rolled in. it calls for greater reporting

and the community and for daca, i don't know how it's going to shake out. the pressure keeps on building and building with congress. i don't know how it will end ultimately. >> a lot depends on what happens with taxes. they are ready to give anything on immigration if they can't either get tougher enforcement of border wall or something else like taxes. if they are able to pass tax reform, it makes the path for compromise on other issues much more plausible. until then, many of these members are going home to their districts and back to their donors who are saying to them, you better not come home without something for the base. that's kind of what they are dealing with. >> the closer we get to 2018, the less it's done. >> which congressional republican will vote for illegal status? i say republicans are granting status. believe it when you see it.

it's easy to talk about. speaker boehner said this over and over again, promising i will do something and they couldn't bring themselves to do it. the forces against it. >> what does it tell us about inside the trump white house? when steve bannon left, there were a lot of concerns and steve bannon's allies were going to take over. jared kushner and ivanka and the manhattan liberals and the conservative view for immigration reform and for citizenship. instead you see john kelly who has tough views on immigration. i want to read you a quote from kellyanne conway in october. we had a running joke. if we got key man's insurance, steven would be on the list. referring to tell uss taking out of their most important employees. when steve bannon leaves, the white house is going to drift left, were they wrong?

>> we haven't seen the change of policy. it am cans down to president trump and even if he swayed in the direction of doing a compromise by some people around him and there are people who want to do that, he will get another voice saying mr. president, your base hate this is. >> you make a key point. your base. close to 2018, the word base tips the scales more in every decision you make. we will be back in a moment, but as we go to break, we discuss the work that the two leaders spoke for over an hour. they discussed a range of issues in ukraine, north korea and the question and issue of terrorism. more on that as we get new information. another study claims the tax cut is actually a tax hike for millions of americans down the road. that could complicate the fight to get 50 votes in the senate.

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>> we are going to give the american people a huge tax cut for christmas. hopefully that will be a great big beautiful christmas present. >> that's president trump promising to play santa claus essentially to the american people by next month. the next big test of that promise comes next week in the senate. a new analysis could complicate efforts by the the republican leadership to round up the necessary votes. they said the senate bill could raise taxes on 9% of americans and 12% of americans in 2025 and half of americans in 2027. the main reason is it's under the senate plan that most of the tax cuts that helped lower and middle class americans would

expire. the white house said that's unfair, insisting the bill had to be written this way to fit it into the senate rules. >> a lot of folks are saying well, as written, the plan would increase taxes in years 6, 7, 8, and 9. that's right because hard wired into it is the proposal that the tax reductions expire. that's not our policy. that's the way to try to shoe horn the bill into these arcane rules in the senate. >> as an aside, a beautiful look at the white house in the fall. i love when the trees change colors. it's a beautiful scene. mick mulvaney has a point, but he is saying trust us. nobody outside of washington, not many people trust the politicians. he is saying we have to do that to fit it into the senate rules. of course we will not let them expire. whether donald trump is president at that point or with democrats or republicans, his point is like the bush tax cuts.

the push tax cuts had the same thing happened. they were extended and extended. should the american people buy these? >> i think the american people's trust in congress and washington to get basic things done is so low right now. it's hard for me to see how that argument would be persuasive to them. they have seen this rodeo before with the bush tax cuts. they know what it's like. it's hard then and it's going to be harder now. the yet that it's just a quirk of the rules. they know what the rules are. it's their job to legislate around that. they have chosen not to do it by not making this bill deficit-neutral or making it not be as expensive as it is. for that reason that's where they are. they are taking that all into consideration and decide do i want to take the tax cut now and pay more in five years? >> there is a level of candor where they are honest about the

gimmicks they use to fit a square peg in a round hole. at the end of 2025, a doubling of the standard deduction keeps permanent levels of moving up to new brackets so the middle class gets up to the tax hike of now. they said they won't expire and the deficit is much greater in the long run. you can't have it both ways. you have to go to the floor with the bills you have. it opens them up to attack from 35% down to 20%. >> the american people may be looking at them and scratching their head saying do i focus on the short-term or do i worry that down the road they will come back with a two by four and thump me. there are 52 republican senators. mitch mcconnell can afford to lose two. they said i have questions and reservations here. a good week ahead for the leader. >> it will be tough. that's a great point.

can you say that listen, these are popular taxes on the individual side, but it they expire, the deficit is much worse. the three people i would watch is people like bob corker, flef flake, john mccain. it's more definitely to make that deficit smaller. the easiest way is cutting the rate to 30 or 28% instead of 20%. you lose business. the popular tax cuts will be renewed like the bush tax cuts and take the immediate term. 7 or 9%. when you consider the fact that only 55% of americans are paying income taxes, that's a fairly substantial portion they tend to be clustered in the suburban high cost districts and the place that have republican members of congress when they didn't vote for it. that's a small member of people. lower than the taxes hiked under reagan. not that strong. >> another thing is i can add that trump has a bad

relationship with two big ones. jeff flake and bob corker. they have no reason to throw him a bone. they are both not running for reelection. they don't have to worry about that. he might do well to stop going after them. not saying if he was nice, they would vote for the bill, but it helps to have a good relationship if you need something. he needs it. >> is on the record against the bush tax cuts saying because of the deficit, it may force him to shrink it a little bit. about corker speaking to chuck todd on "meet the press." can they get bob corker to change his mind. yes, there will be economic growth. the deficit will go up. >> if it looks like to me we are adding one penny to the deficit, i am not going to be for it. i'm sorry. it is the greatest threat to our nation. the greatest threat to our nation. >> he said one penny.

the tax policy had a look and said it will add $1 billion or more down the road. is that a loss? is he one of the two? >> i wouldn't be surprised if some of these folks including corker suddenly had amnesia about their deficit hawk past. you have seen it where so many republican members are just saying it doesn't matter anymore. we will see. i think it's going to be -- i think it will be hard for republicans to say no to the tax bill at any cost. >> i asked senator corker about this and senator langeford, another deficit hawk and they say they are willing to accept reasonable levels of growth under this bill. study after study said if you factor in growth, there is a huge deficit. how they square that circle will be a problem. the deficit is shaping up to be the biggest obstacle to this.

that is driving away right now at senator collins and lisa murcowski. they raised serious concerns about this not for the fact that 13 million people are dropping coverage, but other people's premiums would go up. they would be wa will healthy and the rest have to pay more. >> you have a fascinating lobbying campaign because every group has a stake in this fight. you mentioned corker and langeford. a group calls itself businesses for responsible tax reform. citizens for apple pie. and the like. here's a group that if they say the small businesses are not right, here's an ad they are running against corker and langeford saying you better keep your promise and not raise the deficit. >> senator bob corker promised not to increase the deficit, but the senate tax plan would increase the deficit. conservative watch dogs say the plan would increase deficits by

$1.41 trillion. tell senator bob corker to keep his promise and vote no on increasing the deficit. >> it gets back to abby's point. will republicans stand on principal they laid down or will they accept the advice of their leaders they better pass this or they are doomed? >> they can do what they want. corker and flake are retiring and they are not subject to pressure. >> susan collins is popular in mai maine. they mentioned small business. ron johnson is another person on the fence. he might be someone who can be convinced, he he said big corporations are unfairly favored. >> interesting math. we try to pull it together and get a vote next week. quick break. we'll be right back. the souther is helping build the new new york. starting with advanced manufacturing that brings big ideas to life. and cutting-edge transportation development to connect those ideas to the world.

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>> breaking news just in. cbs news fired charlie rose after women stepped forward. the television anchor made unwanted sexual advances towards them. they broke the story detailing how rose preyed on young women and in some cases groped their breast origen tals. they called rose's behavior intolerable. there is absolutely nothing more important in this or any organization than ensuring a safe professional workplace and a supportive environment where people feel they can do their best work. we need to be such a place. >> commendable watching the

program this morning where his two cohosts really just put it out there. their own feelings of knowing this person and also feeling horrible about the allegations against them. they are just responding as everybody is realizing that they have to. you have to address it head on and not be afraid to take swift action as they did today. >> they had a heart felt emotional reaction as they know off air. how he is treating subordinates. it's unacceptable and they made the right decision. >> women are coming forward in a way we have never seen before and men are being forced to take accountability for past actions. it's a huge deal. >> do we have the sound byte? let's listen to this. >> this i know is true.

women cannot achieve equality in the workplace or society until there is a reckoning and a taking of responsibility. >> i'm really struggling because how do you -- what do you say when someone you deeply care about has done something that is so horrible? >> it was a very powerful statement by both. two distinguished journalists in their own right. >> it shows this is a problem across many industries and media and hollywood. it seems like there is more accountability than there has been in politics. roy moore is running and dug in. we will get to john later and allegations about the sexual harassment there. we don't know if he will step down, but a lot of people are in politics where people are getting what they deserve in other industries. >> the buzz feed report quoteing for do you means they obtained

about the process of understandable criticism. they are paid by the taxpayers. if you are anybody filing a complaint, not just a woman, but you have to sign a confidentiality agreement to be part of the process. to make your complaint, you have to sign a complaint. buzz feed with the story about an allegation of john coniers with offensive conduct with a staffer. one of the attorneys helped work on the case and designed a cover up. they were betrayed for coming forward. it's an excellent point. to lodge a complaint, you should not be sworn off like this. speaker ryan issuing a statement about this report. it is extremely troubling and examining the issue led to mandatory training. that from the speaker. so congress also getting called in, you mentioned the politician somehow. we don't get to the

accountability question this quickly. >> he's offices operate and they don't have the workplace protections that most other -- it's all designed to protect them and maybe it's time to stop them and empower the staffers that toil so hard for the members and give them protections that they do not have which their counter parts do. >> the goals are really rough on victims. they seem to be designed to protect the perpetrate onnors and not the victims. you have to jump through hoops and you are pressured to settle and if you decide to move forward, there is a 30-day cooling off president. what is that about? that the victims are too emotional to think clearly about this? it's bizarre. mandatory training is one step. >> this policy has been in place for decades. we are just learn being it now. if you are innocent, i think any republican or democrat should

want this to be public and want people exposed. there is a cloud of suspicion. is my congress one of them? >> we can't lose sight of the fact that this is taxpayer money being paid out in a secretive way. i can't see how that continues. this is your money. nobody know what is the real process is behind it. >> i want to bring this from the associated press. he has not settled any complaints with staff members according to the associated press. he answered the door and said he knows nothing about claims of inappropriate touching and learned of the story hours earlier. we will continue to track this story as well and we'll be right back.

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>> we know president trump will spare their lives and you are going to make me do this. pressure cooking. they could have done better with the man about to decide their fate. they booked a room at the willard instead of the trump hotel. take it away. i have done everything i can. >> so little time. i will say that they should be more thankful with the president. this is not bad. the king of stage dad. of. >> his son was thankful and he apologized and he was heart felt and he thanked the president and his attention seeking father jumped in and of course president trump can't resist. >> let's come back to the actual history of pardoning turkeys. this goes back to the 70th annual and this is president trump's first. let's touch base with president obama's rather corny last.

>> for the past seven years, i have established another tradition. embarrassing my daughters with a corny copia of dad jokes about turkeys. no way i am cutting this habit cold turkey. i want to take a moment to recognize the brave turkeys who weren't so lucky and didn't get to ride the gravy train to freedom who med their fate with courage and sacrifice and proved they were not chicken. it's not that bad. . >> that was pretty bad. it will be interesting to talk about president trump. >> what barron trump does and sasha and malia for many years were mortified by the whole exercise. the kids are the most fun to watch. >> the kids always gobble up all

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>> i'm jim chuto for wolf blitzer. wherever you are watching from, thanks for joining us. >> triangle of tension. one interfered in america's election and the other called a butcher by president trump. today the president and vladimir putin speak with syria's bashar al-assad. a grim discovery in the search for answers into the deadly ambush of u.s. soldiers in niger. more of sergeant la david johnson's remains have been found raising hard questions about his final moments there. a cabinet under fire. secretary of state rex tillerson openly accused of breaking a