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president trump owns several republicans in the senate. >> the president gets frustrated. >> the president aggravated he is not getting credit for his accomplishments and still annoyed with jeff sessions. >> the white house is considering a plan to replace tillerson. >> do you want rex tillerson on the job, mr. president. >> rex is here. >> it's clear he's not getting the support from the white house. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> good morning. welcome to your "new day." alisyn is off and erica here
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helping us through the friday. >> happy to be here. >> the tax bill hit a trillion-dollar snag. what is now clear to several republicans is this plan is not what was promised. it's not going to pay for itself and doesn't look like in its current configuration it will reduce the deficit. those were the big problems from the trump administration. >> the president's frustration with senators may be about more than just taxes. "the new york times" reporting president trump may have the senate committee to end its russia investigation. let's go to suzanne malveaux on capitol hill. >> reporter: president trump tweeting about this make or break moment for his administration and republicans trying to get some sort of legislative achievement here. they have a $1 trillion problem and that's how to pay for the tax cut plan.
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republicans jockeying what to keep in and take out and whether or not they have those votes. >> we are on the cusp of a great victory for the country. >> the battle of the tax bill hitting a snag, and corker withholding his vote thursday after a new report by the joint committee on taxation estimates the bill would increase the deficit by $1 trillion over ten years, and would not produce enough revenue to offset the cost of the plan. corker demanding a trigger to automatically raise taxes if the bill fails to generate as much economic growth as promised, but the senate rule keeper declaring such a proposal would not be allowed as written. a showdown unfolding on the senate floor, as they huddled around holdouts, jeff flake, corker and ron johnson. >> i submitted an amendment that said send the bill back to the finance committee and have them report back a deficit neutral
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bill, a bill that doesn't blow a hole in the deficit. >> republicans now scrambling to appease deficit hawks. lindsay graham acknowledging corker's concerns are real but adding failure is not an option, as senate majority leader mitch mcconnell can only afford to lose two republican votes, this as senator elizabeth warren to demanding to see the treasury department's economic analysis after steve mnuchin promised the american people this. >> we think this tax plan will cut down the deficits by a trillion dollars, and that's a large number. >> the treasury's inspector general launching a probe after receiving this letter from warren, questioning whether mnuchin is misleading the public. >> it's almost criminal. it's a lethal attack on the middle class. >> democrats continue to hammer
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the gop tax plan asserting the bill will hurt lower-income americans while benefiting the wealthy, and it's predicted those earning less than 30,000 will be worse off by 2019, and those less than 75,000 worse off by 2027. removing the obama insurance mandate would also result in 13 million having no insurance in the next decade. >> reporter: senate majority leader mitch mcconnell says the bill will resume this morning. also raising the corporate tax rate above the 20% after several years, it's far from certain whether or not that is going to satisfy enough lawmakers to push
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this through, chris. >> thank you very much. once again, we are seeing the president getting in his way a little bit here with his own goal. he wants a win with taxes, so does the gop, but what he has promised is getting in the way. is this really set up to help the middle class? we don't know. and another story, "the new york times" is reporting the president pressed top senate republicans to end their russia investigation last summer. joining us on the phone, cnn political analyst, co-author of the "new york times" report. maggie, always good to hear your voice. >> thanks for having me. >> what do we now know? >> we know over the summer -- we were already aware where he started railing mitch mcconnell did not do enough to protect him from the senate probe, and since the president called the
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chairman of the senate intelligence committee and suggested that this ought to be brought to a close quickly. he had a similar conversation with roy blunt aboard air force one, and according to our sources he made other calls to senators where he suggested the same thing, other republicans. these calls were met with alarm even who republicans received them or knew of them downplayed them, and essentially he called on something else, and i did not quite feel pressured but he did bring it up. his aides will say it's no different than what he says publicly, but, chris, as you know, the sense of pressure and propriety as somebody that could end up being, if not a focus himself, have his relatives at stake in this is questionable. this is a norm for him not to reach out to people on the senate side, it's not a law but it's not a norm we have seen somebody break like this before.
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>> the idea that he doesn't know what you are supposed to do and not do as president bea lies a lifetime. where do you see this as moving it towards style and substance as to what could be a factor in this investigation? >> i think it's too soon to say and we will possibly know more on that later, and a lot of it will depend on what the senators tell each other or the investigators about receiving these calls, and i think it's hard for the president certainly at this stage of the presidency let alone his life of 71 years to suggest that he was unaware of that fact that you can't do that. i don't think that he's not aware of it, i think he doesn't care, he's impervious of the structures that apply to these kinds of situations, and the impact remains to be seen. again, it could be read as
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trying to impact an investigation, and trying to impact the people conducting it. whether they will say that is another question. >> maggie haberman, thank you very much. i wish you a good weekend. >> thank you, sir. you, too. >> let's discuss that with jeffrey cubin, and chris cillizza. it's not that the president is unaware, it's that he doesn't care, he does things his way. we know that. as we are seeing him do things his way, too, we also heard him say how the president is speaking out on things, telling people reportedly in his golf courses, i'm totally innocent and there's nothing to see here. you get to a point and sometimes i feel like a broken record but you get to a point, chris cillizza, yes, it's detracting from what he, himself, wants to accomplish.
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>> yes, and i think it's important, erica, to remember that he's often blundering into these things when it has to do with russia. let's keep -- he does a fair amount of that anyway, but it often has to do with russia. the examples you mentioned and the example erica reported on, and these are things that are not -- well, i defer to jeff as to whether or not they are technically legal or illegal, and i would say they are in the gray area that donald trump likes to operate in, but they all seem to have to do with the russia investigation, and at that point i don't think that donald trump gets the benefit of the doubt here. i don't think the explanation of, he just doesn't know what he's doing really kind of flies. he's the president of the united states. if he did not know what he was doing when he was elected in terms of this stuff, it's up to him and the people around him to say you can't call these people and ask them to do these things
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you are doing. it's inappropriate even if it's not illegal. maybe they have done it and he doesn't listen, but the result is the same. he continues to do this stuff specifically around the issue of russia. >> this is ordinarily the point where you would say you have to get inside his head to understand why he's saying what he's saying, but you can't do that so be quiet mr. reporter. not here. half of my life i have watched donald trump be very effective in different ways, and be people in my family, and he knows what he's doing. this is not the idea that it's about his ignorance, but it's about his inclinations. for all of this going on with the democrats, so what that he calls members of congress and says, i hate this, there's nothing there, you are in my party, don't let them kill me this way. at the end of the day, that's not a crime. >> let's draw some distinctions
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here. when he goes up to people at his golf course and says this is a bunch of nonsense -- >> first amendment right. knock yourself out. >> not even close to any sort of criminal activity. if you are the boss of the fbi, as the president is, and you fire the head of the fbi for the sole and exclusive reason to stop an investigation of you, that is potentially a crime. >> maybe, maybe not. >> well, maybe, maybe not. richard nixon was the -- the articles of impeachment dealt with the abuse of the fbi. >> that's a political action and not a legal action. impeachment is about votes. they do high crimes and misdemeanors -- i am talking about mueller. >> it's legally questionable that that whole chapter of that. now, what about talking to senators of your party about the political problems? certainly expressing general
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indig nation about the investigation, there's certainly nothing wrong with that. however the president has leverage over his members of the senate. i won't appoint your judge in your state -- that's what i am saying. >> jeffrey, you have to remember, he's smart. the idea of leverage has to be something like bribery, you are going to do that in this investigation or -- and we don't have that. >> that's why facts matter. you can't say categorically that these connections centers about the russia investigation are appropriate or clearly inappropriate or illegal because you have to dig into the facts and see what was really said. >> i want to pick up on that for a second. we believe facts come first. >> i don't like when he uses the hash tag against me. >> i digress.
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as we are looking to at just where we stand in this week and the distractions and the things we are learning about the president, there's a retweet of these horrific anti-muslim videos that we know about. what was striking this morning, the wall street tunnel editorial page, and i'm quoting, mr. trump's battle by quote fake news is driven by his belief that he ain't getting sufficient credit for his achievements, such as his tax bill. we would advice mr. trump to reign himself in for the sake of his own presidency but by now we know that's hopeless. strong words there, but chris cillizza, in terms of reigning himself in goes back to the first point, the president probably doesn't think he needs to be reigns in. >> there's a 0% chance he will
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reign himself in. i feel strongly about that one, and it's to chris cuomo's point. anybody that has followed trump's life in new york city and then nationally knows that this is him. what you are seeing is him, the unpredictability and arat eubgness, and the wildness and the willing to thumb your nose at wisdom. he operates that way always. he always has. the idea that donald trump pushed he would be so presidential once he won the nomination or won presidency, we would all be bored, and that has been proven to not be true. that's true of the russia investigation, and his continuing to bring up hillary clinton's e-mails, and the inauguration crowd size and the
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tax bill and the boasting of a health care, and it's across everything, things large and things small. diplomacy, this is the best thing china has ever done, this state dinner with me. it's everywhere. it's pervasive and who he is. >> i want to offer an alternative high idea. the president does get us to talk about stuff, and we are not talking about the income wealth transfer from the middle class to the wealthy. this tax bill is not popular. >> which is very unusual. >> it's very unusual. i know the president thinks it's going to be a big accomplishment, and maybe there's more method to his madness than we give him credit
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for. talking about steinle. >> it's how do you discuss what the president does. sometimes it's a good misdirection. he's arguably one of the best at playing the media. but when you distract us you distract your own people as well and they are not set up to deal with these kinds of situations, and you get sanders that developed the stone-faced version of what we saw with her predecessor, in which she says things nobody can believe that she believes. it creates problems. >> it created problems for us as journalist. do we cover the tweet of the day? is that the most important news? when the president says something historically it has been news. >> more often than not he is talking about what matters. my twitter thread reads as the fabric of truth on this. it's about 65/35, 35% all about
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what the president said, you are wrong to question it, all you do -- and 65 is why are you being distracted by this. >> i would say 65/35. >> presidential approval. >> his challenge was to deliver for the middle class, and these are his people, and will he get it done? we will see. >> we will have to leave that there. president trump claiming the gop's senate tax plan will cost him a fortune. we are going to put that to the test, next. let our your inner child at the lexus december to remember sales event. lease the 2017 rx 350 for $399/month for 36 months. experience amazing at your lexus dealer. let's get the lady of the house back on her feet. and help her feel more strength and energy in just two weeks. yaaay! the complete balanced nutrition of ensure with 9 grams of protein and 26 vitamins and minerals. ensure. always be you.
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time for cnn facts first, president trump claim the republican tax plan is going to cost him a fortune. that's not true. the president suggested rich people like him will suffer, but it's more likely the plan will benefit president trump and his family and do so in several ways. ending the alternative minimum tax while the removal of state and local tax deductions will hurt a new yorker like the president, his real gift is going to be the amt, it's designed to kick in whenever somebody is paying too little in taxes under the regular tax code, the only tax return we have from the president is 2005 and that year he got hit with 31 million in amt because he claimed a huge operating loss
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and carried it forward over year to year. it's all completely legal it's why he himself has criticized the tax code of having too many loopholes and ending that will benefit him big time. and then corporate shells, like pass throughs, llcs, you know what these are. the plan cuts the tax rate on those types of entities, so trump will stand to gain. then weakening the estate taxes. the house version matches the present but calls for an all-out repeal of the estate tax by 2024. both bills keep the steppup rule allowing them to step up the cost after the death of a
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family, meaning they have less gain and less taxes to pay on. another tough fact. this plan is what it is. you look at the numbers. it's not about spin. we can't be sure how the president is going to be affected. why? because unlike any other president since nixon he has not released any tax returns, and right now it appears that decision, as we suspect, you know, is to hide from unfavorable facts. that's what we know. that's what we know about the plan. let's discuss. joining us is republican congressman, rhonda san tuesday of florida. >> good morning, chris. >> you heard what we laid out about the president. do we have it right or wrong? >> it's hard to know because he has complicated financial arrangements. it's good for the president and it's also good for our economy,
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and the fact to me that it's good for him is not a reason to vote against him. if it was good for him or bad for him, but bad for the country, then just the fact that people may want to see people get socked with more taxes that wouldn't be a reason to vote against it. what i am trying to focus on is what are we doing to make sure we keep and retain capital here in the united states, we have a global economy and the business structure is not competitive, and we have trillions of dollars we would like to see coming back into the united states, and if by doing that allows us to grow more and wages to increase and jobs to be created, the fact that trump may be getting a tax cut to me is not a reason to vote against the plan. >> it's about the fact that based on the projections that they have -- again, this is an under analyzed bill because it's being rushed through the
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reconciliation window. they are fighting over the fact that it adds to the deficit and debt in a way that is unacceptable to members of your party, and it does not appear to be set up to advantage the middle class more than the upper class, and that was the promise of the plan. those are the problems, not repatriation. >> even the more static analysis says you will probably get more economic growth, so it will be about $500 billion and that's on the conservative side and some conservatives think you may get more than an increased economic pie, and some think some will be in the tax code that end up getting scored that way, and that doesn't get scored because they are not permanent right now, and i would suggest members of our party that crow about government wasting money and big government, why don't we get a
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together and figure out a way to cut down the spending. i have a concern about the deficit, too, but some of those folks vote for big spending increases, and that's part of the issue, too, chris, it's not just the tax side. you can't just project uninterrupted spending increases as a republican and say we are fine with that. we are supposed to be the party that wants to streamline government. >> it's not an either/or, it could be both. argue about spending, those are political choices, but on this one, why didn't you design the tax cut to benefit the middle class and put the burden on people like me who are in the top tier. >> if you look at people between $50,000 and $100,000 in my district, they will see a tax cut on the individual side. >> maybe. and only early on, based on all the projections we have.
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>> the house bill, the individual stuff was permanent. the senate is not in terms of ten years. i think those will get extended. a lot of that is playing with the cbo. you do have reductions in the heart of the middle class, and you have a much simpler tax code now so it saves people time and money and effort if they can fill out their taxes on a postcard instead of having to keep records and hire accountsants and do all that, and the businesses, it's more far reaching on the business side than on the individual side. i believe that that will -- provide incentives for companies to stay here and companies to bring jobs back to the united states, and most economists say if our corporate tax rate is more competitive in the 20%, yeah, some of that will go to profit shareholders, and i think that's a good thing as well. >> the ratio is not great, so if you want to benefit businesses
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and hope they pass it along, you can. but to say that's a one for one in terms of helping the middle class just doesn't bear out in economics or our own political history. >> let me ask you, if a business reincorporates and inverts overseas, how does that help the middle class? >> i have heard that argument, and if they leave but pay taxes here, that's fine. but that's not the situation. the situation is about how do you tax the companies in a way that will create more wealth for the middle class and we don't see a one to one on that economically or in our political history. >> we are competing against other countries that have dramatically lower business taxes, the president and the congress are working to streamline the regulation costs that also contribute to some of this. that's just the reality, chris. we can sit here and say one to one or not, but the fact is we are at a competitive environment and i want to be on the cutting
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edge rather than disincentivizing people. >> fine, and one of the mistakes early on was you should just say that, and it's not you, i'm talking about your president, the head of your party, and he said this was about the middle class and that was a mistake, and you get rid of the individual mandate and it's not about the middle class. >> chris, the individual mandate taxes blue collar workers, if they do not have the money to afford some of the plans which is not good for them, then the government taxes them. >> it's deceptive reasoning, though. here's why -- >> they can still get -- obamacare is still there. it's their choice. >> you get rid of the mandate you get rid of the subsidy money where you need it, and that's where you get the 13 million people losing it. >> it's not the tax bill. people are going to choose if
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they don't want subsidized plans because it's not good for them, and that's not taking anything away from anybody, and that's their choice. >> if the mandate is not there people will not have to deal with paying that or having a plan and they will probably with draw from the plans, probably the young healthy people and that will raise the premiums on the exact population the president said he would look out for. >> unless not having a mandate penalty allows the young people to buy plans, and so it may provide us a window to allow them to have more cost options. we will have to address that in january. >> you will have to address it because it could create a strain on the emergency system that is going to pass more burden on to taxpayers. that's a separate argument for a separate day. you are always welcome, sir.
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new this morning a justice department spokesperson said federal charges are being considered against the undocumented immigrant in the murder of steinle. congresswoman, i appreciate your time this morning. first, i am curious, your reaction to the verdict and what we are hearing now from the doj spokesperson that federal charges are being considered? >> i was deeply disappointed in the verdict, but i respect the jury system and they probably had a difficult time establishing intent. the fact that the justice department is looking at the options is worthy of our consideration. we are a passionate country. if somebody continues to commit crimes in the country, they don't have a right to stay in the country, and this gentleman
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was convicted five times of manufacturing drugs and possession of drugs in addition to having come back into the country four or five times, and he shouldn't be here. >> we will continue to follow where that goes. i want to shift gears and talk about something you have been talking about quite a lot these days. sexual misconduct allegations in washington, most recently we have been talking about john conyers and where this should go from here. as i understand it, yesterday you did call for his resignation. what changed for you? >> i said from the beginning of the week that i believed the victims, and i think when the staffer who had the settlement broker nondisclosure agreement and went on tv to explain what happened to her, i was convinced that there is a pattern of conduct by representative
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conyers that is really without any fear of contradiction is that of a predator. i think that we cannot stand by as members of congress and say we have zero tolerance and then let somebody continue to conduct himself in the manner that he has for many years with many of his staff. i believe it's time to have him either resign or retire, but he no longer should serve in the congress of the united states. >> a number of your fellow democrats have said the same. we know representative lawrence is not and she was on earlier and i want you to listen to what she had to say. >> mr. conyers, for me, has a period of time to return from the hospital and get healthy enough to make that announcement, or make that decision. we will be moving forward. you will be hearing from me. i will not stand here today
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demanding or not demanding but talking about resignation when we have work to do. >> does her answer surprise you? >> you know, every one of us has the opportunity to speak up on this issue in a manner that we think is appropriate, and i respect congresswoman lawrence's opinion, i just don't agree with it. >> how much of this is a discussion as well? there is bipartisan legislation brought forward and we have heard from your fellow lawmakers on both sides of the aisle, women about what they have dealt with for years, and how much has john conyers been a discussion with you with your republican counterparts over the last week or so? >> it has been remarkably bipartisan, and the legislation that i introduced to reform the office of compliance has strong bipartisan support, and doing training without reforming the office is not doing anything, so we really need to move forward with that. i don't think they have pointed
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out, congressman conyers in particular, because they know there are members within their ranks that are going to be subject to the same kind of scrutiny sooner or later, and i do think that we have to make a very clear statement that we are not going to tolerate this, that we have an obligation to the institution, and that sexual harassment taints the congress of the united states. >> in terms of tainting the congress of the united states, it's tough not to look at. while business may be done differently in washington than in corporate america it's tough not to notice the disparity and the difference in the way the allegations are being dealt with in private business or publicly held companies even versus in washington. what is really going to change in the short term to make sure there is action that is more swift? >> i think that we have the opportunity when these cases come forward to investigate them swiftly. it probably wouldn't be through the ethics committee.
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it would probably be through a different function. we do have the authority to fine members, to sensor them, to republ republic raw meant them. we aren't going to allow this to continue to happen. i can't tell you the number of staffers that have come to me on the floor or in the hallways of the capitol saying we are so grateful. they have been living under this environment for so long and never thought it was going to change, and now they do think it's going to change. >> it's important there is some change, and also, as you point out, that that authority is there. a lot of voters would like to see it used. appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you. a little bit of light would be nice. there's lots of heat, and a little light to see is whether they change the structure for
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trillion-dollar problem with their tax bill. can they compromise and make changes and get it passed? let's invite david axelrod, cnn political commentator. always good to see you. >> good to see you. >> can they get this done? >> well, you say i know the process. i know a mess when i see one. they have a mess on their hands. mcconnell said it's a rubik's cube. they have no room to spare. now the deficit hawks are at war with the radical tax cutters, and reality is setting in and whether they can solve this problem is, i think, an open question. i don't know that they know the answer at this hour. >> fair point. we are also looking closely at the president and his state of mind and where he's at, not
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just, of course, when it comes to the tax plan but his state of mind in general, stewing over rex tillerson, jeff sessions, and we are seeing the retweets strumming up, and how does that all factor in there? what is your take there? >> i don't know it factors into this particular issue. there's desperation of both sides of pennsylvania avenue. every time rumors of mueller and the investigation kicks up, that's the case now with general flynn apparent lly negotiating with the special counsel, and it's been a volatile week. it doesn't affect his base. he's hanging around 30 to 40% -- mid-30s in his popularity, and it doesn't fluctuate much.
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he's not being punished for his behavior politically, but it's certainly a volatile time. >> whether he's upping his game or off his game is a matter of perspective. this morning he is tweeting the tax plan would be fine if it was not for the democratic obstructionist, and at the same time they are complaining about fake news. you discuss this with a man that is very trusted in america, tom hanks. tell us about sitting down with hanks and what he had to say. >> he's such an extraordinary guy, because he's a great actor and a real student of american history and has done a lot of acting and writing about that. he feels very, very passionately about the issue of fake news and the tactics on the administration to kind of undermine the credibility of news outlets. he sees it as a fundamental
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constitutional issue. >> let's play a clip. >> it's monkeying around with our constitution, and it's relatively obvious, i think, as to what he's trying to go for. wouldn't y when you tear down these institutions when you can't believe anything in any of them, and so if you can't believe them, that means you get to believe some of the other stuff in these. what is happening is a duh hraouttion. >> i think his admonition is very, very important. it was a great conversation. i hope people tune in. interesting, interesting guy.
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need this holiday season. >> i played with them when i was little, and i thought they were fun to play with. >> i mean, come on. his grandfather says it's a lesson that zander will never forget. >> it's not something they are going to get in school anymore. good job. >> thank you. >> proud of you. >> it's a lesson we will never forget. thank people that put that beauty and grace into him, and for all the tough stuff that we deal with, there are good people doing good things, even the youngest among us. >> i always love "the good stuff." nice to be part of it today. >> we have a new member of the "new day" family, or editorial producer, mike and his fiance welcomed a baby girl on sunday. alice jane, 6 pounds, 13 ounces.
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