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the tax cuts and jobs act as amended is passed. >> it's something that will literally helps millions of millions of young people in our society. >> here's the bill as it's written. here's the modification that are in it. can read one word. it's called add this language. can you tell me what that word is? >> flynn pled guilty to repeatedly lying to the fbi. >> this guilty plea is a sha shattering moment for the trump presidency. >> i think we should wait until we see all the facts and evidence before we come to a funl judgment. >> when one of the main home boys turn snitch, a bunch of people about to go to jail.
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welcome to saturday. breaking news overnight a 51-49 senate vote on tax cuts. i'm victor blackwell. >> and i'm christie paul. only one republican voted against it and along the lines, the gop moved closer to scoring the major legislative victory of the trumper ra. now t benefits, it will fuel economic growth and boost the middle class. democrats say that the economy is already growing and lining the pockets of the rich will not help. >> the gop tax victory follows some really critical news of the day. yesterday, really in the last 24 hours, a former trump national security advisor is cooperating with robert mueller. flynn admitted to lying to the fbi and in exchange he's
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expected to tell the truth about any cooperation between the trump campaign and russia. republicans are celebrating that tax vote. democrats slamming the gop for last minute changes. >> for republicans long frustrated by the legislative process unable to achieve achievement, they are now on the brink of one. the u.s. senate voting 51-49 to pass the republican tax overhaul plan. that means both the house and the senate have passed their own versions of this. it's one step closer to being sent to the president's desk. now, democrats, very opposed to this tax plan from the beginning. unified in their opposition on the floor and furious about the process, a process that led mitch mcconnell to know he had the votes at 10:00 a.m. on friday morning and still not
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releasing the bill until 8:00 p.m. later that day. democrats waving legislative texts with handwriting on them making substantive changes. i asked the majority leader about the complaints. >> is this how you envisioned passing such a large legislative bill? >> the democrats had plenty of notice. chairman hatch can attest to all the multiple hearings, markups, everybody had plenty of opportunity to see the measure. you complain about process when you're losing. and that's what you heard on the floor tonight. >> now, guys, that isn't the final step. the senate still has to take another vote. so does the house. the next step will be both sides will have to reconcile their bills but the frame work of the two is the same and if you talk republican officials at the white house, in the senate and
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the house, they believe the senate was by far the biggest hurdle. things can spin out of control quickly, particularly something so come -- so they are on the pathway of sending it to the president's desk like bibby the end of the year. >> let's go to the white house where we find abby phillip. it was the best of times, it was the worst of times. i've been waiting for somebody to say it. really a major accomplishment, a high for the president, but still the news a flip. >> there's a lot going on with the white house figguring out what to do with there flynn news. at the same time by the end of
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the day, they are rejoicing over coming much closer to fulfilling a legislative promise that the president made to his supporters on the campaign trail. the first time they've been able to say that in this administration. making it work on taxes is the number one priority right now and they also know that with the flynn investigation going on, it only gets harder and harder for them to have political capital so this is a key moment for them to do this before that investigation starts to overshadow even more what is going on here in washington. the president not saying much on twitter and the flynn news but he is talking about tax reform tweeting that we are one step closer to delivering massive tax cuts for working americans. he says, look forward to signing the final bill before christmas.
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there are only a couple of more days left for the president to make that promise come true. a few hurdles left. the reconciliation process will be significant one for this bill given the differences, but they are in fact, closer than they have ever been. >> all right. we'll see what happens next in this conference committee. thanks so much. let's break this down. deputy managing editor at the weekly standard here. and thank you both for being here. i wanted to ask you, and can we share the video here? we've got video of john tester from montana as he is looking at this tax bill and on the side there you see all of that writing? those are some of the modifications that are going to be discussed in this conference committee. do we know what some of those modifications are? we can't read them from that piece of paper. but i'm assuming that there is
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something trickling out that will talk about what is vulnerable and what is not when it comes to compromising and reconciling this bill? >> it's incredible. no, i mean, i've been struggling all morning to find out what was in the bull that was passed about 2:00 a.m.? it's impossible to know. as you mention, you can't even read some of the hand writing so when i have to admit when i see footage of a reporter asking mitch mcconnell how this was done, you do not normally see handwritten changes on the sides of the bill and it's interesting because all -- a lot of those things are little pet projects too, because each senator is very powerful. each one is united states powerful given how close the republican majority is and i'm surprised in a way that more senators didn't try to get their pet projects in. if you look at what some of the
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senators got in, it's quite amazing and i'm surprised -- hey, why didn't all 51 decide to play hard ball? >> they might think it's going to be so scrutinized so they might want to be careful about that. a lot of people are hearing this has passed. they know it's going to be reconciled now. what would you say regarding what's on the table and to get cut. >> before we get to that, i much like would like to make out the san script or whatever language was written in the margin to get exactly what the nuances are. having said that frrks the perspective of the trump white house and the people i've been talk for weeks if not months, there has been a creeping feeling of political denialism within this add min straight
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about getting this through. republicans aren't overjoyed with this tax bill. it's not a huge tax reform bill. they want it as a tax cut bill that by their own public estimation is not perfect. having said that, the white house knows and the republican leadership shows they cannot go into the midterms having to offer their donors, having to offer their conservative base essentially nothing. they failed to kill obamacare and if they fail to deliver a tax cut, they go into 2018 with republicans and voters wondering, kwha is the point of having you control everything if you can't even do these two things that you've been promising us for a decade? >> i whatn't to ask you about that. he made a point that they're going to into this. they have to get it done. a lot of what he just said sounds a lot like what democrats were saying about obamacare at
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the time. it's not perfect but we've got to get it through. >> i remember pelosi saying we've got to pass the bill to see what's in it. they never stopped pointing that out and it's starting to be that same thing. >> but the democrats are doing it now. >> neither party is perfect and both parties will do what it takes to get re-elected. that's really what it's about. it's not about let's change the tax code and make it more fair, for you know, lower and middle class americans. it's about what do i need to do to get enough seats to keep control in the midterms. >> i want to get to this sound from senator rubio. this was in february of 2016. let's listen together here. >> the next president of the united states will not be able to complete one term without dealing with the national debt.
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it is a ticking time bomb. it is the most predictable crisis in american history. >> so how do republicans reconcile that statement with the debt that they're talking about now? >> very isimple. i mane, deficit hawks who are going to lose out on this, i'm sorry to say, in terms of policy, yeah, they might have a nagging feeling in -- near the middle or the back of their mind, but in terms of politics they're going to continue dodging questions about it. >> bob corker is the only one he can say he did not vote for this bill because it hadds a trillio dollars to the deficit. >> we appreciate you both being here. >> thanks so much. >> stick around. we have more with them here as well. michael flynn and this guilty plea of lying to the fbi, what is he telling investigators
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plus, it has a fortifying formula to protect your enamel. crest. healthy, beautiful smiles for life. this morning russia is reacting to flynn's guilty plea to lying to the fbi calling it a sack of smoke and empty and labeling the russia investigation an attack. >> but flynn's actions could have far reaching consequences for the trump administration. we're going to talk about that in a little more in just a moment. >> but let's look at what got him in trouble in the first place. >> the ongoing russia investigation has reached president trump's innermost circle. michael flynn says that he is cooperating with the special
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counsel's probe. flynn pled guilty to repeatedly lying to the fbi including making false statements about his december 2016 conversations with then russian ambassador to the u.s. kislyak. flynn also sought russia's help during the transition to block a u.n. security council vote that the obama administration was abstaining on. the white house said, quote, nothing about the guilty plea or the charge implicates anyone other than mr. flynn. however, court documents make clear that flynn was not acting alone. according to prosecutors flynn communicated with senior members of the president's transition team about the conversations and
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in at least one instance was directed by transition official to reach out to russia. cnn has learned that the president's son-in-law, jared kushner is the very senior member of the presidential transition team identified in court documents. kushner directed flynn to contact the russian ambassadors and others according to sources familiar with the matter. flynn's guilty plea belies president trump's repeated denials of any contacts or involvement between his campaign and russia. >> as the president lied about what communications his team has had with russia? >> well, abundantly and most significant in denying that this happened, saying it's a hoax. >> after the court proceeding he went to michael flynn jr.
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>> rewe reported recently that flynn senior was concerned about the legal jeopardy his son might face. it certainly raises the question as to whether cooperation from flynn was in exchange partly for protektsing -- protecting his son. >> let's bring in our legal analyst and criminal defense attorney. paige, good morning to you. good morning to you again, kelly jane. i want to talk with you. specifically about flynn's conversations with the russian ambassador. now that he's saying he was directed by senior officials and sources tell cnn that was kushner, how does that change your view of kushner? >> it's not uncommon for agents
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like this to know everything they can about the case before they sit down and talk to potential targets or subjects of the investigation. they tell them, make sure what you tell us is true. so i'm sure when they were asking these questions, they already had some idea of what mr. flynn was going to say about them so i think a lot depends on reviewing the transcript and whether or not he made a false statement to one of the investigators because if he did as we've seen with flynn and others that's a federal crime. >> a very senior member told him to have those conversations and it takes us back to the question that we asked when we learned about the don jr. trump tower meeting and we learned about the communications between don jr. and wikileaks. what did the president or then candidate elect know and when did he know it?
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we know that president trump was very involved because he had a small team, some would sigh micromanaging. is it plausible that these conferrings would have and donald trump would have no idea about them? >> i would say it seems unlikely, but you never say anything absolute. this was not a campaign that was a normal campaign and you would think a guy would know what his son-in-law is up to if his son-in-law is running his campaign and you know, getting someone like michael flynn who president trump was also very close to. flynn is one of the few people that donald trump has really stood behind and you know, he really likes the guy and you know, i was just talking in the green room earlier and he said that donald trump had sent him a written note saying stay strong in the days leading up to flynn's guilty plea. so you don't know what the president knew or what he didn't, but it seems a normal
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person, it would be highly unlikely they wouldn't know what their son-in-law was instructed to do. >> we don't know how long mr. flynn has been cooperating with the special prosecutor here and how much he knows about these communications. let's get to the logan act that essentially says there's one government at a time and makes its all legal to intervene on the business of the sitting administrati administration. is this something that is really at play here? >> oh, i think so. i really think this is the heart of the case now. and what's interesting is no one's really been effectively prosecuted under the logan act before. it's on the books, it's been there a long time but no one's been convicted or sent to jail because of a violation. >> wouldn't it suggest that it's possibly off the table when there is with the case of general flynn, so much that can
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be on the table? >> yes, and i think what flynn ended up entering a plea to, the false statements was an attempt to cover up for this potentially nonexistent crime, so i don't think they had any idea kushner, flynn and the others, they might be violating the logan act until after the fact. they're trying to cover up what may never been prosecuted anyway. >> i think you're right. i don't see any prosecutions under the logan act going forward. >> two people i've been thinking about of the last 16, 18 hours. rick gates and paul manafort. what does this potentially mean for them in this game of let's make a deal, who can you offer. if we're flipping up, how does this potentially i guess jeopardize their value in any potenti potential deal that you wanted to make. if you've got flynn who was there during the candidacy and in the transition and in the
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white house he seemed to be far more valuable. >> he is nmore valuable. especially when he was instructed to talk to russia and i have to say though, how credible is flynn as a witness? it's a good question i think. how did this guy who was in the government before, he was the head of dia, how did he not know that his conversations with top russian officials would not be overheard? of course america spies on its russian officials just like the russians spy on american officials and it's incredible to me that this man did not consider when he called the russian ambassador on his cell phone that this would be overheard and that's why it's shocking that he thought he could lie about it to the fbi and you have to wonder, can you trust this guy? he seems kind of -- kind of ridiculous and not really a serious guy. and again, keep in mind, this
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was the national security advisor for the united states and he's somebody that doesn't even seem to understand how the national security apparatus in this country works. >> how reliable is a liar? >> that's a great question. i think in every federal case you're going to see people who cut deals with the government and of course the other side. in this case lawyers for kushner, trump and the others will attack that person's credibility. they were so supportive of michael flynn before but now he's going to be somebody you can't trust at all and he has cut a deal. that's fair game. they can say look, whatever the special counsel wants him to say, other wise he'll face much more criminal charges. i think it helps him that he entered a guilty plea because he's come forward and said look, what i did back then and with other people around me was illegal. it was a crime. so admitting that actually helps his credibility to some extent. >> all right.
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all republicans voting yes except for bob corker. it a's an important victory for president trump promising to give a huge tax cut for christmas. >> and a guilty plea by michael palestinian w flynn. his plea signals that he may flip on others as well. this is a monumental vote for this administration. >> especially coming on the heels of a very tough day for them. they started out with the news of an indictment and a guilty plea from michael flynn for lying to the fbi at the beginning of this administration. really an extraordinary moment for the president, but at the
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same time you heard very little from frhim throughout the day. he tweeted around 3:00 in the morning right after this bill successfully made it through the senate that we are one step closer to delivering massive tax cuts for working families across america. he thanked them for getting the bill through and said look forward to signing the bill before christmas. partly because they want to be able to say that in this first year the president has accomplished something on his laundry list of things that he promised the american people when he was elected. health care wasn't able to get through, so taxes is the next best thing. they're getting closer and closer to the president. the time is running close for them to have political capital and get things done. the more it becomes a cloud over
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president trump's administration. >> all right. thank you. and let's now take a look at the time line of michael flynn's time line with his contacts with russia. general flynn asked russian ambassador kislyak to postpone the vote. then president trump announced new sanctions against russia and flynn asks kislyak not to retaliate. then december 30th, russian president says he will not retaliate against the u.s. sanctions. >> january 20th, 2017, president trump is inaugurated and on january 24th, flynn lies to investigators about his
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involvement. and january 30th president trump fires yates after he refuses to defend his initial travel ban. >> and on the 13th of february he resigned about misleading pence about his calls with kislyak. and now it's thrown the white house into a difficult position despite the president's effort to make this investigation go away. flynn's admission to lying to the fbi about conversations with kislyak is the first in what could be, some are expecting a domino effect. signaling more fallout that could be in the works as flynn cooperates with the special counselor's team. >> a russian politician is calling the probe a quote, sack of smoke. we're joined now from moscow. what are you hearing about the conversations that are happening in moscow regarding this news
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here in the u.s.? >> reporter: yeah, it's interesting, russia very much with the white house. denials, dismissals and distancing themselves from this. the kremlin have not responded to our inquiries. one texting me simply saying what has this got to do with us? but we have a couple of prominent politicians, one of them tweeting this morning that this was the u.s. as you say, inflating a sack of smoke and calling the whole flynn affair quote, empty and others saying that flynn was just a guy they got their hands on, that the real object of this attack, he said, was donald trump, so very much again, something that we've heard from the white house hinting that this is simply a witch hunt, an attempt to use the russia card to discredit him. so you know, very much silence
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or dismissals. those who are speaking about it are dismissing it this morning. >> all right. thank you. so this morning there are new sexual harassment allegations, this time against nevada's democratic congress mank. according to buzzfeed, a woman who worked as his finance director claims he made frequent advances, that he propositioned her and he claims he touched her thigh without consent on two separate occasions during his 2016 congressional campaign. nancy pelosi among other leading democrats are calling for him to step down. congressman didn't deny the woman's allegations and put out this statement. here's what he said. i sincerely apologize for anything that made her feel incomfortab incomfortable. now, he was first elected to
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thousands of north koreans there as they pack the nation's capital. they were celebrating a successful launch with the latest missile. soldiers and onlookers there. this is pyongyang yesterday. the rogue nation fired off a missile tuesday, remember. it was higher and longer and fired into the waters east of the japan. north korea's leader kim jong-un is boasting this latest technology has the power to hit the u.s. a lot has happened in the last 24 hours overnight. overnight, senate republican leaders rounded up the votes to pass the gop tax reform plan that happened just before 2:00 a.m. eastern. and in the russian investigation the president's former national
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security adviser michael flynn pleaded guilty to lying to the fbi. a move that may implicate even more people in the president's inner circle. here to talk cnn commentator andre bauer and robert zimmerman. gentlemen, good morning to both of you. >> good morning. >> andre, i want to start with you, this tax bill got by, 51-49, bob corker peeling off and voting with the democrats against it. the most recent version that they saw was that this would add a trillion dollars in the deficit by 2027. how is this fiscally responsible? fiscally conservative? >> well, i like so many conservatives believe that growth will make that up. but i'm amazed at the deficit hawks who have not been worried even under the former bush administration and obama administration where we went from eight trillion to 20
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trillion. i've never heard of anybody squawking, raising cane, now everybody is concerned. i say quit spending so much money as a government. we need to continue to throttle back on what the government continues to provide in goods and services only necessities. government has grown out of control we need to scale that back. finally the american people will get to keep more of their money. hopefully, we'll repatriate money from overseas for quite a long time. and we need to do things to have american companies stay in this country. and if we don't we're going to see more companies do exactly as they've done in the past and go places like ireland where they're rewarded by a tax system. we need to address this unless we want companies to find opportunities not to pay any tax at all. >> robert? >> well, victor, if i could just point out to you, andre, this tax bill does not address the issues that you're talking about. in fact, it's a rather unique
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moment in history where senate republicans and house republicans have passed a tax cut that is very popular with the american people that would raise premiums for average americans and puts in tax cuts that will expire within ten years. so middle class are not receiving the benefits but corporate america is. let's remember, when we've had tax cuts in the past, whether it was under the obama presidency or reagan presidency or kennedy presidency, this is in severe economic sessions. the penn-wharton analysis done, plus what the republicans use, all they this will not create the growth to make up for the deficit it's creating and ultimately hurting middle class working americans because the middle class is going to to pay
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this. >> i want to move to the guilty plea of michael flynn. the president's lawyer working in the courthouse ty cobb said the guilty plea clears the way for a clear conclusion. your assessment for that statement of cobb? >> well, cobb referred to flynn as an obama appointee when he fails to point out that president obama fired general flynn and told president trump not to hire him. so, the white house is not just in a spin mode, quite frankly, you could use dramamine to handle their spin. they're facing a real day of reckoning here obviously with every analysis, this investigation is not stopping from general flynn. he took directives from higher ups. and the fact that the president tries to interfere with the russian administration, tries to stop it. so many members have been caught lying. leaves a lot of important questions to be answered. there are serious questions here affecting the very credibility.
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the possible future existence of the trump presidency. >> andre in front of the curtain here, we hear from ty cobb and several employees will at the white house. and trump allies that this doesn't speak to anything or to anyone beyond general flynn. but sources close to the white house and the president who are unnamed, or have not given their names, say that they are concerned. that this is a red flag for them. what's your degree of concern after this guilty plea from flynn? >> well, i don't want to just dismiss it and stay there's no concern. i mean, evidently there was some reason he took the plea. whether it was something to do with his son. i don't know the specifics but i wouldn't dismiss it and say there's no concern. definitely there's a concern for me. i want to see this pass. i want to see the country move on. but i also want to go on and say there's contacts that i saw from hillary clinton in they are campaign that ought to be addressed if we open this up. but as an american, i'd rather see it put to bed and move
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forward. but if we open it up, it should be wide open on both sides who had contact what they did to influence the election and how that change the election that we experienced last year. i think everyone wants to know everything that happened. sometimes, almost like in the nixon era, where it's just better to move forward to continue this where we're not moving forward as a country. >> andre, it's better -- >> the nixon era -- that's how they moved forward. >> to get the facts than to try to spin this about hillary clinton. >> well shg, if i got a $500,00 speaking fee for a few minutes -- >> all right. here we go. andre, thank you for being with us. we'll continue the conversation, thanks so much. within the next hour, president trump is going to head to new york in the midst of this political victory as well as the firestorm. he's praising his first
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