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>> i don't think we have submitted to obstruction of justice, but his actions, regarding general flynn have changed dramatically. >> he has a problem with the truth and he can't seem to keep his fingers off his blackberry or whatever he uses. >> we may look back on the deal as the beginning of the end of the trump administration. >> this is the question of legal jeopardy for the president and members of his family. announcer: this is "new day" weekend with victor blackwell and christi paul. >> good morning. we are grateful to have you with us here. this morning, it seems to be the president of the united states against a former director of the fbi. >> here we go. minutes ago, president trump tweeted this, i never asked comey to stop investigating flynn, just more fake news
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covering another comey lie. the president's denials contradict what james comey said under oath during his testimony in front of the senate intelligence in june. watch this. >> what he wanted me to do was drop any investigation connected to flynn's account of his conversations with the russians. >> so, i want to get straight to dan live in washington for us. dan, i mean, this is turning into a he said/he said debate all over again. >> it is. that is what president trump tried to create since james comey testified before the senate and the house earlier this year. he is up and tweeting. we expect to hear more from him today, especially on his favorite medium, twitter. this stems from the february 14th meeting of president trump and fbi director, james comey. trump decided to fire comey earlier this year. he said because of his handling of the e-mail investigation into
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hillary clinton. but, he also told nbc news, at the time, he was considering the russian investigation, the fbi investigation into possible collusion. i want to take you back to the testimony to get to why this is a he said/he said. here is what comey said in his written testimony. the president then returned to the topic of mike flynn saying he is a good guy and has been through a lot. he repeated that flynn hadn't done anything wrong on his calls with the russians, but misled the vice president. he then said, i hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, letting flynn go. he is a good guy. i hope you can let this go. i replied only he is a good guy. i had a positive experience dealing with mike flynn as a colleague dealing with my term at the fbi. i did not say i would let it go. this is significant because whether president trump knew that mike flynn lied to the fbi at the time he fired him could
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get to obstruction. what we are learning is, tweets matter. the president used this new form of communication very effectively throughout the 2016 campaign and as president. but, it also gives special counsel robert mueller, others an avenue to get to his realtime thinking during the investigation. that is significant. most presidents are careful about what they say. president trump wakes up and turns to twitter and unleash a message like we saw earlier this hour that gets into his day-to-day thinking of this investigation. >> dan, we appreciate it. thank you. on the heels of the new tweets from the president on flynn, specifically when he said yesterday, i had to fire general flynn because he lied to the vice president and fbi. former fbi director, james comey is offering this cryptic message. look at this. beautiful long island sound.
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to paraphrase the buddha, three thing ks not be long hidden, the sun, the moon and the truth. >> maybe not so cryptic. this is not the first time comey reacted to news in the russia investigation after flynn pled guilty, he quoted a bible verse about justice. gloria marshall from john jacob college of criminal justice. good morning to both of you. >> good morning. >> this is really fluid here. the president, apparently likes to weigh in as the third panelist. he did during the last conversation where the tweet came from. let's start with the big question that was created yesterday by the president's tweet. let's put it up. the president said that he had to fire general michael flynn. let's put it on the screen so everyone can see it. he had to fire michael flynn because he lied to the vice president and the fbi. he pled guilty to the lies. it's a shame because his actions
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were lawful. there was nothing to hide. first to you, gloria, if the president knew that flynn lied to the fbi, then on february 15th, 14th, rather, asked flynn, rather comey to let this go and when he didn't fired him, is that clear or strong case for obstruction of justice? >> i think it is the foundation for obstruction of justice. i think mueller is looking at this saying, okay, if you knew he lied, even though you might have thought that whatever was lawful at the time even though that looks suspect, now you are trying to stop an investigation, yes, there's a foundation for obstruction of justice. mueller, of course, has been given the authority to go after any links, anything. it's such a broad authority. this falls clearly within his dictate. >> brian, the white house is saying this tweet did not come from the president himself, that
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it was actually written by his top personal attorney john dowd and dowd is trying to admit something tye cobb wrote on friday. is that customary? do we see them writing tweets often? >> no. the twitter is spread by the president himself. he gets up in the morning and tweets to his little heart's content including stuff, fake video from anti-muslim extremists. the things he tweets often come straight from him, come straight from his heart. we have been told these things are actually, you know, this is policy. we asked that in the white house press briefing room. we are told what he tweets is policy. he's got a problem and, no, he doesn't often have others tweet for him. it's odd that he would have someone tweet something for him. he takes pride in his tweets while the rest of us cowher and
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wonder what he is talking about. >> we have had, throughout the entire campaign and presidency, attorneys and legal experts who say the president's tweets are problematic. what lawyer, worth the hourly rate, would tweet something that says the president knew that his national security adviser lied to the fbi and then kept him on for weeks after that? >> well, a client in search of any lawyer who is willing to represent him at this time. he will throw his lawyer under the bus. i think it's really problematic not just that there would be a lawyer who would stand by this man, but the fact that the lawyers now going to be in a situation in which he's going to have to say, you know, at some point in response, did you do this? i mean, you can't just say the lawyer did it and now the lawyer whose got a reputation to uphold and, you know, to be a member of the bar, is he going to admit he did it or is he going to lion
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behalf of his client? >> i wonder. maybe you know the answer to this, maybe you don't, is there an attorney/client privilege that prevents or protects dowd from having to testify before the special prosecutor in answering the question if he, indeed, tweeted that or the president admitted through twitter he knew flynn lied to the fbi? >> i mean, that brings the whole question of attorney/client privilege. did they break the privilege if he's sharing it with the world? it's what happened between the attorney and the client. if the client decides to share the information with the world, then the privilege is broken. >> the thing you should remember, victor, when it comes to the president's tweets, what we have learned in covering this president is that nothing is sackry sangt and can't believe anything. was it factual?
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i don't know. it's there to look at. but, what it is, that's up for judgment, still. >> let's get to the element that the president added to our conversation early this morning when he tweeted that he never asked comey to fire or stop investigating flynn. here is the tweet. i never asked comey to stop investigating flynn. more fake news covering another comey lie. let's go back to june from the testimony from the fbi director, james comey in an exchange with the senator. watch this. >> director, when the president requested that you, and i quote, let flynn go, general flynn had an unreported contact with the russians, which is an offense. if press accounts are right, there might have been discrepancies between facts and his fbi testimony.
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in your estimation, was general flynn, at this time, in serious legal jeopardy and, in addition to that, do you sense that the president was trying to obstruct justice or seek a way for mike flynn to save face, given he had already been fired? >> general flynn, at this point and time was in legal jeopardy. there was an open fbi criminal investigation of his statements in connection with the russian contacts and the contacts themselves. that was my assessment at the time. i don't think it's for me to say whether the conversation i had with the president was effort to obstruct. i took it as very disturbing, very concerning. that's a conclusion the special counsel will work toward. >> brian, to you, finally, this recollection comes from comey's contemporary notes and unclassified memo immediately after and begs the question as it has through the entire saga,
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why the president continues to be so loyal to flynn and still telling him to stay strong through this process. >> well, that's a good question and one that mueller has to look at and i'm sure he is looking at. as comey pointed out, a disturbing revelation and will be up to better legal minds than mine to decide whether or not it's obstruction of justice. what it points to, what we should all take away is the fact that the president was heavily involved with flynn and any attempt to back away is not going to stick. we have heard he was an obama appointee. the fact of the matter is, he was very close to the president. his future and the president's future may be intertwined in ways we don't know yet. >> brian, gloria, thank you both. >> thank you. >> thank you. u.s. officials say an fbi agent assigned to the russia investigation was removed because of old anti-trump
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messages. this past summer, robert mueller removed peter after an internal investigation found he sent messages during the 2016 campaign. these were messages that appeared to make fun of then candidate trump that raised questions and concerns that could be seen as pro-hillary clinton. they agreed to interview him. up next, was the white house telling the truth when it said general flynn was acting alone when it came to russia? there are new e-mails obtained by "the new york times" this morning that show this may be taking a turn. plus, a new book on president trump's campaign, reviewed by "the washington post" gives an inside view of the turbulent relationship with the staff and a lot more.
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michael flynn and how he acted alone, a rogue actor when he made contact with then russian ambassador kislyak. there are remails written by the former transition team adviser, kt mcfarland revealing flynn was in close contact with members of the transition team before and after he spoke with the then russian ambassador. >> this e-mail was put out after it. here is the most important part, possibly, of what she wrote. if there is a tit for tat escalation, trump will have difficulties improving relations with russia. this is not clear whether she believes russia flew the election to president trump or saying the democrats would spin the election in that way. so, who is kt mcfarland? >> that may be something you are
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asking. she was a top official on the president's transition team. previously, the deputy national security adviser in the trump white house. she was asked to step down after general flynn was fired. she has spoken with special counsel mueller as part of the investigation. >> errol lewis anchor for spectrum news for us. good morning. how problematic is this information coming out of the new york times were the trump administration this morning? >> well, it really underscores the fact that they have to get their stories straight. either the statement of offense that was signed on perjury by michael flynn was true or not. in his account of events, he speaks with high-ranking officials of the transition, very high ranking before and after his phone calls to ambassador kislyak. if they later are passing around e-mails trying to strategize and
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say well, maybe we did, maybe we didn't. maybe he's a rogue operator. maybe he lied. maybe the president fired him because of this stuff. it doesn't make a lot of sense. in those cases, frankly, it's the person making statements with a lot to lose. that's michael flynn, whose words should carry the day. >> i want to bring that full screen up, if we could, please of what part of this e-mail was. as it is titled obama doing three things politically. the last one there, if there is a tit for tat escalation. trump will have difficulties. again, we don't know what that means. is it important for either the president or someone in his administration or someone from the transition team to come out and clarify the context of that? >> the ideal person would be kt mcfarland, who wants to be an
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ambassador or represent the united states overseas, to the extent she wants that kind of official standing. she should clear the whole thing up. i think i see your point and it's an important one. there was broad discussion within the transition that it was not a good idea to have these sanctions. kt mcfarland, who is close to michael flynn is talking about it with him. it's clear this wasn't a rogue operator or somebody off on their own making stuff up. the transition and for political reasons that are easy to discern wanted this to go away. according to michael flynn, under oath, somebody told him or at least was aware of the fact he was going to do something about it. >> i want to get to another tweet from president trump, happened late yesterday. we haven't talked about it, yet. this is what he tweeted. general flynn lies to the fbi
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and his life is destroyed. look at hillary clinton on that famous fbi holiday interrogation, in parenthesis, with no swearing in and no recording lies and nothing happens to her. rigged system or double standard? we don't know there was no recording. we don't know whether there was a swearing in. at least i don't know of anything like that. i don't know that anybody else does, either. what the official protocol was. does he have a point? people might be looking going, yeah, that's a good question to ask. >> i'd say he doesn't have a point. what we have seen for over a year is when ever anyone asks candidates then president-elect, now president donald trump, about his actions, about what he has done, he gos to personal insults, he goes back to so-called crooked hillary. he tries to distract. he tries to insult. he tries to make us look at anything but him and his actions.
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only one person here has top officials who have pleaded guilty to felonies. it is not hillary clinton. >> we have reports that kt mcfarland has been interviewed by mueller. do you think, based on what we are seeing here, she is vulnerable to another interview with the investigators? >> i assume that the special prosecutor, in talking to every single person he can, to try to sort of fill out this picture, has probably gotten from her a lot of information that led directly to the guilty plea and the situation with michael flynn that we saw unfold. she was seen, kt mcfarland was described as flynn's brain. they were very close. i assume they have gotten from her everything they need to get. >> appreciate your insight. thank you, sir. >> thank you. as republicans try to move forward with their tax plan, there's the threat of a government shutdown. can they declare victory on both
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we are so glad to have you with us. i'm christi paul. >> i'm victor blackwell. >> the former director of the fbi. >> moments ago from the president, via twitter, i never asked comey to stop investigating flynn. just more fake news covering a comey lie. >> the denials represent what comeny said in june. listen. >> what he wanted me to do was drop any investigation connected to flynn's account of his conversations with the russians. >> james comey has not responded to president trump's latest accusation. all righty. meltdowns. expletives. the screening fix. paul manafort, steve bannon, all the ingredients in a new book, providing an inside look at what they say was the trump presidential campaign. "let trump be trump," the rise to his presidency.
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it was reviewed first by "the washington post." brian, host of "reliable sources" is here to talk about it. pressing or steaming pants while donald trump is still wearing them. >> i have never tried that. never had to do that. maybe the campaign was in a hurry. this book is fascinating. they wrote the book together, which is a reason why i'm interested in reading it. each of them wrote different chapters, but the part they wrote together says sooner or later everybody that works for donald trump makes you wonder why you took a job with him in the first place. it's different than what we heard from corey on cnn. he was a reliable cheerleader for the president. now that the president is in office, we are seeing books about the campaign revealing how
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complicated it was, how many rivalries there were and how ugly it can be when you are trying to become president. >> speaking of something getting ugly, according to the book, talk about this. president trump told paul manafort, do i say allegedly? they are saying it. they say he said, did you say i shouldn't be on tv on sunday? i'll go on tv anytime i gdf i want and you won't say another "f" word about me. i can't say it out loud. brian, what do you make of these tirades they talk about? >> it's an amazing anecdote. you have now president trump as a candidate in his helicopter, tells the pilot to fly lower to get cell reception, then chews out paul manafort and says i
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will go on tv anytime i want to, plus all the expletives. helps me understand the president's twitter account. he is reluctant to take advice from aides or advisers. if he wants to say something or do something, he is going to do it, whether it's go on tv despite the advice during the campaign or the controversial, sometimes incriminating tweets on twitter. there's nobody that can stand in the way or be a gate keeper for the president. soundings like we saw that behavior during the campaign. >> i don't know if you know the answer to this. didn't they sign nondisclosure agreements? did they have to get clearance for the book to write these details? >> there were some nondisclosure agreements some staffers had. that was a factor during the campaign. we'll have to read the whole book to see how far the two former campaign aides go. remember, lewandowski is in d.c. with a business selling influence or alleged influence to the president.
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i don't think they are completely turning on trump, but showing how complicated and stressful it can be behind the scenes. >> let's talk about "snl." again, the cleverness of these people. >> oh, yeah. >> never ceases to amaze me. they had the ghost of flynn visiting president trump, kind of the whole christmas carol thing. let's take a look together. >> who are you? >> i'm michael flynn, the ghost of witness flipped. mr. president, i came to warn you, it's time for you to come clean, for the good of the country. >> what the -- >> the good of the country. >> the good -- >> this is serious, sir! the fbi got to me. >> do you ever wonder if his face freezes like that? he's always like that. >> he was on there, michael flynn is the man at the republican convention that said
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lock her up at the end. the skit ends with hillary clinton re-emerging as the final ghost and clinton says to trump, lock him up. this week, the revelations about trump have the detractors hoping for that outcome. you can see that among a former clinton aide, obama aide wondering if mueller is closing in. you see at the end, clinton emerges. we hadn't seen kate mckinnon playing hillary clinton in a while. she had a lot of fun at the end saying lock him up. guys? >> all righty. brian, we appreciate your time. >> thanks. >> thank you, sir. be sure to catch brian on "reliable sources" at 11:00 a.m. eastern today on cnn. after a law trying to block the republican tax plan, democrats are searching for a path forward. we will speak with ranking member of the budget committee to talk about what happens next.
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38 minutes after the hour. the fight over the tax bill is not over. the next step is ironing out the differences between the house version that pass zed in november and the senate version that passed early saturday morning. >> the republicans are feeling optimistic about the chances of the first legislative win under the trump white house. democrats, though, they are trying to figure out their next steps. hillary clinton calls action to voters. not this time. this tax bill is going to get worse as people learn more about it. six gop senators run on it. we all need to get to work. >> let's bring in representative john, a democrat from kentucky,
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ranking member of the budget committee. i'm going to talk about the upcoming budget fight. congressman, good morning to you. >> good morning, victor. >> first, i want to hit the tax issue. obviously, secretary clinton believes this is an albatross of republicans running in 2018. my question to you is why? >> for a couple reasons. one is, they said they needed to have this for political purposes going into the midterms. we argue the one thing they could accomplish in their takeover of government is pay off donors. i think the message is resinating in the country. all the polls show this has at best, 25%-27% support, almost 2-1 opposition. the calls are running hundreds against to one or two for. i think the atmosphere is very, very toxic out there toward this republican congress.
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i just think there's so much skepticism about what this congress is doing that the republicans are going to have a tough burden in selling this to the american people. >> let's talk about the budget, the money runs out next week. we know that speaker ryan is proposing this two-week extension. there are some conservative members of the republican caucus who are not fond of extending for two weeks to continue negotiations. they will need democratic votes to get that done. will you support that two-week extension? do you suspect there will be enough democratic votes so the conversations can continue? >> sure, victor. they are not going to have a problem in passing the two-week extension. if they try to go to next year, a lot of democrats will push back at that. they have had months and months and months to work this funding out. our leadership has been in conversations with their leadership for a long time.
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so, i know, i think we are perfectly willing to go until the 22nd. past that, we are not. with every spending bill in this era, republicans need democratic votes. there have to be serious negotiations during those two weeks. we are still far apart on both the, some of the issues that we are concerned about like funding for children's health insurance, like the dreamers, several other things. but, we haven't come to agreement on the numbers. that's, of course, the most important thing. >> you mentioned daca and leader pelosi said it is possible that that will be the votes for the funding bill will be used as leverage to get protection for the 800,000 or so d.r.e.a.m.ers in this country. i want to put up a tweet from senator jeff flake who voted for the senate tax cut bill.
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he said i will support tax reform bill after securing language for an $85 billion budget gimmick, commitment to advance growth oriented legislation to a fair and permanent protection for data recipients. what is your degree of confidence that republican leadership will follow through with what senator flake suggests that there will be permanent protections for data recipients? >> i'm not overly confident. i have some confidence. speaker ryan said we need to fix this problem. many other republicans said they want to do that. the president, of course, said he wanted to fix it. but, the real problem right now is the sense of urgency. republicans seem to be sitting on their hands saying, we have until march to do this. they don't understand the anxiety and trauma the d.r.e.a.m.ers are undergoing
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right now. they are trying to make plans if they can go back to college in the spring semester. they need to know now they are going to be safe and secure in their future in this country. so, we are pushing very hard to get this done by the end of the year. yes, we are going to use leverage to negotiate that. >> let me ask you, finally, about the big issue of the weekend and the guilty plea from former national security adviser, michael flynn. first, on friday, we heard from the president's attorney, tye cobb saying nothing about the guilty plea targets anyone other than mr. flynn concerning what we heard from the reporting of "the new york times" and others. do you believe that statement is accurate? >> well, i guess technically, it's accurate. i think the actual nuances of this are that it clearly means that mr. mueller has his sights
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on people senior to general flynn. that means you are talking about the president, jared kushner, the vice president and maybe attorney general sessions. there aren't many people that are senior to general flynn. so, yes, it doesn't directly implicate any individual, but it certainly indicates to me and most other observers there are people who are in serious jeopardy at the very highest levels of our government. >> finally, the president tweeted or let me correct that, tweeted from the president's account yesterday was this. i had to fire general flynn because he lied to the vice president and the fbi. he's pled guilty to those lies. it's a shame because his actions during the transition were lawful, there was nothing to hide. the white house says his attorney john dowd tweeted this to mimic something ty cobb said.
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is this evidence of obstruction of justice? >> i think there's plenty of evidence. when the president fired james comey, that was evidence of obstruction of justice. when he made calls to senators trying to end the investigations of russian involvement, that was obstruction of justice. i think the instances of obstruction keep mounting. i think the president is well advised not to tweet about this case. every one of these things puts him in the position of being held up to be contradicting him or other people in his administration. this is very dangerous for him. but, again, i think it's very clear to me that the west wing, and again, i'm not sure which individuals, but the west wing ought to be sweating bullets. >> thanks so much for being with us this morning. >> thanks, victor. after losing his son to an overdose, a retired u.s. navy
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i want to talk to you about the opioid crisis. there's a family fighting to end the epidemic because their son overdosed. this is a father who was a four-star navy admiral, access to guidance from senior government officials. and jonathan winfeld jouust cou not escape the depths of his addiction. so his family is sharing his story, hoping that they can helps you and others. james sandy winifeld is with us. thank you so much for being here. i'm sorry it's under these circumstances. first of all, how is your family doing now? >> we're doing fine. i think a big part of the recovery process for us has been having the opportunity to step forward and try to advance the cause that john actually believed in himself. he got his emergency medical technician qualification, because he wanted to help other people. and we want to carry that forward in his place.
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>> i know it's only been four months since he passed away. and president trump, we know, declared the opioid epidemic a federal emergency. what is your most current need to wipe this out? >> there are fine lines of effort the nation needs to pull on very hard and they're all interrelated and i can go through them very quickly. raising public awareness. the most important part of that, of course, is lowering the stigma that's associated with opioid addiction. it's a disease, not a moral failing. we also need to amp up our prevention efforts, whether it's in schools or workplaces, be more creative about that. we need to get the opioid prescription piece much better under control. that is one of the original causes of this epidemic. we need to amp up our law enforcement efforts to -- with the dea nationally, locally,
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what have you, to include experimenting with some techniques that can help lower the rate of fatal overdoses, like safe use zones, which are a little bit controversial, but worth trying. and last but not least, the most important possibly is better access to treatment. more capacity, better capacity, and certainly much more affordability for treatment. >> people would think that you had resources available to you. did you? or was that an obstacle for you? >> you know, the military health care system at the time did not well understand the phenomenon of dual diagnosis, where -- you know, of the three entry paths that you can have into this addiction, jonathan was on the one where he had anxiety and depression, at the same time spiralling into addiction. and that takes a very special type of treatment. the military health care system didn't really understand that, so we ended up paying it out of pocket and it cost a lot of money. >> yeah, well, we only have a
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minute left, but i want to give you a chance to talk about your advocacy group you have going, safe you call it? >> exactly. we believe we have the opportunity to make a difference in john's name. john had to write an essay as an incoming freshman at the university of denver and in his essay, he described performing cpr on a person who was undergoing a heroin overdose in a mcdonald's bathroom and it said it changed his life and he wanted to carry that forward. we call it stop the fatality epidemic. we have a website up, safe.project u.s. and we want try to help people and we are determine to carry this forward. >> your determination is so evident, given the fact you just lost your son four months ago. thank you so much, james "sandy" winnefeld for being here and help share your story. >> thank you for helping highlight this very, very important issue for us.
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