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>> largest tax decrease in the history of our country. >> the very people they say they are going to help are going to get hit pretty hard. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> good morning. welcome to your "new day". president trump trying to undermine the credibility of the fbi. the president launching an extraordinary assault on the nation's top law enforcement agency saying its reputation is in tatters. this comes of course after fired national security adviser michael flynn pleaded guilty to lying to the fbi and is now cooperating with bob mueller's russia investigation. >> the president's lawyer now says it was he who wrote a controversial tweet which says trump knew flynn lied to the fbi before he fired flynn. some democrats say this amounts to obstruction of justice. all of this unfolding as president trump is one step closer to his first legislative
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win. we have lots to cover. joe johns is live at the white house. good morning, joe. >> reporter: good morning, alisyn. the president or others with access to his twitter account seemingly wading into dangerous waters over the weekend with what could be construed as an tkpheupb after pleading guilty to the fbi. and harsh words about the nation ae nation's most well-known law enforcement agency. president trump once again
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attacking the credibility of his own fbi, calling the bureau tainted and very dishonest. and declaring that after years under former director james comey, its reputation is in tatters. the president seizing on reporting that a senior fbi agent was removed from the special counsel's team last summer after internal messages were discovered that could be interpreted as showing a bias for hillary clinton. the head of the fbi agents association firing back saying, fbi special agents put their lives on the line to protect the american public, suggesting otherwise is simply false. comey and former deputy attorney general sally yates coming to the bureau's defense with yates declaring, the only thing in tatters is the president's respect for the rule of law. the dedicated men and women of the fbi deserve better. >> what has been shown is no collusion. no collusion. there's been absolutely -- there's been absolutely no collusion. >> reporter: president trump attempting to down play the guilty plea from fired national security adviser michael flynn before this damning tweet posted on saturday from his account asserting that he had to fire general flynn because he lied on the vice president and the fbi. the tweet suggests the president knew flynn lied to the fbi when
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he allegedly asked comey to drop the bureau's investigation into flynn, a conversation comey testified happened the day after flynn was fired. >> that's why i understood him saying is drop any investigation connected to flynn's account of his conversations with the russians. >> reporter: the president denying comey's account. mr. trump's private attorney saying he drafted the problematic tweet that could help special counsel mueller in an obstruction of justice case. >> if he knew that then, why didn't he act on it earlier? it raises a whole series of additional questions. you will see much more coming from the special prosecutor. >> reporter: dianne feinstein saying the senate judiciary committee is building an obstruction of justice case against the president, citing mr. trump's firing of comey.
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>> it is my belief that is directly because he did not agree to lift the cloud of the russia investigation. that's obstruction of justice. >> thank you very much. joining us now is marc short, white house director for legislative affairs. thank you for taking the opportunity this morning, sur. >> thanks, chris. thanks for having me on. >> talking taxes, he brought up the alabama senate candidate who he seems to be endorsing despite accusations of child molestation against the man. is that his clear purpose? >> well, i think, chris, he's been clear about expressing his concerns about the accusations against roy moore. he is also making the point in one of our best opportunities for tax relief, tax relief many democrats said reforming our corporate code made sense. and so he's making the case that for the people of alabama, not
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one democrat has been able to find time to say they support it. >> we have never heard roy moore weigh in on the tax plan. we don't know whether he would have even been a vote for it. >> he should weigh in. i agree with you. >> the president seems to be assuming he's for it. because he is for the tax plan, the president seems to be feeling that everything else doesn't matter. is that an odd message to send to the voters of alabama? >> no, i don't think that's a fair characteration.
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>> as far as we know he wrote these. all right. so on taxes, every democrat we have on the show says the same thing. that they can't be part of this process. part of the reason that you're doing it this way is because you get your simple majority. you control all the committees. so their amendments keep getting shot down. there is no effort to work with the democrats. you're just blaming them out of convenience. >> chris, you remember just a couple weeks ago your network was widely reported. we had about 10 democrats with joe manchin in which the president called in. it is a little difficult to say we didn't try to reach out to
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democrats. two weeks ago you were tweeting about meetings only with democrats. prior to that we met with senate finance, both republicans and democrats, on issues with where are we we are going with the tax plan. we had a lot of outreach to house members and senate democrats to try to encourage them to find ways to partner with this. sadly, the environment in d.c. is so partisan even on a plan that does what they said they wanted as far as reducing the corporate rate and providing relief they couldn't find a way to actually partner with this. we think that is unfortunate. >> a simple metric is do you have a list of any amendments that came from democrats that made it into either of these bills that are going into the conference? >> to what extent would they put forward ones intended to be political poison pills versus ones trying to improve the process. >> that's a matter of perspective. the democrats will say none of
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our amendments made it into the bill. they didn't want to cooperate. they want to muss it through. >> i assume that is why you're having me on the show, is to give my perspective. >> absolutely. >> they are putting forward amendments not intended to actually help the bill. they were trying to be poison pills, to put people on a position that they could grandstand in future election cycles. we had many conversations where they would acknowledge corporate america 35% was outdated. we were losing jobs overseas. they said let's focus middle income families. we thought we did that with this bill. there are other meetings here at the oval office you covered with the senate finance committee meeting with the president. we thought there were many avenues open. they believe that this was going to have a similar pathway to health care and they did not want to be a participant in that process. >> all right. that's your perspective. they have another one. why job is to put it out there
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and test your perspective. i appreciate you taking the opportunity. they will say, and i think -- forget about what the democrats are saying. the objective analyses make it hard to call it middleclass tax relief. that does not seem what it is engineered to do. there is no section of the middleclass, unless you start slice it with a knife that would make a ginsu blush. >> i don't think that's an objective question the way you premised it. for families earning $59,000 a year, which i assume is middleclass -- >> some families. it depends how many kids. depends how they file, where they are. >> i appreciate you having me. >> i have to frame the context of it. >> those are facts. those are not my facts. the facts that joint committee
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on taxation put out in the senate bill is for the average family earning $70,000 a year. $2,200. i think those are middle income families. so, yes, i believe this provides middle income tax relief. >> some middleclass families in america will benefit. some will not benefit as much. all of them will not do as well as people in the top tier. my question is very simple. if you are going to call it a middleclass tax cut, why don't those people benefit the most. that's all i'm saying. you could call it a tax cut and say there is stuff for the middleclass as well. it is is not designed to benefit them more than any other class. >> actually, no. we think it is designed do help them more than the other class, chris. if you look at a percentage of their taxes they will benefit more. if you look at absolute dollars, it does change the calculations because those in upper class are paying more in total dollars. if you're looking for what i
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would consider most concerning the middle income families, if you're at # $0,000, $2,200 in tax relief, that is a percentage greater than those at the higher end. i think that's what matters to those families. >> i'm telling you when i look at the analyses whether from the joint committee or cbo and they put the tables out, the number of middleclass families of who does well in the short-term, who does well in the medium term, who does well in the long term, they do not line up with the top tier. the families don't do as well as the top tier. that's all i'm saying. >> let's talk about that cbo analysis. we find that to be one of the most misleading at all. they acknowledge every income bracket will get tax relief until we decided it would be good to repeal the individual mandate and analyses switch. now they say middle income families get a tax increase. why is that? why would they say you remove a tax from an individual and, oh,
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now that's a tax increase. that makes no sense. >> of course it does. i don't have anywhere near your expertise. but i can make a construction argument. premiums will pop for portions that were deferen challenge to president trump. when the young and strong don't buy insurance and now they don't have to buy it because the tax is gone, you know insurers will price plans differently for those middleclass, off older and not as healthy individuals. >> we're happy to have another conversation about how well obamacare is working and whether people are getting proper care and what their premiums should be. but specific to questions what you are saying is i as a middle income family have all of these options in obamacare and i think they stink so i'm not going to buy you. and then we are going to tax
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you. they confirmed that every family provided -- every income bracket was provided with tax relief. >> right. in the short-term, that works for most of the families. but there is a middle term and long term. when you remove the mandate, you remove subsidies for a lot of people who many need it to get health care. they don't get it. that winds up being a practical tax as well. you're right, health care is a separate conversation. >> if the subsidies went to the families. but they actually go to health insurance companies. i'm going to count that as actually going to the middle income family whether they get there or not. it is a very misleading, dishonest study. >> the other side will say, no, it isn't because that keeps the rates low for people. so the practical effect is the same. buff i take your position on it on and i'm happy for you to offer it on "new day". you are always welcome here to make the case. you can come on every week if you want, marc.
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i mean it. the american people can only benefit from what you have to say. be well. let's get some analysis. let's bring in cnn political analyst gregory. before we just heard about the taxes marc short, let's touch on the prison's announcement. he has officially endorsed roy moore. he said we need republican roy moore to win in alabama. this is the first time he names him by name. >> in two tweets. there can be no question. that tweet and the next one he makes another case why it has to be moore and not the democrat. >> bingo. >> roy moore is accused of various things of sexual misconduct, assault, and one with a minor. so what do you make of this? >> well, i mean, we've been watching over a couple of weeks the various stages of roy moore and his defiance in the face of these accusations. you had all of the leaders in
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the republican party on capitol hill making it very clear that they believe the accusations, believe the women who talked about being teenagers and targeted inappropriately by roy moore when he was in his early 30s as a district attorney. but he was able to ride that out in his defiance. and donald trump, as president, made a political calculation that he didn't want to go down this road in alabama again where he followed mitch mcconnell's advice. and now everybody, mcconnell over the weekend on abc and the president digging in saying roy moore is our guy. we want somebody who supports our agenda. and it's a tight race down in alabama. and the voters will decide since there is not going to be a criminal proceeding here, the voters will figure out whether allegations are to be believed and whether this person is fit to be a senator. >> what do you make of the change? we don't know where roy moore is on the tax plan per se.
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people are looking at it right now. he supports the trump agenda. he has said that he hates the establishment in so many words. what do you make of the idea that clearly choosing party over these allegations. this has to be about the seat. to the extent that the president's tweet makes any sense because he is talking taxes and moore at the same time. >> i think there is a vulnerable moment and moore was able to survive it. incident was so close. they pushed -- everybody pushed in the same direction except the president to get him out. he held firm and was at least in a position to ride this out and face the voters. and i think there was a backlash against mitch mcconnell and it was led by people close to the president. here was this spector of republican party bosses in washington threatening not to seat him and looking for novel ways to intervene to get him away to unseat him or to change the rules of the game and have is a different kind of election.
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and there was a reaction to that. it looked like moore was crashing in the polls, but he was able to pull out of that and at least run. this is alabama. it's a tight race. that shows you how vulnerable he remains. >> they're within the margin of error having doug jones ahead within that. it is a dead heat. to be clear, roy moore has every right to stay in the race, every right to question the accusers. certainly doesn't have as many as trump did in his election. this is also a political choice, and they have to justify it. >> let's talk about taxes. david, the tax plan, at least. what did you hear marc short say? >> well, they have muscled this through right now. it was interesting over the weekend to see the president may give a little bit to find a little bit more revenue that is being lost since this will be a whammy of a tax cut in terms of
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its effect on the deficit. there is still speculation on what it is going to mean for the economy. what the administration is riding here is at a time of a massive stock market rally, corporations are going to stand to benefit a great deal here. and that will, you know, create favorable economic conditions overall. but once you start to dissect who is actually going to benefit over a period of time, i think it starts to break down. but republicans have made this bet. they have made an argument. it is striking how many the differences we have talked about the last couple of weeks, the bush tax cut in 2001 in terms of how many who are the top earners in the country benefit as opposed to the middleclass over time. but republicans are going to notch a victory here and face voters with it next year. mitch mcconnell is on record saying the effects of the tax cut will be immediate.
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it is helpful when you are leaning into an already buoyant financial market situation even though we are still facing rather sluggish economic growth. >> short is a very sophisticated guy. we have been working a long time to get him on the show and good to have him. interesting to see what tact tactically they are doing. cbo said it is not a middleclass tax cut effectively. they are not partial. there's the tactic again. if they don't like what you say, they attack you as illegitimate. if anybody thinks health care doesn't have anything to do with taxes -- >> at a time when we will see big changes in the thealth system. we will see it with the individual mandate. it removes a central pillar in how it is all supposed to work. thank you very much e. great to see you. the mueller investigation is taking a major step with michael
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president trump endorsing embattled gop nominee and alleged sexual molester roy moore. in a tweeted the president said moore needs to win to help push the president's agenda. we have democratic congressman jim hahns who serves on the house intel committee. good to have you here. >> good morning. >> the president has now endorsed him by name saying it couldn't be any plainer than in this tweet this morning. we need republican roy moore to win alabama. each mitch mcconnell appeared to be changing his tune on roy moore saying, well, let's let the voters decide. >> it is is the ultimate raising of party and near term political objectives over the country and frankly over morality, right? as we saw with the health care vote with the senate, one vote can make the difference. mitch mcconnell and donald trump
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would rather have roy moore, with all he represents, in the senate than a democrat. >> but even republicans backed by the accusations came out. by the way, let's just remind people, four women have come forward to accuse him of abuse and assault. one woman was 14 years old. so now what happens if he wins? >> he will be a huge political liability. the rest of the country does not look like republican voters in alabama. so just as the president's tweets every day create a distraction for the american people, most recently this terrible tweet about the fbi, something i care a lot about as a member of the intelligence committee, every day roy moore will say or do something which will embarrass us as a country and will be a political
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liability for the republican party. >> okay. let's get to the russia investigation. this weekend senator dianne feinstein said something very interesting. let me play for you how she sees it. >> i think what we're beginning to see is the putting together of a case of obstruction of justice. >> do you see it as obstruction of justice, he getting closer? >> it is interesting to note that george papadopoulos was charged with lying to the fbi. >> he pled guilty. >> right, pled guilty. is and flynn is cooperating. so it is looking like there is a tendency on the part of this administration of people associated with it to lie. and, look, you need to read the president's morning tweets to know his level of honesty. i think there is huge jeopardy here. as a member of the committee doing the investigation we still have a lot of work to do to figure out exactly whether there
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was information that was passed. it was passed to donald trump junior, passed to the campaign that was used. to me that ticks the final box on the question of collusion. we know there is a lot of lying going on about what the contacts were. >> let me read to you this tweet to see if you think -- this is what the president september out. if this changes your analysis in your investigation and any closer to obstruction of justice. this was sent from real donald trump's twitter account this weekend. i had to fire general flynn because he lied to the to the vice president and fbi. he had pled guilty to those lies. it is a shame because his actions during the transition were lawful. >> he is now in a sort of war
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with jim comey. when the president donald trump says something and jim comey says another thing, i'll tell you who i believe. this is time and time again pointing to the fact, and you see the president's behavior, pointing to the fact that this president has pressured people, has fired an fbi director by his own admission to relieve the pressure of the investigation fpltd i. i'm not a lawyer. i don't know when it crosses the line of okbstruction, but it certainly feels close. >> he says the agency is in tatters. do you want general jeff sessions or anyone to do about the president's take on the fbi? >> if jeff sessions had a shred of dignity after being attacked by this president, if he understood what leadership was, he ultimately is responsible. he would stand up for the
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thousands of men and women waking up to keep us safe against terrorism, criminals. this irresponsible president, this unbelievably irresponsible president just damaged the morale of the agency charged with keeping us safe in this cup. there is not a shred of truth that this agency is in tatters. i know this agency. people are standing up all over this country and saying, no, the fbi is doing good work. day in, day out, people put their lives at risk to keep us safe. this president badly, badly damaged that organization. >> jim himes, thank you so much for being here. that's a big topic this morning. president trump, no question, his tweets are attacking the fbi. certainly extraordinary. will attorney general jeff sessions weigh in? he's in charge of it. does he agree? former attorney general alberto gonzalez is next. our mission is to make off-shore wind
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president trump going on the attack. this time against the fbi. in a series of tweets, he is saying the bureau's reputation is in tatters, that it's the
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worst in history. joining us is former u.s. attorney general alberto gonzales. good to have you, sir. >> chris, it's good to be with you. >> is the fbi in tatters? >> well, you know, i think certainly the president is entitled to his opinion. but i felt his words were unfortunate. the actions of one agent cannot tarnish the reputation of the fbi any more than the actions of one individual during the transition or in the white house can tarnish necessarily the reputation of the white house. from my perspective, from my experience, the fbi is composed of men and women of extraordinary talents and dedication. as far as i can tell, that continues today. and, again, i think that the comments from the president are unfortunate. if the president or the white house has concerns or complaints about the work of any agency, any department, then those concerns are best handled privately and resolved
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privately. >> unfortunate why? what is the effect of these words? do you think the attorney general and the head of the fbi have a duty to come out and say what you are saying. >> i don't know if they have a duty to contradict the president. he is certainly entitled to express his opinion. but to talk about the great work the department is doing. if the white house believes that they should be doing things better, express dedication to doing a better job. but, you know, i think directly contradicting the president, i think you can express support without directly contradicting the president or taking the president on directly. >> the president tweets he had to fire flynn because he lied to the fbi. that is being taken as an assumption that the president knew he lied to the fbi when he asked comey to see his way clear to ending the probe on flynn.
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is that troubling to you? >> it does raise questions. and i think it raises questions that unfortunately sort of a self inflicted wound. it raises additional questions about what transpired here. and, again, i think you and i had this discussion before in the past. i think sometimes these tweets from the president's account, whether directly from the president or not, has created problems from the white house. and i think that i agree with many people certainly former officials who question the wisdom of continuous tweeting without any kind of, you know, any kind of review or any doctor more consideration about the effects of these tweets, which creates problems for the white house going forward. >> in this case, it might be too much proof. because if it is true that he knew that he had lied, why does it matter? here's why it matters. if it's true, it would be a suggestion that the president of the united states asked the head
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of the fbi to stop an investigation even though he knew there had been a violation of the law. and that would be a different analysis on obstruction of justice than if he did not know there had been any violation of law. fair point? >> that is certainly a fair point. that will be a question bob mueller will answer to ascertain whether there was corrupt intent, required under the law for obstruction of justice. one thing we have to remember, of course is donald trump did not order jim comey to drop the investigation. he made an inquiry, suggestion or question as to whether or not can't you see yourself letting this investigation crease with respect to mr. flynn. so whether or not we have obstruction of justice here, i think there are still questions that have to be answered. that will be the work of bob mueller and his team. >> no question.
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we will have to see what special counsel comes up with on this. >> in two separate tweets, the president seems to have endorsed roy moore. it seems to come down to a simple political calculus. they need these seats even if they do it with simple majority reconciliation rules. even though there are these allegations against roy moore. >> listen, i can only approach this from the perspective of the potential voter. that's all i am today, a private citizen. i don't think based on what i know from the record that i would vote for roy moore for the senate seat. this is for the voters of alabama. i'm not sure that i would vote for roy moore because there are a lot of unanswered questions in my mind. if i were in alabama and i were voting in this election before voting i would try to do as much due diligence as i could to try
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to ascertain the merits of these allegations. buff based on what i know today, i don't think i would feel comfortable voting for roy moore for this alabama seat. but i don't think i would vote for doug jones either. >> while it is certainly the choice of the alabama voter, i don't think anybody questions that, don't you think it is is the duty of elected leaders to weigh in on matters of this type of importance? >> you know, that's a very hard question, chris. a duty of the elected leaders to weigh in on this kind of question. you know, the voters of alabama have access to all the same kind of information. they're going to make this decision. again, i can only speak to this one from the viewpoint of a private citizen and from my perspective based on what i know today, i'm not sure i would feel comfortable voting for roy moore for the senate seat. >> but you don't need it the way
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the gop and the president do because you are in a private citizen and you're in a very different perspective. we always welcome your perspective on "new day". >> thank you, chris. >> and if i don't speak to you before, merry tkphas and you and the family. >> appreciate it. the parties, the politics, and the allegations of harassment next. crohn's disease. you're more than just a bathroom disease. you're a life of unpredictable symptoms. crohn's, you've tried to own us. but now it's our turn to take control with stelara® stelara® works differently for adults with moderately to severely active crohn's disease. studies showed relief and remission, with dosing every 8 weeks. stelara® may lower the ability of your immune system to fight infections and may increase your risk of infections and cancer. some serious infections require hospitalization. before treatment, get tested for tuberculosis.
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sexual harassment scandals have rocked hollywood, the media, capitol hill, and silicon valley. in "divided we code," we are taking a closer look how politics, power and harassment are affecting one of the most influential communities in the country. lori siegel joins us now. >> we have seen sexual harassment play out in all
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industries. i know tech best. i have been covering it for years. we are finally seeing this come to the forefront. women are saying we have had enough. they are speaking out for the first time. take a listen. >> everybody talks about how progressive and so forward thinking. >> silicone family promised to code solutions to the world's problems, but it can't seem to fix one of its own. >> gender discrimination, sexual discrimination, harassment. >> elizabeth scott filed a lawsuit against her employer. it had a reputation for its parties. >> i thought they were young like me and go-getters. >> daisy is another former employee. young founders, millions in funding, party culture. it created a perfect storm, according to elizabeth's lawsuit. >> one male employ wee would
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talk about how he refuses to wear a condom and has sex with over 1,000 people. sexual misconduct in the office. there was a space called the kink room. >> it had a kink vr demo in there. it was used for sexual intercourse during parties. screen shots show internal chat boards where random sex sessions were joked about. >> i would every once in a while find underwear in that room. they would make jokes about it, you would have to clean it up. >> you had to clean up underwear from your office space. >> that was part of it. start-up life, i guess. >> female deployees were expected to act as mommies. >> they are viewed as people who do the dishes and clean up underwear. >> she was fired days after complaining to a manager. >> that was kind of the breaking point for me mentally. >> after seeing elizabeth's
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lawsuit, daisy and other employees sent a letter requested the founder stepped down. when they refused, she quit. >> i totally understand how a young woman just moving to san francisco and walking into an upload event where there was loud music and open bar, i could totally understand how that could feel uncomfortable. >> the specific claims were more than oh, i was uncomfortable. it was i was uncomfortable picking up underwear, or an employee having sex with 1,000 women without wearing a condom. i want to give you the opportunity to respond to that. >> david? >> um, yeah. i mean, i think the whole team has realized sort of the party culture nature of the company. we really put a lot of structure -- we established an hr department. >> were women expected to do tasks like the dishes where as
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men weren't? >> no. i don't think we had the experience early on to recognize that shift that happened. >> but for some women it's just not enough. >> this has to stop. if it's helped one person, then i know i did the right thing. >> the question remains, now what? >> gosh, lori. that is eye opening and sickening the things that have been revealed in this lawsuit. behind the scenes you have been talking to entrepreneurs and investors. so what do they tell you? >> i've done a lot of tech conferences. i pull people aside and say tell me what you're not allowed to say out loud. they take meetings with women after a certain hour. maybe it's just not worth the risk. they say there is a witch-hunt going on. so i would like to say that now is a moment for women to come forward and talk. but it is also a moment for men
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to have an honest conversation. it is polarized. i'm worried we don't want to go back to an era we have moved forward from. >> this lawsuit has remarkable characteristics to it that take it way beyond the norm of a party or start-up or any kind of corporate culture. >> absolutely. >> lori, thank you. be sure to watch the cnn special "divided we code" saturday 2:30 p.m. eastern right here. >> how about the weather. a little mild start to december. they keep telling us it's going to come to an end. you know who is saying that, cnn meteorologist chad everett myers, not to be confused with any other chad myers. where is your dreaded purple now, my friend? >> they are singing turn out the lights in minneapolis today. it is 57 this morning. it will be 15 by tomorrow afternoon. it is just going to get so cold. wind chill factor all the way. this weather is brought to you by tempurpedic where sleep is power.
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i'm automatically attracted to beautiful. i'm just a magnet. just kiss. and where when you're a star you can do anything. >> former "access hollywood" host billy bush in that tape writes in a "the new york times" op-ed this morning that it was tread president-elect trump's voice on the "access hollywood" tape, of course. despite from trump's attempts to change that thought. mr. bush says he believes the women who have come forward. he says i can only imagine how it is real from the wounds of the women who came forward about him. and to these women i will never know the fear you felt or the frustration of being similarly dismissed and called a liar. but i do know about the anguish about being linked to donald trump. you have my respect add ae admiration. joining me now is one of donald
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trump's accuser rachel crooks. good morning. >> good morning. >> what do you think, he believes your story? >> i was so happy he came to our defense, albeit months later, you know. i thought it was wonderful that he was will ogg do that and i'm thankful for it. >> he said that he imagines -- or i guess he said that you must feel forgotten in this "me too" moment from harvey weinstein that started opening the flood gates to matt lauer. i ask just list a litany of men in between there, donald trump is obviously, still president. >> right. >> what has it been like for you to watch this "me too" moment? >> i mean, i think it's been great. i'm so thankful that other women had enough courage to come forward. but, yes, i do feel forgotten. i mean, you can't help but wonder why people aren't talking about trudgmp.
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and the people that came forward to him and why is he amun timmu that. >> set the scene, where were you working and what happened? >> i went to the bayrock group which is a company within trump tower. and i saw mr. trump regularly because he used the residential elevators outside of our office. i sat right in the front just behind some glass doors. almost daily, when he would use the elevators, i saw him. and i guess on one particular day, i decided to introduce myself to him. >> then what happened? >> so, i knew he was a partner of ours. i went and introduced myself. i shook his hand. and he gave me a kiss on each cheek which was normal. but he held on to my hand and he continued to kiss my cheeks over and over again as he sort of inserted small talk. he asked me where i was from.
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if i was a model. told me he had his own modeling agency. he kept repeatedly kissing me and then finally he kissed me on the lips. >> unwarranted, forcibly kissing you on the lips? >> definitely. >> what did he say. >> i don't recall if he said anything after that. i want to say i think his elevator arrived. and that sort of ended the encounter. after that, i just kind of ran back into the office and called my sister. i was really upset. >> what did you say to your sister? after something like that happens? what did you say, what did you think? >> i think i was just in shock. i didn't know how to explain it, you know. it was kind of like, something very weird just happened. and i don't know what to think. but it was awful because i remember feeling so confident when i approached him. like, i know you're a notable person, that doesn't matter. i want to make sure you know who i am, because i work for a company you're working with. and then i find out it was just
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like this complete 180, you know, feeling so deflated that he thought i was so significant that he could do that. >> that's how you perceived it, he must think of you as an object, something that didn't matter, to be able to force himself on you that way? >> right. i really internalized that. you know, wondered what image was i portraying that he thought he could do that to me. >> and so often, women do second-guess themselves. >> uh-huh. >> they do say, was it something i was wearing? was it something i said? was i being overly flirtatious. you do all of this soul searching. so, when you found out that you were not alone, what was that like? >> it was, honestly, like the first time i felt a little bit of closure, i guess. you know, and felt some relief. but at the same time, thinking there are others, that's not okay. you know, how many people has he done this to?
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but it really made me feel like, okay, it wasn't me, obviously. it was him. and this is a -- you know, a characteristic of his behavior. i mean, he seems to be doing this to a lot of different women. >> at least 13 women. at least 13 women. these are just the ones that we know of who have come forward. >> right. >> to accuse of president of being grossly inappropriate in some form or another. what -- during the campaign, you did decide to speak out? >> uh-huh. >> and what did you expect would happen? >> i mean, i thought people would take it seriously. i mean, being the president of the united states is such a highly regarded position, you know, you want someone, i think, of good character. and this is obviously evidence not that. you know, he certainly has some flaws. and i thought people would -- i don't know, take that into
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account at the polls. >> you're saying you and we've heard from other women also who are the accusers of donald trump before he was president feel forgotten. >> uh-huh. >> do you think it's time to speak out more? i mean, to what do you account that you think the public has forgotten about these? >> i think it's just evidence of sort of the political atmosphere these days. we're forgotten by politicians who think it's more convenient to keep trump in office, you know, have him just sweeping his indreiscretions under the rug. i think they're forgotten who want to put party above all else and that's sad because this should be fair in politics. >> we should say that president trump has denied the allegations in very forceful terms. he's called all you of you liars. in fact, there's a defamation suit against one

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