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policy team and is doing something that leader schumer has agreed with. the united states senate has over 90 votes to do this. were they lying? was it a formality? >> looks like it. because each president in succession from both parties have not done it and have always taken a waiver because it would be seen as a destabilizing move and put the practicality above the politics, and as important as the relationship to israel is, it would destablize the region. >> i appreciated the earlier interview with alisyn camerota. it's called three days of rage. it's clear. >> yeah, the pol lady ducked that. but the destabilization is a consequence and why would you do something to aggravate it? >> why does the senate have such
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bipartisan support? are they doing what people in washington have done before president trump got here to change it? why would you take a vote? why would you put yourself out there and take a vote in front of the world, really, that you don't mean? this president means it. he promised it and is delivering on it. he has been consulting with the leaders around the world and most importantly he is consulting with his national security and foreign policy team. thank you for having me. >> israel is beefing up security, so hopefully nothing happens that is horrible. i would hate to have to go there under those conditions. >> you are always welcome. i am sure i will speak to you before. the best for you and your family. >> thank you. now for the democratic response, joining us is democratic senator richard blumenthal of connecticut. i know you have been listening,
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so let's dive in with some of the things she said and the russia investigation. you heard what kellyanne conway just said, about roy moore for senate in alabama. these accusations are just accusations, unproven, and it's up to the alabama voters. what is your response? >> well, like many of my colleagues in the united states senate on both sides of the aisle, i believe the women. i believe that roy moore committed these acts of unconscionable harassment and assault, and he will be judged by the united states senate if he is elected, but i hope the voters of alabama will show not only good sense but also moral principle. there is a moral principle involved here. sexual harassment and sexual assault are never okay, and that's why we need to act
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against it here in the congress as well as every other industry. >> when you say he will be judged by his senate colleagues if he were to win, that means an eitherics committee investigation will be launched and then we will see what happens? >> there should be due process and an ethics committee investigation, and that would be a bipartisan step and then the appropriate remedies. >> let's talk about taxes. you just heard the counsel to the president said they would apply to the little guy. >> this tax plan is an atrocity economically as well as morally. one thing that has been lost here, alisyn, is not only the transfer of wealth from middle class families to the wealthiest, who benefit most from this plan, but also the immorality of saddling and burdenening our children and grandchildren with trillions of
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dollars in additional debt. the former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff said the greatest threat to our national security is the national debt. we cannot afford the kinds of weapons systems and training for our men and women and other kinds of skilled training for our civilian force that has to build the submarines because of this national debt. it is unconscionable to give giveaways to the wealthy and burden our children and grandchildren with the humongous threat. >> you want a subpoena issued for don jr., who will be appearing in front of the house intel committee, but behind closed doors, you want him to testify publicly in front of your committee.
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what do you want to know from don jr.? >> for starters, i want to know about why and how there was an exchange of e-mails between him and wikileaks in september of 2016 in the midst of the campaign talking about stolen e-mails? that is to say e-mails taken illegally by the russians from the clinton campaign. why did he continue to indicate possible cooperation and collaboration with the russians and where did he not report them and what other kinds of collaboration or cooperation was discussed. there's a credible case of objection of justice on the
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president. >> explain that. >> the president had a tweet that he says he didn't write, and it's his words no matter who drafted it, and his lawyer said the lawyer wrote them, but we all know when people draft words we own them. >> is that what you are -- that is the predicate for what you now believe is objection of justice, that tweet suggesting that he knew about mike flynn lying to the fbi? is that what you would build your case on? >> it is that tweet, but so much more. the tweet indicates that donald trump knew that michael flynn lied when he fired michael flynn, but it also indicates that he knew michael flynn lied and committed a felony when he asked jim comey to stop the investigation, and when he fired jim comey for failing to stop
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that investigation, when he called michael flynn and told him to stand strong, and when he asked the national security director and other members of the intelligence community to ease their pressure on michael flynn, and the russia investigation. the objection and evidence that may not be publicly available is under investigation by the special counsel and what now is needed very bluntly is protection for the special counsel because what we see more and more are the threats and intimidation from the white house that has to be stopped through legislation i offered, it's bipartisan legislation. >> what do you mean intimidation from the white house to the special counsel? >> they have called this investigation a witch -- >> a witch hunt. >> a witch hunt and hoax.
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he attacked the special counsel as early as sunday, and attacked the fbi. these words are very much like what we are accustomed to hearing from a criminal defendant with something to hide. >> your chairman is senator grassley. dia diane feinstein, a democratic senator said she believes grassly is not approaching this with the gust yo she would like to see. >> i hope that the pace and urgency of this investigation will be increased. senator grassley is a straight shooter and believes in uncovering wrong doing, and my hope is he will, in fact, subpoena donald trump, jr., and kushner, and the question is what did they know and when did they know it and that applies to
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vice president pence, and k.t. mcfarland, and others that may have known about contacts with the russians during the transition as well as before, during the campaign and objection of justice and the american people have a right to hear this testimony under oath and in public. >> when you bring up vice president pence, what is it that you learned that makes you want to revisit what vice president pence knows? >> great question. if you look at the statement of facts offered by the special counsel at the time of michael flynn's guilty plea, acknowledged by michael flynn, he had contacts with others in the transition before he contacted the russians about the sanctions issue. the question is was michael pence one of those transition officials and he was a principle in the transition who was consulted or directed those contacts, and we know mcfarland
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was likely one of them, and that jared kushner very likely was consulted, and was the vice president? >> understood. thank you very much for giving us your perfect ty spective on this. let's bring in people to help us synthesize it all. editor at large, the man behind the point, chris cillizza. >> please, chief synthesizer. >> known as the moog. what do you think about what you heard from kellyanne conway? let's start there. >> fascinating tv. i think what you heard there was kellyanne essentially trying to -- let's talk about roy moore, because there's a lot. let's focus on roy moore.
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focussing on democrats and anybody else asking questions about roy moore has to answer about al franken, and he says he does not takes lots of pictures, and whereas moore denies everything, so if you want to cast moral judgment on roy moore you have to cast it on al franken, too. i am not in the business of equating which is worse. the roy moore charges seem to be more serious, the accusations. the broader point is that donald trump is the president of the united states, and when he does things or chooses not to do things it matters. when president trump says i endorse roy moore, go get 'em,
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it matters. the quality we look for in presidents, it says president donald trump is either satisfied that these accusers are all lying or he doesn't care. >> josh, you are in alabama, where, of course, this race is unfolding and that's where steve bannon was yesterday, firing up the crowd. steve bannon was talking about lots of different things and reasons to support roy moore, and in fact he said that roy moore, i believe, has more integrity in his pinky finger than mitt romney does and the whole dna of his entire family, so let's play a portion of the bannon moment. >> you avoid service, brother. hiding behind religion, and you went to france to be a michigan,
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and guys were dying in vietnam. do not talk to me about honor and integrity. you ran for commander-in-chief and you had five sons, not one day of service in afghanistan and iraq. we have 7,000 dead and 52,000 casualties, and where were the romneys during those wars. >> josh, you know steve bannon. where does he get off with that logic when we all know about donald trump's deferments and his sons didn't serve? >> well, you know, his rally last night was every bit of fiery and combative as your kellyanne conway interview was. he was not there to talk about donald trump, but he was making the case that they want to take your voice away and trying to prevent you from electing roy moore. bannon went on a kind of resentment tour against not just mitt romney but mitch mcconnell, and they were people in crowds shouting out republican
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politicians that they wanted bannon to attack, and the affect it had was what bannon intended for roy moore's behalf. >> it's blindless on the military service for the trump side as well. >> on the ground there, josh, what was the take on the president's endorsement of moore? obviously it was a moore crowd, but what was resonating with them? >> what resinated with them was that it looked like republicans were moving away from trump in the wake of these revelations, and as dean young, one of moore's top strategist said, you guys held the line and steve bannon held the line and they were essentially there celebrating moore's political resurrection, and the mood in the crowd was very positive and they think they are going to win on tuesday, although some polls
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show they might not. the idea, essentially, was to keep them in the fold and keep them fired up and get them into the polls on tuesday. >> if roy moore wins, what does mitch mcconnell do, and what do the republicans that tried to thread the needle do? >> they have no idea, candidly. mitch mcconnell acknowledged, look, i tried to get rid of roy moore and it didn't work. i think the idea that he would be expelled and that republicans would lead the expulsion process, and it's like me walking out of your studio and dunking a basketball, and at 6'2", probably could but it's not going to happen. let's say roy moore wins in six days' time, and how do you take that result, because as josh
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knows it's not like the people in alabama are unaware of the situation around roy moore. how do you take that and conclude we need to get rid of this guy and not face the charge of you are overturning what the people of alabama want? if you are going to say let the voters of alabama decide, which is what mitch mcconnell says, guess what? you have to respect what they decide. i just think -- >> you are going to have to keep your arms around him when he is in there. if he wins the election, that's the likely outcome, and they will have to keep their aurpldz around him and it's not just about these accusations with the women, and not that they shouldn't be enough. but this is a man that has definite feelings about lgbt issues and about where their place is in society, and the faith in society, the ultimate standard beyond any secular
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notion. kellyanne didn't want to go near that, that and the pope. i said are you comfortable with him being owned by the gop? she said, i don't give any opinions about that. >> what is fascinating is prior to the stories breaking about the allegations against roy moore, there were lots of republicans that told me and told any reporter who would listen, this serving with roy moore, it's not going to be great. this is preallegations about his interactions with teenagers, and to your point, chris, his views about gay marriage or abortion or transgender or state and church separation. this is a guy that was massively controversial before any of this happened. i think that that is lost a little bit here but will not be. roy moore, if he gets elected,
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he would think i should probably moderate my tone. >> thank you both very much. josh, great to have you there in alabama. don trump, jr., will face tough questions from a house panel behind closed doors. what do lawmakers want to learn from him? we asked a member of that committee next. and talk to each other. [laughing] nature's bounty lutein blue. because you're better off healthy. theratears® uniquefer from the electrolyte formula, corrects the salt imbalance that causes dry eye. so your eyes will thank you. more than eye drops, dry eye therapy. theratears®. if you spit blood you may have gum problems,s and could be on the journey to much worse. try parodontax toothpaste.
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donald trump jr. will appear before the house intelligence chica committee in just a few hours to answer questions behind closed doors. here to discuss this is jackie speier a member of the senate economy. >> the conversations with wikileaks will be a hot topic this morning, and the trump organization and the number of russians that have purchased interests or condominiums and the extent to which those individuals have criminal backgrounds. >> why isn't this an open door -- >> very good question. it should be open. maybe there will be a negotiation at some point that will allow us to have an open
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hearing, and we are not in the majority and the majority calls the shots. >> your chairman decided it should be behind closed doors? >> correct. >> and is the thinking don jr. would be more forthcoming? >> i can't explain what the rational is. we have done a number of hearings where they made the transcript public, and in this case it's not going to be to my understanding, so there is no rhyme or reason for the decisions being made. i think the american people have a right to know what is going on. >> we just spoke to senator richard blumenthal of connecticut, a democrat. >> uh-huh. >> he said he believes he could make a case of objection of justice against the president. what do you think? >> i think it's piling up. i don't know that i am quite there yet, but certainly there's evidence piling up of objection of justice. >> such as? what is the evidence to you? >> well, the blatant evidence that the president tried to get
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then-director comey to stop investigating michael flynn. the fact it appears now that michael flynn actually was operating under the direction of the president and then lied on behalf of the president, which probably sets him up for a pardon at some point as well. >> how big of a deal do you see that tweet that went out this weekend that seemed to suggest that the president knew that michael flynn had lied to the fbi, that then his attorney, john dowd said, no, that was my tweet, i crafted that. do you think that's a smoking gun somehow? >> i don't know that it's a smoking gun, but it's, again, more evidence of an effort to obstruct. it is worthy of our review.
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>> i am sorry. my producer just told me something in my ear that i did not know, and it's something you and i have spoken about so often and that's sexual harassment, and it's in my industry and it's in congress and every industry in this me too moment and "time" just announced the silence breakers, the time person of the year, the women who have come forward. >> yes, i just heard it as well and i was thrilled. what a difference a year makes when you think about it. about a year ago, we had a presidential candidate who was trying to say that those who had come forward that he had sexually harassed were lying, and this year we have a "time" person of the year, persons of the year that have brought us to a new enlightenment about how you operate and how you conduct yourself in the workplace. >> of course this is a
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bipartisan issue, as we have learned. what do you think of congressman john conyers, the longest serving member of congress, he announced his retirement, resignation, call it whatever you want, yesterday after multiple staffers came forward and accused him of unwanted advances? >> i think conyers did the right thing obviously. he was going to be in for a protracted investigation, and it was not going to serve him well, and it certainly was going to be a painful process for those in congress who recognize that his many years in service have been, you know, really distinguished, but that does not take away from behavior that is not fitting for a member of congress. >> congressman jackie speier, always about to talk to you. >> thank you. there are questions brewing about what the vice president knew, mike pence, when the
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new question this morning about what the vice president knew. what did mike pence know about what michael flynn was discussing with the russian ambassador and when did he know it? the russia investigation testing the vice president's in the dark defense. joining us is a former fbi agent, and she lectures on this stuff at yale university. this will be a good testing session. the word from the white house from the vice president's team is i didn't know, and i asked flynn and he lied to me. i went on tv and i repeated lies and he wound up being dismissed as a result. good enough? >> it is sounding very suspicious. chris, i would say if you look at the timeline where these things are happening and you
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have the sanctions conversation about the end of december, and the fbi interviews flynn close to the end of january, and very soon after that sally yates, the acting attorney general at the time comes and talks to mcginn and tells him that this is a problematic situation. the question is did pence know prior to even that conversation, and when he was talking about this, that flynn had these conversations? here's why it's problematic either way. the administration has said these sanctioned conversations were a matter of normal incoming transition policy. if that's true vice president pence was the head of the transition team and he's the incoming vice president, so you would think he would know about policy discussions taking place. if he didn't know then something about those conversations, if he was kept in the dark, something about those conversations was
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just not right. >> okay. the cause, the basis for suspicion seems to be -- correct the aassertion and evaluating, was flynn discussing it with other members of the team? there are e-mails to this affect. at a minimum that moves away the speculation that he was somebody that went rogue and was an outlier and it adds to the suspicion, if all of these people knew and it was going on during the transition, how did the head of the transition not know? >> exactly. so we know that in the pleading documents, the statement of offense that flynn pleaded guilty to -- which means these are facts that mueller can actually prove that he was in communication with senior transition officials. exactly, like you said, chris, if he's in contact with senior
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transition officials about, you know, policy decisions, how can the head of the transition team not know? if they were keeping him in the dark, why? >> then my favorite question, so what? what if -- so what, he should have known and didn't know? maybe it goes to poor communication, incompetence, dislocation? he was in new york, and he was in washington, d.c., and trump's people didn't want to talk to pence's people, and whatever it is, and i don't know if any of that is true, but so what? how does this become a matter for mueller? >> it becomes a matter for mueller because, again, if this is true that vice president pence didn't know, and this is all happening in some caball of people underneath him. that makes it less ordinary. we don't know yet what that conduct was but we know sally
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yates described hit as being problematic, and something that flynn can be blackmailed about. there's clearly something there that was alarming enough for sally yates to go -- and i think that's what mueller is going to focus on and how many people were involved in that activity. >> don jr. going into talk today, and the focus will be about the lawyer that had dirt on hillary clinton. what are the potential advantages or pitfalls? >> he will have to explain himself once again. we are seeing the pattern where don jr. is kind of consistently very eager to receive dirt on hillary clinton. so it's getting more and more implausible that these are just
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accident l thinal things that w being saw li bei being s being solicited. >> so what, she ran a game on him in the meeting and used it to switch and talk about another agenda, so where is the crime in that? >> we don't know what the crime is yet, if there is one. there may not be one, chris. here is the actual truth. let's get down and dirty on this. collusion is a descriptive term to describe a criminal act called conspiracy. a conspiracy is an agreement to commit a crime. you can start to see the elements of maybe an agreement, but you still need a crime underneath it, and i think that is going to be the problematic piece in terms of what is mueller going to find there.
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you know, this may not be a chargeable thing, but it's whether or not there was some kind of quid pro quo going on. >> it could be something that politicians could go to town on if they have the votes. thank you very much, as always. >> thank you. it is time for cnn "money now." the house and senate are still ironing out the differences between the two different bills for taxes. we're looking at a fire. >> these are the raging wildfires in california. this is all of the breaking news. we have live pictures for you coming up.
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you know how busy that is. and the inferno blanketing a hillside. so much heat, so much fire, it's glowing. she took the photo as the fire jumped the 405 on her way to l.a.x. and in ventura county, hundreds had to evacuate and hundreds of homes could be lost. several different fires burning through tens of thousands of acres. more than 1,000 firefighters battling the flames and it just ain't enough. we will keep a close eye on all of this, especially as it gets closer as people, where they live. >> scary. now tech giants like twitter and facebook witnessing their platforms becoming tools for bad actors pushing misinformation. they will have to decide what
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information stays and what goes. divided we code. >> tech companies have more power than ever, companies like facebook and twitter. for so long they say we are just the pipes and not responsible for the content going through us. last year has been a rude awakening, and so many are struggling with the newfound power. take a look. >> it's the internet, we built an incredible common space, facebook, twitter, blogging platforms where anybody can show up and speak. economists had the principle that is the tragedy of the comets, which says if you have a common space and a park and everybody can go and use it without control, the tragedy is that space gets trashed. >> in the last year, russians have bought ads on facebook to
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target voters, aiming to sway an election, and an army of bots are spreading propaganda through twitter. the virtual town square is getting overrun. as a result these platforms are fall into an uncomfortable role as the gate keepers of content. a company helps protect websites from attacks. >> i woke up in a bad mood and decided nobody should be allowed on the internet. what a powerful statement. >> i think we have a right to pick and choose who we do business with? >> the company he is talking about, a neo-nazi site, the daily stormer. >> i think we should have a conversation about what the responsibility is of the plumbers. >> the decision is a trigger, and the requests started pouring in. >> i worry that having made this
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one decision that is going to be harder for us to push back against the others. >> being the referee of free speech is complicated, just ask twitter co-founder, mr. williams. >> you get editorial guidelines and then you get in an area where most tech companies are like that's not something that fits in our model or that we would be good at. >> increasingly, whether or not you like it you have to make decisions that are editorial, wouldn't you say? >> there are judgments being made all the way down the line. what the system values and what the feedback loops are. >> while tech companies have the right to make the decisions, there's the question of transparency. >> we could have said they violated section 13-g of the terms of service. >> that's bs, right? >> it's bs when we do and it is bs when any other tech company
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does it. we should own the editorial decisions. >> you don't normally see tech founders be that open about some of the things that happen, and one quick example, you look at donald trump who put out the anti-muslim tweets last weekend, and a lot of people were saying this is against twitter's hateful conduct policies, take it down, and twitter gave us a reason they were keeping it up, and it's all about the transparency. >> they also need to get their story straight. one said it's high time for a conversation, and another said it's past time for a conversation. >> absolutely. it's time for cnn money now. the house and senate are still ironing out differences in their tax bills but president trump says the final one is going to be better than either version. christine romans has more >> president donald trump
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promised the tax bill will be tremendous. >> it's going to be tremendous for jobs and the middle class. i think people see that and are seeing it more and more and the more they learn about it the more popular it becomes. >> perhaps, but it's not very popular at the moment. fresh polling shows less than one-third of americans approve of the gop tax plan and both bills promise big corporate tax cuts that add to the deficit. few americans believe they will benefit. the majority polled thinks the rich will fair best while 40% think their taxes will go up. and the losers grow over time, for example, under the senate plan 81% of americans earning the median income get a tax cut in 2019, but by 2027, only 14% still get a cut and a fourth of those middle income taxpayers actually pay more. the biggest benefits still go to the top earners.
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president trump set to make a controversial decision that the embassy will go to jerusalem. what does this mean? we talk to jerusalem' prime minister next. hi i'm joan lunde. today's senior living communities have never been better, with amazing amenities like movie theaters, exercise rooms and swimming pools, public cafes, bars and bistros even pet care services. and there's never been an easier way to get great advice. a place for mom is a free service that pairs you with a local advisor to help you sort through your options and find a perfect place. a place for mom. you know your family we know senior living. together we'll make the right choice.
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♪ give a little bit... -hello. ♪ give a little bit... ♪ ... of your love to me oh, haha. ♪ there's so much that we need to share ♪ ♪ so send a smile and show that you care ♪ ♪ i'll give a little bit of my love to you ♪ increased security at u.s. embassies across the middle east as president trump is expected to declare that united states will recognize jerusalem as the capital and move the embassy there. joining us is jerusalem mayor. thank you for being here. i know you are delighted by this decision of president trump's. tell us what this will mean for jerusalem. >> well, jerusalem is the
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capital of the jewish people and of israel for 3,000 years. behind me, where people kings walked 3,000 years ago, and everywhere you put a shovel on the ground you find jewish roots and that recognition should have been 70 years ago when israel started, and 50 years ago when jerusalem was reunited, and in 1995 when congress made that decision, and now i want to applaud president trump for fulfilling his promise and making that right move. it's the right thing to do. here in jerusalem and israel, we applaud the president. >> as you know there are all sorts of world leaders that disagree and have a different perspective, and here's a list that comes out against the move, saudi arabia, turkey, france, germany, the united kingdom, iran, syria, we just had the executive director of the plo on
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who talked about how this move, she believes, will destroy the peace process. let me play this for you. >> this isn't going to change the legal status of jerusalem, by the way, this will only undermine american standing throughout the world and it will disqualify the u.s. from playing a role in any peace making. >> she said it was irresponsible and doesn't change the status of jerusalem. what is your response? >> the response is the president is following his heart and history and saying and doing the right thing. there's no peace agreement without jerusalem being the capital of the jewish people in the state of israel. from our perspective it's a simple decision to make, and whoever thinks there could be peace without making jerusalem the capital of the jewish people
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does not understand the jewish people. if anybody tries to detour us by violence will not succeed. we will continue our path and do the right thing and, again, thank god, the americans and the president of the united states made that decision. >> do you worry about violence? do you think this will cause violence? >> well, you know, the state of israel would never be what it is today if we would be detoured by violence. unfortunately our neighbors sometimes challenge us, and sometimes they do it for no reason. just two years ago there was incitements for no reason, and meaning we have to stick to it and if they become violent, they will pay a heavy price.
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we are not detoured by threats of any kind. >> what about this will impede the peace process and i know you say there cannot peace without this move, and the palestinians feel there could be no peace with this move. now what? >> well, jerusalem is the capital of israel and the jewish people, as a condition if not met there will never be any peace. the clarity is now brought to the table by president trump and he says to the palestinians, let's do a deal with this framework of jerusalem being the capital of the jewish people, otherwise any other deal would be a bad deal and we prefer no deal than a bad deal so any deal has to include the element of the jerusalem being the capital of jerusalem, and there's no doubt that prime minister netanyahu will navigate in the
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process in a smart way with the help of the president of the us. i trust them they will know how to navigate the negotiations with the palestinians. >> we will see what unfolds over the next days and weeks. thank you. cnn "newsroom" with poppy harlow will pick up after this very quick break. we will see you tomorrow. ll abo. and we'd like you to be part of ours. so our chevy employee discount is now available to everyone. you pay what we pay. not a cent more. we're so happy to share this with you. it's our way of saying happy holidays. and welcome to the family... the chevy family. use your employee discount for everyone and trade up to this silverado all star to get a total value of over eleven thousand dollars. find new roads at your local chevy dealer.
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top of the hour. 9:00 a.m. eastern. 6:00 a.m. on the west coast. we do have breaking news out of california where fast-moving wildfires across southern california, one near the getties center, and part of it forcing the closer of the busy 405 freeway. let's go to stephanie elam, she joins us in ventura, california. there was talk winds may not be as bad and they could get relief, and it doesn't look like that this morning. >> reporter: it's calmer where i am standing, but i am in ventura. where you are looking, it's in the san fernando valley down maybe go into beverly hills, and maybe some of them go
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