new details are emerging from donald trump jr.'s testimony on capitol hill about that june 2016 trump tower meeting where he was promised dirt on hillary clinton. his story about that meeting changed multiple times after the news broke. he said in a statement that it was about russian adoption, a statement that the president had a hand in putting together and a statement that was proven to be misleading and incomplete at best. trump junior testified about the

statement before a house committee today and manu raju joins us now with the latest. let's talk about this testimony. last hour i was talking to congressman swalwell. i understand that donald trump jr. evoked attorney/client privilege when asked about conversations with his father. >> yeah, that's right. that was earlier this year after the initial reports came out about the trump tower meeting from june of 2016. now, what donald trump jr. told the committee today was that he could not disclose this meeting that did occur after those initial reports came up, the meeting between him and his father, because of attorney/client privilege because it occurred in the presence of attorneys who were in the room. now, you'll recall, anderson, how this played out. first "the new york times" reported this story. there was an initial statement that was misleading about exactly what that meeting was about. we know that he was promised dirt on the clinton campaign. and then afterwards, he met with

his father. once he released on twitter all of those e-mails that occurred in the run-up to the meeting where he was clearly promised dirt on the clinton campaign. so that was the first time that he said he talked to his father. presumably they talked about all these issues, but he would not disclose the contents of that conversation because he said simply there were attorneys in the room and he couldn't do that. >> and trump junior is now saying he communicated with hope hicks, not the president, about the trump tower meeting response. >> yeah, that's right. initially right afterwards, we are told that donald trump jr. said today that he texted with hope hicks, the now communications director, about that initial response to the story that was coming out in times and as i mentioned, that was misleading at first about saying it was mostly about russian adoptions, not mentioning the fact that he was promised dirt from the russians on the clinton campaign and that he was told that this was all part of a russian government effort to help his father's campaign. that was not included in that

initial response. but we know from our own independent reporting that president trump was involved in the drafting of the response on air force one, was in communications with hope hicks. but donald trump jr. himself said he was talking to hope hicks and this raises some questions too, anderson, because some legal experts say that, look, there was a criminal investigation going on and the white house seems to have been misdirecting an misleading the public about what was going on and perhaps trying to mislead investigators as well. >> i also understand that you have new reporting about michael flynn. >> earlier today, elijah cummings, the top democrat on the house oversight committee, said that he had a whistleblower who could provide information about michael flynn on the day of donald trump's inauguration exchanging a text message with a business colleague about nuclear projects that they wanted to move forward with in the middle east, part of a project with russia. and he told this colleague that they were good to go on this

project because he assured them that the trump administration as part of its first moves would roll back sanctions on russia. now, this is according to this whistleblower's account. now, cummings gave this information before today to the special counsel's office. we know the special counsel reached a plea agreement with michael flynn who pleaded guilty to lying to the fbi. the question is what do the republicans in congress do on this. trey gowdy, the chairman of that committee, said that's not something for his committee to look at. the house intelligence should look at that instead. >> all right, thanks very much. a lot to talk about with the panel. i have my lawyer on speakerphone so we're totally covered in attorney/client privilege. nobody else will be able to repeat what see say. have you -- i mean i'm just going to throw this out for the panel. have you ever heard of somebody claiming attorney/client privilege just because there's an attorney in the room? >> i am a lawyer.

the privilege is between the lawyer and her or his client. that's the privilege. so that clients can talk to their lawyers in confidence. there's a priest/penitant privilege. there's a spousal privilege in many states where spouses can't -- there's not a daddy dearest privilege. you know, fans of "the godfather" know freddo never should have turned on the don. this is nuts and is never going to stand up if the republicans subpoena him, but i don't know if they will. >> isn't it also if another person is present it's not attorney/client privilege either, right? the idea is it's between two people. >> they can ask that third person and she can testify or he can testify. but we understand why we need that. we want clients to talk to their lawyers. >> i think there's a bigger point that we're missing that don jr. went up to the hill today and he testified. and the biggest news coming out

of that is a process story about who was maybe in the room and attorney/cloint privilege or the fact that he was speaking with hope hicks and not the president directly on air force one. if there had been something particularly compelling that was said today -- >> isn't that what we're talking about? he wouldn't say what was talked about because it was covered by attorney/client privilege so if he was subpoenaed and forced to maybe there would be -- >> for one of the first times a little faith in my president's legal team is restored here. or finally these guys just quit talking. quit blabbering. haven't seen leaks. but if there was something that was said today, of course the members on the hill would have leaked that out in two seconds. >> the only reason why you come up with a cockamamie legal strategy is to conceal something. if everything was above board we wouldn't be talking about this, this crazy use of attorney/client privilege. >> by the way, he could have waived attorney/client privilege which doesn't exist but he could have waived it anyway.

>> we have to remember something here and i've said this from the very beginning. donald trump jr. and his role in all of this could be very important when it comes to russia. follow the money. president trump and his businesses have done business with russians, russian banks, russian money, all kinds of russian deals, oligarchs for years. donald trump jr. himself back in 2008 said that a majority of their assets come from russian money. he bragged about it. trump has tried to do business in moscow for 30 years. he's been fascinated with it. he has hundreds of millions of dollars of debt that are owned by international banks, including deutsche bank, which now -- $374 million i believe there. now deutsche bank is from we understand reported the mueller investigation is looking into those records to see what's going on. what's famous about deutsche bank, they have gotten into trouble and been famous for money laundering with russians. there's a lot of things here concerning russia, money and business and trump has always

said that if mueller crossed a red line into their finances, then we might see something happen there, potentially firing him. so i would pay attention to what comes out of anything donald trump jr. says and where mueller is going with that in addition to what the committees are doing in the house and senate because of those ties to russia. >> do you think it likely that the republicans on that committee would subpoena donald trump jr. to come back and compel him to say -- >> i don't know, good question. i don't think it's out of the question that they would do it. i think a lot of people are predicting there's no way they would do it. i'm not sure that's true. i think they legitimately want to get to the bottom of thing. paul and i were here the night with you that this story broke about air force one staff being involved in dictating donald junior's response. we were talking about it earlier. i couldn't help but think about that night because we said the staff on that plane is going to get roped into this. here we are with poor hope hicks who's going to get roped into this. so i regret for the staff that was on the plane that they're now going to incur all these

legal costs and have to go answer all these questions. i don't know if they did anything wrong. the anxiety and all that goes into having to testify in a matter like this, it is significant, especially when you're the white house communications director, like hope is. she's already under a lot of stress. and so it's a bad thing that's occurred. i'm sure some people who are doing their level best to serve their country now are going to get roped into it. >> the other thing is robert mueller is not going to stand for invoking of attorney -- of a nonexistent attorney/client privilege, i would imagine. >> right. you have a fifth amendment privilege, and i'm not saying that he would assert that, but you do have privileges. you can refuse to answer or you can just be in contempt. this happened in several cases where the prosecutor can't get a witness to cooperate, a judge can find you guilty of contempt. he has options. but the most important thing is that he not lie. at least he put up a cockamamie excuse to not talk about a conversation, but that's better than lying, i've got to say.

but i've said this from the beginning too. these people are going to get hung up on lying. mr. mueller is not going to tolerate that and he's going to know. he's going to know everything. he's going to know more than that witness. that's the problem with these things is when the prosecutors know a lot more than you, your only recourse is to tell the truth. >> i think it's also good discipline that they recognize the fact that basically capitol hill is a circus. and it's ultimately mueller's team that they need to make sure that they're focused on an tell the truth to. the capitol hill, they're not the ones with actually the legal power. that's basically just a big pr stunt. >> well, i guess maybe they're testing out this strategy with the house members because it's not going to work with mueller. you're not going to think you're going to outsmart anyone on mueller's team. if they think they're going to do that, they're in for quite a surprise. >> get a quick break up. a majority of democratic senators calling on al franken to resign amid sexual harassment allegations. will he? plus we're less than a week from the special election in the alabama senate race.

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there is a possibility that he won't resign tomorrow. do you think that's a real possibility? >> i think it's a very slight possibility. i think the expectation is that he will resign. when you have pretty much the entire party turn against you, i think it's hard to fight against that. look, i think what happened based on conversations that i've had with people who sort of know the story of how this came to be was a lot of the women senators had been very upset about this, the women democratic senators and were kind of giving him the space to work through this. then when we had the sixth accuser come out, it got to this place where we've given you time to decide to do the right thing and you're not doing it so they had to call on him to resign. they like him, they respect him but they don't want to look like they're enabling this kind of behavior. >> and politically it makes sense if the democrats want to have an upper hand on this issue, considering what the republican party is doing with roy moore, there is no way that they could stand by and allow the al franken situation to go

without calling for his resignation at this point with multiple accusers. i think he would have survived if it had just been the one. now when you start getting multiple accusers here, it just looks -- it just does not look good. you can't -- >> there's also commonality among most of the incidents. >> same thing with roy moore. there's a commonality with that. they were all teenage girls and i think that at least it's better late than never in a situation like that because republicans are looking at never with the support of roy moore, which is just despicable. >> it is striking that to my knowledge only one republican senator, 30 democrats have called on their fellow democrat who is popular, who's really well liked and well respected among his colleagues but 30 democrats have and susan collin of maine. so maybe franken's last-ditch effort he could switch parties because apparently he'd be welcomed there. roy moore, donald trump. >> i think we've met the quota. he'd fit right in. >> there was a statement issued that he didn't see how franken could continue to serve adds all

of this was unfolding today. i think what is setting up is a situation where if roy moore makes it to washington, he's going to face similar kinds of pressure. the difference, of course, is that roy moore has been removed from a political office not once but twice already. i doubt that if a bunch of people called on him to resign he would care. and so in his case, the senate ethics committee process may be the only process that could ever move him towards not being in the senate. with franken, obviously he's thinking through the politics of it. i don't think mor would succumb to that pressure. >> you do have this asymmetrical accountable. john conyers, was also called on by the leader of the party to resign. he's going to retire. now senator franken, vast majority of his colleagues calling on him to resign. meanwhile, the republican party and republican president are campaigning for a man accused of far worse than senator franken was accused of and the president himself boasted of his sexual assault. republicans across the country voted for him.

>> what you need to remember here is it is risky for senator gillibrand to have done this because franken is so popular with the democratic base and the democratic base is angry that franken is being held accountable and trump is not being held accountable. i don't agree with that, i think they need to hold people accountable based on their own principles but it wasn't easy for democratic senators to turn against franken because they could pay a price f that with the base administrat the base. >> i have to commend the democrats who came out today. >> how can you say that. >> i encourage the same with bob menendez. >> you're happy that they did it but nobody did it with donald trump and there are more people accused -- >> donald trump wasn't true. flat, period. >> franken says it's not true. >> no, franken admitted. >> no, franken did not. >> yes, he did. >> the only thing fraeng franken has admitted to but things where

he tried to kiss people, he groped people, he has denied every one of those things. so you're saying he should resign because of a picture but donald trump should not resign because of accusations of sexual assault. >> franken admitted it. >> no, he didn't. >> why is he stepping down? >> because he has all this pressure from the democratic party. the only thing he's admitted to is the thing we have a picture of. everything else, he said he has not groped anybody or forcibly kissed anybody. >> do you think he's wrongly being accused? >> no, i believe the women. i don't think people -- i mean we have consistent stories of all these different things happening to different people, same story basically. i believe them. i'm with senator gillibrand. she said i believe these women. >> after next tuesday when roy moore wins, we can get rid of roy moore, bob menendez and the senator will be a better place. >> bob menendez, i'm not one to defend a democrat that was brought up on corruption charges, but he was acquitted. >> it was a hung jury. >> the jury was 10-2 in favor of

acquittal. >> it's going come pack up. it's not done. >> so you're saying bob menendez should resign even though he's exonerated? >> it's a corruption trial. he's not exonerated. this is far from being done. >> they're not going to retry him because of what he just said, 10-2. they're thought going to retry him. >> what does democrats do have to do with roy moore being credibly accused of being a child molester and republicans should not be backing him. >> so you don't think bob menendez did anything wrong? >> but in the court of law he wasn't convicted so we move on to someone who has credible charges against him. roy moore. >> roy moore hasn't been convicted of anything either. >> but he has credible charges based off what you just said if al franken should resign, then roy moore should have stepped aside. >> that's what i said. get rid of moore and menendez, the senate will be a better place. >> miss leeds was enter viewed by anderson in the last hour. a woman who has a very specific and horrifying account of being

assaulted by donald trump on an airplane. and her allegation comports precisely with the language donald trump used in the "access hollywood" tape bragging about how he grabs women by the prooif privates because even for a foul mouthed potty mouth like me it's too coarse. that matches up perfectly. he is a bragging sexual assaulter and the entire republican party reveres him. >> and then we had a national election and president trump won and i think it was definitely argued out in front of people across the country. >> so that's okay then? >> people made their decision. the president said it didn't happen. obviously she's -- >> he bragged about it. >> i think the prevailing issue right now, i mean it's gotten much bigger lately in a lot of different sectors and i don't think most people want to see people in different parties treated differently. and so if you believe that al franken should resign, by definition, you don't believe that roy moore should be in the senate. if you're sitting at home tonight thinking, yeah, i'm glad franken is gone and i'm voting

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incomplete, misleading and manipulative. that's a quote. so you don't believe any of these women, but you believe roy moore who was removed from office after being found to be not credible and misleading? >> first off, when we talk about believing the women, i would ask the question of maybe some lacrosse players at duke university, ask them if they believe every woman who makes an accusation. if we did a lynch mob media against innocent people as we did with lacrosse, there would be some lacrosse players in jail right now. let's look at what the judge did. he stood for the ten command minutes. he said that i have the freedom of religion to display these commandments. >> actually what the judge did was violated state and federal regulations and she was he was from the supreme court for that and four years later he misled the judges by saying he didn't order probate judges not to marry same-sex couples. they said he was essentially lying. >> here's what really happened. having been down here in

alabama, i'm learning a whole lot about what's going on. and one of the things that i learned is that what the rule of law really means is that you follow the constitution, not activist judges acting outside the constitution. >> you're telling me alabama has a lot of activist judges? >> pardon me? >> you're tell me the judges, all of whom voted against him and took him off the court, they're all activist judges? >> well, judge -- judge roy moore was sworn to uphold the constitution of the state of alabama and the constitution of the united states of america and that's what he was following. >> let me understand. he took an oath to mislead, he took an oath to manipulate? he took an oath that endangered probate judges? >> no. don't put words into this formula. >> i'm telling you what the judges found him guilty of. >> he took an -- well, you know what, sometimes rulings aren't necessarily accurate. i mean there's all kinds of things that can be said about someone, but what he did is quite different. >> let me tell you what roy moore said about those judges.

he said -- >> the constitution of the united states. >> he at the time said those judges were radical homosexuals and transgendered activists. do you really believe that the judges on the alabama court of the judiciary are radical homosexuals and transgendered people? >> i really don't know about the judges and what their orientation happens to be. >> i thought you would have looked to see if they are homosexuals or transgendered people running the court. >> it matters not to me. what matters is we have someone willing to defend our religious liberty, defend marriage as the constitution as he's sworn to uphold the constitution. >> i do want to quickly ask you about where the judge stands on a number of issues that he's spoken of in the past but not as much recently because we haven't obviously been able to get to him directly. does judge moore still believe homosexual conduct should be ill local and homosexuality is the same thing as beastiality? >> well, i think that what judge moore -- i can't answer that question, but what i can answer. >> that's what he said in the past. can you get back to us on that

one? >> and regarding that issue, if you want to talk about making sure we don't have sexual predators -- >> no, i'm not talking about sexual predators, i'm talking about anybody that's homosexual, gay, lesbian people. >> you've got to let me answer, cooper. mr. anderson cooper. he wants to put out a welcome mat in front of these young girls, if you are a junior high school girl or high school girl, what abortion jones is saying is we're putting out a welcome mat to any boy who's feeling like a girl that day, he's free to walk into the bathroom, the locker room with his camera phone and shower with your daughter. they're not going to take the radical position -- he says i can't tell you i won't take your gun away. >> can you get back to us -- >> he said i can't tell you i won't take your religious liberty away. that's where abortion jones stands. >> can you get back to us on whether or not he thinks homosexuality should be legal? >> i believe he believes the bible. >> can you get back to us? if you don't want to answer that question, that's fine.

but can you get back to us? >> i can look into that for you. >> does he still think 9/11 may have happened -- does he still believe 9/11 may have happened because we distanced ourselves from god? that's what he said in the past. does he still believe this? >> you know, this is the thing. a lot of people talk about god and how they're christians. in fact if you look at the commercials of roy moore's opponent, he's telling everybody what a great christian he is and how he defends -- >> you don't know the answer about 9/11 either, do you? >> i don't know the answer to 9/11, no, i'm sorry. >> does he still believe an american citizen who's a muslim should not be able to serve in congress? >> i think that what he's getting at there is that we believe in the rule of law by the constitution, not sharia law. i think that's really the bottom line and what we're looking at. >> he said that keith ellison should not be used to swear on the koran. >> he'll lose his job if he has to to stand for that constitution. >> so you don't know the answer to that either? whether he still believes that? >> i believe his position has to

do with whether we follow the constitution or the ridiculously oppressive to women sharia law. >> does he think keith ellison shouldn't get to swear on the koran. >> if you want somebody that's for women's rights -- >> i get that you don't want to answer these questions and that's cool but i'd rather you say you don't want to answer them rather than ignore them. >> i'm answering them. he picks the constitution over sharia law and the people of alabama agree. >> does he still believe that sharia law exists and communities in the u.s. are being ruled by sharia law? >> i think he sees that there is a movement toward that. if you look -- >> that's not what he said. he said there were communities being run by sharia law. does he still believe that? >> well, there are communities overseas that are being run -- >> no, not in the united states. >> i'm not sure if there's any in america but there's a movement toward that and he stands for the constitution. that's what you know. >> if you could get back to us on that, that would be great too. >> he's going to fight -- he's going to fight -- i've already told you what i know and that is the constitution should trump any -- >> you tell us what you know but

you don't know what his position is. as his spokesperson, i'd love to hear his position. does he still believe barack obama wasn't born in the united states? >> i can tell you with confidence that this is the dgu that stood with the constitution when it cost him everything. he's been through the fire and he's come out gold. that's what the people of alabama know and they're not going to be bullied. they're not going to be told what to do by the lynch mob media and not going to be told what to do by pro abortion democrats. >> two more questions. >> that's what we're going to see six more tadays from now. >> does he still believe that the u.s. has become the focus of evil in the world because the u.s. promotes things in his words like same-sex marriage? >> you know, you can ridicule biblical beliefs if you want. >> i'm not ridiculing, i'm asking you -- i'm giving you quotes of exact he what your candidate has said. you're the spokes perperson and seem unwilling -- i know you're not from alabama but you seem not to know what his positions are or unwilling to tell me what his positions are. >> it's very public knowledge

that he stood for marriage between one man and one woman as it has been for 200 years in the united states. that's not a secret. >> i'm just wondering does he still believe the u.s. is the focus of evil in the modern world? that's a pretty bold statement. >> he has stood for the constitution and that's really what it's all about. it comes down to who do you want to represent the people of alabama. >> i appreciate your time, janet porter. thank you very much. >> more of that sinterview is online. the election in alabama is five days away. when we come back, more breaking news. the white house admits the president's recognition of jerusalem as the capital of israel hurts the peace process. we'll hear from the chief negotiator, next. i love you, couch. you give us comfort. and we give you bare feet, backsweat, and gordo's... everything. i love you, but sometimes you stink. soft surfaces trap odors. febreze fabric refresher cleans them away for good. because the things you love the most can stink.

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palestinian administrator just before air. here's that conversation. when the president says that this is a long overdue step to advance the peace process and to work toward a lasting agreement, to that you say what? >> i say president trump became part of the problem, not part of the solution. he knows very well that we were engaged with him and his team very seriously in good faith in order to achieve the ultimate deal. and the main principle between us as we agreed with the israelis no side should take any steps that preempt or prejudge issues of status including jerusalem. then comes president trump to announce that jerusalem is the united capital of israel. that's dictation, not negotiation. i think what he did tonight, he really disqualified the united states from any future role in peace making. that's the honest truth. he's rewarding the israeli government for a settlement activities, dictation, human rights violations and the system

that they are creating. the fact is such a speech on jerusalem with all its history, religion, what it means to muslims, jews, christians, arabs, and this decision in order to -- i don't know, for other reasons, but that's destroying the two-state solution, that is destroying moderates like us in the region and that's crowning extremists in this region. >> so are you saying that the u.s. no longer can be viewed as an honest broker in the peace process? >> anderson, i know that the united states was always biased towards israel and i know israel is part of america's political life, but we had an agreement that no side should preempt or prejudge issues. now comes the american congress and issue -- comes the state department to issue a an order for the office in washington.

and president trump instructing people to move the embassy. what's left? if you can dictate before negotiations begin. you want to dictate security. i'm saying that we -- this issue should be left to negotiations between the two parties. now the united states, president acts more israeli than the israelis. what's left for him to play a role with me and the israelis. >> the president did say that the u.s. isn't taking a position of any final status issues, including the specific boundaries of the israeli sovereignty in jerusalem or the resolution of contested borders. do you believe he left the door open for jerusalem also being the capital of a future palestinian state? >> i don't think so because what he said over due that jerusalem is the capital of the jewish state, israel, and then he said united. so by the fact when president trump says i say israel,

whatever it is, he's dictating and accepting israel's annexation of jerusalem and we told him it's meaningless to have a palestinian state without jerusalem as its capital. >> so what happens now? palestinian authority officials are prepared if necessary to sever ties to the white house. is that in the cards? would you support that? >> no, look, look, i think it's premature to jump to things now. i think there will be an emergency meeting for the palestine central council, which is the highest body for the plo. maybe in the next two or three days. and then they will study this and make the decisions and announce it. i think personally speaking, i think if the two states are undermined, palestinians should focus on one state equal rights. judaism to us was never a threat, will never be a threat. it is one of god's great religions, like krchristianity, like islam. i think if the israelis and the president believe in dictating,

i believe the palestinian struggle should not speak about two states as president trump mentioned, i think our struggle should focus on equal rights. settlements or peace, ike the israeli governments have chosen. settlements, i think the president of the united states have decided to reward such settlement activities and such violations committed by israel, and he himself is violating american positions, violating international law, violating terms of reference provided for by the peace process and above all providing agreements signed between us and the israelis, not to dictate but rather negotiate issues for permanent status including jerusalem. >> what does that mean, you say focus on equal rights as opposed to a two-state solution. are you saying that if this continues that palestinians should not be seeking a two-state solution? >> i don't think we can anymore. if the president of the united states decides that jerusalem is the capital of israel and he wants to push the world to do that, it's meaningless. we told him it's meaningless to

have a palestine state without jerusalem as its capital. >> i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you. >> back now with the panel. joining the conversation is peter bynart. peter, how do you see the president's decision today? >> i think what he said is very important. if the two-state solution dies, bh what you will see is a mass movement for one state of equal rights between palestinians and jews which will mean the end of a jewish state of israel. >> how so? >> because if there is a -- if there is an equal democratic state for all people between the mediterranean and the jordan, it won't have a jewish majority and it won't have a jewish character. that's where the palestinian national movement is going. not because people like him want it to go there but this president and the israeli prime minister are foreclosing the possibility of a palestinian state. it's important to understand the reason previous presidents didn't recognize israeli control. 40% of the people who live in the city of jerusalem are not israeli citizens. they are palestinians who live without basic rights. they are not israeli citizens, they're not palestinian citizens

because there's no palestinian state. so what previous american presidents said is when there's a palestinian capital in east jerusalem and those people have basic human rights, we will recognize israeli's legitimacy over west jerusalem. by giving that to benjamin netanyahu, what you're basically doing is giving him the blessing to never allow a palestinian capital in east jerusalem and as he rightly said, a palestinian state without a palestinian capital in east jerusalem is like a state in westchester with no actress to new york city. it's absurd. so you're killing the two-state solution and moving palestinians toward a push for a one-state solution. >> even if the president says today we're leaving open the possibility of not defining the boundaries of a palestinian capital. >> you've destroyed the palestinians leverage. the palestinians are a very weak party. they're not a state, they don't have an army. the one thing they have on their side is recognition. is the idea that the world will withhold recognition of israel in certain ways until it comes to terms with the palestinians.

if you give benjamin netanyahu that recognize without him having to give the palestinians anything, which is what he wants, you've cut the palestinians off at the knees. that's what i think he was trying to say. >> this has been u.s. law for 22 years. republican presidents, democrat presidents, on june the 5th of this year, 90 united states senators voted to affirm this as the position of the u.s. government. donald trump ran his campaign pledging to rebuild the u.s. relationship with israel and we can see the israeli response today. they're extremely happy. our relationship with israel was left in tatters by the obama administration. i think what donald trump has done is to rebuild that relationship. most americans and certainly most people who support the president are going to see this the way israel sees it. but i want to stress, this is a bipartisan position. virtually everybody who's run for president has taken this position. 90 u.s. senators on june the 5th. i think we're generating a lot of controversy because people hate the president, not because they want to recognize the

political reality in the united states. >> let's not lose sight of the fact that the president came out today and said he's in support of a two-state solution. >> no, he didn't say that. he said he would support a two-state solution if the parties agree on it, which is the different than the position george w. bush, barack obama -- no, they took the position that was american policy. >> the palestinians are not committed to a two-state solution. >> no, the palestinians have a specific proposal on the tail for a two-state solution. they're saying that the two-state solution is being destroyed in front of them. >> because they don't want to negotiate in good faith. >> no, actually if you look at the negotiations, they negotiated in extremely good faith. >> he also said in the interview, which i don't know that we played that part, if the president had said, you know, i recognize jerusalem is the capital for israel, east jerusalem as the future capital of the palestinian state, that would have been different than what he actually said, which he made no mention of that. >> get something for it. this has been -- that's exactly

right. it's a bipartisan position in america and been our law for 22 years that we're going to move our embassy to jerusalem, jerusalem is the capital of israel. why have we not done it? jerusalem is the most difficult piece of real estate on god's earth so we don't want to take one tiny piece of that final status and preempt it. we could have gotten a lot for this, a lot. and did donald trump in part was elected, the art of the deal. i can make a deal. he just gave away his most powerful piece of leverage in the most dangerous territory on earth. >> we're going to continue that. it was a campaign promise, the president followed through on it, one of several he's kept. we'll get into that next. you'll ask, "what pulled muscle?" "what headache?" nothing works faster to make pain a distant memory. advil liqui-gels and advil liqui-gels minis. what pain? advil liqui-gels and advil liqui-gels minis. i've asked chase sapphire reserve cardmembers to find my next vacation. uganda, what are you up to? that's a real silverback gorilla.

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whether you agree with his positions or not, president trump has kept a number of his campaign promises, including with his campaign announcement in the middle east. >> i have determined that it is

time to officially time to recognize jerusalem of the capital of israel. previous presidents have made this a major campaign promise, they failed to deliver. today i am delivering. >> back now to the panel, to the point -- you made it earlier, this is something politicians have promised for years, they run it and ignore it when they get in office. he did follow through. >> from both parties, this season the just a republican or democrat thing, politicians from both sides have been doing this for decades. he had the fool through and a lot of other campaign promises i think there's one captain obvious point here that no one's made tonight. jerusalem is israel's capital. that's where they have their

center of government. who are we to come in and say, you might think that's your capital, but we're not going to recognize it. >> we are supposed to be an honest broker role in this dispute. i think there is an argument against doing it. there's a reason people said they didn't do it. it's not because they were just wanton campaign promise breakers, it's because they recognize it could lead to a lot of instability and problems and make it more difficult to achieve an agreement. >> at this point, now, i think the risk -- there's a risk in doing this, i happen to agree with trump's decision to do is this, actually, jerusalem is the rightful capital of israel, and it has been for a long time. the fact that this is not new. it is a bipartisan effort, people need to remember that, chuck schumer was a sponsor of

that resolution in june. so it -- i think that this may not necessarily kill a potential peace plan there. obviously this has been a challenge for many years, i'm thinking it's an effort, it may never happen. i think there's a little bit of overstatement about how this is going to destroy any idea of peace. i mean, it -- for israel, any move forward for a peace plan has to have an acknowledgement that jerusalem is israel's capital, or else it's a nonstarter. you're never going to have a peace plan without that element of it. it's hyperbolic to say this has blown everything up. iz wrael would never negotiate unless that was included. >> there are sacred spaces for jews that need to be protected. israel occupied east jerusalem in 1967 and the palestinians who live in east jerusalem are not

palestinian citizens. israel does not have democratic legitimacy in east jerusalem. if you want to say israel should be praised for being a democracy, it's not a democracy. one thing on the bipartisan point. the vietnam war was a bipartisan effort. we know well, democrats and republicans can get together in pursuit of things that make no sense. this makes no sense. >> the holy site in jerusalem has been protected internationally while everyone has controlled those areas. something that didn't happen. >> it's extremely difficult for palestinians from the west bank, especially men under the age of 40 to get into east jerusalem to pray at the mosque, because they can't go to -- >> terrorism -- >> no, most in the west bank are not interested in committing terrorism, israel has a brutal control of movement in the west bank for palestinians. the latest on the fast moving fires burning in california, crews trying to get

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only 5% contained, if you look off to my right shoulder, this is northwest of the city of ventura, this is where it's burning close to the pacific ocean, it seems that every canyon, every ridge is ablaze, the firefighters cannot go up there too dangerous to try to fight it with hand crews, they have to let it burn down toward the 101 freeway and the pacific ocean, the concern, of course, you can see these embers in the air, if they land on the roof or hit a house or a tree, they can spot fire and that can cause more damage to homes. another point they made, they say 150 structures have been burned. they didn't raise that number at all, they confirmed that they are going to have more structures burned, they don't have the ability right now to go out there and do the kind of damage assessment as they call it, to go ahead and count how many homes have burned, anderson? >> you see those trees on fire right now. >> there are more fires threatening other parts of southern california as well?

>> there are. this is the big one, what you got is, you saw there was that fire you talked about on the 405 freeway. there's other fires in los angeles county. and so you basically have a situation where they are spreading resources as best they can. pure understanding of ventura county, i can see the mud flaps from monterrey county, and others who have come from los angeles, they have to be so mindful to not put all of their resources into one region, that can leave a place vulnerable, and the next thing you know, that area can go up, and they won't have the firefighters to defend it, it's a real conundrum right now, these winds and fires have been so bad. >> they're fighting it overnight? >> they are. they're keeping crews overnight, they're working in shifts. this fire alone here in ventura county, they estimate there's going to be 2,000 firefight ares on the line, some of them will come from out of state, and i

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