tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN December 11, 2017 10:00pm-11:00pm PST
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welcome back. breaking news tops the hour. with just a few hours left before alabama voters choose a u.s. senator, the final big events of a truly consequential campaign the choice certainly stark. democrat doug jones and republican roy moore. moore, of course, clouded in controversy, accused of sexually abusing a 14-year-old, sexually assaulting a 16-year-old. he denies the allegations, is getting the support of president trump and other conservatives. not, however, from the staunchly conservative senior senator from the state, republican richard shelby. more voters heard from steve bannon tonight. charles barkley weighed in for doug jones at a rally there. kaitlan collins is at the moore event. alex marquardt at the jones rally. want to go to kaitlan first. steve bannon just spoke at the rally. what was his final message for moore supporters? >> reporter: well, anderson, steve bannon has been one of roy
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moore's longest and most ardent supporters in this race, even sticking by him despite those allegations. he was at his last public event last week. tonight he was attempting to fire up the crowd to get out and vote tomorrow. steve bannon, who's from virginia, was telling this crowd here in alabama tonight not to let someone outside of the state attempt to sway their vote, but he got the biggest cheers of the night when he brought up the republican establishment in washington. >> to mitch mcconnell and senator shelby and -- and condi rice and all that -- all that little -- little bobby corker, all that establishment up there, all that establishment up there every day that doesn't have trump's back.
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you know they don't have his back at all. what they want him for is that corporate tax cut. that's all they want him for. as soon as they get that tax cut, you watch what happens. there is a special place in hell for republicans who should know better. >> reporter: now, steve bannon seemed to be taking a direct shot at ivanka trump there, anderson, who, as you know, when these first allegations against roy moore came out, said that people who prey on children deserve a special place in hell. >> how is the moore campaign feeling heading into the final hours before polls open? he hasn't been out on the campaign trail, i think you said since last tuesday. i don't know if that's a sign of, you know, them feeling really good or just wanting to avoid mistakes. >> reporter: anderson, it seems to be a level of confidence, because unlike doug jones, they've not been going door-to-door and meeting with supporters and knocking on doors.
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they've done zero public events since last tuesday, which is highly unusual, especially the days leading up to an election that is as highly contested as this in the state of alabama. certainly something that the jones campaign has been touting. they released some numbers today, saying they've done hundreds of events in the last two months and knocked on 80,000 doors this weekend alone. but for right now, anderson, the moore campaign strategy seems to be laying low and letting president trump do the talking here in alabama. >> kaitlan collins, thanks very much. i want to go to alex marquardt in birmingham where a jones event just wrapped up. alex, what was doug jones' closing message tonight? >> reporter: well, the jones campaign tactic has been exactly the opposite. as kaitlan was mentioning, they've been beating down doors, they've been holding rally after rally. the message that we have been hearing from them could really be boiled down to four words, get out the vote. he is pleading with people to go out tomorrow and vote. he needs every single vote that he can get. the reason so many democrats in this state, so many democrats across the country, are excited
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about this election is it's the best chance they have for a democrat to represent alabama in the senate in a quarter century. doug jones just wrapped up moments ago, but he said in his speech that this is the most significant election our state has seen in a long time. he framed it also as wanting alabama to be on the right side of history. that was a reference to the moment this country is experiencing, the me too movement, which, of course, roy moore has featured in prominently. this notion that alabama has been embarrassed by roy moore over the past 40 years with all the controversies swirling around him, it's been a major talking point for doug jones. in particular in light of these allegations of sexual misconduct and child molestation. so during the speech, jones also took aim at the supporters of roy moore. including the president, though he didn't mention him by name. saying so many people here in alabama, essentially, are choosing a child molester over a democrat. here's what he had to say in his speech. >> we have heard so many people
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that have decided, well, you know what, i'm not going to worry about the fact that roy moore has been kicked out of office twice, i'm not going to worry about the fact that he took money from a charity, and, you know what, i believe those women in etowah county, but, you know what, my party is more important. i'm going to tell you, folks, it is time, and i think we're going to see it tomorrow, that the majority of the people of alabama say that it is time that we put our decency, our state before political party. >> reporter: now, like the moore campaign, the jones campaign is also feeling very confident. they have a pep in their step after this weekend of getting out the vote. this was always going to be a very tight race, but especially in the wake of these allegations it is extremely competitive, anderson. i was speaking with a senior campaign official earlier today who said their internal polling indicates that they have the lead. but they are taking nothing for granted, calling on every single one of their supporters to go out and vote tomorrow.
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anderson. >> alex, they may think they have the lead in internal polls, but it's very possible people say one thing to pollsters and do something else in the ballot booth. >> reporter: absolutely. polling is notoriously difficult here in alabama, and we have not been reporting on any polls, which is why i was eager to speak to the campaign about that. there are a lot of people -- this senior campaign official today was telling me, in particular, african-americans who will be so crucial to this election aren't keen to tell pollsters on the phone what they are thinking. but what the jones campaign knows is that there are a lot of votes out there for the taking. they've been trying to go after moderate republicans, specifically women, who could have been turned off by these allegations against roy moore. as well as that all-important african-american community. anderson. >> all right. alex marquardt, appreciate that. i want to bring in our panel. gloria borger, robbie mook, jack kingston, tara setmayer, and jim schultz. gloria, obviously, i don't know if it's too close to call or impossible to call at this
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point, but, you know, you could not have two more starkly different choices here. >> no, you couldn't. in a way, this is so much bigger than just the -- than just one senate race in the state of alabama, because you see with bannon tonight, this is about a republican party that's been torn apart. you know, you have bannon and -- steve bannon and donald trump on one side, mitch mcconnell who says this guy is going to be brought before the ethics committee the day -- the day he gets there. and even the republican shelby saying, you know, write in a candidate. he says, i couldn't vote for this guy. so you have a party that is split. you have the democrats clearly trying to take advantage of this, saying this is about values. allowing the democrats to talk about these values for which their party stands. trying to keep those women voters. and republicans saying, you know, this is about draining the swamp and getting rid of -- you know, getting rid of all of that
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in washington that we -- that we hate. and, of course, in the end, control of the senate actually could hang in the balance. >> robbie, what's your take on this? >> this is bad for republicans no matter what. it's just bad no matter what. if they lose this election, it's going to be like scott brown in 2009, the stench of death. which, you know, has begun to emerge for republicans recently is going to get a lot stronger. and if they win the special election, roy moore's going to be sitting with them in the senate, the stench of roy moore is going to be in the united states senate. this is a no-win. also, i don't know how this is going to go. nobody does. so my hope is that everybody in alabama gets out and participates in this. this could be very consequential in terms of the momentum moving forward. but i don't see how republicans benefit from this. >> jack, do you agree? it's bad for republicans either way? >> i think it's kind of a win-win or a lose-lose. i mean, you win the seat, or you lose the seat or you -- i mean, either way, i think the republican party -- i don't want to debate that. i think robbie makes a very
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strong point there. but i think what moore does have going for him right now is philosophy because jones is out of step philosophically with the state of alabama. and i think the second thing is just the sheer numbers. and, robbie, you've been in the trenches on these things, but in the republican run-off, in the run-off, which is really a lower turnout, 481,000 votes. in the democratic primary, 165,000 votes. now, a lot of those luther strange folks are going to vote for third parties. they're not all going to go to roy moore, but i don't see how he gets over that -- how jones gets over that difference. >> when you talk about philosophy in this race, i think it's really illuminated a considerable problem. what philosophy is that exactly? is the republican party now aligning itself with someone who believes that life was better with families under slavery? that believes that everything after the tenth amendment is, you know, no good, that was bad for the country?
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which includes the equal -- you know, equal rights amendment. women's right to vote. i mean, everyone knows the importance of the amendments after the tenth amendment. which is it? is it the fact that he doesn't uphold the law? i mean, republicans used to talk about activist judges, right? that was one of our things. we don't like these liberal activist judges. roy moore has made a career of being an activist judge from the bench deciding not to follow the supreme court. where does that square with republican philosophy? this guy is problematic all the way around. and he represents, i hope, a very fringe element of the republican party in alabama. and what this has become, it's become more of an us versus them than an actual political battle. it's about identity. if you listen to the way everyone's speaking, they're not really talking about actual issues per se and legislating and what a senator does. no, they're talking about our identity as christians, an attack on our faith, an attack on the establishment.
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it's turned into some almost -- like a cultish kind of us versus them that is really, really disturbing because it's staining the republican brand for the long run, given that they decided to support this guy. >> i mean, you just heard steve bannon, and he doesn't care about the establishment republican party. as a matter of fact, he wants to tear it apart. >> he bragged about it. >> he's using roy moore as a tool in this. you've seen establishment republicans now, including mitch mcconnell, capitulate a little bit to this because they're looking for votes for health care, to repeal obamacare, to pass the tax cuts, to deal with the immigration issues and to confirm judges. and that's so important to what's going on in washington. this get along -- the go along to get along politics that are going on there, that's what steve bannon is -- he's using a bad tool to get there. >> it's interesting going after jeff sessions and mitch mcconnell, all of whom, i mean, i understand why they don't like them, but they are executing the president's agenda probably more efficiently than anyone else. jeff sessions is making big
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changes at the department of justice that aren't making the nightly news. talking about judges. and mitch mcconnell is doing it on capitol hill. >> but in doing that, he's putting himself on the side of donald trump. because donald trump doesn't like mitch mcconnell and donald trump doesn't like jeff sessions. period. and so he's aligning himself conveniently with the president. you talk about the fringe. this isn't the fringe. this is the republican party. because donald trump is an 80% popularity with republicans. so bannon is aligning himself with donald trump because he wants to take over the republican party. >> and donald trump got elected on -- in places like pennsylvania with hardworking democrats across -- in the state of pennsylvania -- in the state of pennsylvania who were out of work. and that's who steve bannon is trying to appeal to here. >> the fringe i was referring to are the people that are excusing the awful behavior of roy moore and subscribing to his philosophy. i don't think that part
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represents the majority of the republican party. what's happening in alabama, i think is a fringe element because of how extreme roy moore is. he was unfit before the sexual misconduct allegations were established. way before that he was already unfit. but the fact that it's -- that's not a factor anymore, that's the part that is concerning for me. >> on cnn today, lindsey graham said he wouldn't rule out trying to expel roy moore if he makes it into the senate. do you actually believe republicans would follow through on that? >> no, i don't think they have the backbone to do that. >> i don't think the democrats do. >> they don't. he was duly elected, it's going to be tough. >> frankly, i don't think they have the case against al franken. i think al franken -- by the way -- >> but they didn't expel him. he resigned. >> he could have very easily switched parties and become an independent and say, you know what, you guys turn your back on me, i'm still an elected u.s. senator. >> the constitution gives congress a real role in setting the policy on how an expulsion proceeding would take place and the grounds for that expulsion proceeding. to date they have not taken on an expulsion proceeding when it's been conduct that's
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happened before -- before the-- when the electorate knows about what happened. >> it hasn't happened since the confederacy. >> this is where it's a lose-lose either way. this reminds me so much of 2006, remember all the scandals and all the republicans had time to do was talk about how they were treating their colleagues and their scandals. you have an unpopular president. the congress isn't getting anything done. this is why i'm saying this is all headed to a very bad place for the republicans. >> we've got to take a quick break. we'll continue the conversation just ahead. also, the inside story that's getting so much attention, not just for the dozen diet cokes the president reportedly drinks, which we mentioned last hour, or all the cable tv he watches, anywhere from four to eight hours according to "the times," but for everything else it says about this president and a presidency unlike we've certainly ever seen before. you're a life of unpredictable symptoms. crohn's, you've tried to own us. but now it's our turn to take control with stelara® stelara® works differently for adults with moderately to severely active crohn's disease. studies showed relief and remission, with dosing every 8 weeks. stelara® may lower the ability of your immune system
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as we continue to report on late developments in alabama, we want to focus on how reporting has become a story in and of itself lately. cnn made a mistake last week on a story and corrected it. a "washington post" reporter made a mistake in a tweet on friday, not only took down the tweet, apologized personally to the president. abc's brian ross got a story wrong, his network suspended him. those are facts, and not easy facts for anyone in this business to swallow. the president, however, seems to believe that these mistakes are something more. cnn's jim acosta asked sarah sanders about it today at the white house briefing. >> i would say, sarah, that journalists make honest mistakes, and that doesn't make them fake news. but the question that i have -- >> well, when journalists make honest mistakes, they should own up to them. >> we do. >> sometimes. and a lot of times you don't. but there is a difference -- there is a very big -- i'm sorry, i'm not finished. >> okay.
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>> there is a very big difference between making honest mistakes and purposefully misleading the american people. something that happens regularly. you can't say -- i'm not done. you cannot say -- >> something that was completely fake, sarah, and he admitted it. >> you cannot say that it's an honest mistake when you're purposely putting out information you know to be false or when you're taking information that hasn't been validated, that hasn't been offered any credibility and has been continually denied by a number of people, including people with direct knowledge of an instance. this is something that -- >> are you speaking about the president? >> i'm speaking about the number of reports that have taken place over the past couple of weeks. i'm simply stating there should be a certain level of responsibility in that process. brian, i called on jim. >> this is not the line of questioning i was going down, but can you cite a specific story you say is intentionally false, that was intentionally put out there to mislead the american people? >> sure. the abc report by brian ross, i
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think that was pretty misleading to the american people and i think that it's very telling that that individual had to be suspended because of that reporting. i think that shows that the network took it seriously and recognized that it was a problem. >> sarah, if i may, though, i was going to ask a question about something else. >> well, you used it on something else. jim? >> if i may? >> we're going to keep moving, guys. >> if i can ask about the president's accusations -- >> i'm moving to a different jim -- >> i know, but i didn't get to ask the question that i wanted to ask, which is, can you say once and for all -- >> jim, i'm going to say once and for all that i'm moving on to jim stenson and i'm not taking another question from you at this point. >> is it clear to you, gloria, how sarah sanders has any credibility when it comes to lecturing news organizations about facts and honesty that -- i mean, when responsible news outlets make mistakes, like cnn did on friday, they apologize and they try to correct it as quickly as possible. this white house, i have not heard this white house admitting a mistake at all.
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in fact, i mean, i remember early on a number of stories, the early briefing by intelligence leaders of the president or the president-elect about the existence of this dossier. a story which cnn broke which they were calling fake news and went off on this thing and never admitted, oh, actually, they were wrong. >> right. how about the size of the inaugural crowd -- >> right. >> -- on day one. >> they formed a commission -- you know, the millions of -- >> 3 million -- >> -- illegal immigrants voting. >> exactly. exactly. i think that it flows from the top down. you know? this is a president who doesn't admit mistakes ever. doesn't apologize ever. this is something that we in our profession take very seriously. >> he did apologize for the "access hollywood" tape. >> that was the one time, actually. you're right. you're absolutely right. and i think that for sarah huckabee-sanders to say that we as journalists go out there and intentionally mislead people is
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not understanding what we try to do. >> what i don't get about that is, even from a business -- even if you don't believe just ethically that would not be something we would want to do or ever do, just from a business standpoint, that is not a good business -- >> model. >> -- model. >> breitbart.com. i mean, i think some people who claim to purvey news are lying, but, i mean, i completely agree with you. the idea that the white house has any sort of high ground on telling the truth is absurd. i do feel for journalists these days. things are getting broken so quickly all the time, some people do rush too quick. and i actually admire that this week i think people are held to account for that. but i think this is part of a pattern by the president. we saw this with steve bannon. they always have to undermine everything. they point to something, call it the establishment, get you to hate it and -- so that they can always be fighting the power structure. they can always be in opposition to something because they won't take responsibility.
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the president will not take responsibility for his job or getting anything done. >> the press is a good enemy to have. >> perfect. >> jack, have you heard the white house say they made a mistake on anything from that podium? >> off hand, i don't know that they have. but i think one of the frustrations that this white house has, and i suppose any white house does, is that the press won't cover some of the good news that's out there. isis territory that is now back in quasi-friendly hands, that's a big story. it's a huge story. >> and we have correspondents there. >> and i'm not saying that cnn -- i'm talking in general. you know, same thing with the economy. i mean, the lowest unemployment rate in 17 years is a huge story. the economy, $5 trillion injected into the economy through growth in the stock market, investment, consumer optimism at an all-time high, illegal immigration going down, those are good stories. and i think that this discussion for our society is a good one, because i think that as society
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has found itself in bunkers, you can follow whoever you want to on twitter and quit following them. i think that the press is sort of reflected that. and it's difficult because, you know, we can all go to a particular area that we like to be with, you know, in terms of what news we're going to read, and i think it's not something you can say, oh, this is the white house, it's the politicians, it's the media. it's all of us. i think we all share it in. >> well, let's be honest here, this is a specific tactic that donald trump is using to undermine the most important mechanism to hold him accountable, which is the fourth estate, which is the media, which is the free press. so when you undermine the credibility of the most important mechanism to hold public officials accountable and you create this feeling that it's fake news, that it's not real, that they're out to get us, you can't believe them, it inoculates him with his supporters of any accountability. so when he does manipulate and use propaganda tactics, which
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it's pretty textbook propaganda what this white house does, then he goes out there and says things that are blatantly untrue or cannot be verified. then he can turn around when you call him on it and say, no, it's fake news. so to watch sarah sanders with that level of righteous indignation from that podium lecture the media for making mistakes, but they admit them, to actually sit there and say that the media, that we're intentionally putting out false news when this white house and this president of the united states intentionally lies about things all the time. look at the things -- the reason why, jack, that the white house doesn't get the positive news coverage they deserve on some things and these accomplishments is because the president undercuts his own message almost every day. instead of talking about how great the economy is and everything, he's tweeting and attacking don lemon on cnn or attacking "the new york times" or he's tweeting out fake news muslims -- attacking muslim videos like he did last week, and never apologized for that. >> that doesn't necessarily become a press story. >> it does. it's coming from the presidency. >> it's still very true --
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>> jack, remember all the weeks there was going to be infrastructure week, and every time the president would start off the week going off on some other tangent and totally avoiding what was supposed to be the message of the white house which probably would have generated coverage. >> he doesn't care. he has no impulse control. >> i agree with part of jack's overall point. i think in general -- and i think jack's right, it's as consumers we're driving this. we don't support enough, i would argue, news that really informs us, tells us what's going on. >> i totally agree with that. >> i think the tax bill is a perfect example. but this is the -- the president is, in large part, to blame for this. he is the one who puts the shiny objects out. he is the one who distracts us. absolutely. >> but you also talk about -- you and i agree on a lot of things, robbie, and that's on this one. you talked about breitbart, breitbart clearly has its own agenda. the left-leaning media does the same thing. a lot of times the mainstream media picks right up on it, without questioning it, runs with the story and gets themselves in trouble because they're in a rush. >> i wouldn't compare breitbart to anything on the left right now. i'm sorry. it's just not true.
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>> how about huffington post? >> it's not a hateful news organization. it doesn't -- >> you didn't have to sit in the white house doing battle with them. >> it doesn't teach people to hate other people for how they were born. it doesn't teach people to hate other people for being born gay, for being born as a person of color. i'm sorry, it is a fundamental difference. i get right, i get left, all that's true. exaggerations, but not hate. >> i don't read that much of breitbart. i probably read more huffington post than you do. >> i approve of that. >> i am disgusted by their bias, i got to tell you. >> it is a left-leaning outlet. it is a left-leaning outlet. i draw the line at hate. and breitbart peddles hating other people for how they were born. and it's unacceptable. >> let me say one other thing about the press, which is that donald trump needs someone to fight all the time. whether it's hillary clinton -- this is how he defines himself by his enemies. so whether it's hillary clinton or the fake news media or naming journalists or -- he just cannot survive, there is no oxygen for him unless he's in the center of the ring. so sometimes it's the press. even when we say we made a
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mistake. we've got to get a break in. when we come back, the latest statements from judge roy moore surfaced over the weekend. comments from 2011, saying that eliminating every amendment after the tenth would help government function. somebody said that to him. he said that's where a lot of the problems have come from. his campaign is saying he doesn't actually believe that he wants to eliminate all of those amendments. we'll hear from professor cornell west on that idea next.
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homosexuality, islam, evolution, just to name a few, but this week others have come to light, that includes comments from 2011 when moore appeared on a conspiracy driven radio show. he was -- the host of that show said getting rid of all constitutional amendments after the tenth would eliminate problems in the way the u.s. government is structured. he seemed to agree with that. just as a reminder, that would include the 13th amendment which outlawed slavery, the 15th that eliminated racial restrictions on voting, the 19th that gave women the right to vote. earlier i spoke to cornell west, professor at harvard divinity school and princeton university for his take. here is that conversation. >> dr. west, these comments from roy moore back in 2011, the idea of eliminating the amendments after the tenth amendment, is that an appropriate position for a guy who wants to become a senator? >> well, i think we see very clearly the combination of the will to stupidity on the one hand and the will to dominate on the other. that's what happens when the vicious legacy of white supremacy and male supremacy come together.
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you have hatred of people of color on the one hand, hatred of women, we can add gays and lesbians, trans, bisexuals on the other. you get persons who want to go back to a white supremacist, male supremacist civilization. we know the 13th and 14th amendment had to do with abolishing slavery, it had to do with civil rights. he wants to live in a civilization in which what is normal is based on lies and what is natural is based on domination. it's a very sad affair, but it's an important thing to know, my dear brother, cooper, is that we don't want to isolate roy moore. that he does represent a significant slice that's growing in this society. these are neo fascist tendencies taking place. mean spirited callousness. cold-hearted indifference. and we encourage and we reward that callousness and indifference too often. >> so you're saying you don't want to isolate. it does seem like we're living
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in this age of -- more than ever of tribalism in politics, of people retreating to their sides, pretending what the other side is saying has no basis in fact at all sometimes or saying it's completely fake. and even if kind of thinking -- or maybe believing maybe this person i'm supporting is not a great person, they're part of my tribe and i'm going to support them. >> and it comes from the top. it comes from the top. you've got the white house reenforcing this kind of callousness and this indifference, this misogyny and white supremacy, but not only that, but the rule of big money and the rule of big military. so i think the important thing is it recognizes there is a sense in which sadly roy moore, donald trump are as american as apple pie, but martin luther king jr. is as american as apple pie. so is dorothy day. so we're seeing this drama, this clash, mean spiritedness, tribalism on the other hand. universal quest towards morality
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and spirituality that at the moment is losing out, but we shall bounce back. >> well, i want to ask you about that, because, you, just last week, former president obama talked about -- referencing pre-nazi germany, essentially saying we're in this nice auditorium, this nice hall, there is art on the wall, you can't imagine things can go backward, but look what happened in germany, they did go backwards. obviously i'm paraphrasing what he said. do you believe we are at a point in history that is that dangerous? that is that potential of going backward in very significant ways? >> absolutely. i mean, adolph hitler, gangster thug that he was, he resulted from democratic processes that were decaying, that were undergoing unbelievable decadent degeneration. that's what we're experiencing today in the united states, the american democracy, the american empire. the levels of decay and decadence of spiritual blackout, of meltdown, unbelievable.
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and the only response we have is to fight back with a sense of morality, spirituality, sense of honesty, integrity and decency. >> dr. cornell west, thanks for being with us. >> thank you, my brother. happy holidays to you. up next, a behind the scenes look inside the white house and the way president trump has made it unique as the president conducts what the report in "the times" calls an hour by hour battle for self-preservation. next. the ford year end sales event is here. i can guide you in. no, thanks , santa. i got this. santa: uh, it looks a little tight. perfect fit. santa needs an f-150. that's ford, america's best selling brand. hurry in today for 0% financing for 72 months across the full line up of ford cars, trucks and suvs. for a limited time, get an additional $1,000 cash back on top of 0% financing for 72 months. get these exclusive offers during the ford year end sales event. (hard exhalation) honey? can we do this tomorrow?
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eight hours of cable news each day, and even keeps the tv on mute during some meetings. the times reporters write, quote, watching cable he shares thoughts with anyone in the room, even the household staff he summons via a button for lunch or for one of the dozen diet cokes he consumes each day. overall, the article characterizes the presidency as an hour by hour fight for self-preservation. according to the times, the president sees it differently, writing, quote, before taking office, mr. trump told top aides to think of each presidential day as an episode in a television show in which he vanquished his rivals. back now with the panel. it is a fascinating way to think about a day. i don't know if it is good for running a white house. jim, do you think he actually believes that? >> i think the tv piece is just silly. and there is not a white house staffer, i've been in there, that doesn't have the tv on in the background the entire day you're there, seeing what's going on in the news media. >> he does tweet about television stuff that has just aired. >> okay. that's means it's on in his office in the background while he's in there doing work. there is not a person, again, in the white house who doesn't have that --
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>> or on capitol hill. >> right, or on capitol hill. so that's just silly. we're talking about how many diet cokes he has? i mean, a guy blew himself up in new york city today, we're talking about the president drinking 12 diet cokes. >> the president didn't tweet today about what happened in new york city. he was too busy attacking cnn this morning. so, again, the president is the master of his own future here. >> i want to get on record he's drinking a georgia product. >> i will also point out, as someone who is weaning themselves off of diet coke, 12 diet cokes is a lot of diet coke and a not very healthy thing. someone who used to drink a whole lot of diet coke. >> his health report is supposed to come out. i am fascinated to see what happens. the mcdonald's lewandowski reported on, the cokes. when he put out a health report on the campaign, it was utter bogus. i'm fascinated to see -- i don't see how this man is healthy. >> i want to know how much caffeine is in those diet cokes, because that may be why he gets five hours of sleep a night -- >> but he's never gotten a lot of sleep, from all the biographers who interviewed him. jim, you worked in the white
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house, in "the times" piece, i'm wondering the overall tenor of it, did you feel was accurate? do you feel was -- i don't know, what did you think? >> i thought it was not surprising for the most part. i think most of it was accurate. the fact he drinks a lot of diet cokes, who cares. the fact that he has the tv on in the background all day, who cares. we all know he uses twitter to drive his message. what's news about any of this? >> what about the fact he doesn't mosey down to do work until 9:00 or 9:30. president bush was up at 5:00 a.m., he was already working out. he had intelligence briefings by 7:30 in the morning. >> he's working from home and he's up at 5:30 in the morning. >> right. i mean, he's working, i guess, propped up on his pillow tweeting watching "fox & friends." >> i don't think we've ever had -- in my lifetime, i don't know of a president who has worked harder. i really don't >> keeps incredible hours. >> maybe on the golf course. on his golf game? >> every venue is his office. >> wait a minute, that's what every president -- says that. he has played a lot of golf.
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for somebody -- and i only bring this up because on the campaign trail he repeatedly talked about how he would never play golf and he was going to be too busy. >> you know, when he's playing golf or when he's in mar-a-lago, the guests he's with, they're all orchestrated to a purpose and i don't necessarily know what there is -- >> he was with tiger woods a couple of weeks ago. >> i agree with all of that, but here's the big problem, it's all about him. it's not about getting things done. it's not about helping other people, it's not advancing other people. it's about him. i thought that quote there was brilliant. every day he's vanquishing his rivals. that is the purpose of this president. >> i think this is a man -- if you read "the times" story through, this is a man who is trying to figure out how he can lead in the presidency the way he led at the trump organization. and you cannot do it. because you have to be responsible, not only to the american people, but to members of congress. you can't fire members of congress. so he's had a hard time because his nature is authoritarian.
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he wants to be the ceo of the country. but he can't just give orders and say, okay, the health care bill, well, let's pass that. he can't do it. and he's frustrated by it. that's why he's frustrated at the press. >> let me say this, the republican members of congress do like him a lot. but i can tell you, one senior chairman the other day i was talking to him and he said, you know, trump is 21% in my district above everybody else. above me. the congressman -- >> so he can fire the congressman is what you're saying? >> no. the point is, he's enormously popular with republican base voters. and let me say this also, i really think that it's good that the epa director is doing what he's doing or the other cabinet members that, you know, he's putting out there that they're supposed to do less regulation. the keystone pipeline, we don't ever talk about that. keystone pipeline -- >> what does that tell about trump? >> obama fought it for eight years and it was approved in nebraska the other day and we were talking about something the equivalent of diet cokes.
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he's -- again, unemployment, 17-year low. >> i understand -- >> jack, we get all that. but the president doesn't understand the confines and the limitations of the presidency and how to utilize those things to get his message out and focus on policy. he's so uninterested in actually governing. that's why this is a problem. so what if he's -- you know what, the fact that he's 21% -- >> he's doing great. the economy is doing great. if obama had this economy, he would have just -- hillary would be president. >> if the president was disciplined in understanding that and stopped worrying about his own personal brand every day, then you would get that positive. you would get that positive. >> i don't think it's the diet cokes, honestly. i don't think it's the diet cokes. i think you have a serious russia investigation going on in this country about the russians hacking into an american election and you have a president who says that it is a witch-hunt and that the democrats are only doing it because they can't get over the
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fact that they lost. i think that that is a serious issue in this country, to which all of us should pay attention, including the president. so i think you're right, jack, give the president all the kudos on keeping the economy humming. i might ask why you need a tax cut at this particular time, but give you all the kudos on that. but there are serious issues that confront this president and that preoccupy him, by the way. russia is one of them. that need to be talked about. i mean, i do think. >> yet here we are talking about donald trump and his habits. it is amazing. >> this is the way it was -- this is the way it was, and, robbie, you know well during the campaign hillary would make a big announcement about the economy or something. nobody would care because it would be about something donald trump -- >> he would tweet something out that was divisive. >> think about north korea. he's absolutely very engaged in that. he's been engaged in getting the u.n. and china involved with north korea. i think he's done a really good job there. >> but he's not selling that. >> that's right. >> he's not selling that, jack.
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you are. but he's not. >> the rocket man comments. this is another example where he continually undermines his own progress with, you know -- >> i thought that was a great comment, though. >> i don't think that was strong diplomacy. >> he's playing a character on tv. he was a reality show character before and he's approaching the presidency the same way. and that's not good for the country. >> let's take a break. coming up, how alabama voters view the sexual assault allegations against roy moore, the ones he denies. also whether the comments he's made on other issues will affect their vote tomorrow. be right back. s it going down t? that's good. lica misses you. i'm over it though. (laughter) that's fine. i miss her more than you anyway. ♪ ♪ hey, my window is closing. yeah that's okay. alright miles. i love you. (phone hangs up) ♪ ♪ yeah i love you too. ♪ ♪
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president obama. our gary tuchman talked with people in alabama to see if any of it will impact their vote. here's what he found out. >> reporter: the tiny community of galant, alabama, is where roy moore lives. jet pack is a nearby gas station and convenience store. are you concerned about the allegations against him? >> no. >> how come? >> because i'm sure probably more than half of this world has done something inappropriate some time. god forgives everybody. >> reporter: roy moore is popular here in galant, as well as nearby gadston, the larger city where he was born and served as an assistant district attorney. >> i'm voting roy moore, 100%. >> reporter: okay. why do you like roy moore so much? >> i think he's an incredible christian man. >> reporter: but his popularity here doesn't mean that his supporters aren't doing some rationalizing. tell me why you like roy moore? >> well, i don't want to see a democrat get it. that's really the only reason.
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>> reporter: what do you think of the allegations against him? >> well -- >> reporter: do they trouble you? >> yeah. they do trouble me. >> reporter: but you're still going to vote for him? >> i'm still going to vote for him. >> reporter: because it's more important to not have a democrat there? >> i think so. i really think so. >> reporter: lost in much of the discussion of the sexual assault allegations against roy moore and his denials are controversial statements he's made in his past. we asked a mother and daughter about that. the mother voting for moore, the daughter not. roy moore said on a radio interview years ago, and he's never taken this back, that homosexual conduct should be illegal. when you hear that, as the man who you're going to be voting for, does that trouble you? >> i honestly agree. homosexuality is biblically wrong. it is wrong. but i know people who are gay. >> reporter: he said it should be illegal, though. do you feel that way? >> i can't answer that. >> reporter: but if you could pass the laws, would you agree with him, that it should be
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illegal? >> i don't think i would take a position on that. >> reporter: what about you? >> no. >> reporter: as the daughter. >> it should not be illegal. >> reporter: as recently as last year, judge moore continued to stand by previous statements that barack obama is not a natural-born citizen. this husband and wife are voting for moore. how do you feel that he's still saying that barack obama wasn't born in this country? >> i don't -- i don't even think -- i guess it never crosses my mind. i think politicians say things all the time that are controversial. and i wouldn't recommend saying that, because i find it hurtful or it goes against our country. >> reporter: and then there is this statement. roy moore said earlier this year during a campaign event, when asked when america was last great, "i think it was great at the time when families were united, even though we had slavery," referring to the mid-1800s. how does that make you feel? >> very sad. you know, i'll be honest, yeah, that's, that's disappointing. you know. for him to feel that -- i mean,
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to say something like that must have been something that was instilled in him. >> reporter: this voter, tim burnett, is not voting for roy moore, but most of the people we talked with in his home county said they will, no matter what comment he's made or no matter the assault allegations against him. >> i'd have -- i didn't see it with my own eyes. until i see it with my own eyes, i don't believe anything. >> gary joins us now. so the people you read roy moore's more controversial statements to, had they heard them before? >> reporter: for the most part, anderson, the people we talked to weren't familiar with the exact quotes, but nobody we talked to was surprised or shocked. they know roy moore's reputation. that being said, if roy moore wins this election and is in the u.s. senate, his words will be scrutinized much more closely, not just here in alabama, but the other 49 states, too. anderson? >> gary tuchman, thanks very much. it's been a long day. coming up, something to make you smile at the end of the day. the "ridicu-list" is next. get t. the ford year end sales event is here.
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time now for "the ridicu-list." if you don't want to hear an uplifting story about one of the most ridiculously kids in chicago and perhaps all the land, turn the channel now, because it's about to get extremely cute up in here. once upon a time there was a boy, his name is caleb, and he read 100 books last night.
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>> my name is caleb! i read 100 books last night! >> caleb, 4 years old, set a goal to read 100 books. what did you do this weekend? caleb's dad admits to being kind of skeptical, at first. >> i was like, a hundred, son? i was like, that's a lot of books. so at first i, you know, had the gut reaction to kind of talk him down a little bit. but he was like, no, i want to read a hundred. >> and read a hundred books, he did. the project hit a temporary snag when the family realized they didn't have quite enough books, but friends stepped in with reinforcements and the pint-sized reading marathon continued. our affiliate wls picks up the next chapter of the story. >> reporter: as caleb started to read out loud, his folks decided to stream it on facebook live. the post got a couple thousand views from people as far away as florida. every time caleb finished ten books, he did a dance.
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>> that is actually remarkably similar to the dance i did when i finished reading a prayer for owen meany. hang on, i lost my train of thought. what is the boy's name again and what did he do? >> my name is caleb! i read 100 books last night! >> caleb's binge reading adventure has inspired everyone who has heard about it, including his dad. >> i learned to just dream bigger and just try to -- i'm going to try to set an unrealistic goal for myself this coming year and i'm going to just be inspired by caleb to not quit on it and just push through it. >> me, too. now that he's read 100 books in a day, you may wonder, what is next for caleb? >> i want to be a basketball player when i'm 22, i want to be an astronaut, and when i'm 23, i want to be a ninja turtle. >> we have no doubt that by the time he is in his mid-20s caleb will indeed be slam dunking on the international space station
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and also doing whatever it is that ninja turtles do. and that's what we call one for the books. way to go, caleb. thanks for watching "360." time to turn it over to don lemon. "cnn tonight" starts now. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. thank you so much for joining us. and we are on the verge of a day of reckoning. it will be decided by the people of alabama and what those voters do when they go to the polls in just a few hours. will they put politics ahead of principle? will they vote for roy moore, the candidate who's accused of child molestation and sexual abuse of teenagers? the man who said america was last great under slavery? >> i think it was great at the time when families were united, even though we had slavery, they cared for one another. people were strong in the families. our families were strong. our country had a direction. >> so this
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