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>> the suspect pledged allegiance to isis. good morning, everyone. welcome to your "new day." it's tuesday, december 12th, 8:00 in the east. polls are now open in alabama's special election. will voters elect the republican who is accused of child molestation, and has been endorsed by president trump, or elect doug jones who would be the first democratic senator from alabama in 20 years. >> and more than 50 democratic lawmakers are asking for an investigation into claims against president trump. the president claiming he doesn't know or never met any of the women making accusations, calling their stories fabricated. we have it all covered.
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doug jones is expected to vote this hour. >> reporter: he is, chris. he's expected to vote in half an hour's time. all of a sudden there's a flury of activity. the polls opening and alabamans eager to come out and vote, and the workers trying to finalize everything to get ready to vote. doug jones needs as many votes as he can get. this was already a competitive race. then those allegations came out against roy moore and it made it all the more tighter. roy moore has a core base of passionate voters who were not turned off by these allegations and will turn out no matter what, even if it's a cold and chilly december morning in an off year for a special election. the big question this morning is the turnout. that's what we are going to be watching closely. the secretary of state for alabama says the turn out should
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be 25%, and that may sound low but it's higher than they initially expected, so that's the name of the game today, the turnout. republican roy moore and democrat, doug jones, making their final call to voters. >> it's time we put our decency and our state before political party. >> i will tell you, if you don't believe in my character, don't vote for me. >> moore bringing in a number of out of state conservatives, including the president's former chief strategist, steve bannon. who riled up the crowd by attacking republicans who have been critical of the child molester, and he said there's a special play in hell for
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republicans who should no better. bannon naming names, and calling out the state's most prominent republican. >> the state of alabama deserves better. >> reporter: former secretary of state, condoleezza rice, who released a statement monday urging voters to, quote, reject bigotry. >> fake news would tell you we don't care for jews. one of our attorneys is a jew. >> while doug jones who has been working to shore up much-needed support from african-american voters teamed up with charles barkley. >> at some point we have to draw a line in the stand. >> jones getting a boost from
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former president barack obama and joe biden. >> moore, who denies the allegations against him letting the president do much of his talking for him in the past few days alongside very few select interviews shunning the media. >> moore defending his near total absence from the campaign trail in the final week of the heated race, saying he was visiting west point. >> here i am surrounded by the gaggle of media while roy moore was not even in the state of alabama over the weekend. >> after doug jones votes here he does have a busy day ahead of him. he will stop at a number of
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polling stations, five, to be exact, to greet voters as they vote. and roy moore, he will be voting with his wife at the fire station in their hometown, and more family tradition dictates they do that on horseback in the name of his trusty steed is, wait for it, sassy. >> thank you for that. last night a father named mathis was holding a sign with a picture of his daughter who he says was a lesbian and committed suicide when she was 23 years old. mathis is a peanut farmer and he is condemning roy moore's past comments on homosexually. >> you are supposed to hold up the constitution, and all men
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are created equal, and i was anti-gay myself, and i said bad things to my daughter myself, which i regret. he said all gay people are perverts, abomination, and that's not true. >> that dad, nathan mathis, joins us right now. thank you very much for joining us via facetime, as you are. why did you feel it was important to go to roy moore's campaign and deliver that message? >> well, i feel guilty about my daughter taking her own life, and a man that would go to washington and say my daughter is a pervert just because she's gay, and for him to be charged -- well, not charged -- these women are accusing him of going out with them when they
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were young teenage girls, if i daughter was a pervert, he is worse than a sorry pervert and doesn't need to be in washington, d.c. >> let me just read for our viewers what you are referring to. this was a decision that judge roy moore made when he was the chief justice in alabama about homosexually. let me just read the opinion he wrote. homosexual conduct is and has been considered detestable, a crime against nature and a violation of the laws of nature and of nature's god upon which this nation and our laws are predicated. the common law adopted in this state and upon which our laws are premised likewise declares ho home sexuality to be detestable and an abominable sin. >> i grew up in church and heard
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that, and i believed that myself, and after having the experience of my daughter and seeing life the way it is i realize how wrong it was. my daughter was a good person. my daughter was not no damn pervert, and roy moore by going out with the teenage girls, he doesn't deserve to be in the united states senate, he needs to be in a sick ward with a psychiatrist trying to get better. >> i hear your regret about how you treated your daughter and how you changed and how your perspective about homosexually has changed. can you tell us more about what happened with your daughter, patty sue. >> patty came to me after the altercation, and she said i don't want to be gay, can you get me help? i talk her to the hospital and
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the doctors did test all day long, and the doctors said there's not a thing we can do for you. i said, man, this doctor is crazy as a bat. so we went to other doctors and psychiatrist, and every one said the same thing, we can't do a thing about the way you are and you can't do anything about the way you are. >> and she was december respondent after that, or how did she take her life? >> she didn't plan on taking her life that day, because she filled her gas tank up and she was going up to panama city, and that afternoon one of the neighbors saw her in the yard talking to a girl, and my daughter liked to put clothes on
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that she wore when she was with the riding lawn mower, and i found her dead in the house where she shot herself. i have guilt feelings about it every day. what happened to me could happen to you, if it could happen to anybody watching this program, it could be your child, your great grandchild, and are you going to vote for a man that called your child or grand child a pervert because they are born gay. there's something wrong with this picture. roy moore does not deserve to be in the united states senate. >> we appreciate the way you work your way around to acceptance. we're sorry for your loss. thank you so much for joining us on "new day." >> thank you, and have a good
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day. >> you, too. chris. >> obviously very personal for that man that projects on to an issue that voters have to vote on today. we will watch that race very carefully. let's talk about the stakes here with david gregory and chris cillizza. as i was saying, this is an intensely personal issue for this man and that's why he is projecting it on to the race, and that's not so dissimilar from what we expect from a lot of voters, and there's something personal about this election, the role of faith in society and our culture. those are big issues for people down there, and roy moore is banking on them, yes? >> yes, no question about it. i think he's banking on a sense that voters in the state may feel that many around the country and in the news media and in the establishment in washington are looking down their nose and saying roy moore is not fit to be in this
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institution of the senate, that he has done things and believes things that disqualify him, and people may not look at the substance of those things. they may want to discredit the women that accused roy moore of misconduct, or, you know, look aside as his wife uses textbook anti-semitism to defend their views about jews, and say, no, we are just going to vote on the fact that this is a strong conservative who is against abortion rights and is a christian whom we can really put our faith in. what is true about the stakes in the election is it has become a proxy fight, every major political figure from both parties is involved in trying to get out the vote in this state and what is going to be a low turn-out election, one that will absolutely favor roy moore. the republican party is torn
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apart over this race, and that's one of the things here in this race. >> if he can work his way around because of his own personal experience with his own gay daughter, is there any chance that roy moore's positions on homosexually and blacks and women and jews, and these are things he has said that maybe times have changed in alabama. >> i do think that tonight will give us some indication of that, alisyn, but david makes an important point, which is this is a december 12th special election. it's two weeks before christmas. this is not a standard issue vote. most voters are not used to voting at this time, so what is difficult, i think, is that -- this is not -- i don't think we
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should -- people will think this is indicative of what alabama thinks, it's indicative what people paying attention think. the higher the turnout the better for doug jones and the lower the better for roy moore. polling is a little all over the map. if you have to, you give roy moore an edge today. i think that says something about the people in alabama and how they view the news media and both parties and how they view who represents them. i would caution not to draw too many conclusions, because we are going to get a couple hundred thousand voting, and it's not a tiny amount but not the state. >> state officials say 20 to 25%
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voting. >> that's of voters, right. >> i am a little conflicted on this, and i think chris is right and i think we are making a similar fight about why this is difficult to extrapolate from whatever the result is going to be. i think, you know, it's unfair to alabama, who, you know, folks don't want to be caricatures for views that may have defined the state decades ago, and unfortunately, and roy moore, given the things he said that caricature is applying to him and his wife given to some of the things they said publicly, and we can go through that. with all of the energy in the country, with the democratic party, anti-trump and so forth, it's a test of how democrats can mobilize. this is a big deal election in the senate, and all the national leaders have been focussed on it, and i think it's hard because democrats are not used to turning out in big numbers and have not had a close race
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like this and it's going to be a measure -- >> there's no real indication they put in place great infrastructure down there. >> that's true. >> chris, remember, too, this is to david's point, but this is a state that has been republican and pretty heavily so for at least a decade. >> richard shelby was the democrat voted in '92, and he switched in '94. >> since then it has been hard to win as a candidate. >> he has been rewarded for the views in the past, just so people remember that. he was thrown off the court and ran again statewide for the court and won. got thrown off again. >> when you don't ever win races in a state, it's hard to have an infrastructure that exists. state parties get demoralized. you don't raise as much money. you don't have the volunteers and the get out the vote effort. republicans have that because
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they have won a lot. democrats don't, so doug jones is sort of building it from the start. he's heavily out spending moore on television, but this is not necessarily that. i would still think that republicans have the edge in terms of turnout, and the question is will enough republicans who have questions about roy moore, doubts about him, vote for him. that's what the trump rally in pensacola was all about, that mobile area is critical and filled with republicans who are business-mined busines business-minded. >> we will have the answer for you in 12 hours. thank you very much. president trump issuing fresh criticism at his accusers on twitter this morning, as a growing number of lawmakers calls for the investigation into the president's alleged misconduct. what happens next? we'll talk about it. you are going to be a big surprise.
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ferguson. ana, let me start with you. the women calling for president trump to be investigated about the sexual allegations against him, does this go anywhere? >> i don't think it's going to get any traction unless republicans, republican women, get involved. the way we saw last week, the democrat women and senators coming out of against al franken, it made a difference. it will not be until people within the republican party, republican lawmakers, republican elected officials, go out there and really realize what is going on in this country and that you can't leave donald trump out of this conversation. it takes republicans to really lead the effort, and what the democratic women are doing is symbolic and significant but it's not going to go anywhere. >> ben, is it time to revisit
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the accusations against president trump? >> i think any woman that has accusations has a right to tell their story, but this is extremely politically motivated. when you have already had this very much litigated talked about and exposed -- >> i want to talk to you about this. this is post harvey weinstein. this is the me too moment, the moment, and i am not sure if you asked every standard they would know how many women have accused president trump, what they are accusing him of, and i don't think it's in the national consciousness. >> look, i know how many hours on my show we had this conversation during the primaries and general election.
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a lot of people know about the accusations that have been extremely well publicized against donald trump, the interviews and sit downs, and this was a massive campaign issue talked about for hours on end and not just across the country, but in the conservative voting community as well. this was something that was talked about to the point where i was exhausted having every show be about it for days on end. >> i remember "access hollywood" being talked about, but i don't remember hearing from the 16 or 15 accusers. yesterday they had a press conference and that's the first time we saw the face of three of them. >> sure. here's what i will say. if you have a story to tell, you have a right to tell that story for as long as you want to tell that story, i also know it doesn't do a lot of good if you are coming out and telling your story while there's a backdrop of the movie career. i think the optics of that were
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dumb. if you are going to tell your story for the right reason, don't make it looks like you are promoting a movie like it's opening night at the theater. i think people also look at that and say is this really about these new accusations or revisiting them or about promoting a movie? >> >>ana, there are four female democratic senators calling for president trump to resign, and one of them is gillibrand, and here's what president trump just tweeted about gillibrand. lightweight senator, and a total flunky for chuck schumer somebody coming to my office begging for campaign contributions not so long ago and would do anything for them is now in the ring fighting against trump, very disloyal and
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crooked, used. would do anything for them? is this any sort of sexual reference or slur? >> i have no idea. i have no idea what kind of reference it is, it's demeaning and condescending and inappropriate. the vocabulary used is horrible coming from the president trump of the united states and it's horrible coming from the president of the united states against a sitting woman senator. the entire tone of that tweet is, you know, is this disgusting inappropriate misogynistic tweets trump keeps doing over and over again despite having been elected for over a year. we can't -- you know what we can't do? i am glad you are bringing up the tweet, we can't numb ourselves to the fact that the president of the united states is a disgusting guy.
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>> i don't generally think all of the tweets are newsworthy or worth reading but how would you interpret this to do whatever for them? >> there's a lot of people -- >> or give you anything you need in another way. >> it could be for land deals or for taxes or for a multitude of special interests, and we know how washington works and why the american people hate washington, and i think the president is -- >> you don't hear it in a sexual context. >> i will say it again, in politics there are people clearly that when they say they come to you for money, they say you tell me what you need. whatever you need, you let me know because you just wrote them a big check and that's a very normal conversation in politics and that's why the people hate politics, but it's the truth, there are people in politics,
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men and women alike, they will say thank you for the check, you need anything, whatever you need, you let me and my office know and we will take care of it. that's a very normal political conversation. >> i hear you. >> and it's a good reminder that donald trump who pretends not to be part of this game and pretends not to be part of the establishment or a swamp, was a player in the swamp and very much part of a swamp thing going on and he gave a lot of democrats a lot of money because he needed things done. people like pelosis and hillary clinton and people like gillibrand, and let's remember that donald trump was one of their biggest supporters. >> i just have to tell you in this me too moment it's hard not to see things through a certain lens. >> the tone deafness is astounding. >> thank you very much for the debate this morning. >> what can they do about it
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other than complain? we will stay on that story and see if anything comes of it. and roy moore's senate seat seemed in trouble, but then president trump stepped in and endorsed them, and he says he denies them and that's good enough for me, and is that enough to give moore a senate seat. a trump confident joins us next, live. ♪ let's go! ♪ mom! slow down! for the ones who keep pushing. always unstoppable. looking for a hotel that fits... whoooo. ...your budget? tripadvisor now searches over... ...200 sites to find you the... ...hotel you want at the lowest
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very different stances on key issues. let's go through a few of them, okay? first one is abortion. roy moore wants abortions banned. his campaign won't clarify whether moore supports traditional reasons such as rpen or the life of the mother. moore's camp accuses his opponent, doug jones, of supporting the abortions and
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inventing the term, full term abortions. he says education and access to contraception are ways to lesson abortion. he supports permanent legal status for d.r.e.a.m.ers brought here under obama's deferred action for childhood arrivals or daca. and roy moore calls daca permanent evil and supports president trump's border wall and calls for the military on the southern border. health care, more calls for the repeal of obamacare and for government to get out of health care, period. he encourages tax credits to keep premiums down.
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he is not committed to the renew annual of chip, the children's health insurance program. doug jones wants chip renewed. these are families that don't make enough for medicaid but make too much to get their own plans. both sides need to come together to address the high pwraeremiumd out of pocket costs. there are many other issues out there. you have two men with very different positions. one of them is going to be chosen today as the next senator from the yellow hammer state of alabama. let's discuss what is important on this with the ceo and president of news max media and a friend of president trump. >> thank you for having me on. >> you are not an alabama voter and you are not voting today but if you were would roy moore have
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your vote? >> based on all the facts i have today i would not vote for roy moore, and one of the reasons that guide me, shelby, a great conservative, i have great respect for him, and he is saying he would vote for neither candidate. that said, i am disturbed about the allegations that are made, but i am also very disturbed the press dropped the bombshell two weeks. the guy has been in public life for 40 years. one of the accusers has come forward and made allegations about a yearbook. she now admitted that she made fraudulent comments and said it was written by roy moore when it wasn't. when you have people like this making allegations and committing fraud about the allegations, and i completely understand the president and the people of alabama, saying, look, i don't want the kangaroo
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process and the washington people dictating. this thing where we are convicting people in the press is very disturbing to me. >> fair point. you do know being in the business as long as you can, it's not easy for women to come forward. there was a lot of reporting that went on with this and corroboration. we make it a he said she said times six or eight, but there's a lot of corroboration around these stories, and we must point out for the record there's nothing fraudulent accusing to the yearbook, and -- >> well, usually if you commit fraud in one aspect -- >> there's no fraud in either. >> she fabricated part of it. this is gloria allred's witness,
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and her own step son says she made up the allegation. >> if i sign a baseball for you and after my note, love having you on the show, signed chris cuomo, and you add after it, "new day" host, 2017. did you do something fraudulent? >> i believe i live in a country where you are innocent until proven guilty and not -- >> you are falsely convicting her of fraud and i am calling you on it. >> she said it was all written by him and now changed her story. if i write a check and the check is generally written by me and somebody writes the signature -- >> that's not what this was. it was not the signature. it just an identifying phrase, just to keep it straight. >> i think donald trump looks at this and says i was victimized,
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i was in public life for 30 years and i owned a modeling company, and people were chasing him down the street all his life and yet there was never a single allegation both public or private against him in 30 years except -- >> how do you know? >> well, we know there was never one made public. there was never one made public until two weeks before the election. >> why would they be made public if he has never run before? >> so many people came out and made allegations, and he had been running for president for two years and had announced he was thinking of running and all the allegations come out two weeks before? some of them are people like one claimed she was accosted by him in the middle of the ball game at a charity event. he's like ice. he's not grabbing people or touching. he's shaking and being very
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cordial -- >> but you were not there at that event? >> no, but everybody knows -- >> they brought forward somebody that said i don't think i saw trump there, and i am just saying the facts matter. >> the press reported the facts as they were known and the american people voted decisively to make president trump. >> that's a political debate now. certainly not a legal one. >> it should be legal. it shouldn't be just -- >> you are not going to have a venue for this. >> the three women that came out yesterday, all hillary supporters and one was the donor and the film they are doing is backed by soros -- >> maybe they are hillary supporters because of their experience with the president. this is what the president tweeted this morning.
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kirsten gillibrand, somebody who came to my office begging for campaign contributions not so long ago, and in parentheses, and would do anything for them. now in the ring for trump. very disloyal and used. >> she also attacked bill clinton. >> right, on the basis of the allegations. >> being in new york, she may run against your brother -- >> for governor? >> for the president. >> andrew cuomo has no intentions of running for president. what did he mean, would do anything for them? >> look, i'm not the president. >> would you right that? >> my thing is the president should have those things
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reviewed. >> in this climate would the write that? >> i like that. >> you like the message he just sent? >> what he is pointing out is the hypocrisy, people like kirsten gillibrand, schumer, they were his buddies and now that he's a republican they are out to destroy him. >> this is a man that brought to the debates accusers of bill clinton, and now the same thing being done with his accusers, he says it's fake news and people like you come on to defend it as being -- >> i am a friend of bill clinton and i think he was a great president and i would hope that donald trump and bill clinton could work together, but remember, those women came after politically trump was accused of sexual harassment. i would not have done it and i
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don't think we should be talking about these issues unless there's legal support to talk about it. as a member of the press, you shouldn't have me on cnn saying chris cuomo robbed a bank unless i had evidence in real proof, something 20 years ago, the here say -- >> it's not hear say. it's direct evidence, someboy says it happened to them. >> it's called they say. it's somebody making up an allegation, true or false, and then -- >> they make it up -- >> well, there's a witness that sat across and she can't remember the year she was on the flight or where the flight was going. >> but this guy randomly remembers an event -- >> it took 40 years for her to make the allegation. i mean, the public has voted on
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this and looked at it very carefully. the funny thing about donald trump is, nikki haley said every woman has a right to be heard. donald trump is not stopping anybody from being heard. >> she didn't say they had a right to be believed, though. let's caution her statement. >> let's look at the evidence. i think there's a failure to break down on the media. i think we need the south africa truth commission, where there was an amnesty that people came forward with their behaviors -- >> amnesty for the people who did it? that was about a apartheid. >> i am using that as an example where we have a process where the allegations are aired and people look into it, an independent -- >> would you support that here if congress put together an independent commission to look at what the president has done? >> what i don't like is the democrats are coming in, and we
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had a number of senators calling for his resignation, and a number of them are running for president like cory booker and kirsten gillibrand. >> the president did the same thing in his campaign, he brought forth the accusers of bill clinton? >> you know where they are doing it? >> because the stock market is highest ever, and job markets, the tkeupb exs off the charts, and consumer confidence, and they can't stand the fact that president trump is having success, and border control cut down below -- >> you don't think we need the wall? >> i don't like the wall. donald trump created a wall. >> i appreciate these opinions. i don't want you to get in too much trouble. chris, i appreciate you making these points. i appreciate you pushing back on
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busy reconciling the two tax bills and whatever the outcome, president trump says he will not benefit. is that true? christine romans joins us with the facts. >> he says the tax bill will cost him a fortune and his tax returns are kept secret so it's hard to tell. tax cuts for pass thruz. trump owns hundreds of pass through businesses.
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for somebody like trump that means the top of 36.9%, and that bill lowers the rate to 26%. there are also goodies for the trump family business real estate. both plans allow bigger deductions on commercial property while the house plan won't cap the industry, and both plans benefit the golf course owners. and the amt, the house bill keeps it and fewer people have to pay it. two pages of his 2005 tax return it shows trump paid $31 million because of the amt, and without the amt he would have owed $5
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million that year. finally the estate tax it taxes inheritances on estates $5 million or more, just four provisions that would benefit president trump and his family. >> they have gotten rid of it by making limits so high and he would fall into both buckets. christine, as usual. perfect. voting is under way in alabama. voters will make their choice. this has been bitter but it's an important senate election. alabama is in the national spotlight. david chalian joins us with the key factors we should be watching for today. what is the bottom line, brother? >> let's just remember what a huge uphill climb it is for a democrat in alabama, period. donald trump won by 28 points last year in the presidential election. let me give you three key things to watch as the returns come in
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tonight. first we will show you winston county. this is a huge republican county. this is where roy moore needs to run up the score. not a ton of voters there, a rural county, but this is where we are going to look to see is he bleeding support in his own party, and we also are going to look at the african-american turnout for doug jones, the turnout. montgomery county is a place to look at that, can he run up the score there. it's necessary for doug jones, but not sufficient to have the african-american support. barack obama had record african-american turnout that year but only got 39% of the vote statewide against john mccain. it was not sufficient to get him over the hump. you need it as a democrat, need a big turnout of the african-american voters. look at the overall african-american vote last year,
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89 for clinton and 8% for trump. what percentage of the overall electorate is the vote. that's going to be key because you will see a big divide like this for doug jones tonight. of course remember the primary runoff between roy moore and luther strange, and if roy moore loses tonight he will be 0-2 in this cycle. the 45% the establishment got him. the nonmoore bannon crowd, that's where doug jones will be looking to see if he can peel some of the republicans away to defeat roy moore tonight. >> are women a factor? >> they are. this is where the women play a huge factor, alisyn. luther strange were able to get
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some of the suburban women, and this was before the allegations came out, and that's where doug jones is looking for tonight, reliable and republican women voters around some of the key cities, will they be unable to cast their ballot republican this time because of roy moore, and that's an area doug jones have been targeting. >> the state officials said it would be 20 to 25% voter turnout. >> two weeks before christmas, and the only election on the slate to go out for. >> right. what does that mean? only the diehards turn out? >> well, nobody is trying to persuade anybody at this point, but it's tough to say simply low turnout favors one or the other because it's the composite of the electorate that shows up the most. we see record african-american turnout, if doug jones is
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winning over moore votes, he could put together the brew he needs to win as a democrat in alabama, and that's something we have not seen in sometime. and it will be the composite of the electorate where we will start to get understanding tonight as to who that may benefit. >> you have done a great job of explaining all of that. what time to polls close there? >> 8:00 p.m. eastern, and we should see results trickling in shortly there after, and we will get the bulk of the votes between the 10:00 p.m. and 11:00 p.m. eastern hour. >> we'll be watching. >> who comes out to vote and what is their motivation? we will watch it all day. cnn "newsroom" with poppy harlow and john berman will pick up after this short break. we'll see you tomorrow.
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top of the hour. good morning, everyone. i am poppy harlow. >> i am john berman. the president attacks women that accuses him of sexual misconduct and attacks a u.s. senator because of the accusations, and signs the me too moment are wearing on the president. more than a dozen women have accused the president of sexual misconduct and moments ago he called them false accusations and stories of women i don't know or never met. it includes a women he worked with, and a reporter that interviews him, and on and on. >> and he cut into a u.s. sitting senator, that's kirsten gillibrand of new york, and yesterday on

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