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>> the united states senate is in play in 2018. >> i see it as a sexist smear. it's not going to silence me. >> if your mind is in the gutter, would you have read it that way? >> announcer: this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. it's december 13th, 8:00 in the east. a stunning setback for president trump and the gop. the voters of alabama electing a democrat, doug jones becoming the newest senator in a deeply red state. >> jones defeating gop candidate, roy moore. president trump claims he knew moore would lose but he did post a rare tweet congratulating doug jones. still roy moore refuses to concede even though jones is clearly the winner. >> how clear is it? let's bring in alabama secretary of state, john merrill.

thank you for joining us, sir. we know you had a long night. is it over? >> chris, i know a lot of people would say it's never over until it's over but the margin of victory for doug jones at this time looks like a difficult amount of votes to overcome as the remaining votes out there to be counted next week begin to be considered at the local level. >> what is the actual rule? i know that the state has standards for automatic recount verses an optional recount. what are the rules? >> yes, sir. chris, the recount cannot occur until after the certification occurs and that will occur sometime between the 26th of december but no later than the 3rd of january. if the margin between the two candidates is less than half of 1% an automatic kick-in provision -- an automatic provision will kick in, and an

on demand recount is available. >> you have to pay for it, right? it's not on the state to do it? >> yes, sir. if it's automatic the state will pay for it. but the state -- >> what is the percentage chance this race winds up being automatically state recounted? >> well, chris, the numbers that we saw last night had a margin of 1.5%, not less than half of 1%. so there's a significant difference in the numbers right now, but time will tell as the numbers continue to come in and are verified through provisional bllots, and then the write-in margin that will begin being

vetted today in each of the 67 counties throughout the state. >> roy moore has not conceded. is that relevant? >> well, i am sure it's relevant to them and to others but i don't think it's relevant to doug jones today. i think that's something that will get additional attention as time continues to move forward. >> what is your sense of why doug jones won? >> well, i think a lot of people in our state were very discouraged about information from the allegations that were introduces. i think there's a lot of things that are being considered throughout our state and our nation in regard to the admin station, and things that are going on in washington and throughout the world. i think the people of alabama wanted to make sure their voice was heard and that their votes were counted and that's the reason they voted in a record number unprecedented in the special election, and this race received more media coverage than any race in the history of

alabama. >> did you support roy moore? >> i voted for judge moore, and that has been well documented and recorded. >> yeah, i know. but i am saying you supported him despite the allegations, so does that mean you don't believe the women? >> no, it means i voted for judge moore, and i stated the reasons that i voted for judge moore. judge moore is not the victor in this campaign. >> this, as you said, is a referendum, and it was more about two choices, decency and the bottom of what we accept towards -- >> chris, it's about a number of issues, absolutely. i think one of the things that is very important to remember is that there were so many things that were introduced. i think that's one of the reasons that judge moore's support was as strong as it was considering everything that was introduced throughout the campaign, especially in the last month of the campaign, people made votes for judge moore

because of issues related to the supreme court, and because of issues related to tax reform, and so there are a number of things like that that had to be considered as were considered by me when i decided how to cast my ballot for the republican nominee. >> i am saying now this is a period of reflection and people are trying to figure out the way it did. how did you reconcile voting for moore with the seriousness of the allegations? >> chris, like i said before, this campaign was not about me, and this election was not about me or my vote but about the 1.3 million people in alabama that decided that they wanted to participate in the electoral process in record numbers and set a new standard and today a new day for alabama as they move forward and send doug jones apparently to the u.s. senate. >> well, it can be about them today but if you decide to run for that seat in 2020, which some speculate you might, that you would be a strong candidate,

you will have to answer why you voted for roy moore and what does that mean about whether or not you believe the accuser, it will come back. >> yes, sir, i appreciate you having me as a guest on your show this morning. >> mr. secretary of state, we look forward to the certification and i appreciate you being on "new day." >> yes, sir. >> be well and merry christmas. >> thank you. let's bring in our cnn political analyst to discuss this. we have john avalon and reporter and editor at large for cnn, chris cillizza. >> did you see the head action going on when i was asking that question. >> i have a great way to get out of questions i don't want to answer. thank you for having me on the show. >> i'm going through a tunnel. >> okay, back to the story of the day. what is the big picture here of roy moore's loss and doug jones' win.

>> this is a roll tied through virginia to alabama last night, and a lot of washington analyst thought even though roy moore was an extreme candidate and even though the allegations that the gravity would take hold with red state conservatism, i think we saw two things. there's such a thing as too extreme in american politics, still. as chris documented, it's about the overall profile. he always had problems winning over suburban districts. if you look at the demographic break, it's between suburban and rural, and suburban swung hard against roy moore last night. >> i think that's right. just one other thing, base, excitement, and then this matters to 2018. the democratic base, if you told me the african-american percentage of the vote would be

higher than it was in 2012 for barack obama in alabama, and the percentage that both won by 91 or 92 points, for a guy, doug jones, candidly nobody knew two months ago is stunning. that is a lot about roy moore and donald trump. doug jones had a civil rights background, but the democratic base is hugely empowered. the republican base, the trump base that elected donald trump is much less so. you are seeing more erosion between suburban whites and more erosion with those with college educations, and yes, roy moore -- what you will hear today is there are not roy moore's in every state and this is not a broad problem, and

trump won there by 28 points. you can argue that virginia is now more of a democratic state, and nobody would think even after this election that alabama is a swing state or a lean democratic state. a democrat getting elected there is remarkable. >> isn't this election a little too weird and outrageous to be able to translate or apply to midterms? >> insane is the new normal in america, and this is not going to be replicatable in, say, mississippi, or other states in the deep south. it shows the core of independence and american voters that maybe only under extreme circumstances will vote for the person and not the party. gillespie was not able to overcome the enthusiasm or the anger among democrats or the

motivation they feel. >> how much of a one off is roy moore if you look at it through the lens of what the proposition of donald trump is for voters in the country. look at what happened with the kirsten gillibrand tweet. the idea is how low is too low? at what point is the decency not going to vote. they did not come out the way the democrats did, and they will come out to vote against you because they find you indecent. >> i don't think a democrat will win in mississippi, but the lesson, this is not going to be a facsimile in every state, but the lesson you take is donald trump and trumpism, and that moral vacuum, and who can say what facts are, and that is a massive motivator for democrats. >> i think you see it moore now -- the idea of trump as a candidate, oh, he probably won't

win, and now that he is president i think democrats say now is the time we need to vote. >> look, it shouldn't take sort of a crisis to wake people up, and democracy is a responsibility we need to tend to every day, and that bannon wing of the party that basically backed donald trump and drove the election hard, all the political capital against the quote, unquote, the establishment, a major repaoudation for that effort. if you add virginia and this you start to look at a fact pattern that could have real implications for 2018. >> if you think to the bannon point, if you think steve bannon will go away because roy moore lost you do not know steve bannon. they will -- they have and will continue to blame this on mitch mcconnell and on insufficient support by -- they will not go away. steve bannon said he is trying to beat every single republican

incumbent except for ted cruz. >> he could end upbeating the republican party into a minority status. >> donald trump is not going to be the guy that says i was wrong. and this morning his tweet said i was right. >> and congressman king said this. they need to dump steve bannon. bannon must go and go now. it's unclear where he wants bannon to go. he's not in government anymore. >> donald trump sees a kindred spirit in steve bannon, a guy that charges the barricades and everybody rights off and says he doesn't know what he's talking about but he's really right. donald trump will continue to listen to steve bannon, and as

long as that happens and takes his phone call, he's not going away. >> if bannonism can't win in alabama, you have a fundamental problem. >> and they're a core constituency in the republican party that is a bannon and moore constituency. >> we will play with this with congressman king when he's on the show. debb debbie dingell was on with alisyn. me too matters. decency towards minority and women matters, and my wallet matters well. flint, michigan, they are still hit hard. take bannon out of it and that's a raw populism that matters and that's why the vote margin that just got narrowed in the senate just got narrower.

>> and then marginalized by identity politics. that democratic civil war, don't underestimate that, there's going to be unity in the face of trying to topple trump, and you have seen in the case of virginia and alabama, those on the far left of the party, their voices have been violencsilencet in perspective. >> we think they will have got it together by then. >> yeah, they believe -- they believe it has to happen. they believe if they do not do this, they will lose sweepingly in 2018. candidly, if you look at alabama

and the disparity between base motivation, they may lose overwhelmingly no matt kwraer w they do. will it change anything? i think you will see every republican elected official wake up with a renewed sense of fear about this coming election, because john makes a point and i think you cannot underestimate it. yes, roy moore is a unique kphaeur character. this is not a governor governor it's any member of congress who sits in any district has to pay attention. doesn't mean you will lose, but it means you are on watch more so than you ever thought you could be. >> thank you both very much. what will democrats learn from doug jones' victory in the deep

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>> that was senator-elect doug jones encouraging democrats to follow his lead. he edged out embattled roy moore to win the senate seat. now joining us is a member of the democratic national committee. what time did you learn about the election last night? >> 10:15. the returns were not final yet and it was a jump ball and i have known him for 20 years, and he's the real deal. he's a person of faith who puts his faith in action every day. he wants to help folks in alabama get better jobs and get access to health care. it's all about the kitchen table issues, that's what it's about and i couldn't be happy for him. >> when you learned of his victory on a scale of 1 to 10 on

the shock spectrum, 10 being the most shocked, where were you? >> i was thrilled for him. did you see this coming? >> we looked at the polls. doug was the underdog. let's be honest. there's no doubt about it. the reason doug won, he organized everywhere across the state. you look at lee county alabama, named after robert e. lee, and trump won that county, and doug won it by 17 points yet. african-americans have been the backbone of the democratic party, and when you lead with your values and you organize early and everywhere and the dnc got in early, we got in quietly but unmistakebly. you see new jersey and a bunch of other mayors races and this

is undeniably a trend. >> it sounds as though you think you can glean some lessons for the democrats from this alabama race that you can apply to the m mid-terms, and it may not apply to other states. >> i respectfully disagree. the reason i disagree we have other evidence. there were three special elections in oklahoma this summer. these were beat red trump districts, one senate seat and two state house seats and we won all three, because, again, we had great candidates that listened to the voters and they cared about and talked about the issues that mattered most to voters, and there were other elections in new hampshire, florida, iowa and elsewhere. you look at kansas. donald trump won kansas last year by 14 points and the democrats picked that 14 seats

in the kansas state house. why? because people like sam brownback and chris coback are off to the right. we can win everywhere and we have a 57-state and territory strategy, and what doug did yesterday was exactly what we are doing nationwide, going to every corner of the country and lead with your values, talk about the issues that people care about the most, and that's how you win elections. that's what we have seen in 2017. that's what we are going to see, i think, in 2018 as well. >> your fellow democrat, congressman, debbie dingell of michigan feels differently and she feels it's a little premature for the victory lap. let me play for you what she

cautions. >> a i-thii think we have to bel not to overreact and the american people in general are still angry, and they are going to hold us accountable. we can sometimes get very much -- too much into the beltway, and i think we have got to remember what the issues are going to be next november. >> what about the amount of voters who were so angry and voted to elect donald trump and didn't feel the democrats represented their issues? what is your message to them? >> absolutely. i agree with congressman dingell, there's no cause for a spike in footballs here and we're a long way from the mountain top, and we have to organize everywhere, not just simply in wayne county and flint, michigan, we have to be across the state listening and learning from voters about what they think. that's exactly what we have been doing. we understand. that's why doug jones was focused on access to health care and that's why he was focused on

job training, good jobs, making sure people work a full time job can feed their family and lead a stress free life. that's what people are focused on. there are a lot of people across the country, we have to hear the voices. that's why i have been all over the country listening to union members in detroit, and listening to folks in rural wisconsin, and listening to african-american voters in georgia and elsewhere and listening to latinos in arizona, and we can win everywhere but we have to do a better job of listening. we have been organizing and listening, and our message is all about making peoples' lives better. >> what about the idea that doug jones is a centrist candidate? did that tell you anything about how you should deal with or the effectiveness of the left wing of the democratic party? >> i think -- again, i have known doug for 20 years, and doug's north star will always be

what is best for alabama and i think doug won yesterday because it was not about left versus right but right versus wrong. doug has been fighting for things right for people, and justice for young girls who were tragically murdered at the 16th street baptist church. doug wanted to fight the culture wars, and the culture of corruption that exist here in washington. that's why democrats are focused on those core issues that are all about making sure that everybody can realize their highest and best dreams. >> chairman tom perez, thank you for being on "new day." >> thank you. republicans slamming steve bannon in this round of reflection and blame for pushing the party towards somebody like roy moore. are republicans going to turn their back on steve bannon? does he matter that much?

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one of the rules of politics is when you lose you blame and republicans are blaming former white house chief strategist steve bannon for the loss in alabama. bannon encouraged donald trump to support roy moore, and all despite the allegations of sexual molestation and assault. and peter king says gop must do the right thing and dump bannon. if we are to make america great again for all americans, bannon must go and go down. congressman king joins me now. thank you very much. if i don't get to speak to you again, merry christmas to you and the family. >> you, too. why bannon? why is he such a big deal?

>> it's not a political issue but a moral issue. this guy does not belong on the national stage. he looks like a drunk that wondered on to the national stage. i consider myself a catholic, and to me it's demeaning, the whole government and political process. this morning i call on the president to speak from the white house. whether he was involved in the white house, trying to undercut the president on his foreign policy, whether he makes -- he encourages racial duh sreuivisi. it's not the type of person we need in american politics. >> i know where you are from,

but did you just call steve bannon a deshoveled drunk? >> i said he looks like one. >> you know those are fighting words when it comes to steve bannon, and is that a fight you want to take on? >> i have no problem. he mocked ivanka trump, and this person to me, bannon, does not belong on the american political scene. there's nothing there that i identify with and nothing there that good americans should identify with. >> steve bannon is largely credited with architecting the trump connection to his base, that bannon knows that base and that's why the president relies on him whether he is in the white house or he is out doing his thing as we saw in alabama. how do you separate bannon from the president in terms of what you guys need to adjust in your party? >> i think the president is a

different person from steve bannon, and he's the president that won all the primaries before steve bannon got involved. if anybody won the last election it was trump. i think bannon got too much credit for it, and by the time he got onboard he already won the primaries. >> you did not back roy moore, and the president did, and he said the seat matters more than the allegations, and that was the message to my ears. did you agree with that? >> no, i didn't. i was on with wolf blitzer, and i said no, i would not endorse roy moore and ethical issues are more important than politics, and anybody can have allegations made but it was the way he tried to deny them and even on the sean hannity show, he was being cavalier about the denial, the whole attitude and tone, so i said before the election that i

was not supporting roy moore. i did not make a big issue out of it because the last thing in alabama need is somebody with an accent like yours or mine or your brother's coming down and telling them how to vote. >> hold on a second. you think you and i have the same accent? >> you and your brother -- >> no, you and my brother do. i don't have that. don't lump me in with you guys, peter king. >> i am trying to give you status. >> i am trying to keep my safe distance. let me ask you something. >> all right. >> you said this was a little moral position, this was a moral event of what happened in the election last night, and to the extent that is true, what do you see in terms of where does this go next? that tweet that trump sent to gillibrand, okay, even if the white house is right and the president didn't mean it the way the senator took it and a lot of other people, as you know, as a

sexist smear, the "usa today" said he called gillibrand a whore, and it's about doing the right thing and being the right way, do you need to call that out as well? >> i was on a national show yesterday morning when that tweet broke and i said the president was wrong, again, and what his intent was, and the fact that he's the president always lashes back. he feels he has to win every fight. he's the president of the united states and you should not get involved in that and be above it, and he's the commander-in-chief and leader of the free world -- >> you fight. you wouldn't say that to a woman? >> i get a long with kirsten gillibrand. we don't agree with a lot but work closely together -- >> i am not saying there's a double standard. i am talking about decency. the way you talk about people

matters, and is that a little bit of the take away from last night that decency does matter, and there's a bottom and a too far that you can go with disrespect of minorities and sensitivities and issues? >> yeah, i think the president, again, should stop those type of tweets and realize that you can attack somebody -- i just said this morning that i think bannon looks like a deshoveled drunk, and i say that because he goes out of his way to look everyday when he's a goldman sachs millionaire. >> i appreciate your perspective on the show today. you are always welcome on "new day." >> that creates the whole new issue, maybe i come from the irish part of queens, and i have the semi-irish accent.

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time for the five things to know for your "new day." democrat doug jones pulls off a major upset in alabama defeating republican rival, roy moore. he is the first democrat in decades to clinch a seat in

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it's a shocker, but democrat, doug jones, heading to the u.s. senate after pulling off the big-time win in the solidly red state of alabama. it had been 25 years since they put a democrat in a senate seat. why did he win? let's get the bottom line with cnn's senior political analyst, mr. mark preston. mark? >> you are right. last night doug jones needed a royal flush which you never get in a card game, but the fact he did, it came down to key demographic groups. blacks made up 29% of the electorate last night. it's two points higher than what we saw when barack obama ran in 2012. in doing so right here, doug jones got 96% of the

african-american vote. we saw what barack obama did with the robocall, and cory booker went down to alabama to get out the vote. clearly that was successful. let's look at the white voters now, too. it's not just what we saw with black voters but with white voters. if you look at historic data, this is not a good showing for roy moore. if you go back to previous elections, the republican candidate won four out of five white voters so not as a strong showing. let's move to the gender gap. when you look at female voters right now, doug jones got 57%, and roy moore got 41%. look at the striking number we saw right here. mothers with children under the age of 18 broke two to one for doug jones. they moved away from roy moore. that is a huge number and in many ways it had to wonder if it had to do with the sexual misconduct allegations against

roy moore. did it play a factor? 52% of the people that voted yesterday said the allegations were probably true and 42% said they were probably false, and the 42% is troubling given all the information we had been given. and moving on, the urban rural divide. if you look at urban areas, doug jones won 85% and roy moore picked up 14%. the rural vote and you look at these numbers here, and this is very, very important because as you see right here, roy moore picked up 51% and doug jones gut 37%, and when you look at the suburban vote, areas outside of the cities, and in a state like alabama it gets very rural very quickly. in many ways what we are seeing is a protest vote by moderate and centrist republicans that did not want to support roy

moore. alisyn? >> mark, we just had congresswoman debbie dingell on, and she said it's way too early for democrats to take a victory lap. what do you think going forward? is it time to start the countdown clock on the screen for texas and illinois? >> will this translate? >> it will in the way -- let me take the peter king interview and tie it together with the perez interview. when you said what was the teake away? 26 are running their own elections, and we heard tom perez said they went in quietly, and you will not see the national party go into states such as indiana and wisconsin and other states such as that. you will see democrats certainly raising a lot of money, but i

suspect you will not see the national party playing a role in some of these states that are traditionally republican, and go into 2018, ten of the states where democrats are running for re-election donald trump won and he won handily by double digits. >> there's a civil war going on within the gop, and it had been that bannon was throwing the punches. now he is taking them. that new york congressman, peter king, he's a rock-ribbed republican, and here's what he had to say about bannon. >> this guy does not belong on the national stage. he looks like some duh shovelled drunk that wondered on to the national stage. i consider myself a conservative republican and irish catholic and he parades himself out there with the weird alt-right views he has and it's demeaning the whole governmental process.

>> what is your take on that? >> so much for process. if moore had won we would see a civil war because it would embolden steve bannon to cause a bigger headache. no question about it. the republican party right now needs to find its way head into 2018. republicans this morning such as peter king and mitch mcconnell and paul ryan, they are breathing a sigh of relief that roy moore cannot be used against them head into 2018. >> that's interesting, in some ways it's a win for the republicans and a loss for democrats. that's not what it likes like ostensively, but how they manage this over the next couple of months it could be flip flopped. >> it's a win for democrats, but only until 2020. it's not a full six--year-term, so a lot to be decided. cnn "newsroom" with poppy harlow and john berman will pick up after this quick break. we'll see you tomorrow. ♪ video-game dance music

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♪ top of the hour. good morning, everyone. i am poppy harlow. >> and i am john berman. the only thing worse than endorsing a child molester is endorsing a child molester who loses. democratic doug jones is going to the senate. he beat republican roy moore than a point there, and roy moore was accused of molesting a young girl, and the president endorsed him but now says never mind. >> the president says i end