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when i had therapy in the past and going into the office, it does feel sterile. >> when we are out walking, we are moving forward and it is the exact same thing in the therapy process, withe are moving forwa. what everybody have been waiting for weeks, there is a final bill and there will be no changes. >> i think we are going to be in a position to pass something as early as next week snooc. >> sources tell us that the president's lawyers are planning to meet with special counsel, robert mueller. >> when robert mueller picking his team, he's fishing in the trump's forum. >> he's way beyond the pail of his criticisms of the fbi and
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the doj. >> united states will use all necessary measures to defend itself from north korea. the united states must defend itself if there is immediate threat from security. this is "new day weekend." >> happy saturday to you. >> the final details of the bill, we have it for you, they were released last night. despite the pledge of reducing the income tax bracket. the bill does keep all seven. it lower tax brackets, tax rates for some of this. >> you see them on your screen. i will speak lowly so you can
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read them. corporate tax rate drop from 35% to 21% and calling for $2,000 child tax credit now is refundable. marco rubio from a no to a yes. >> individuals are able to deduct up to $10,000 in state and local taxes and the estate tax exemption is going to be doubled. obamacare did take a hit under this plan. with no democrats report, republicans cannot afford to lose more than two votes here. cnn, abby phillips is with us now. the president called rubio on this bill after rubio became a yes vote. did we know what they discussed? >> that call was thank you rubio for the bill.
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he was a key piece of the puzzle. ivanka trump who had been working rubio on the tax credit for many months. the president and the white house working very hard over the last few days, working on the phone to make sure all loose ends are tied up in next week. there are obviously, some things that could go wrong. they are feeling consciously optimistic about this process at the moment. >> abby phillip, appreciate it. >> the chicago sun times chief is with me. good morning to you. >> what does this mean for the president? >> so one, you have to score as a legislative win and two, maybe a mix flushing when people fill out their taxes in a few months whether or not they'll find out if they'll save or not. this is not a one side tax plan
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where everybody will get a break and a lot will in 2018. >> lets talk about what it means for 2018 because republicans believe this will be their selling point as they try to keep their seats and run for reelection. this is not strong enough to lift the president's approval number. he's still in the low to mid-30s. i think they are because sometimes you don't know the impact of a tax cut until you really see it and until you see your check and really know. there is a psychology of taxes where people pay more than 1% of federal income tax where they don't see it because of the complexity in the system and how tax are deducted on paychecks. the psychology is it will give
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individuals, maybe depending but probably in 2018 more money. politically that may not translate into enough of a win. >> i want to ask you the same question, i want to ask our next guest, is this compares to 2009 when democrats push through the affordable care act and ran on 2010 and president obama called it a lacking. the approval rate is 29%. could they see what democrats saw in 2010 after pushing through major legislation on a single party vote? >> the historically the party in power of the white house lose a seat in the election. on top of it you have all the other controversies and that's what makes it different. obama in 2010 did not have all the investigations and personal
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controversies and the turn in the white house. this is going to be harder to compare but i think that it is legitimate to run on a sane where it is the biggest tax. it is going to be true that the benefits will go to top earners. >> lynn sweet, thank you for joining us. >> lets go to john, our radio host. good morning to you. >> good morning. let me give you the question that lynn just answered. after running on the affordable care act that was passed, 29% approval rating of the poll responded. are you concerned going into 2018 and see what benefits?
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>> they have to get the number up. people don't know what's in it. this morning they're going to be watching cnn and looking up their paper and try to federal government out what exactly is going to be on their tax bill the next time they file so since the focus was about the making, republicans have to shift the focus on how good the sausage tastes when you pfry it up in te pan. it is good they have this bill to go back and presumably to have this bill to go back to their district with. you don't want to go back this time of the year of nothing with polls. they need to sell it. this is something that republicans have been talking about for years and this is something that paul ryan cares about a lot. if it is something where they sell it back home, they'll be fine. let me ask you before we move onto the other issues. president trump tweeted at the end of october, we'll repeal and replace and have healthcare soon
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after tax cut. do you think it is realistic that capitol hill is going to go back now. i think they should. >> i suspect they will. if he's going to get it done, he's got to get it done right now. they have a republican majority and as len noynn noted in the previous section. the window is right now. that's a bigger issue for congress than it is for trump. members of congress have been running for cycle after cycle in repealing and replacing obamacare. the issue for trump is immigration on the wall. if he does not come through on that process then he's toast. he ran on the repeal and replace as well. lets move now to the cdc.
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center for disease control and preventi prevention. we are given a list of words that's banned in budget request in 2018. vulnerable, entitlement, diversity, transgender and fetus, evidence-based and science-based. >> what's the politics of this? >> it reminds me "i love lucy" when she was not able to say pregnant but expecting. >> you are suggesting they are not the source of this. >> no, his political people, the people in the department of health and human services did come up with this. trump ran as a guy, a talking guy who can have ten conversations. i don't like it when the company gets cute with these sorts of
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things. in the state of california, they do that are the ballot proposition all the time. this is something that lets a bunch of people out of prison early. >> i think they are dead wrong by banning these words and they should reverse themselves. >> clear enough. >> john phillips, thanks so much for being with us. >> thank you. >> well, this morning, an aggressive warning. state media says the u.s. could soon face disgrace or destruction. the regime called president trump old lunatic and frighten. james mattis says the regime current missile cannot reach the u.s. mainland but encourage tillerson to continue their diplomatics on pyongyang. the deaths are suspicious. >> president trump's lawyers are
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new developments this morning of the russia investigation. sources say president trump's lawyers are set to meet with special counsel mueller. >> sources tell us that the president's lawyers are planning to meet with robert mueller and his team and we are told of what the president hopes. the trump legal team led by john
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dowel and secoulo is hoping to see signs. they had other meetings. the white house says everyone who works there and mueller asked to interview have not gone in for an interview. earlier last week when white house counsel mcgahn sat down on his interview and turned over documents requested by the special counsel. >> we have a statement called seculo on what he says, we'll not discuss. it is important to note that there is no requirements for mueller to give them any information. they're hoping he's going to show his cards and there is a chance he won't do that. the mueller investigation is moving requeing quickly than st into years.
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he's been on the job or seven months and he brought charges to four people including two who made false statements to the fbi. bottom line, this is the president and the republicans want the cloud of this investigation. cnn news new york, evan perez. we know british's publicist rob goldstone can also appear. what can he bring to this investigation? >> well, he says in a british newspaper that he wants to put on the record of his involvement bringing together manafort and donald trump jr. and the e-mail
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he had sent says that he had official documents discrediting hillary clinton. that was clear in his e-mails. this was what he apparently wants to put some explanations behind that. it is interesting watching how this is played out. gold stone talked about the e-mail and being there, he's a russian lawyer and would have connection to the government. she was on television here discrediting the whole hypothesis that goldstone have laid out here. he will put some lights on that on the investigation. >> we know they spoken about
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russia meddling in the past. is there an expectation or belief that there could be a diplomatic relationship between these two despite what intel tells us of what happened with the meddling? >> well, certainly, we caught a lot of people by surprise. a, vladimir putin, when he gave his annual, he was asked how assess of president trump and he said he's done good thing for the economy and president trump thank him for highlighting the american economy and they talked about a lot of issues including north korea and as far as we know the meddling in the u.s. elections. however, you know the position
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dpen if y again if you look for president putin. he thinks this whole investigation is imagination and this is under minding the national security of the united states and effectively, the investigation should not be going on. his focus on domestic issues right now and he got an election coming up for presidency in march next year. he does not want to be distracted by all of this and what's going on in the united states. for putin is trying to keep to the peripheral and not what he wants to talk about at the moment. while we have had a little bit of attention on the issue on television here, it is not a whole lot. >> all right, grateful for the
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25 minutes past the hour. i am christi paul. >> i am victor blackwell. it is good to be with you. >> a key vote is set for tuesday. president trump could be days away from delivering on his promise for tax cut during christmas in exchange of the president getting his first win this year. within the last 12 hours, senate leaders won over key republican h hold out. they say they now have the vote. the stock market reaching one record high after another and the white house, many cheered
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on. a tax cut to push through to kickoff business growth. the story of a great depression echoes what already happened and it could happen again. joining me now, the author of "the great depression," steven moore and robert, robert, let me start with you. you have seen the show before. explain. the best example of that is in the 1920s when the republicans are in charge of the whole government as they are right now and they have an ideology belief and shoveling more and more money to the people in the top and leak through those below.
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that does not work on a consumption based economy. i don't think it results in anything bad right away. >> well, that's not a correct portrayal of history. >> it was one of the most prosperous decades in american history. after the cool issue tax cuts of the early 1920s and what caused the great depression was the terror and the tax increases that were passed by hoover and franklin roosevelt. if these policies are so horrible, i wonder if he could explain we that had the 1960s, the decade of the united states and john f. kennedy was the first supplier,
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he slashed tax rates by 30% on individuals and corporations. after he did that, we had three years of 6% growth and of course, for those poeople who ae old enough to remember, the terrible depression. reagan came in and cut taxes and russians and the 80s was a boom after reagan was reelected after 49 states. he's got his history wrong. >> robert had the widest smile waiting to respond. let me ask you stephen to say the plant led to the roaring 20s. when do voters know if what potentially the president will sign this week will have worked? when will they know that the
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growth will be directly attributable to this tax plan? >> well, we already have 2% growth under barack obama for eight years and now in the first year of donald trump, we have got half a percent growth. this is the question, can we get to the 4% growth like people like myself predicted. i think people will feel early next year of a big increase tie because you are going to see that, people are going to start feeling that in their paychecks and february of the big boost from their paychecks from the tax cuts. >> robert to you, i want you to respond to decades that stephen said. >> everything stephen is saying absolutely wrong and beginning with the idea that somehow the cause of the great depression was not while it was going on in the roaring 20s but rather it
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was tariffs and it commits in making things worse. if you look at the two times income that's been most concentrated at the very top 100%, you will find it was 1927 and 1928 and again in 2007 and both of those times are followed by the economic collapse after that. the discussion of the kennedy tax cut which is trickled down is a vastly different situation and as stephen said correctly it was a tax cut to the middle class as well to business. this one only pretends to go to the middle class. mr. trump talks about it is unbelievable and incredible. that's the only two words that he said is true. everything he says is unbelieverabunbelieve unbloefabunbloe
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unbelievable and incredible. the other thing about what follows the kennedy tax cuts is the great society program which stimulated the economy and all sorts of way by giving power to people in the lower ranks of society. it is exactly the opposite of what's going to happen with this. the plan is clear and paul ryan is a teenager and destroying the new deal and he can see that coming in and envisioning it now by using huge deficits that's comiing from this tax cut. >> let me ask you stephen, how do you reconcile what committee on taxation says this legislation of the most recent and what we are seeing now would add a trillion dollars to the deficit by 2027 and what the republicans say it stands for.
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i want to read from the 2016 platform where it says we must in firm -- remove the burden on future generations and again, additional trillion dollars in 2027 reconcile it to? >> my book called "the end of prosperity" sets this forward. republicans have become the party of growth and trying to create more prosperity for the country. this is a tax cut after, lets face it for ten years, we have seen no budge of middle class income. we tried barack obama's way and it did not work too well. now we are going to see a faster rope. if we are right about that. the 3% point increase of growth
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rate in the ten years reduce deficits three $3 trillion. we cannot afford not to do this tax cut because if we continue at 1.9% growth as we had with barack obama, we are never going to conquer this huge deficit. >> we got to wrap it there. stephen moore and robert mcelvaine. >> thank you very much. the trump's administration is prohibiting dr. dc -- i want to see the words here so you know what i am talking about. vulnerable, entitlement, diversity, transgender, fetus,
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evidence-based, science-based. all of those terms are banned being used. do you get any indication as to why these particular words were banned. we can see a conservative political power play going on here but vulnerable and evidence based, what did you hear? >> well, the official who told me this says there was no explanation given when they were given those instructions just that these words were not to be used and they were broken into two buckets. you know this is the typically of the year when the federal agencies are submitting their budget documents to have full budget put together, the president's budget will come out in february and agencies except up drafts and they notice that when some drafts can bounce back and three of the words were
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flafla flags. those were vulnerable, entitlement and diversity. when the leader of the financial team was given these instruction to the officials, she also said that there were some words that they had been told and she gave this instruction verbally and not included. there was no explanation given and i am wondering officials told me if it is possible or some that could be related to over use or for example, if every piece of documents have the word evidence-based or science-based, maybe that's too much. phrases that were given that were substitutes for the words that they were bidding. in other case, the officials
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took it to mean as an ideologicalt word fetus. the reaction was in credulous. people are saying, are you serious or are you kidding? >> we'll have to see the intention behind this. lena sun. thank you very much. after a boost in alabama, can the democratic party keep the momentum heading into the midte midterm. we weigh in.
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jones defeated roy moore. this is a win democrats are still cheering heading into the 2018 midterms. now, democrats have high hopes in success. they have a bigger challenge of winning back voters' trust in states that was flipped from blue to red in 2016. is the party still provided? >> i will let you talk about this with our columnist with the dallas morning news. cnn political commentator maria c cardona. marie ma mar maria, doug jones winning in alabama, is a rejection of the gop or from one man? >> i think it was a little bit
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of both, christi. i think that democrats can certainly take advantage of the momentum. we have to be committed in making investments early and investments that are authentic connection to the city. i think what happened in alabama was historic and that those investments were made early and doug jones had the relationships for years and years in the communities he was working and other groups came into make sure that those connections with the african-american voters that were made and with african-american women were made. they were made in a personal and real way. i think that's a model for democrats to move forward. they have to make these investments early on. this is something i have been talking about for years and years. simone knows this and she agrees with me. we cannot take for granted the community that supports the
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democratic party. if we make these voters understand that they are important to us and we will be with them every step of the way. they'll come out for us. they are motivated and democrats are motivated across the country and all of these communities and i think we can take advantage but we have to be committed to doe doing so. >> you are leading me into right the question that i have for you carl. i know you wrote in the dallas morning news, you were talking about senator turner who said excluding independence was quote "the hype of hypocrisy for a party that seeks their general election votes." >> nina says that of the first two days that set up the bridge for sanders and gaps from 2016. it had to do with the fact where
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independence are allowed to vote. the sanders people came out pretty well on the two days. nina turners' comments the next day were positive. the meeting had a lot to do with bridging those gaps and bringing in unity to the party which is an important thing but not po t important of the candidate they raise. independence are important and one o f the two main groups that went for trump in 2016 were suburban independents and we have seen the pattern all year of those groups going into the democrats. roy moore was historically a bad candidate but the key groups that went to the democrats there were a large african-american turn out and suburban
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independent moderate voters. many of them were republicans. that's a crucial win for the democrats and they need to have candidates appealing to those. >> i want to listen to simone here with you with joe biden, he said this of his plan for 2020. here is that view. >> if i were offered the nomination today, i would say no because we are not ready. our family is not ready to do this. if a year from now and we are ready and no one have moved in and i think i can do it then. >> is there a leader that you see that anybody can identify that will move in? >> i think it is actually too early to tell. i think if we look closer to november 2018, i would say post this summer, summer of 2018, that's when additional
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candidates will be emerging. if 2007, obama made over appearances during the mid tern elections. he was out there pounding the pavement on the ground. he was one of the most requested to come out. i think we have to look and see who's going o out the campaign trails. those are the individuals that have their momentums. i want to make one point of the independence and t independents and the republicans. yes, we need those groups. we have done extensive polling surveys around these people. i just want to be clear that alabama would not have happened if just independence and the republicans made a turn or for the democrats or even a few of them. but, also mobilization of based
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democratic voters. the democratic party apparatus that i have been talking about extensively. what we saw in alabama and virginia for that matter and places across the country, democrats have talked to us a little bit more and investing a little bit more and that's why we are witnessing. >> speaking of the ground games, in alabama people were focused on victory. and he was delighted that the dnc hired 30 organizers to support field efforts. that was the ground game that we need. do you see ground game is the strategy for the democrats. >> one of the problems they had and with the fact that many states and many districts, they just let them go to the republicans and did not contest. for example, in texas, the democrats have a congressional
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candidate and everyone of the districts in texas is in 2018. it was alabama, they put together an awesome get out to vote effort. without it, the democrats would not have won. harder to do it on a 50 state bases. they contest everything and don't give up districts. when you do that, you will pick off something you don't expect to. >> maria, before i let you go. do you see a leader of the democratic party to emerging yet? >> donna brazil says there is 51 people she counted that expressed interests in running or have mentioned. i think it will be later of summer of or spring of 2019. >> i will chime in on that, too. >> i think it is way too early. it could be somebody that none of us have talked about yet.
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that's what's exciting about this time right now. i think right now democrats are not so much focused on 2020. we are focused on 2018, going into the midterm election to take advantage of the momentum that we saw where democrats swept across the board and so many locals and statewide elections where we saw minorities of being elected where we saw people, america from all walks of life saying they have had it with this president and this white house and the republican party that refuses to stand up for middle class voters or for working class voters or women and minorities and lgbt. this is the kind of election that's going to focus and not just on the antitrump message because there is a lot of that. focused on getting america back on full american values that make sure that everybody has a
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