the gains of the populist right have been even more staggering, now controlling 15% of the feets, five times more than it did in 1999. thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week. i'll see you next week. merry christmas, happy hanukkah and season's greetings. hey, i'm brian stelter. this is "reliable sours," weekly look at the story behind the story and how the media really works and how the news gets made. ahead this hour, disney. most of 21st century fox. why is sarah sanders saying this could be good for jobs while wall street expects layoffs? we'll get into that. stunning remarks by fox's rupert murdoch who says that fox's sexual harassment claims are nonsense. did he really say that? a story you'll have to hear about a mexican reporter

detained in the united states. he says deportation could equal death. his lawyer will join me to explain. first, robert mueller is investigating russia's attack on the american election. now he is under attack. in this new assault is not coming from moscow. it's coming from fox news headquarters right here in new york. and it's coming from the white house. it's an anti-mueller, anti-fbi feedback loop, claiming that mueller's probe is hopelessly biased and downright corrupt. let's cue fox. >> i think what we have here is potentially one of the biggest scandals in american history where we're seeing, you know, our justice system being used to really change the outcome of an election. >> that's from "fox & friends" just today. now let's cue trump aide kellyanne conway last night. >> the fix was in against donald trump from the beginning.

they were pro hillary. >> this is the feedback loop in action. i want you to see it over and over again. fox, trump, his aides, gop lawmakers, all of them, are taking a legitimate issue, the discovery of a mueller team member who expressed his hatred of trump in texmessages, now they're blowing it up, tlie trying to discredit the entire probe. that team member was removed from the probe when the text negligents were found. every day it's some new reason to claim that special counsel is illegitimate. try to notice how this works. right wing commentators and gop lawmakers are being owing each other. pay close attention to the banners on the bottom of fox's screen. last night, i can't believe this, fox is asking if the fbi has engaged in a coup. this morning, the banner said the investigators are in the hot seat. this isn't just an alternate reality.

this is a reversal of reality. obviously it's trump world that son the hot seat. four trump associates have been charged with crimes. two of the four have pled guilty. mueller is investigating a massive fire. everyone can see and smell the smoke. this, instead, is what the president is hearing. >> the only thing that remains is whether we have the fortitude to not just fire these people immediately but to take them out in cuffs. >> that is jenine pirro, one of trump's informal advisers, not just calling for firings but arrests. i don't say this lightly but these fots, friends of trumps, are talking like propagandispro. other fox hosts are calling the fbi corrupt and out of control. rush limbaugh is describing it as a coup and guests on these

programs are comparing the fbi to the kgb. conservative media quichoir is telling trump that the special counsel is out to get you. former spokesman for breitbart. a cnn reporter who covers politics, media and business. and the media correspondent for npr. kurt, what is going on here? >> i think you're seeing exactly that fox news has become defacto state controlled propaganda. i don't know how anyone could look at what's going on and not reach that conclusion. >> the white house isn't literally running fox, or are you saying they are? >> it seems like they are. i remember the days when what you saw on breitbart was considered the fringe, so far

beyond the mainstream not even fox news would touch what was on those pages. fox is going farther than breitbart. advocating and attacking the mueller investigation. >> so, david, do we call this collusion? >> i think you've seen an almost total erosion between what you're hearing from trump administration officials desperately spinning and trying to defend the president, trump surrogates who appear on cable networks all the time and the hosts, commentators, people being paid by rupert murdoch and 21st century fox and fox news. they're offering the same message. don't look or think about what may be under investigation. let's find whatever we can to undermine the pillars of the respect we confer upon. >> is it appropriate to call the channel a news channel?

>> that's such a good question. >> shepherd smith is a journalist. he works for fox. bret beir works for fox. >> there are journalists, producer there is who work at fox news. fox news is not about news. fox news is about fox. fox news is about getting a tonal point of view, making sure that viewers get what they think viewers need to get, whether or not that involves, much of the time, facts. you know it's true because it's true at the most highly rated times of day, who is being paid, who is being promoted. anchors are slipping into those "fox & friends" guest slots and start taking a sharper tone. they are pushing out the same message of incredulity, very serious issues raised about

people around this president. >> watch this clip of me and on the other end talk to me about how the sean hannity's of the world communicate with the president. first this montage. >> the fbi south of control. >> there are clear, abusive biases at the doj and the fbi and robert mueller's team. >> pieces of information that may seem small but add up to a pattern of bias. >> unethical political crusader. >> more e-mails are coming out to show the bias here. >> hand-picked minions are hillary-loving, partisan hack. >> people who hate the president, have a bias against him, investigating him. >> inherent bias in the investigation. >> full of corruption, partisanship. >> we have a coup on our hands in america. >> can you understand how the president can get frustrated. >> you can understand why the president gets frustrated if that's what he's hearing every hour of every day.

what is president trump hearing privately from these hosts? what's going on off the air? >> we know that the president loves watching television. he watches a lot of it every day and especially fox. he watches all media and he definitely engages in all media. but especially fox, "fox & friends," we've seen him tweet something and we go back on fox to see where he got the inspirati inspiration from. he talks to, first of all, rupert murdoch, head of fox on a regular basis, sean hannity and consults with them sometimes on an idea for how things are playing out amongst his base and how he should approach things. we also known and have seen quite a few fox people who have either ended up in the administration, like heather nauert, at the state department, or kimberly guilfoyle. >> i forgot that about

guilfoyle. yeah. >> we catch them at the white house, going to dinners, being there for interviews. it's sort of become a normal thing to know that the president is talking to these news hosts all of the time, having them at the white house. it used to be a big story -- we would make a big deal about it if the president was having a one-on-one dinner or talking to a news host all the time or maybe more of an opinion host would be a more proper description of it. >> it's not just the question of commonality of outlook or some shared thinking in a generalized way. concentrated message. the words being used time and again. and sometimes the message seems to be coming from around the white house. you are seeing these fox hosts pushing forward messages they want them to grab on to and ride. it's not just a synergy but constant floating in the same direction. there's no admission of facts against interests on these shows

you're talking about. that, i think, is why it's not news. >> on tuesday night, for example, actually really wednesday, fox moved on quickly from roy moore's loss in alabama. what was your take on the election result? was breitbart, steve bannon second biggest losers of the election? >> absolutely. and maybe they were even bigger losers ultimately. there was such a clamoring of republicans to say we need to create distances from steve bannon. what they don't understand, he's not going anywhere. frankly it's because of programming on fox that gives steve power. he's part of that loop with trump and with fox. as long as trump takes his cues from that type of programming and content, he's going to need them. particularly as the mueller investigation intensifies -- it looks like they're laying the groundwork to firing mueller and end the investigation. >> one thing before we go to

break, look, the american people, me, you, all of us watching, we deserve to know exactly how russia interfered in the election last year. that's what mueller is probing. we and all the american people deserve to know if the russians had any help. we need to know if the trump campaign new about the russian attack. we need to know if the president of the united states somehow is compromised by a foreign government and we need to know if he obstructed justice. that's what mueller is probing. you at home, you deserve the answers. it's important when we talk about fox's attacks, who distract from those questions, who, what, where and when and what we need to do to make sure it never happens again. more on fox, rupert murdoch. why is the white house literally cheering on one deal while fighting the other?

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$54 billion deal for the video streaming era. disney ceo bob iger buying most of rupert murdoch's 21st century fox empire. or as portrayed on this cover, mickey mouse. challenging tech giants. rupert is keeping fox news, fox business, fox sports and broadcast network. now it will be in the hands of the government regulators, reviewing this deal, trying to determine if it's good or bad for consumers. first was at&t's bid to buy cnn's company time warner.

right now the justice department is suing to stop that deal saying it's violating anti-trust laws. sinclair's acquisition of tribune. wall street journal headline it looks sinclair is going to get approved with a few concessions. and now even more consolidation. disney and fox. so how will the government react? well, so far, president trump has personally embraced his friend's sale, calling to congratulate rupert murdoch thursday and the white house has had supportive things to say. is that a signal to the regulators? is rupert's support to the president paying off? let's talk about it now with three experts who have been tracking and covering this deal. rich greenfield, ptig research, and david folkenflik and author of "biography of rupert murdoch

>> i know that the president spoke with rupert murdoch earlier today, congratulated him on the deal and thinks that, to use one of the president's favorite words, that this could be a great thing for jobs and certainly looks forward to and hoping to see a lot more of those created. >> how could a deal that involves $2 billion in cost cuts be great for jobs? >> there's only two ways you get $2 billion of synergies which disney, bob iger have talked about in this transaction, make fewer tv shows and end up with less actors, producers, writers getting hired. the other way you get cost savings is fire a lot of people. our math says this deal, looking at the overlap, probably 5,000 to 10,000 jobs will be lost as part of this. the idea that jobs will be created is actually frightening to hear. it doesn't make sense lodgicall

you would end up with more jobs. when you listen to the trump administration, what's really scary is disney has been the biggest bully in the sand box for many years. >> what do you mean? >> they use espn as really a sledge hammer. if you want to get any of the channels, you want disney channel, you want abc, espn is their hammer. they use that hammer to get higher and higher fees. all your viewers who are watching right now, they are paying probably, unknowingly, $8 a month just for espn. you're going to add to that all of the power of the yes network and fox sports west and you're going to end up with disney having incredible leverage. if you're a consumer, one result of this merger thother than job loss is that your cable bill will be higher. >> are you disney bear? are you down on this deal for this reason? >> it's not terribly interesting in terms of disney looking to the future. >> if the doj looks at this

deal, horizontal merger, given that they're opposing cnn's parent company's vertical merger, what will happen with this? >> you listen to what sarah huckabee sanders said in that tape, it seems as though the government is predisposed positively toward this deal. what concerns us, you look at the at&t time warner deal, maybe head count reductions but the real issue with at&t time warner, they're in different businesses. they're not increasing their leverage in the media business they don't have cable networks or a film studio. the threat to consumers is a theatrical harm. in this case there's a very obvious harm. the government has a problem with at&t time warner. there are risks but they're theatrical. if you see plobs in at&t time warner, you should have far more problems with disney and fox merging. if you listen to that tape it sounds like one is bad because it owns cnn and one is good because it's connected to fox

news. >> that certainly is the concern. i've heard others bring up. >> amy, let's talk about this personally for rupert murdoch. you wrote in the "new york times" describing this as rupert murdoch's king lear moment. what do you mean by that? >> a remarkable career, built in a single newspaper an enormous media empire with political influence on three continents. he didn't do this by selling. we've all covered him for years. he is buying, acquiring. he bought dow jones for $5 billion even though his closest advisers said why do you want "the wall street journal" so bad? he did. he bought it. that's been his modus operandi. throwing succession into question, the king lear analogies. he could care less about that spot at the oscars or on the red carpet. he loves his newspapers, his pll political influence. >> access to president trump and

the white house. >> not just president trump. before that, i would say tony blair in the uk. this is what gives him influence. he is keeping those businesses that he loves that give him a seat at the white house rather than a seat at the oscars. >> he is retrenching. why? >> you heard for the past year, james and lachlan, his sons, who together have helped him lead this empire, talked the last year about scale. we have scale at 21st century fox. we'll be one of the survivors. they clearly concluded they didn't have scale. this is a company with a market cap in excess of $60 billion. time warner company has a market cap in excess of $80 billion. >> sounds pretty big. >> both of these companies concluded they didn't have scale, they weren't big enough to compete against these companies, netflix, google, amazon, possibly apple. they're saying we're not going to be in that league and netflix is going to spend $8 billion on original content. we just can't compete. they said we don't want to do

that. what did they want? something to hunker down and wanted to deal with this. lachlan murdoch is going to emerge the clear crown prince, then a darkhorse. now back in the game, going to end up leading his father's company as long as they hold on to it. >> rich? >> selling makes a lot of sense. advertise something switching from television to mobile. you look at the bundle. more cord cutting, cord shaving. kids who grow up with never a cable bundle. we started a #goodluckbundle. there's real headwinds. as david mentioned, getting out. this looks like a pretty great time to be selling. if rupert is able to literally figure out that the game is up, that the world is changing, that he's not going to be able to compete, selling now makes a tremendous amount of sense. the real question, brian, why does bob want to buy? why is disney not looking toward something --

>> because he needs a lot of programming to make you buy a streaming service that will come out in a couple of years. amy, last question to you, now rupert murdoch, fox news and fox business. still has the journal. all these newspapers. he is really coming back to his one true love of news and politics. >> exactly. this is getting back to what he really loves. contrast him with another. not many self-made media moguls left. ultimate jewel in his empire to own this storied hollywood studio. rupert could care less. they are holding on to the physical studio, because it's some of the most expensive real estate in hollywood. fox news he will still have. by default he'll still have that direct line to the trump administration. >> let's talk more about rupert. panel, thank you very much for being here. while rupert murdoch was out, proechlting the disney deal, something he said was outrageous and dismissive of fox's numerous

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he said it was all nonsense. we'll play the entire clip so you can see for yourself. there's also something about his tone, his dismissive tone, the way he brushed it off that was particularly offensive. offensive especially to some of the victims of that harassment culture at fox. tamara holder settled with the company after she reported she was sexually assaulted by a fox news executive. tamara, thank you for coming on the program today. let's go ahead and play in its entirety, including the question, rupert murdoch's comments. >> how harmful has the whole raft of allegations about harassme harassment at fox news been for the business? >> it's all nonsense. a problem with our chief executive.

as soon as we investigated, had him out of the place in hours. well, three or four days and there's been nothing else since then. now, of course -- but it's political because we're conservative. liberals are going down the drain. nbc is in deep trouble. i mean, there are really bad cases that people should be move add side. and there are other things but probably just a bit of flirting. >> tamara, your reaction? >> well, thank you for having me here. i also want to thank the story that got many of us to speak out. i want to be very clear here.

i would not be able to sit here and say what he said except for mr. murdoch saying what he said. i had to agree to be quiet except if i was disparaged or maligned. that 60 seconds has allowed me to speak out. i want to go through the fake facts that mr. murdoch spouted out in that 60 minutes. he said it was all nonsense. >> and i heard him say within three or four days they fired roger ailes. that's not true. it took at least two weeks. >> right. i mean, but let's start with -- i'll make this really fast. he said it was all nonsense. >> we've got time. >> he ruin eed -- fox news ruin people's lives. he ruined my life. i don't have a job in tv anymore because the place that he has secured down like ft. knox allowed abusive predators to

prey on women, who just wanted to work. that is not nonsense. this is people's lives. he said it wasn't just roger. well, we don't need to name names. we know it wasn't just roger. he said nothing more since then. that's a lie. we also know that bill o'reilly paid $30 million plus to somebody and, of course, they rehired him after that. largely political. i want to say something. i gave up my law practice to go to fox news in new york, to work for fox news, as a democrat, to be a sports commentator, legal commentator, all of those things. i wasn't planted by hillary clinton or nancy pelosi. none of us were. we just wanted to work. when we came out and spoke out, this had nothing to do with politics. this had to do with something that mr. murdoch knows every day. and that's called rights. he has rights. he doesn't -- he's not worried

about anything. he has all the money in the world. he's cool. he has billions. we just wanted to work. that's all we've ever wanted to do, was work. and it has nothing to do with politics. he says there are cases that amounted to flirting. let me be clear. i had a man pull out his penis in his office and shove my head on it. that was not flirting. that was criminal. that was not sexual harassment. there are no gray areas, whatever matt damon recently said. this is criminal. i'm not the only case. there are women who can't speak out. i want to talk about investor sentiment. this was a conversation about investor sentiment. either mr. murdoch is a liar or he's delusional and old and needs to get out. if you're an investor, you need to decide, do you want your money with a man who has continued to lie to you for the past 20 years, your money, hundreds of millions of dollars of your money has gone to

settling cases with women over and over and over again. and we've been told that we have to shut up. and that's what we've done. there's been a little bit here and there, but we can't speak out. and then he blames american lawyers. as a member of the bar, you know, there are plenty of american lawyer jokes, i get it. but let me tell you something, american lawyers don't want to be doing this kind of work. we want to be doing other things besides protecting women in the workplace, which is something that should just be a natural thing. and the last thing i want to say is that i don't want to be here, talking about this. >> i was wondering about that. >> i want to be on tv talking about the things that -- we want to talk about what we were paid to talk about on tv. that's politics. for me, it was law. i had a sports show. but i'm stuck here, talking about this, because there are people like rupert murdoch who continue to deny that we were

abused, that we were -- our careers were destroyed, our lives were destroyed. and this is not political. this is people's lives. >> i was thinking about how hard it must be to have to come on tv and talk about being sexually assaulted as opposed to, like you said, you would rather be talking about politics and sports. i don't think rupert murdoch understands that, that you don't want to be out here, talking about this. >> there's something else about my agreement. and, you know, they'll probably sue me. my agreement said that i couldn't ever apply for a job at any fox news corporation. i could never work for fox news or any other fox news owned. here in chicago, fox news owns media entities. or 21st century fox. so i am now being punished on top of not having a career in tv, i can't even apply for a job because he allowed me to be abused in his workplace and

didn't protect me. and i can't work anywhere now? there's something wrong with me? it's just pain on top of pain on top of pain. and then for him to say something like that, that's just so dismissive, there's so many women, brian, who are hurting. we just want to work. like, i had to do an mdma, illegal therapy, to deal with my ptsd, because i couldn't function. thankfully, it's helped me but i just want to work. why? why is he denying this? if he and bill o'reilly and everybody else -- bill o'reilly is on political saying this is political. that's their new line. let's take these cases to trial if it's political. i'm down. let's open it up. you're the ones who wanted to settle. you're the ones who wanted us to be quiet. >> do you think fox really might sue as a result of you talking

today? >> well, i'm in violation of the contract except for the fact that i legally have a right to respond if i'm disparaged or defamed. and what mr. murdoch said, in my opinion as a lawyer, not as a victor survivor -- as a lawyer, gives me a right to respond. i'm responding not just on behalf of myself but every woman in america who has been abused. >> i'm so sorry to hear about the details of it. i've read about what happened to you in that office. but to hear you have to talk about it, i know how difficult it is. and i also know it's difficult to see fox try to clean this up, right? did you see fox's statement they put out over the weekend? we can put part of it on the screen, i think. fox came out and tried to do damage control and said under rupert's leadership at fox, there's total support. the company got rid of roger

ailes, compensated numerous women, exited bill o'reilly, it's biggest star and hired a new head of hr. by his actions, rupert murdoch made it abundantly clear that he knew there were real problems at fox news. but that's not what he said. there's a real difference. >> remember, he got rid of all the women who were abused as well. and we're still without jobs and were perfectly capable -- you don't have to like my opinion. a lot of people may not like what i say or how i look on tv. i get t but roger ailes was good at one thing, finding talent, finding people who were good at their jobs, regardless of the other stuff. and fox news paid me time and time and re-signed me over and over again, uprooted me from my law practice to new york. suddenly when i speak out that i was abused, they don't want me anymore. not only do they not want me anymore, i can't work anywhere

ever again. i would just -- as a plea to other networks out there -- i'm not making a plea for myself. i'll be okay. but hire one of us. it's nice that we're on to talk about this, but you have all of this talent sitting at home, dying inside. we just want to work. bring us back. allow us to do what we did before we were abused. >> tamara, thank you so much again for coming on the program, for sharing this. i couldn't agree with you more. >> thank you so much for having me. it really means a lot to me. >> there's more to say on this subject. let's take a break and get back to it.

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>> all came together, speaking out and calling for change. we continue to see on a daily basis men in various industries held accountable for past actions. mario batali, for example, apologizing for some of his past conduct. he was fired from the abc show "the chew" this week. pbs suspending and then canceling tavis smiley's show, long-time talk show amid allegations that tavis smiley is denying. morgan spurlock has stepped down after coming forward and writing a confessional piece about misconduct in his past. russell simmons under investigation by the nypd as there are a growing number of rape allegations against him. he has denied those. the police are now investigating. at the new yorker this week, ryan lizza, washington

correspondent, fired by the magazine. he is also a cnn contributor. cnn is now investigating and says he won't be on the air until the end of that investigation. and new this weekend, according to the daily caller, chris matthews accused not of sexual harassment but misconduct, inappropriate behavior at work in 1999. daily caller reporting and msnbc confirming this was investigated at the time and matthews was reprimanded. all of these cases different and distinct. there are differences in each of these cases. matthews, for example, is not being accused of sexual assault the way some other men have been accused of, the way matt lauer was accused. he was accused of verbal abuse. speaking of lauer, a new case, a new woman coming forward, production assistant this week, speaking with variety, describing a consensual relationship she had with lauer that she now looks back and realizes was an inappropriate power dynamic that she was his victim, that she was his prey.

there was also a story out of kentucky, a disturbing story about a lawmaker who killed himself after a local news outlet published an incredible investigation into his past, including into sexual assault allegations. dan johnson then killed himself. many other stories here. let's pull them all together back with me now is ados gold. nfl network suspended three commentators this week, espn suspended two commentators this week. what do you think is being missed in all the conversations? >> the headlines is somebody did something wrong in the past or new accuser has come forward. the networks or companies then take them off, fire them. and that's all dramatic and really exciting, but i think the more important story is what's being done to prevent this in the future? how are the cultures of media, of hollywood, of business changing so that companies don't have to deal with this in the future? it makes sense from a business

point of view. but also in terms of protecting women and making sure that these women, and all women and men, feel comfortable where they're working and feel comfortable to speak up when something does go wrong, when something is inappropriate. that's what we're not hearing about. we hear about all these new programs, hr people. there is something about how are we changing the culture where this -- we can just prevent this from happening in the first place? >> and create true equality in workplaces. by the way, tamara holder a few minutes ago, talking about the need to hire these women back. she's not the only one saying that, is she? >> no. gretchen carlson, who really helped to start this conversation going when she came forward with that really explosive lawsuit against roger ailes and fox news over a year ago, she has also said the same thing. they are making a point. it would make a big statement if companies went forward and hired these people and said they're not tainted. that's how a lot of these victims feel. they feel as though they are now tainted, they are connected to this story, that they will

always have their name associated with this incident that has been a stain on their lives and that not only is the accused also tainted but so are they, even though they may not have necessarily done anything wrong. it would make a big statement if companies came forward and said i'm going to hire this actress or this commentator and bring them back and show this isn't their fault and they are still valuable in what they originally can do. >> yeah. hadas, thanks for being here. our coverage continues every night in our reliable sources newsletter. reliablesources.com. a pretty new disturbing report that says a record number of journalists are jailed all around the world. and a story you have to hear about this award-winning mexican journalist who is being held right now in texas. oliday party. just serve classy snacks and be a gracious host, no matter who shows up. do you like nuts?

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deportation, that's the reality facing this award winning mexican journalist, emilio gutierrez and his son, as well. emilio was tried, he sought refugee status. he was denied and his appeal failed. so he fled to the u.s. in 2008 after threats on his life because of his reporting on mexican military corruption. now, he fears those threats will be carried out if he's forced to return. and his case is one of many. in fact, there are 262 journalists jailed worldwide with the bulk of them in turkey, china and egypt. his case is unique. let's start with that. his attorney joins me now. eduardo beckett, the attorney for emilio. also with me the advocacy director at the committee to protect journalists. let's start with the cases in texas. what is his current status? >> his current status right now, he's detained at the el paso

detention interest and we filed a emergency stay of removal with the board of immigration appeals that is approved and we're waiting on the board so he can having another chance to apply for asylum and asking the board of appeals to grant him asylum and asking for i.c.e. department of homeland security to release him on humanitarian parole. >> so the u.s. says he's here illegally and has to go home. is it that simple? >> he entered legally in 2008. and he basically turned himself in to ask for asylum. he has been criticizing mexican government security forces in particular, the military. he's right now being treated like a criminal. we call it the criminalization of asylum. the denial of his asylum is sending a signal to the world that the united states does not want to promote democracy and freedom of expression and if they deny him again, then what the u.s. is actually promoting and not the u.s. in particular

but i would say the department of justice under jeff sessions, or under the trump administration, i would say that they're appropriating tyranny and that's the message that they're sending, right? that we don't care about free expression and i believe that we have to protect our journalists here at home and abroad because that is fundamental to the promotion of democracy and freedom all over the world. and that's something that the u.s. has always fought for. >> yeah. >> in this case, they're denying justice to my client. >> certainly, journalists are -- journalists are regularly killed in mexico. we know it is a dangerous country to operate as a journalist. zoom out here, courtney. you just released a new report for the committee to protect journalists on the number of journalists jailed in countries around the world. right now there are two reuters reportered arrested this week in myanmar, the latest case getting attention. tell us where the most dangerous countries are right now for

journalists. >> well, certainly mexico is one of the most dangerous in terms of killing and murder. there have been six murders this year. but if we look at imprisonment, more than half of the 262 journalists imprisoned around the world are in turkey, china and egypt. sadly, these are also three of the countries that president trump chose to meet with their leaders at the beginning of his term and as far as we know didn't raise this. we know that journalists are generally being jailed on anti-state charges which mean they're doing journalism but it's equated with supporting terrorism and we're also seeing that the whole false news issue has landed mosh than twice as many journalists in jail as last year. >> meaning this dictatorships are using the term fake news as a slur in order to attack journalists? >> absolutely. we're seeing it's being used to the kick them out of the country as in the case of cambodia, kicking out radio free asia, in terms of delegitimizing

journalists. this year there are 21 judicialists in jail on false news charges. usually this means they were reporting on something that the government didn't like or didn't agree with or would prefer to remain silent. >> a very disturbing situation. the big way i found from your report is it's getting worse, no the better. we're at the same numbers as we were this time last year. >> it is getting worse. the worst year on record since we began keeping records in the early 1990s. what this is saying is that jurists are in a very peril to us position made worse by the president of the united states deciding to pillory the news industry and target individual journalists. this is having an impact. we can see the fake news you know rhetoric being used by leaders around the world to legitimize a crack down on the press from everywhere from russia to egypt, even poland and hungary. >> courtney, thank you for being

here. eduar eduardo, keep us updated on the case. all of you at home can read the report on the jailing of journalists at cpj.org. that's all for this edition of "reliable sources." we'll see you online reliable sources.com for our daily coverage. i'll see you right back here next week. >> will he pull the trigger? a prominent democratic congresswoman says rumors are swirling on capitol hill about the russia investigation. >> i believe that the president wants all of this shut down. he wants to fire special counsel muler. >> this as a lawyer for the trump transition team questions whether the investigation is tainted. >> this is absolutely no collusion. i had nothing to do with russia. >> will the president fire muler? will he pardon flynn? plus it, tax plan revealed and republicans appear to have the votes they need to pass it. >> we're very, very