doesn't get in at all costs, what does that mean? there is a spectrum of what does it mean. one thing we know for sure is he was plotting in an election against a candidate. and there's fbi fingerprints all over this. >> very quickly, he said he got this on on social media. that's crap. that's not fact. >> there's a word for that. it's propaganda. and hopefully people see through it. >> thank you both very much. thank you fore our international viewers for watching. for u.s. viewers, "new day" continues right now. >> the message to the families in america, your tax rates are going down and your paychecks are going up. >> president donald trump delivered. >> we essentially repealed obamacare because we got rid of the individual mandate. >> the increase in premiums will far outweigh any tax decrease.

>> there is a risk that a failure to negotiate in good faith could lead to a government shutdown. >> a short-term continuing resolution to get us into january. >> we have had this month-long investigation by bob mueller with no evidence that president trump worked with russians. >> he has encouraged this chorus to attack itself. >> these truly are red lines and simply cannot be crossed. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> good morning, everyone. welcome the our "new day". chris is off. bill weir joins me. another big breaking newsday. >> exciting day for the republicans and the president. >> a celebration at the white house after president trump's first legislative win with the gop heaping praise upon the president. but this morning there is uncertainty among many everyday americans. many waking up wondering when this will kick in, what impact they will feel in their wallets.

>> while we figure out what goes on with the w-4s. and the repeal of the individual mandate which the president claims ends obamacare. but does it really? adding to the anxiety of potential government shutdown looming over capitol hill. tomorrow is the deadline. and now lawmakers do not have a spending plan to prevent it. we have it all covered per usual. we start with joe johns live at the white house. joe? >> reporter: bill, there's been a lot of excitement at the white house over the tax bill. one of the few things that could pour cold water on all the enthusiasm would be a government shutdown because they can't agree on a spending bill. it still is seems unlikely at this point, but time is running out. >> all friends. i mean, i look at these people and it's like we're warriors together. >> reporter: president trump celebrating the tax bill alongside congressional republicans months after

attacking gop leadership over previous legislative failures. >> paul ryan and mitch, it was a little team. we just got together and we would work very hard, didn't we? it seems like -- it was a lot of fun. it's always a lot of fun when you win. >> reporter: the love fest continuing with ryan and mcconnell gushing over the president. >> there's been a year of extraordinary accomplishment for the trump administration. >> something this profound could not have been done without exquisite presidential leadership. mr. president, thank you. >> reporter: the quick passage causing confusion for taxpayers on how they should prepare for the huge overhaul. the treasury department and the irs scrambling to write new regulations. republicans saying workers will feel the benefits of this tax cut in a matter of weeks. >> january 1, americans will wake up with a new tax code. february they will see withholdings going down and will see bigger paychecks.

>> reporter: eliminating the individual mandate which fines americans who don't have insurance. the president falsely claiming he's repealed obamacare. he did not. republicans tried to do that through legislation and failed. >> so in this bill, not only do we have massive tax cuts and tax reform, we have essentially repealed obamacare. and we'll come up with something that will be much better. >> reporter: president trump selling it as a christmas present for the middle class with some companies delivering on the promise. comcast and at&t promising $1,000 bonuses to their employees. wells fargo hike its minimum wage. pfizer and coca-cola validating democrats's concerns saying they will turn over most gains to their shareholders. >> is that what you intended? give more money, increasing the wealth of corporate ceos? >> reporter: as the tax bill makes the way to the president's

desk, republicans have two days to pass a spending bill to avoid shutting down the government. a closed door meeting of house republicans late wednesday night ending with more questions than answers. there are still administrative steps to be taken before the president gets an opportunity to sign the tax bill. we hear he is anxious to do so and might even sign from mar-a-lago if necessary. nothing on the president's public schedule right now. the big question is whether he will hold a customary year end news conference. we'll get back to you on that. >> interesting, joe is. let us know when you have any breaking news on this. great to see both of you. david, let's put up for our viewers what we know what is in, what is out. there is so much uncertainty for people waking up wondering how their life has changed. the president said the

individual mandate has been repealed from obamacare. and that means that obamacare has been repealed, he said. not true. but here's what it looks like. the individual mandate goes away. this is what comes out. it is effective in 2019. the cost sharing subsidies that have gotten a lot of attention the past 12 months, goes away. here's what stays in. medicaid expansion. pre-existing conditions. no lifetime cap on benefits, also popular. subsidies to low and moderate income customers. but is his point taken that if the individual mandate goes away, the rest can't survive for long? >> well, there is a "house of cards" to this a little bit. so it is a blow to obamacare. he is wrong that it is revealed. you just pointed that out. most people who got coverage under the affordable care act got it through the medicaid expansion. that's where the largest chunk

of americans were able to get it available to them. what was the point of the individual is mandate? why was it in there? it was to basically force a larger customer base for insurance companies so insurance companies would buy into this whole process. and if you no longer require everyone to have it and you only have, you know, older, sicker people with insurance and no longer are the younger, healthier people who may avoid it forced to get it or required to get it, you start upending the way that the system is built. it certainly is a blow to the design of the on whole system. >> yeah. you need younger people in the pool to play for the older, sicker people. let's play this sound bite talking about the mandate and how he sort of hid the ball. >> we didn't want to bring it up. i told people specifically be quiet with the fake news media because i don't want them talking too much about it because i didn't know how people -- now that it's approved

i can say the individual mandate on health care where you had to pay not to have insurance. think of that one. you pay not to have insurance. the individual mandate has been repealed. >> well, some predictions are repealing that mandate means premiums for even could go up 10%. millions of people could lose their insurance. ron, what does this say about the relationship with congress and him and the discipline they had to get this done? >> well, there's a couple paradoxes here. first, people may not remember but in 2008 during the primaries -- david will remember -- barack obama opposed the individual mandate. that was the big difference between him and hillary clinton. he wanted the system without the mandate. he thought the subsidies would keep people in the system without it. in fact, as david noted, the general consensus i think among all health economists is if you withdraw the mandate you lose some of the younger, healthier people who would not buy coverage without it. who are the losers?

older people with bigger health needs. it is now centered on older white america. the majority of donald trump's votes came from older white people over 45. and the interior states, which were so important to his victory, will be the big losers in this shift. they are the ones who are most likely to face higher premiums as a result of young people moving out of the system. and i think it is one example of the challenges they will have changing the initial perception of this bill. it is worth noting here that, you know, in the cnn poll the other day, 33% support. lower than we have seen for any other tax cut, for any tax increases, and most relevantly, that the affordable care act in spring of 2000, and where the aca was, low 40s, contribute in the republican landslide in the fall of 2010. republicans have between now and

next november to make this other than a weight on their prospects. >> it is important what the president just said. he was trying to keep the information away from the press about the individual mandate. >> that means away from the american people. let's be clear. >> that's how the public gets information about what's going on in capitol hill and the white house, through the press. so he didn't want the american public to know that they were losing the individual mandate. >> so i actually -- i don't know if you remember there was an event last week or the week before. he was in the roosevelt room, and he hinted at this. he refused to name health care. but he said there's another big, big policy goal in here. we're really thrilled with this other thing in here that shall not be named. incident was clear he was talking about health care. in that moment it was a stop issuing to me just plainly on camera, the president of the united states was refusing to name and talk about something he believed was a huge achievement he was pushing for but did not want the american people to know about it or focus on it. he just wanted it to happen.

and then he admitted as such yesterday in the cabinet room. it is odd to hear the president simply say, i didn't want you all to know that this was happening, but i'm so happy it happened. >> it's troubling. it is trouble to go hear the president in his own words say we didn't want the public to know this. we wanted to sneak it through. that said, it is a very poorly ke kept secret. we have been reporting on it for weeks. but you see he was trying to keep it from the public. >> alisyn, it is reflective what the entire process what a closed circle this was. to understand how extraordinary this was. ronald reagan had two dozen democratic senators. george w. bush had a dozen democratic senators. 28 in the house. not a single democrat in either chamber voted for this bill or was involved at any point in negotiating it. same with outside expert advice. there is no independent economic

analysis that concludes anything like the administration is claiming for the bill. wharton, which donald trump touts now and then, says it will increase the debt by $2 trillion through 2027 and increase economic growth 0.1 annually. goldman sachs put out a projection that it might slow economic growth after 2020 because of the increased debt that will be taken on there. this was a process as tankersley reported in the "new york times", republicans walling themselves off from any outside view to pass this bill solely is to the republicans in a way that is tilted and still imposes burdens on democratic con seu i constituencies. this is a very closed circle. it underscores -- it's a big policy victory, no question. it is an even bigger political

gamble. >> as nondemocratic leaders around the world, it's amazing what you can get done when you don't care about public opinion. our newest polls, david, which party are you most likely to vote for in next year's midterm election? democrats 56%, gop 38%. >> that 18-point spread there in our latest poll is huge. that is a huge warning sign for republicans that a potential democratic wave is building. we haven't seen a spread like that in nearly two decades. and if you go inside, you also see how independents are driving a huge part of this. this is a big part of the pieces of the coalition that elected donald trump. independents were part of that for him back in 2016. they have so drastically peeled away from him throughout this year. it is going to be very difficult to try to win back throughout

this year. that will be mission number one. these independent voters live in a lot of suburban districts were many of these house races are taking place. they're upside-down 15 points right now among independents. >> what is real significant to me it confirms what we are seeing in actual election results. you look inside this poll. first of all, there are four other national public polls with a double digit democratic congressional lead in the congressional ballot. historically if you look over the last decade or so, usually on election day it is worse for the party in the white house on election day than it is in the polling in december as a republican polling firm noted yesterday. but what's really important i think is polling results are consistent with the actual election performance. big margins towards democrat under precisely the most disillusioned. young voters, college suburban

white voters, especially women. they were the groups that moved in alabama, new jersey and virginia and the same powering this lead in the poll. they are all consistent with each other and they all point to a challenge for republicans particularly in the republican districts. >> that said, there is still a lot of runway between here and the midterms. thank you so much, david and ron. so they helped derail the obamacare repeal. but the freedom caucus helped to get it over the finish line. they need to make big changes. what he wants to do next. jewelry that tells her fshe's the best thing. that's ever happened to you. in a way that goes beyond words. it could be a piece jewelry designers created just for jared. or a piece we custom made just for you. because we're more than a store that sells beautiful jewelry.

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america great again. >> okay. that was republicans praising president trump after delivering his first major legislative accomplishment. the support of the house freedom caucus also helped get this bill pass. but that group's chair said the plan is not perfect. joining us now is republican congressman mark meadows of north carolina, the chairman of the house freedom caucus. good morning, congressman. >> good morning, alisyn. great to be with you. thanks so much. >> i know you're having a very good morning after the legislative win. did the president do more than congress to get this bill passed? >> well, i think he obviously was a leader in all of this. i can tell you i had meetings with him in the oval office where he was into the details. he works late at night, early in the morning. in fact, you wasn't outwork him. and on this particular issue it was in his sweet spot, what he knows, business, how to get the economy going again. so he certainly led. you heard that from some of the speakers that were there

yesterday at the white house. but also was engaged throughout 6th bit of the process in making sure that it worked. congress obviously had to do its part both in the house and the senate. and so it was a major legislative victory that perhaps is historic. >> i mean, from all the praise, it sounds like the president was almost single handedly responsible. >> well, i can tell you there were times when he was single handedly responsible. because at times when it came to a point where we had an impasse, i know i got calls from him, other members in leadership got calls from him, summoned to the white house saying can't we work together. the compromise, he was a master negotiator in it. so you can't understate his role in this process to make sure we got it across the finish line. >> in the next few days you see you need to work to fix this imperfect bill. so what's wrong with it? >> well, i don't know that was

my exact quoted, alisyn. but we will take it in that context. you're not quoting me exactly. but i did say there are a number of things i have to address. i'll be honest with you, we obviously have a good relationship where we can be intellectually honest. one of the things i think we need to work on is make sure the tax cuts for the middle income wage earners and certainly for our small businesses need to be permanent. so rodney davis and i have already teamed up working on legislation to hopefully put on the floor of the house in january. i expect that we will get democrats to help us with that. hopefully we can get democrats in the senate as well. it is all about making sure that the american tax payer has more money in their pocket. so we are already working on that legislation and actually worked on it before we passed this yesterday. >> congressman, just help us understand it. why is there this shelf life of

eight years with a sunset. why isn't it permanent? >> i think part of it is two-fold. one is the arcane procedures we had to keep a 50 vote threshold the the other big one, and i reached out to a number of democrat senators and house members, they made it very clear early on they were not going to provide one single vote. >> it's not their fault it has this sunset provision. they didn't come up with this provision. >> it is the byrd rule. it is their fault. eight democrats could have gone and made it permanent. if chuck schumer had just provided eight democrat votes on that one issue. he didn't have to do the whole bill. just on that one issue. it would have been made permanent. so he will get a second chance to do that in the coming days. and we will see exactly where his heart is on making sure that those tax cuts are permanent for the middle income wage earners. >> look, i don't have to tell you. we have had democrats on. they say they were cut out of

the process. they came with ideas they felt could be bipartisan and you rebuffed them every turn. >> that's not true of me. i will give you a list of a few democrats that i spoke with on the house and senate side of things. in fact, some of their ideas were rolled into is this. the real problem with most of this, many of our democrat colleagues saw this as a major legislative win for the president. so a helping hand maybe in private was given. but in public, there was no way they were going to actually cast a vote. so i can tell you that in terms of the estate tax where we ended up, in terms of seven brackets versus three brackets, those are all some things that my democratic colleagues have put forth those ideas and i was able to impress that within the confines of the negotiations that took place. >> i want to ask you how this adds to the deficit and the debt. house freedom caucus. you're the chairman.

doesn't it in part stand from freedom from deficits and debt? how did you get to the point where wharton, the president's alma mater, said this will add $2 trillion to the debt? >> there are a number of people -- and you're right. i'm a deficit hawk. one of the negatives is in the short run this does add to the deficit. i would agree with that. here's the other thing. revenue in the collection of revenue is normally not the drivers of that. it is spending. indeed some of our democratic colleagues who are saying we need to address the debt, i'm perfectly willing to work with them on the spending side. but at the same time they are criticizing us giving more money back to the american tax payer, they are voteding for an increase that would increase the deficit three times what wharton talked about just a few months ago. let's make sure the spending side, we believe that american

moms and dads, aunts and uncles do a better job of spending money than we do in washington, d.c. so give it back to them. at the same time, we need to make sure we control the growth of government, not cut it but control it and milwaukee it 2.5 over the next decade. and we'll balance over a 15-year period. >> speaking of which, what will happen with the government shutdown? there's a lot of sticking points as well? how do you cobble this together by midnight? >> you probably see the bags under my eyes. i was up until midnight. got up this morning at 5:00 to try to make sure that we had the votes. i don't see a shutdown happening. we were negotiating into the late hours to make sure that we at least have 218 votes on the house side and send it over to the senate hopefully as early as today. those negotiations are going on as we speak. i'll leave from chatting with you here to go and try to put forth really a coalition to make sure we have it.

but we have two options to do there. all of those viewers looking at talking about a shutdown right now really need to be assured they will be able to enjoy christmas without a government shutdown. >> and are you voting today on it? >> we're hopeful that we vote later today. that has not been scheduled. honestly, there's a little bit more work to do. but i believe at the latest tomorrow morning. and so hopefully we're breaking news right here with you, alisyn. but that is a decision that will get made by our leadership. >> we appreciate. congressman, thanks so much for coming on and bringing your perspective. >> alisyn, thank you. ambassador nikki haley is putting the world on notice. the u.s. will be taking names on this morning's jerusalem vote. is the u.s. crossing diplomatic lines? we will ask former senator joe lieberman next. i have been diagnosed with stage 4 prostate cancer.

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without a single democratic vote. here to discuss former senator joe lieberman, former vice presidential candidate. good to see you. >> you too, bill. thanks for having me. >> happy holidays to you. much of the story of our reporting was unlike the obamacare repeal and replace failure. >> right. >> there was incredible republican discipline. they went off the hill, kept everybody contained. nobody went rogue to kill this thing. ultimately your takeaway for what this means for america today. >> okay. first on the process, you're right. it reminded me of the obamacare adoption in 2009. no republican votes. great changes like this on the tax bill yesterday really should have bipartisan support. it means they will last longer. here again, that's not what is happening in congress today.

it wasn't bipartisan. but they did get something done. it is is significant. and you have to say it's a victory for the president. even though the tax bill itself is unpopular now, i think it will get more popular as the year goes on. the truth is in the short-term, and that's eight years until 2025, most americans will see is a tax cut. >> moderate. >> yeah. >> i was just reading pretty sobering statistics. this bill gets $5 billion more to foreign investors than the bottom 80% of all the trump states combined. >> yeah. >> do you believe that income in equality is a problem that needs to be addressed and what does this bill do towards that? >> i do. let's talk about the broader context. the american economy has had remarkable continued strength. there is a long recovery from the recession that began in

2007-2008. 3% growth now. unemployment down to 4%. but there are problems. long term unemployed, left out of prosperity, and basically the middleclass seeing their income stagnate. people at the top making a lot more money. if i was designing a tax bill i would have had it focus much more on the middle income people and i would give tax breaks to businesses but only in return for doing things that create jobs. in other words -- and we've done this before. or giving a tax break if you invest in new equipment or new plants. that usually is good. >> but there is no enforcement mechanism. we rely on the hearts and goodness of good ceos. >> the cut down to 21% is a big cut. the bottom line, my biggest bottom line concern about what happened yesterday is the effect

on the debt. this is just an enormous iceberg that america is headed toward. this will add a trillion dollars to the debt. some say 2 trillion the next 10 years. that's a number. but it means something to mid kids and in my case my grandchildren, and your kids. they're going to be paying it. it will squeeze out funding like defense and homeland security, which means a lot to me. >> something else that matters a lot to you is the nation of israel. >> yes. >> you have been engaged on that part of the globe for a long time. and i want to get your take on what's been happening at the united nations. nikki haley tweeted talking about the embassy move from tel aviv to jerusalem there. we don't expect is those we've helped target us with a vote on thursday there will be a vote criticizing our choice. the u.s. will be taking names.

>> well, i heard those comments and the comments the president made were unconventional, in some ways unprecedented. but honestly they didn't bother me. there is natural human reaction to something that goes on. the assembly votes, one coming up maybe today which will criticize the trump administration for what it did, are kind of show boats. they don't mean anything. ambassador hill said if you're a friend of ours think twice before you think to criticize the president. in my opinion what the president did on jerusalem is right. 1995, i was one of i think 93 senators who voted to recognize jerusalem as the capital of israel as an american. well, anybody else or now the united nations tell us where we can place our embassy. israel, one of our closest

allies in the world, is the only country in the world where we don't have our embassy where the host country says this is our capital. and i know people are worried about the effect this will have on the peace process. what president trump did and said about jerusalem doesn't -- it only says we recognize this as the capital of the state of israel. it doesn't say what the borders of that capital are going to be. so it is still open to negotiation between the israelis and palestinians. and i think everybody understands there will be negotiation about jerusalem's borders if we get to that day hopefully soon, we can have a two-state solution. >> no worries about it. is it enflaming tensions there? >> compared to what people were predicting, it's been quite manageable. >> yeah. >> and i think it's because the big conflicts in the middle east

today are really between radicals and extremists on one side and moderate muslims on the other particularly focused around iran and al qaeda and the islamic state. not to say the israeli-palestinian conflict is not important to settle. it is very important. in fact, the israelies and the arab nations are working closely together because they have common enemies, iran and the jihadists. but that close cooperation is not going to go public and really blossom unless there's progress on the israeli-palestinian front. and that's why we have to continue to work at it. >> joe lieberman, great to see stpwhru you too. >> happy holidays to you. >> happy holidays. >> the palin family fight moves to the courtroom. who was there, who was not?

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we have breaking news from melbourne, australia. police say the driver who deliberately drove into a group of pedestrians has no known links to terrorism. that crash injured 19 people, including the driver and the off-duty officer who arrested him. officials say the 32-year-old has a history of drug abuse and mental health issues. another north korean soldier defects to south korea, becoming the second in the last two months. south korea fired 20 warning shots as north korean troops appeared to search for the escaped soldier. another elite soldier shot multiple times while defect to the south last month but was airlifted to a trauma unit. he was full of parasitic worms, an indication of daily life in that her metticly sealed.

sarah palin's son is out on bail with electronic monitoring. he beat his father todd over a dispute over a truck. they sought a restraining order against their son. todd said the family is ready to reestablish contact with track. mikayla maroney said u.s. gymnastics paid to to stay quiet about u.s. olympic doctor nasr. maroney's attorney said she is a victim of child sexual abuse in california and cannot be forced to sign a nondisclosure agreement. he was sentenced to 60 years in federal prison on child porn. he admitted to using his position to sexually abuse underaged girls. >> that's fascinating.

meanwhile, on a lighter note, the republican victory lap on on tax reform was a big old love fest. and it included a lot of presidential flattery. cnn's jeanne moos has some thoughts on this. >> reporter: this image says it all. ♪ president trump hailing the republicans who passed the tax reform bill. the republicans hailing the chief. the in fact, it was one big hail fest. >> you're one heck of a leader. >> could not have been done without exquisite presidential leadership. >> we're going to make this the greatest presidency we have seen not only in generations but maybe ever. >> reporter: even president trump seemed taken aback by that wet kiss. >> paul ryan said how good was that? >> reporter: the president has been tweeting and talking about the tax cuts being a christmas gift. and fellow republicans echoed

that theme. >> we can say merry christmas. >> merry christmas, america. >> reporter: president trump was so merry that when he thanked congressman steve scalise, he made light of the fact that he was shot and almost killed by a gunman at baseball practice. >> it's a hell of a way to lose weight, steve. >> reporter: passing tax relief seemed like a weight off the gop's shoulders. >> we are making america great again. >> reporter: you will make america great again. >> this is america's comeback. >> reporter: remember when the president used to say -- >> we're going to win so much, you may even get tired of winning. you may get bored with winning. >> reporter: do they look bored do you? jeanne moos, cnn. >> i'm not sure anybody has been bored the last year. >> i wonder how those moments will come back to life in campaign ads in 2018. >> we'll see. we'll see. honestly, if the tax cut works

and americans love it and start seeing lots more in their paycheck, the moments will still be celebrated. >> we'll see. >> yes. president trump is boasting of course this reform bill, in addition to being a christmas present, also kills obamacare. but can obamacare survive without the individual mandate? one of the architects of the program joins is us next. over 75 years. nt for call us or your advisor. t. rowe price. invest with confidence. ♪ ♪ give a little bit ♪ ♪ give a little bit... -hello. ♪ give a little bit... ♪ ... of your love to me oh, haha. ♪ there's so much that we need to share ♪ ♪ so send a smile and show that you care ♪ ♪ i'll give a little bit of my love to you ♪

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lawmakers are facing a looming friday deadline to keep the government open and funded and right now there's no agreement in sight. one casualty could be c.h.i.p. 9 million kids rely on that program which has not had funding since september. joining us is dr. sikh emanuel. nice to see you. >> i wish it were under better

circumstances for health care in this country. >> folks on your side of the aisle are really showing consternation. they were framing it yesterday in christmas carol terms, and you have 9 million tiny tims out there. is it that stark? >> oh, yes. when c.h.i.p. was passed in 1997 gree 15% of children did not have health insurance, and c.h.i.p. brought that down to under 5%. a huge improvement in this country. the republicans have not funded c.h.i.p. the money ran out on september 30th. it's estimated by the end of february -- january, 20 states will run out of money and by the end of february one-third of the

children covered by c.h.i.p. will run out of health insurance. you are giving corporations $1.3 trillion in tax cuts but can't find $16 billion a year for children in this country. something is wrong with that equation. if we believe in the future here, we have to invest in our children. >> let's talk about the president's claim that this basically repeals obamacare because it strips away the mandate. the mandate effective in 2019 has been taken away, but what remains, medicaid expansion and the pre-existing condition coverage that was popular, and no lifetime cap to low and moderate income customers. losing that mandate, what does that do effectively? >> we will see 4 million people lose their health insurance, and many people face substantially

high premiums. it's going to increase premiums for a lot of people in the exchanges by about 10%. that's a substantial increase. remember, those people, those families that are not getting a government subsidy, they will have to pay the full cost of the health coverage, and if it goes up another 10% is a real hit to people. people will choose if they get health coverage or not. it's not a choice. if you can't afford it because republicans just jacked up the rates, they repealed the mandate and so they jacked up the rates about 20%. this is trump care. you are seeing how ugly it is. by 2026, we're going to see about 13 million people, americans, have less health insurance. that hardly sounds like progress in this country.

most americans now have been very clear, they think everybody in the country ought to get health insurance and if they can't afford it themselves, the employers are not giving it to them, then the government should help and the republicans are doing a good job of stripping that away. some people are suffering and some will die because they don't have health insurance. >> republicans are saying repealing the mandate is an added tax cut in a way, because a lot of folks that had to pay the penalty made less than $50,000 or so but do you think this will lead to more folks using the emergency room essentially as their primary health care. >> a lot of people will forestall using care, and when they come in they will be more expensive because their diseases won't be treated or get preventive services, and ten years down the line they will have a stroke or heart attack. those are the problems.

you don't immediately see it and it takes a few years to see the effects because a lot of the effects are on chronic illnesses that don't pop up immediately. when they go to emergency rooms, they have an obligation to treat them for life-threat tphpening conditions. this is not about the future. when you add $1.5 trillion to the deficit that our kids have to pay and take health insurance away from the children, that's not about investing in the future, and depriving children of the care and the good start in life that we want them to have. >> president trump obviously made no secrets about his hopes to sabotage the whole thing, including not encouraging people to enroll, and some of the states like california are trying to fill that void and push it on their own.

could that happen where it's a state by state thing, or is obamacare as we know it -- could it die? >> i don't think obamacare is going to die because as you pointed out the medicaid expansion is still there and a lot of states will need that money. i think one of the things you will find is states like california or new york or new jersey are going to pass their own individual mandate, which they perfectly well can, and the funds to get subsidized in the exchanges will still be there, so larger states and states that use some of their own resources from the exchanges to actually encourage people to sign up will probably survive well, and then you will have the smaller exchanges in states where republicans rule, places like kansas will probably face serious problems, and maybe even a death spiral as sick people continue to buy insurance, and healthy people buy it

undesirable without a mandate and the result will be that you can't have insurance. then what are you going to do with the people. republicans have never solved that problem. if you don't have functioning exchanges and don't provide a mechanism for people to get insurance, what's the solution? republicans don't have an answer, and then people say maybe the government should takeover and that's not what the republicans want. when you don't have ideas to put forward as a substitute you end up in a situation where you encourage the very thing you don't want. interesting, most conservative experts, they are actually for the individual mandate. they are for continuing the exchanges because the alternative they recognize is not desirable for this country. >> that individual mandate, a republican idea, going back to mitt romney in massachusetts, right? >> it was before mitt romney and

massachusetts, and it has the fingerprints of the heritage -- it's just to say if my enemy likes something i can't like it without looking at the merits of it and that's bad policy for this country. >> happy holidays to you. >> happy holidays to you, too. we're following a lot of news, so let's get to it. >> there are only two places america is popping champagne, the white house and the board rooms. >> obamacare is being repealed. >> it's not up to us, it's up to them. they have the votes. >> i don't think anybody is advocating for a shutdown right now, and we think congress will do the right thing.

>> to remove mueller would be a gross abuse of power. >> what concerns me is the intent to carry out a plan to disrupt the election. >> it's very troubling. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> good morning, everyone. welcome to your "new day." it's thursday, december 21st, 8:00 in the east. chris is off and bill weir joins me. president trump and republican lawmakers are celebrating the passage of the landmark gop tax will, and republicans wake up uncertain about how it will impact them, and it includes the repeal of the mandate for obamacare, and what does this mean for the people who rely on that? >> all that, and the top ranking democrat mark warner of virginia warns president t