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a sad, phony, fake deal, like so much of the news i read. when you look at what has gone on with that and the kind of money we're talking about, it is a disgrace. >> the president is referring to the steele dossier and keeping him honest some of what he is saying is complete, misleading and out right false. dossier is research compiled by former intelligence british officer for a firm called fusion gps and yes were paid by the clinton campaign for its work but initially hired in the primaries by one of candidate trump republican opponents of details were to help the trump campaign. which cnn has never reported. based on our own reporting, the
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dossier is far from bogus in fact u.s. investigators have said some of the meetings detailed took place on the dates and in the places as described still the doss was not as the president suggests the central basis for going after his campaign ever. he seems to be blaming it for the entire suite of russia probes. special counsel has his own investigation and before that so did the fbi as did the broader intelligence community which was piling up evidence of russian meddling on its own and of the people charges none of the court documents mention the doss at all. more over, whether donald trump colluded with russian still not
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disclosed by special counsel mueller or the special committees and cnn has been reporting how the doss does and does not square with the facts about the alleged campaign contact with russians, intelligence intercepted with officials talking among th themselves and more. to call it boeigus is to call t work of intelligence and counter intelligence and other career public services bogus. to call it tainted and in t a t tter is for the panel to discuss. right now let's flesh out more of the facts. president's tweet suggests the entire russian investigation is equal to the doss and fact is it's just not that simple. >> it really isn't. it's more than that.
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the dossier is a raw document put together by u.s. british officer. the russian wered trying to meddle and use connections with people close do donald trump and his businesses to exert their influence. as you know this is a serious concern among u.s. intelligence officials even before fbi got hold of the early drafts last summer. there's independent investigation by special counsel mueller that is a lot broader than the dossier. the president's tweets appear to be a political distraction to discredit the ongoing investigation. the fact is the russian interference happened even if the president doesn't want to
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acknowledge that it did. >> and it happened as i and i reported many times, the intelligence committee judged it happened in part for donald trump to win the election. as you know the president's legal team has been periodically predicting that the mueller investigation would be finished by thanksgiving, by christmas by the end of the year, there's really no sign this investigation is about to end. >> right certainly we have a few more days to see what the latest prediction will come do pass or not. the lawyers we talk to or associated with this investigation don't see the optimi optimism we hear from the president's lawyers. we are told there's more work to be done especially on the issue of objection of justice we will see if the white house employees who provided interviews will be be brought back for follow up sessions, that's something that happens often in these type of investigations. >> thanks much. joining us now senior official
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and current teacher at georgetown and matt lewis of the daily beast and reporter carl bu burnstein. seems the president is trying to confuse the russian investigation with it's dossier but goes far beyond that. he is also coloring any agency that criticized him or investigated him as not to be believed. >> no everybody else is the issue not donald trump and his actions or those around him. the key word in all of this around this that he keeps using is tainted. there's only one institution really tainted and that's the trump's presidency, it's tainted by the president's lies, by his disrespect for the american institutions operating under the law with traditional american democracy and instruments there
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of. he is contemptuos of those instruments. these attacks are under mining confidence of legitimate institutions that are trying to do their job. if the president is confident with him being exonerated he ought to welcome this instead of attacking constantly. he is doing a grave disservice to our democracy and the awful thing is republicans, particularly in congress but also the quote unquote establishment and voters are going along and enabling him to make these claims and make everything the issue but what really happened here and has our deckcy and election democracy and elections been under mined with trump cooperation and the campaign, the answer might be no, he ought
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to wrk the answer if to welcome the answer if indeed things are as he claims. it is a constant assault. it hasn't stopped. it's purpose is very evident for anyone to see who is open minded. that is to make everybody else the issue except himself. >> phil, you spent a lot of time in the ci a, u.s. investigators corroborated some of the evidence in the dossier as was reported in january. senior most intelligence officials briefed both then president-elect trump and president obama on the existence on the dossier before the inaugust ragsz, based on inauguration, based on your experience would they waste their time on this if they didn't take it somewhat seriously. >> two issues here, one, whether
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they took it seriously, the other question you never want the president of the united states to be surprised or blindsided even if you had significant problems about the dossier might want to tell the president of the united states look there is what is circulating. there's a separate issue president is not raising, that is, what does this dossier have to do with the investigation. robert mueller acquired financial records, e-mail records, phone records, interviews, that combination of information has led to four indictments and two guilty pleas and in none of that has the dossier cropped up. the guilty pleas 5d mitted to lying to the federal bureau of investigation. the president is trying to focus on the dossier but the indictment so far have nothing to do with that. >> and the intel committee is part of the investigations, the dossier just a small part of the investigations. >> yeah.
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>> you know how these investigations work, as karm no carl noted, this is part of public campaign to under mine the investigation and the process of the institutions carrying out the investigation including special counsel and his team, do you think it is affecting special counsel's work in you have probably come across bob mueller do he and his team become intimidated by this kind of public assault zm. >> i don't think the special counsel team would this is a group of highly seasonsed investigators and prosecutors. number of the investigators would have originated from the under lying fbi investigation that was already taking place before the special counsel was put in place under the original
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investigation under fbi director james comey before he was fired. going back to what phil said with respect to how the investigations are conduct the, whether count against or counter terrorism or complex criminal investigation can be based on number of types of information can be well-verified information or can scan to the other end of an anonymous tip. that investigation then picks up on whatever information there is ande then develops it over time. so this insingular focus on deoss dossier is misplaced because at this point the investigators would have moved far beyond that. >> lot of dozens of interviews and thousands of documents collected since the dossier was put together. i have to ask you this, beyond the president's own legal and
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political interest in setting this aside, under mining the justification for this investigation are the health of the institutions he is attacking, the fbi, the against community calling them nazis and calling the fbi tainted. saying individuals in the fbi are political hacks, a term he likes to use. for republicans are those attacks acceptable? do they accept those in defense of the president? or is the president in the view of rems republicans and even supporters going too far in those attacks? >> i think it depends whether or not he's right. >> wait whether or not he's right -- >> yeah -- let me finish. i believe liberal democrats we have to protect it. we have two scenarios. one scenario is that the president of the united states is knowingly and intentionally
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misleading the public and tarnishing these institutions that hold him accountable, the media and the fbi. if that's happening that's a huge deal. i think it's incredibly damaging. i would say this though. i think the fbi has contributed to some degree, even if this is a misrepresentation, i think the fbi has contributed to this perception. we're talking about the dossier. obviously it's paid for by the dnc. we talked about that. then i think they did use it to get wire taps. but there's other problems. you have mueller's team. almost half of the people on mueller's team have contributed to democrats. >> wait -- you know washington well enough to know if you look at any institution you will have political donations to both parties. whether it's cops, the fbi or the justice department, does that impune the credibility of the institution? >> i think this looks really,
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really bad. i think there's within the realm of possibility a chance that there are people high up within the fbi who don't like donald trump and wanted to do whatever they could to stop him. or it could be that donald trump is trying to tarnish these institutions. i think the fbi has helped them by their behavior. i was a big supporter of mueller i'm surprised by the team he has assembled. >> we're going to get back to this. stick around. -- we'll focus more on the president's attack on the bureaus after the breaks. later, the president claimed the massive tax over haul he got through congress will repeal obamacare is that true? we're going to keep him honest, again.
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perhaps the president is against those who have it goagainst the president. >> two people can bring it to the attention of the american people and would if it were the case, first the director of the fbi, christopher ray appointed by donald trump overseeing the current investigation and looking at what occurred under com james comey and what occurred then. second is the deputy turner of united states who was a pointinged by jeff sessions to oversee this investigation. so republicans are looking at this appointed by the presidency and members of his own cabinet. also we need to let this investigation proceed . if there's anything that has occurred that is untoward you can bet we're going to learn about it after the investigation.
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the time is once we know what mueller an the fbi have found including the possible exrat exoneration of the president and everyone around him. that's the time for this. >> are they not capable of accept operating their political leanings. for andrew mccabe one of the president's criticism is his wife ran for democratic but in washington, d.c. there's a lot of two-party couples, in your perspective do justice department fbi officials in the course of their work separate whatever political leaning they have from the work they do. >> i would say the vast majority in the people i worked in the 13 years in the department of obstruction of justice i probably never knew what people's personal political views were.
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fact is both fbi agents and lawyers leave their political views at the door if they have a job focused on a particular investigation. i have to correct something i think is factually wrong said earlier, matt said half of the special counsel team donated to democrats. there is focus on handful of individuals brought from the outside to the special counsel team but that's not even half of the whole team comprised. it is comprised of a few people who were brought from the outside of the department but also is career lawyers and process kwutors from within the department and career fbi agents who were assigned or detailed as we call it to the team. so i think that's factually wrong to say. the second piece with respect to these tweets directed at senior fbi officials, i think there's a
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national security point here which is that andrew are mccabe director of the fbi, senior department leadership and fbi institutionally is responsible for protecting the nation from counter terrorism attacks in this time chris plas tmas to nes is heightened threat environment and these it dwetweets is a distraction from these individuals needing to focus on their job, which is to protect the country. >> and there was a foiled attack during the holiday season. matt, how do you respond to that? >> again i think this is very serious. either donald trump is intentionally trying to discredit people who are holding him accountable and looking into him or there is something there. like some deep state, i don't
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want to say coup. we know there were members -- >> what an astonishing thing to say coup. >> i said i don't want to say coup. but we know there's members of mueller's teams texting things horrible things like we have to stop donald trump. things like that. >> this is my curiosity how can these two positions be true. if if the democrats blame the fbi for losing the election for hillary clinton how can the victor in the election blame the fbi for a silent coup against him. complain this to me is there a c ab al going on to support both parties? one during and one after? >> i don't want to advance this theory. i listen to talk radio and watch fox news. the argument is is that they
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didn't think donald trump was going to win. d they didn't think donald trump was going to win that they didn't need to do anything to stop him but i think very clearly if you look at the background information i think there's a lot of people who were very concerned, including myself, by the way, who were very concerned about donald trump. it's not a partisan thing. i don't think it's republican versus democratic. i think some people think donald trump is quite a dangerous person. >> if you make a argument there's a silent coup have to have more than a whif of controver controversy. >> my argument is the fbi acted z horribly and they have allowed donald trump, i think numerous
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things that look and smell really bad. if you are donald trump and you want to advance the motion that this, that the game is fixed and that the system is rigged, they've helped him to do that. >> yeah. >> how about advance the notion of what are the facts? why can't we stick to facts. from the white house as well and at congress and the investigators. let find let's find out what the facts are. that's absent from the beginning to the present. the idea from the white house constantly is to lie. to not give forthcoming answers. to try christma dis credit the investigation and take a wrecking ball to the democratic process. >> i should say, final note, majority of americans find
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special counsel investigation credible. it's a good, worthy conversation. matt, phil, carrie, carl, we're going to continue it. thanks very much. next should you be teed off about the president working on his back swing after saying he is going to get back to work, it's much to do about golfing. we'll look at the facts so you can decide. [alarm beeps] [barking] let out your inner-child at the lexus december to remember sales event. experience amazing at your lexus dealer.
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work day began on the first hole in mara lago. was this in fact a working vacation as the white house likes to say. >> hi jim. the president spent five hours at the trump international golf resort not far from here. we heard from the white house that he was playing with two prks ga pga golf stars and a republican did want it to be done that he was out there with that republican senator making deals as he likes to do. >> how does the president match up with predecessors in number of days off in his first year in office. >> well we can't exactly make an
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apples to apples comparison but here's a few numbers to give you a sense. president barack obama spent 26 days on vacation outside of the white house in his first year. george w. bush 73 days. bill clinton 21 days. the white house knows president trump is often working even when he is at the golf course. this is his 80th day at a trump golf course here or mara lago or in new jersey. it is not the end of the president's first term quite yet. there's a few more days of the christmas vacation. it. >> those are the knucknumbers. now turning to norm, look agent the number looking at the numbers you don't begrudge the president getting some down time what's your issue
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with the president trump in all this. >> jim, thanks for having me back. my issue is number one president trump made a commitment to the american people when he was running that he wouldn't take vacations and wouldn't golf and here he is, in his spend over 80 days on his own golf courses and over 100 days at his own businesses. so he is promoting his own businesses. i don't like the dishonesty. i don't like the hypocrisy and self promotion is absolutely contrary to the dignity of the office, to ethics and to legal are consideration. that's wrong. >> there's a hundred vacation days and he goes to courses
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where he profits from the visit. there's a lot of money in renting golf carts, rooms, et cetera. what's your defense. >> back when people complained about president obama golfing, other conservatives, other republicans, my response was, hey, what do you want him at work. for all you people who do not like president trump, surely you don't want him working instead of playing golf. i rather he do that than legislative where his phone, usually. and is the only one that i knew of that flew around in his own plane when he was campaigning. this is not a change in his
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lifestyle. >> yeah, but -- >> -- let me finish, the problem is, the same problem with president obama and that is we now have this imperial presidency. it's like moving a castle around the country for the president to go anywhere. the complaint s about president obama, it's not the problem. the problem is the massive over growth of the executive, the imperial presidency as it is often called, that is not specific to any particular president it is a bureaucratic problem that needs to be reversed. >> you did not answer to be fair, the numbers there. he is spending four times as much away from the white house. this is a president who
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criticized obama whenever he would golf. how do you answer that contrast. >> sure. so back in the campaign, this was -- the president was the king of hyperbole, the notion he was not going to play golf and take vacations, i don't think anybody thought he meant what he said when he said that and i didn't and i worked for a different candidate to get elected. i think this is part of what people knew they were getting with this president and they're getting it. for people who don't like his agendaa you're better off with him on the golf course. >> i will put that in the bank and come back to that later. but from an ethical perspective, what are the rules, what's the precedent for a president to go to a property where he makes money off the visit? >> well, jim, it just has never
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happened. i know ken will appreciate this because we have our political differences. he believes very strongly that you go into public service to server the public not to make a buck and what president trump has done has broken a bipartisan tradition going back four decades, if you go to the white house, you put your businesses in a blind trust and step away from your businesses and you don't create this terrible appearance of conflict where the president has turned the presidency into a giant infomercial for his own businesses. obviously i don't approve of everything president trump does from a policy perspective, to say the least, but look, he is in charge of the country. we do want him in the oval office. we do want him in the white house. there's important, critical decisions to be made. if there's an emergency don't want to have to run on to the
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golf course to talk to him. and the expenditure, the amount of government waste, the millio millions,the secret service has busted its overtime budget so much more than other presidents. we have a perfect camp david for vacationing and don't need that castle on the road it's costing the american taxpayer that's wrong. >> i think this would be a great opportunity for us to shrink this entirent rauj not just for president trump but now and forever. let's shrink the presidency and let's shrink thee entrauj forever. the point about him going to his own property is absolutely le t legitimate but at the same time this is how he lived his life before he was president. this was covered pretty thoro h thoroughly when he was running for office he would have his
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republicans are have royally failed on their campaign promise. thank god. many new enrollees live in trump states. it's clear many don't know, it's less than 3% of the total cost of obamacare and only deals with people on the individual markets only 7% of people covered by obamacare. you have more individuals covered through medicaid expansion, still have subsidies in place. still have necessities that have
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to be covered by insurance companies also known as preexisting conditions. i will tell you this, democrats understand that obamacare need to be fixed and markets need to be stabilized. while the white house wants to sabotage obamacare i hope there's a bipartisan fix to help reverse the sabotaging that this white house is doing not just donald trump but also mcmufl mull vainy. >> i spoke to republicans who said reality it, it's more of a strategy taking it apart piece by piece is that what we're seeing with the taking away of the mandate. >> i think that's what the president said over time. this is not the largest share of expense in this obamacare it is a very important poll in the tent and there's opponents across the board who think this
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might cause fundamental damage to the program that over time it falls apart but of course we just saw a fairly robust sign up period for obamacare this past time around. my family and i were forced to sign up for this obama nation again last friday or two fridays ago from the very beginning our deductible went up ten times. our price keeps going up 30%, 40% each year. what we do have here is 13 million people who will not be forced to buy something that they don't think they need. i spent time with a friend of mine in the construction trade who feels healthy enough and doesn't want to pay for health care and he believes if 234not s year, next year, the president just put $1300 back in his pocket and that matters to him. >> how do you respond? part of the issue is is it not you need healthy and sick people to sign up because that's the
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way the insurance works. if it is all sick people you don't have enough money to pay for them. >> just listening to that argument is why democrats are winning elections. really we don't have a clear message but michael helps us to make our message there are two reasons, one of the policy reason when you eliminate individual mandate the prices are going to go up because fewer people will be part of the pool that's fundamentally how insurance works. the second part of this is, for christ sake, when do we become a country where we are absent any moral compassion, where we don't want to care for others who may be sick or infirmed. i never understood all of a sudden we lose our empathy and compassion and don't care for someone less fortunate than we are. everybody can't just doll out cash to pay for their
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treatments. the fact is this is a plan that is imperfect let's work together to fix it. >> i want to give michael a chance to answer it before we go. quickly, is it good for politics for republicans to do this for obamacare when in fact many folks signing up are are republican voters. >> well we were forced to sign up we didn't like to sign up. out here in fly over country we didn't like obamacare and the most compassionate were not the last eight years. democrats don't have a monopoly on compassion here but one thing i want to say before we go, the president needs to look at the corporate, company, the business mandates of this program. because it has cost upwards of 300,000 jobs, $19 billion in wage stag nation since obamacare came in. the business community is not getting any relief in this are
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♪ i'll give a little bit of my love to you ♪ as tensions rise between the u.s. and north korea, russia says it's ready to act as a mediator between the two. kim, to start with you, these new sanctions, are these ones that really have teeth to bite against the north korean regime? >> well, when you combine these
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new sanctions together with the ones passed by the u.n. security council last week, it does gen to ratchet up the pressure. russia is now offering the trump administration and pyongyang another avenue which burnishes russian president vladimir putin's standing with the election in march even if they go nowhere. >> could they be an accepted mediator in this, a useful one for the u.s. >> they can be useful because they talk to both sides. this is putin playing the statesman. he's done this with egypt, with libya. now we see him trying to surplant china as the key influential power in the far east.
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yes, he can play the role. the problem is can he bring the two sides together who have opposing opinions. i don't know if he's serious about this or actually making a pl political play. >> they were parties to that agreement there. kim, as we look at this now, the president's overall strategy, it's been somewhat confusing, at least in public comments because you have some senior administration officials, rex tillerson among them saying we're open to talks. you have others saying, el, we're not even close to talks. what is the policy? what's the actual policy? >> well, if you look beneath the tweets what the pentagon is doing is preparing a possible military invasion so that other nations such as china who could possibly get pyongyang to the negotiating table see that the u.s. is serious about the preparations and put some political and economic capital on the line to make it happen.
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what is happening inside the white house? we see from the national security advisor h.r. mcmaster's national security strategy, they are talking about messaging russia, messaging china, that they expect those nations to work along with u.s. interests or they're going to face some sort of censure. the u.s. doesn't seem to have the levers to get pyongyang to disarm anymore than pyongyang can get the u.s. to stop those military maneuvers with south korea. >> colonel francona, and i'm sure i'm not alone has listened to some of those comments, such as senator lindsy graham, a republican who speaks on this issue, saying a military attack, an armed attack is very much an option for the u.s. and perhaps president trump is closer to exercising that option than some people realize.
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what is your view? do you see that despite the potential consequences, a realistic option for this administration? >> well, let's just say it's an option. granted no one wants to exercise a military option, but we have to have one. and we have to present that to the president as one of his choices. but we're a long way from that. i mean there are so many other sanctions we can apply, so many other diplomatic avenues we could take. because that would absolutely be a disaster. we've talked about this before, what would happen if there's any kind of military confrontation. so the russians present a real opportunity. but i think the real opportunity is increased sanctions. and increased sanctions in the u.n. are welcome, but the problem is are the chinese and russians serious on delivering on them. >> next, how one part of the country got hit with more than 4 feet of snow and where else is
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anything like that for the rest of this week? >> yes, because the snow is still falling and the temperatures are going to get colder. eerie airport, 62 inches. new york, 32 inches. this is an incredible amount of snow. but you also have to keep in mind it's been incredibly cold temperatures. we have wind chill advisories from montana all the way to maine. the thing with that is we're going to have multiple waves of cold temperatures. we have the one currently taking place right now, the arctic blast. that's going to slide away. a temporary warm up on thursday before the next one begins to arrive back into the area. the problem with this is we have so many people that have plans for new year's, especially in new york city. notice the big dip. the problem is going to be when we get to sunday night, when so many of those folks are standing outside in new york city for hours on end, the temperature is going to be in the single digits, and jim, the wind chill
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is likely to be minus 5 to minus 10. and it's not just in new york. boston, cleveland, a lot of other cities will be experiencing much of the same. >> i'm feeling it in new york right now. allison chinchar, thanks very much. time now for the cnn special report, "all the best, all the worst 2017". >> the following is a cnn special report. from the outer limits of a world unlike any ever known comes a spine tingling, hair raising, bone chilling tale of horrifying headlines, political intrigues, mayhem, majesty, music, and more. with an all-star cast including sports analyst bryan jones. >> run, run, they're coming. >> comedian helen hall. >> oh, no it's alive. >> cnn's own van jones and john berman. >> this time it's personal. >> radio
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