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scheduled for kickoffs at 4:25 p.m. so you can still get your football fix on that day. >> i'm wondering why cleveland couldn't be prime time so see if they go 0-16. >> thanks for joining us. have a great day. >> "new day" starts right now. work on health care going forward will be bipartisan. >> we have a fundamental chance of obamacare. >> the president tries to discredit the fbi investigation. >> i would like to see the directors of the agency purge it. >> it is really a distraction from these individuals needing to focus on their job.
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>> erie, pennsylvania, shattering the two-day snowfall record in the entire state. >> all of a sudden it just got really, really bad. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. you're watching "new day". it is wednesday, december 27th. 6:00 in new york. it is so cold. >> how cold is it? >> erie. wait until we show you the record-breaking show there. president trump plans to kick off the new way with a push on infrastructure. he hopes it will get democrats on board. during the campaign, he promised a trillion dollar plan. that's changing now. president trump also predicts democrats and republicans will come together for a health care deal, but he is falsely claiming that obamacare has been essentially repealed. poor elements of the health care
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law remain intact even without the individual mandate. just hours after president trump said he is getting back to work after christmas, he was getting back to golf rg something he is repeatedly criticized his predecessor for doing when he was a private citizen. how much time he has spent at his properties and golf courses this year. and president obama sitting down for an interview with prince harry. he talks about the divisive nature of social media without talking president trump. let's begin with abby phillip live in west palm beach, florida. good morning, abby. >> reporter: good morning, bill. they are looking to full fit another of president trump's campaign promises, infrastructure. they are looking at a january unveil for a major proposal that
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will be featured in the president's state of the union before both chambers of congress toward the end of the month. that is looking to be $200 billion worth of spending. that's something that in the past democrats have said they are interested in working with the president on. that number is deemed a little bit too small to spur the kind of investment in the economy and also to meet the in tpfrastruct needs. that number is a floor not a ceiling. the white house is talking about bipartisanship when it comes to health care. the president sent out a tweet saying now that the individual mandate has been repealed, the democrats will come to the table on a health care plan. there is no evidence that any such plan is in the works. meanwhile, the president is is still on his vacation here in
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florida. he's been spotted at the golf course the last few days. no word yet what kind of health care proposal he's been working on with his aides up until this point, bill. >> okay, abby. thank you very much for all of that reporting. let's bring in our panel. round brownstein and karoun demurjian. this new in from structure plan will be $200 billion for a decade. so basically $20 billion a year, not $1 trillion. is this something both sides can get on board with? >> it is fertile ground for bipartisanship and cooperation. you will have a little bit of fighting over the money. democrats are already saying where is the money going to come from. they will point to the $1.5 trillion shortfall after the tax
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reform went through and say, okay, you can spend money there, but you can't put the money towards infrastructure. if you're balancing $200 billion from the federal investment without the answer of where that money will come from, it has to come from states, localities and the private sector, possibly taxation, this might have repercussions on the kpeupb trail. remember, we're in an election year. there is going to be a money fight here that's frankly under started. the democrats commenting on this are asking, where is the money coming from? not saying we won't work with you but they need that to play ball. >> the obama stimulus, the 800. 35% of that big nut was for tax cuts.
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only 35% went to eventual investment like pell grants, research and those sorts of things. with creeky bridges and potholes everywhere, this seems is like an easy bipartisan sell. it seems like an easy one that even the president acknowledged he would wait until later. >> the tax cuts were such a big part of the stimulus because that was the price of getting a few republicans to come along. look, we have just been through a promise that was by itself unprecedented. we had a major tax cut pass without a single vote from the opposite party. ronald reagan had two dozen vote for his tax plan in 1981. george bush had a dozen. donald trump could not attract a single democrat in either chamber for this tax plan. it would seem on paper, as we're saying, that it is easier to do infrastructure to attract across
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a party line on infrastructure. but the specifics could create more challenges than it appears. one we have been discussing is the cost. is this enough to generate the private activity that the president wants to trigger. how do you pay for it against the back drop of adding to the 1.5 trillion in debt. like the tax plan and like the health plan, make it less attractive to democrats. in the past at least, what the administration talked about is encouraging privately owned projects, for example, toll roads, that are generally speaking less attractive to democrats. by the way, also less likely to benefit the rural areas. >> if we go down memory lane, and i do feel nostalgic this time of year. remember the healing cry from republicans, the stimulus is the
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wrong way to go. you know, look, now that the economy has recovered, it seems like it is a good time to revisit the stimulus may have been the right way to go, number one. but also, karoun, morrell vanity to today, the role reversal is so interesting, right? now republicans are like, you know, debt be damned. and democrats are like, what are we doing with this deficit spending? >> one is is the party with the majority calling the shots and the other is saying hold on, hold on. sit a predictable switch. the debt and deficit not just bad policy, bad everything. it was the core of so much they were arguing aboutment it is awe flip that will now be used as a political event against them.
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next year will be the first referendum on how that works. there is so much that you can take a lesson from in the past. generally speaking, when we are talking about infrastructure, remember, we haven't had a comprehensive infrastructure proposal pass long in a long time. even in a year where this isn't is the political -- the political wins aren't what they are, it is hard. it is a split and it's not an easy lift. >> ron, this tweet yesterday got a bit of attention. the president saying based on the fact that the very unfair and unpopular individual mandate has been terminated as part of our tax cut bill, which essentially repeals parenthesis over time obamacare, the republicans will eventually come together and create a great new health care plan. we can in fact, check that in real-time. it doesn't essentially repeal obamacare. there were interesting pieces in the "new york times" and
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"washington post" how obamacare expanded health care in this country through medicare expansion. explain that. >> look, there are so many irons in that tweet. let's unpack them. to repeal the individual mandate is a blow against obamacare but not a fatal blow. the medicaid expansion covered more people than the individual market that it affects is untouched. the insurance reforms are untouched. and the is subsidies remain. so most of the pillars of obamacare are still in place. the irony here is that you go, and maybe you remember this, if you go back to the 2008 campaign, it was barack obama who said he did not want the individual mandate as part of the system. he said the carrot in effect would be enough to bring younger, healthier people in and you didn't need to stick it. the last irony is to the extent
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that repealing the mandate does matter, it will make it less likely that younger, healthier people will come into the system. what that means is higher premiums for older people with greater health needs though remain. the irony is older americans, particularly older, white americans are the cornerstone of the republican coalitionment a majority of donald trump's votes came from whites over 45. when you look at the mid-western states that decided the election, the post people likely to be hurt are their own voters. >> karoun, help us make sense of the shifting sands. one of the big pushes for why we needed obamacare, people were using the emergency room as their primary care physician. that was 20%. now it is down to 12.5%.
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that worked. and public insurance has gone up from 11.5% to 19%. so what do we think health care will look like in the new year? >> well, i think the changes that are being made will affect who has coverage. it is a question of opting in and will people that were compelled to do it before still choose to do it now if the compulsion and the penalties aren't there. i think this is the big question, right? health care has been a political rallying cry and a thing that affects the bottom line. the first effects will be felt in the first few months of the new year. they have to be balanced out. do people emerge from all of that toward the end of 2018 feeling better off or worse off. that will determine if there are no future legislative changes.
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if the gop is successful in making more limitations to the obamacare system that will be another factor that has to be played in. i think this is all going to kind of depend on the political and emotional response to all of it and just the practical bottom line response. and it will be different locality to locality because of who tends to be covered under what the original obamacare structure was versus parts of it that are still in place now. >>. >> real quick, the budget office said if you would repeal the individual mandate you would have 13 million fewer in insurance. but we just saw nearly 9 million people signed up for the federal exchange despite a short sign-up period. there is a lot of demand for health care. so it may survive with lessee roegz of coverage than you
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think. >> the sticker shock so many families are looking is the problem today. president obama opening up about life after the white house in this rare new interview with prince harry. what did these two talk about? >> reporter: well, a lot of it did center on social media. while donald trump is a prolific twitter user, he wasn't used by name. but president obama did have some warnings. listen to what he said. >> the question i think really has to do with how do we harness this technology in a way that allows a multiplicity of sroutsz, allovoices, but doesn' toledo to a eventuvulcanization.
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i'm not sure government can legislate that but what i do he believe is that all of us in leadership have to find ways in which we can recreate a common space on the internet. the dangers of the internet is people can have entirely different realities. they can be just cocooned in information that reinforces their current biases. >> we have certainly seen that. i know this whole interview wasn't interest serious policies. prince harry got some personal details from president obama. >> reporter: he sure did. they have such good chemistry together. president obama does miss his motorcade when it comes to traffic. the last bit for last. there was a quick fire round. now listen to this. >> harry or william? >> william right now. >> "titanic" or the bodyguard.
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>> "titanic". >> sui. >> cigarettes or gum? >> gum now, baby. >> white house or buckingham palace. >> white house just because buckingham palace looks like it would take a long time to mow. a lot of upkeep. >> queen or the queen? >> the queen. >> clearly these guys are friends. they have such good chemistry. they know each other now really well. so it is no surprise after the interview was aired today prince harry himself was asked questions. he was asked a question that we all want to know the answer to. >> enough to invite him to your wed something. >> i don't know about that. we haven't put the invites, all the guest lists together. who knows if he will be invited or not? >> reporter: very diplomatic and a good surprise ahead maybe.
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>> that would create an international incident. if barack obama were to attend before president trump and meet the queen first? president trump not exactly the most favorite world leader in the uk after he retpwaoweeted t anti-islamic videos. >> reporter: if president obama could be invited it would be as a friend and not head of state. they announced this will be a wedding that reflects the permits of prince harry and meghan markle. >> very interesting to see how that guest lists look. >> anybody who has had to do the table arrangements, i can only imagine at that level. coming up, is the united states taking the threats of russia meddling in future elections seriously enough?
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as special counsel robert muler and several committees investigate russia in the u.s. election, an article about how seriously the trump administration is taking the threat. this is an interesting piece in the "washington post" that goes
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back to the earliest of putin's efforts when he realized the information war was a cheap, effective way to get things done and these trolls were out in force to where at a certain point the obama administration was behind the curve. they went to their allies and said, hey, this is going on. and they said, no kidding? we have been saying this for a long time. there are indications they finally figured it out and the obama administration left a road map how to react. but the debate in the trump administration has stalled any actual action. what should we take from this? >> well, i think it's been difficult for either administration. and for that matter, governments in europe, to determine exactly how to respond to this clearly 21st century version of warfare. from putin's point of view, the return on investment in cyber warfare interference in the elections in the u.s. and
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elsewhere has been enormous. no matter how you look at it, america is divided, a split, and kind of at sea over how to respond. and if one of their goals is to engender more division in society they have certainly achieved that. the challenge is real no matter who is president. sit multiplied when you have a president who seems to view any acknowledgment of the general is inthreat as a cloud over the legitimacy of his election. and it is striking in the "washington post" story, which is, again, excellent by their the national security team that when they're asked about the threat this poses to the democracy broadly speaking across parties, the response of some in the white house is to say, well, hillary clinton made mistakes, didn't campaign in wisconsin and michigan and that is worse than what russia did.
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that is like comparing nuclear weapons and apples. they're not comparable. >> since the election, a lot of the same trolls have switched and have become critical of this white house. ultimately it is about dividing and distracting. >> for sure. and it's working, by the way. karoun, this is the "washington post". i will read an excerpt. one previously unreported order, a sweeping presidential finding to combat global cyber threats prompted u.s. spy agencies. but one year after those instructions were given, the trump white house remains divided over what was said. in other words, president trump's denial of russian meddling -- he's called the whole thing a hoax -- that that is just bringing everything to a stand still. >>. >> well, as ron pointed out, the president has not done a good job with disassociating his own
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concerns with anything that revolves around the world russia reflecting on his legitimacy in the white house. and the idea that there is a broader russian threat out there that does not just affect him or the 2016 presidential election, i should say, but going into the next election cycle and in general when it comes to systems and just the basic security of many different aspects of this country. sit a cheap investment that if it doesn't pay off, no big deal. if it does, it is is add vane teenageous to have tried to instill this weakness in an adversary that the united states is much stronger in most other ways. you have seen the president from early on be this voice. even as all of his picks were sawing, yes, we endorse the assessment of what happened in 2016, the president saying i'm not so sure about that. he's been unwilling to go even
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to the were level of saying the russian threat is unique and worth being concerned about. and so to see that is pervasive all the way through, it has held up certain actions that could have been taken. it is remarkable. because you can point a finger and say you should have known better looking at europe, that united states can't be that special and impervious to that sort of thing. president trump had proof of what happened and yet sat on that and not acted. that's what's remarkable about the decisions that have not been made. >> let's pivot to another common theme during the train campaign, criticism for president obama's favorite way to get outside and take a walk. take a listen to this. >> obama, it was reported today, played 250 rounds of golf.
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>> everything is executive order. he doesn't have enough time. >> obama ought to get off the golf course and get down there. >> i'm going to be working for you. i don't have time to play golf. >> he plays more golf than tiger woods. >> he played more golf than the pga tour. >> if i were in the white house, i don't think i would ever see turnberry or doral again. >> believe me, if i win this, i'm not going to be playing much golf. >> let's put the words up against the tale of the tape. the president has spent 86 days at one of his golf properties. that's 111 days at a trump property. >> away from the white house. >> he said i will never leave the white house. there is so much to do. he has spent a miraculous 111 days outside the white house. >> this white house refuses to
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confirm or deny whether he's on the links. we at cnn got a glimpse of him playing yesterday. >> oh, the follow through not good there. what about the argument that it's a working round of golf. he is actually out there negotiating for the good of the country. >> you can get work done when you're playing golf. that's true. sometimes in a different situation you can work out deals th , but the president has not been going out with his challengers really. he seems to be going out with friends and celebrities. granted, it is a holiday week. maybe that's not always the case. but the optics aren't great. so tpers doing more work than we realize on the links, that is
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something they could play up differently. >> that is a generous, generous assessment. >> it is naked hypocrisy. he has spent 111 days away from the white house at one of his golf courses or one of his properties. in president's eight years, there were 328 days. in one year he has had had a third of the time away from the white house. >> generally, it's been my experience that americans do not begrudge a president their leisure time. we have seen them clearing brush or whatever they're doing outside the oval office. it goes to the larger conception of the presidency.
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this was on a nippon flight. you can imagine how load the groans were that four hours into the 11-hour flight, they were told they needed to turn the plane around. you have the image on your screen. that was the track of the flight. it went about four hours. did not make it to its destination before it had to return back to los angeles. the ordeal went viral partly because one of the flight's very famous passengers was live tweeting the entire situation as it unfolded. supermodel chrissy teigen. her tweets were quite entertaining. in one tweet she tweeted l.a. to l.a. trip is complete. after 8 hours and 20 minutes. during the flight, the cabin crew became aware that one of the passengers boarded the
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incorrect flight. they then notified the pilot. as part of the airline security procedure, they decided to return to the airport in los angeles. the airline is still trying to figure out exactly what went wrong here. we can note that united airlines and al nippon airlines have a partnership, a cancer-chair. perhaps that has something to do with it. but we don't have solid answers on what happened here. >> you can hear the collective groan. >> how do you get on the wrong flight? you are checked so many times. >> you scan your boarding pass before you get on as well. >> human error is always there. renee, thanks so much. coming up, russia is offering a mediator to the u.s. how generous. it's all pop-culture trivia, but it gets pretty intense.
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the kremlin says russia is ready to act as a mediator between the united states and north korea. this comes as palestinian president says the u.s. is
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"disqualified from peace talks entirely. is america in retreat on the world stage? thomas puckering, former ambassador to russia now at the brookings institution. thanks so much for getting up early for us. >> good morning, bill. >> let's talk about this russia offer to mediate. they had some efforts. i don't know how you would characterize them on the syrian front. what does it say about america and the state of the world russia that they are making this offer? >> there's two things, bill. one is that we are i think in the eyes of people overseas declini declining. about 35 countries in a pugh said some popularity and public opinion. that is not something the united states needs or wants in terms of being able to lead the international community. north korea is a difficult problem.
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there are three possible outcomes. one is war. the other is chaos. and the people in the region, particularly china, don't want either of those. the third is a negotiated solution. i'm not sure the russians will be the greatest allies will get us in the direction we want to go, a denuclearized peninsula. a long subject. secretary tillerson has been right in saying it's time for us to open channels to the north koreans to begin to take this military pressure and the sanction pressure in the direction we want to see it go with various steps that will lead i hope to denuclearization without conflict. the u.s. public is not interested in another war, particularly in asia. that's what's happening around here. the drums are beating. if we don't move that particular pressure into the direction we want to go, we may well get those first two alternatives. and i don't think at this stage the russians want that either.
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so they're jumping in to see what they can do to prevent chaos on their border. >> those who play the board game risk might know north korea shares a border with russia and china. the u.s. interest may not align. they may like that buffer there. when it comes to mutual interests, do we share those with russia? >> i think we share an interest in not having a nuclear korea. china has a deep interest in avoiding chaos, in a deep interest of not seem to go collapse on a question where it has a strategic relationship to north korea. so those are the things that we have to deal with that are very difficult. but not having an opportunity across the table. and i think bilaterally certainly to begin with is very important in dprk, north korea, to get something moving. and i would hope it would move in that direction soon. the absence of diplomacy here is
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the absence of i think the one viable alternative that lies out there. >> right. let's pitvot to the u.n. the big news since that jerusalem capitol embassy kerfuffle. and nikki haley talking about the cut. we will no longer let the generosity of the american people be taken advantage of. what should we make of this? >> i think those kinds of approaches toward votes in the u.n. very hard line. very difficult. they are only going to generate more and more, put it this way, distancing from the united states in the united nations votes. while obviously it meets some of the demands of the white house in this particular regard who
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sees foreign policy as not strategic but episodic. not governance but virtual reality television. these should not be the guideposts for u.s. interests. they are the guidepost for a presidency which seems to have diminished u.s. interests in favor of what is clearly personal ease mow. >> h.r. mcmaster is trying to sell the idea america first doesn't mean america alone. that message hasn't sunk in yet. >> i don't believe so. and america different is domestic. domestic policy is important. how the president deals with that is very much in the interest of the country that he do so correctly. it doesn't seem to be america leading, america wise, or america strategic. it seems to be america playing
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president trump called the fbi taint odd tpheus latest attack on the nation's top securitiation. let's discuss with jeffrey toobin and phillip mudd. great to have you here. every day there are new attacks
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on the fbi. and other law enforcement. phil, it seems the president has been leading this charge of attacking the fbi for a while. now right wing politicians are jumping on board. the latest comes from francis rooney of florida. he goes even further. listen to what he said. >> i'm very concerned that the doj and the fbi, deep state or what, are kind of off the rails. i don't want to discredit them. i want to see the directors of the agency purge it. look, we have a lot of great lawyers here. those are the people i want the american people to see and the good work being done not the people of the deep state. >> phil, is the fbi the deep state, whatever that means? >> absolutely. this is a coup that will talk over the president within the next 24 hours. >> breaking news. thanks for that. >> let be be clear. there's 30,000, 35,000 fbi employees working on on gangs and violent crime to white
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collar fraud. most of them, as i would be, are looking at the seventh floor. the president is taking aim at a handful of top officials. congress is taking aim because this is a political issue. they want to say any findings from the muller investigation are tainted. there is a fundamental difference between the day to day of analysts, agents, and how they view this and what's going on at the director level at the fbi. this has a minimal effect on the day-to-day workforce. they have other things to do besides a russia investigation. >> if it possible to taint the fbi and then any investigations and then robert mueller's investigation beyond repair? >> well, i don't know about beyond repair. but i think what the president is doing ses tryiis he is tryin it into the political world. the incredibly polarized world in which we live.
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democrats and republicans see things so differently. when mueller was first appointed there was bipartisan praise for him. if you look at polls recently, be republicans are starting to see him much more critically and democrats are seeing him much more favorably. he is seen as a political actor rather than someone who is apart from politics. >> don't you think that bleeds into the findings? the investigation? don't you think people will find it tainted? >> certainly trump partisans will. i think trump partisans now see mueller, thanks to the president's efforts, as someone who is a political enemy of the president. and i think that's true. and, remember, the trump partisans are not a majority of the country. they are a shrinking, you know,
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plurality. >> we have seen james comey fired, andrew mccabe is retiring, peter schlupp at the fbi has been reassigned to hr. the general counsel of the fbi, james baker, has been reassigned. so are president trump's attacks having a direct effect on the fbi? >> i don't think they are. let's make sure we understand the difference in what's happening at the fbi and the investigation. jim bakker, former general counsel, aren't participating in the investigation e. i'm sure andy mccabe is retirement age. if you are retirement age at the bureau 25 years, you get out. i don't think there's a connection. >> i'm happy to hear that you don't think there is a
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connection. it is hard to be under siege every day. andy mccabe might have decided i don't need this. he could have stayed beyond what the exact age of retirement is. >> heck no. most of the people i know at the bureau, this is not about the bureau. they say if you have kids in college, i'm going to go on the outside and triple my salary. don't tell me it's about the investigation and tweets from the president. >> phil, i don't know andy mccabe's thinking. but being constantly attacked as a mid level employee of the government, somebody who is not a presidential appointee, the idea that he is attacked personally by the president, you don't think that has something to do with him wanting to leave? >> no, i do. i don't think it's as black and white as saying he retired because he wanted to make a better paycheck outside. i suspect there's a combination of issues here. >> thanks for your insight. thanks to our international
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