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this is "gps." welcome to those of you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria. this man, donald trump, we will have a spirited conversation about it. then, the man who hosted "the apprentice" says he wants to create 5 million apprenticeships in america in five years. i think it's a great idea and
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there is a secret to how to make it work. i'll let you in on it. also, vladimir putin wants to make russia great again. so whose footsteps is he following in. i will discuss with one of the historians of russia. finally, how to write clearly. it is not as easy as you think. lessons from the man voted the greatest newspaper editor of all time. the sir herold evans. >> the real bad language is not swear words, it's deceptive word words. >> first, here is my take. in early december sir gabriel gave a speech that is a sorting place for understanding how sharply and quickly the world is changing. gabriel described the most
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important changes affecting our western world and indeed the world as a alcohowhole, america international leadership. he noted the united states current withdrawal under trump for the role of a gauuarantor o western influenced is accelerating the transformation of the global order. the foundation of security and prosperity are being called into question the risk of trade wars, arms races. it's under the deepest and most sustained pressure since the inception. he observed, tried and tested principles and foundations of international relations like
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multil multilateral is m. he pointed specifically to the international activism of rising powers by china, russia, iran and turkey in this context. for europe, gabriel argued, the situation is there because the united states seized to see europe as a special place. in 1947, secretary of state george marshall laid out his vision for the marshall plan calling for the rehabilitation of europe, a vast responsibility which history has clearly placed upon our country. as gabriel pointed out, since that speech, europe has been an american project however, the current u.s. administration is a very distant competitor at the very least economic opponents. a common thinker in 2000 that
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europe failed to define interest and therefore has no real foreign policy but in 2017, gabriel declared that is no longer an option. he urged europe to define interests and take its destiny into its own hands. this view mirrors views expressed by angela merkel who gabriel serves, even though there are different parties. his speech was consistent with the views articulated in june by the canada foreign minister in which he thanked the united states for his seven-decades long system and strongly implied that under the trump administration, american leadership of that system reached its end. this is the condition of the new international system today. it's creator, upholder and enforcer, the united states has withdrawn into self-centered isolation. the second great supporter and advocate of the open rule based
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word europe is not acting with any clear vision purpose and in this period, china, russia and a host of smaller inliberal powers are surging forward to fill the vacuum. some years ago, i described a post american world brought on not by the decline of america but the rise of the rest. that process has been well underway but has now been dramatically accelerated by the trump administration's foolish and self-defeating decision to resign as the world's leader. as the president might say in a tweet, sad. now let's get started. ♪ ♪ so let's keep talking about america's role after a year of president trump's residency at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. i have a great group today for just that conversation.
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the editor and chief of "the economist" joins us from london and here in new york, gidden rose and russell immediamade --. you tried to make sense of donald trump's foreign policy or donald trump brings foreign policy back to earth. so i thought it was perhaps the most articulate plausible account of what might be the best case as it were. so lay it out. >> well, you know, i think that in someways american foreign policy since the end of the cold war has been to build this very imposing increasing complexity weight and density but we never really as a country after 1990 had the same kind of conversation we had, say, in 199 or 1945 to 1947.
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the sense was, it was the end of history. we could do a lot of things. we could do a lot of things as we cut defense budgets and cut aid budgets and it wouldn't be right. over time, the foreign policy is harder to explain to the average person. there is a kind of a palpable withdraw. to the extent there is a construct tiive agenda, it woule recognizing that gap and i think with people like secretary mattias, national security advisors, we're seeing an effort to try to rebuild some kind of strategy that can be defended politically to the american people and have some kind of support. >> so this was global over reach under the last three presidents and trump is simply recognizing that the public doesn't want a
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globalest foreign policy. >> one could make that case for administration's, the certain aspect of the administration's foreign policy but in practice, the idea that the trump administration has anything resembling or the president a cohaerent foreign policy we can take guidance from and response to the real problems of the world is fanciful. it's saying roy moore is concerned with youth problems. yes, it's -- they are pulling back but the idea that there is actually a cohaerent strategy from the top and anything is coordinated and there is anything other than american foreign policy taking a gap here is fanciful. >> zanny, when you look at it, do you think from outside in, had the american foreign policy project become the next vast, a
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international world order going? >> well, i think there is elements of truth to both of those view points. i do think it's been for the last 17 years an absolutely essential part of the open world order. but i also think that it is time and was time trump or no trump in the aftermath of some of the over ambitious exercises of the past years and in the light of the rise of china, it was time to have a serious conversation about how you reshape and how you fashion the international system for the 21st century. i don't think very much people in the administration are having serious conversations of that sort. there may be a few but president trump himself has, i think, an extremely transactional approach and extremely zero sum view of international relations. the deal is i win you lose. that serious conversation about to be happening and it's not. from the rest of the perspective, the u.s. has
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essentially checked out and checked out at a time when conversations about the world order need to happen and a time when china is increasingly exporting the role and wanting to move center stage and create a different world order, so i think we have a shift that will go beyond the trump administration, a very real shift and unfortunately happening not in a way one would want, which is a real conversation about the 21st century global order. it's one where the big guide of that order is absent. >> walter, wouldn't it be fair to say, i think you characterized the american foreign policy over the last 25 years, exactly right. but it did get more ambitious and did get more resource starved in someways except after 9/11. but isn't that partly because the whole world became, you know, kind of became american. the old economist block entered and as a result, you had many more allies, many more countries wanting to share in the process.
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the united states no longer had to battle international economy. all they had to do is set the rules of the road a bit so it t incredible success you want to build on. >> again, i'm somebody i think all three of us are in the group of people who think that the last 70 years, some things went better than others on a whole in trying to build this global order was trying to do the right thing and the best thing under the circumstances and i m m ima the question is how to adjust and go forward rather than how to throw in the cards and walk off and go find another planet that we enjoy more. so so far, so good. i do think that actually had we been looking more carefully in the 1990s while russia nor china was prepared to actively challenge this american, this post cold war order, both of them concluded a, that they
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weren't going to join the party and b, that this liberalization that the united states was pushing was a threat to their domestic order and security and so what we saw is kind of a gradual move on the part of those countries picking up what help they could, gradually to assert first more independence and then more out right opposition. >> isn't it fair to say that walter's central point is the public isn't buying in and you can't in a democracy have a foreign policy that the public just doesn't buy into? >> that is absolutely true and it's correct to say that over the last generation and certainly the forces of globalization have created more stratified society that produced a lot of losers as well as winners and elites in the advanced industrial world were not intattentive to the side
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effects that benefit them for the lower and middle order of society. you have an outpouring, a lot of populous wave coming now is because people are fighting. they don't want peace. they want equal rights and justice, and there is a sense that the last generation has been unjust the way it's played out, the outcome of globalization. the answer is not to take more from the poor, give it more to rich people as the tax bill does and stiff the globalization process and make everybody poorer. the answer is to address the problems and reform the liberal international order the way they are trying to do in france. whether we come back, we'll switch gears because we have a terrific panel. what should we be looking around the globe in 2018? big trends? i'll ask my esteemed panelist when we come back. (siren wailing)
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and we are back with our panel. zanny, when you look at the year
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ahead, what are the big trends you're looking at? >> a lot of big trends. the first, we'll see a growing tech lash, growing backlash that started in 2017. concern about google's power. that momentum will build in 2018. secondly, increasing concern about china's economic and political ambition. china's swagger on the international stage at the congress, president ping was pretty clear about china has now emerged and china wants its role center stage and then the third and it is, you have alerted to emanuel is watching closely, someone that could succeed in forging a new kind of progressive international global order that would be sustainable
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and politically popular. i'm not sure he'll succeed but it's someone i'll be carefully watching. >> walter, you have been one of the great interpreters of populism. you can talk about whatever you want but throw in what will the future of populism be in 2018? will we look at it as rising further, plateauing? >> it's channelling descent than developing policy answers. i think frustrated populism is going to be with us for awhile. it's almost the nature of the case, but i think there is one big trend that we'll see unfolding in a lot of dimensions and that really is sort of massive geopolitical shift with the change and energy market. the fact that russia, iran,arab
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dollars in revenue. we're seeing dramatic impacts. >> with oil at 60 -- >> compared to 100 and 150 with no sort of rising price line to peak oil demand. >> right. >> it's different now and clear, too, when opec succeeds in disciplining members it transfers revenue to the u.s. shale revenue and so on. this is different. it means long-term energy prices, less inflation, one reason southern european economies stabilized is the energy situation is quiet and favorable. we're undoing the 1970s, that enormous shift of power and geopolitical centrality to the gulf, to those countries, the creation of the boom towns.
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we'll see a reversal. it's good for china. it's good for japan. good for india. good for the european union. good for the united states, bad for russia, bad for iran, bad for the gulf states, for the arab world generally. >> bad for venezuela. >> very bad for venezuelvenezue. this is something that comes from outside politics that will change the international environment and all kinds of subtle and sometimes quite dramatic ways. >> do you agree with what walter said and zanny said but you have to come back to trump. in the midst of this, appreciating realities he said and the strategy of supply chain and energy is not a good strategy and going into renewable's. at the same time, trump is is pulling the united states out of
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climate agreements and the worst kinds and essentially fla lly f the trends that should benefit the united states. the globalized world is the product of u.s. engagement and strategy for a world that's knitted together in beneficial ways and the challenge and questioning question is what point after this holiday from history will the trump administration re-engage. after the hubbub of this year and posterri back and forth and tweeting, you could have a situation for the deal. if you legalize the program and craft a deal to freeze things, a good deal could be there but the u.s. has to be leading it with the state department and negotiations and that's not something this administration is doing. the big question is what will happen with trump and the united states because that will happen with everything else.
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>> since i have you and you have a unique perspective, what do you think about this whole issue of sexual harassment in the united states? is it an american phenomenon? is it a trend that you think will catch on around the world? do you make of it all? >> well, first of all, it's already not only an american phenomenon, there is lots and lots of discussion and lots and lots of cases here in the. u.k. and france and i hope very much it's a cultural moment from which we will learn and we will move and have a cultural moment when it was no longer okay to be racist and a cultural moment it was no longer okay to be homophobic. they demand a lot of soul searching but i hope permanent
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change comes from this. it's not clear whether it will but i'm amazed and impressed and kind of in awe of how much has happened and how many people have come forward and the me, too, whole meme is extraordinary and remarkable to watch and i hope it translates into a much broader cultural shift that can only in my view be to the good. >> on that note, thank you-all, fascinating panel. next on "gps," i've always said when donald trump has a good idea, i'll tell you about it. he has one and i'll tell you about it, next. even a swing set standoff. and we covered it, july first, twenty-fifteen. talk to farmers.
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in the next five years. >> let's do that. let's go for that 5 million, okay? very good. >> later at a joint press conference with merkel, the president said this. >> we just concluded a productive meeting with the german and american companies to discuss work force development and vocational training, very important words. germany has done an incredible job training the employees and future employees and employing its manufacturing and industrial work force. >> the former star of "the apprentice" had every admiration to express. it's considered the world's most well developed. a majority of the german work force, at least 54% received a professional job certification through the program. in 2013, for example, fenearly 4 apprentices were in the profrom and
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-- program and explains why germany has the lowest unemployment rate. by comparison, the youth unemployment rate in the u.s. was 10.4%, 13% in the uk, 24.6% in france and staggering 44.5% in spain. clearly, the germans are doing something right with their apprenticeship program and donald trump would understandably like to replicate it here in the u.s. the german program is innovative, well-planned and well-executed but that's just half the equation. it is also very well funded. in 2013, the german government spent $3.5 billion on the aparen dissh -- apprenticeship program with another $9.5 billion from the private sector. the u.s. congress provided $95 million on aparen 't-- apprenticeships, that's it. america has four times the population of grer mermany.
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they have ten times as many enroll ling enrolling, which is a same because americans who go through a program earn roughly $240,000 more over the span of their careers than people who don't go through such a program. on june 15th, trump issued an executive order called expanding aparen disshre apprenticeships in america. the department of labor to bring up the total funding to $200 million. that's right. $200 million compared with 3.5 billion in germany. we talk a lot on gps on the dangers of inequality in america. this is a relatively easy to start to bridge the gap between rich and poor. we'll be watching mr. president to see if you stay true to your word and get to 5 million
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apprenticeships in five years. the clock is ticking. next on "gps," placing putin in russian history. is he more like a zar or more like starlin.
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tennesssions between the un states and russia are at the highest point since the cold war but it goes back further than the cold war. how much further and how does history inform today? let ask my next guest a historian and novelist that wrote extensively about russia. the screen writes to his book about kathryn the great have been snapped up by none other than angelina jolie. let me ask you first about
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putin. we're all fascinated by him. when you look at him with the n knowledge of russian history, does he seem like another zar? >> yes, he's a master of asymmetric warfare. of course, he's a successor of the soviet state. but the third strand to him is is definitely zar. he as a great concept of the grand mrussian empire and much he's doing in cry imea and syri is from the playbook. he has a great sense of history and though he's not a great reader, he is fascinated by the division, the ideological division like peter the great and probably starlin and bad
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stars like nickeloin this cas n >> the absolute brutality of the family, the paflat father killsn in front of spectators, that brutality and almost unimaginable bis part of histor, do you think that informs the president in any way? >> it very much is part of history. the story is a story about how families and individuals are co-roco corroded and destroyed by power. peter the great, kathryn the great over threw her husband and he was strangled to death and alexander the first was down stairs whale his father was beaten to death and had his head stomped on. this is a family story but not a family as we know it, but it does inform the present, too. i wrote this book to explain why
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russia, why putin was exceptional about russia? when you take away the facade of elections and look how putin runs russia, you see this tiny group of people competing and jockeying for the attention of one man and a tiny group of people making decisions to become wealthy. >> it's a court. >> it is and often russians know the key to power just as it was in the romans with favorites who was a spiritual advisor or sleeping with the zarina or the barber of emperor is access to the body. everything is about access to the body or access to the person. >> now we talked about the
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hostility between the west and russia and the united states and soviet union, so then what explains donald trump? do you have any historical perspective on why trump does seem remarkably benign in his view about russia, almost alone in the world? all the other countries are out to screw america but russia he thinks we can deal with? >> it's an interesting phenomenon, psychological and political. the political side of it is donald trump wants to be the first american zar. he wants to be the first, he wants to be the american roman. he rules by degree, small circle and treats ministers like personal servants and promotes family to people of power, the only people he trusts. fortunately, there are checks and balances to prevent him from doing that. the other part has to be
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psychological. he looks at vladimir putin and sees a man who has control of violence, who can order interventions in foreign countries at the click of a hand. i think for that, it's a slightly boyish crush on the idea of the gangster boss, the swaggering god father, and i think that's something that derives from donald trump's personal psychology. >> putin will probably out last as the longest serving leader of russia. do you think in a sense modern russia is putin's russia? . >> yeah, i think putin will be the dominant figure of the early 21st century and ruling to russian tradition and successful. concentrating all power on his hands, which is a hell of a job in russia and done that
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systematically but abroad he's been successful. russia has an economy the size of spain and yet, punching way above its weight. you mentioned starlin. that's the recent ruler that measures themselves and put to one side the excesses that cost 20, 30 million lives. the appalling repression and look at successes and successes were vast, as well. the cost was totally unacceptable. we made that clear. left russia a super power with a bigger empire ever dreamt of. he's the one they measure against and the greatest founding myth of putin's russia is 1945. this is the school or company president putin is comparing himself to, the company he wants to keep. >> a tough man for donald trump
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to out whit, don't you think? >> i think the kremlin, won of the most in a terrifying and political powers on earth is certainly a tougher place than reality television. >> simon, pleasure to have you on, sir. >> thank you very much. lovely to be here. in 2018, sir herold evans will turn 80. he's led 1,000 lives in the nine decades and when we come back. he'll tell us all his life lessons. you will not want to miss this.
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harold evans is one of my heroes. he was voted the greatest newspaper editor and had a career where he's headed, the london times, the sunday times, the new york daily news and in addition to new york news, the atlantic and random house. this editor wrote a terrific book this distills a life's worth of lessons, rules and anecdotes into a punching book called "do i make myself clear, why writing well matters." harold evans joins me now. do you feel that you're
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confronting lots of bad writing when you look around the world today? >> yes, it's not bare writing in the sense that i don't expect everyone to write like charles dickins or william shakespeare. i don't care if you have a misplaced semicolsemicolon. i see much distortion and deception of ordinary. >> you have an example about donald trump and how he talked about climate change. >> this is -- the most important scientific decision probably we'll take in our life time and this is, this is the precision this being brought to this problem by the 45th president that wants to overturn or likely to turnover, has overturn the obama policy. this is precision of his language. >> we had times where the weather wasn't working out so
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they changed it to extreme weather so it fits the bill. the problem we have, if you look at our energy cost and all of the things we're doing to solve a problem that i don't think in any major fashion exists. obama thinks it's the number one problem of the world today and i think it very low on the list. so i am now a believer and i will unless somebody can prove something to me, i believe there is weather, i believe there is change and i believe it goes up and down and it goes up again and it changes depending on years and centuries and we have much bigger problems. >> what's wrong with it? >> wrong, first no comprehension is all about and just things since weather and everybody knows it's not this weather.
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secondly, it's repetitious, let me get it right about donald trump. when he wants to be clear, he can be emphatically clear and use strong words. we have to stop immigration. we have to build a wall, walls work. israel has a wall. that's actual wording and actually it's not bad english. it's wonderful english. >> short sentences and an active voice, we have to do this whereas many politicians say in the circumstances considering evidence we might consider, he doesn't say that. he goes straight to the point. we know, i'm not going to get arrested. it doesn't seem to matter. so you might say to me and i
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hope you don't, why does it matter if it's not true? >> when he wants to be clear and direct, he knows how to use good short punching english. what the climate change paragraph suggests is that when he wants to be deceptive, when he's confusing and wants to do it, it turns into this complicated sentence with lots of sclauses. >> that's right. he's not to be underrated and with due respect to the massive population, they are not likely to disentangle. it took me some time to realize exactly how the effect was achieved and it's very worrying. because actually, here is somebody who is quite capable of being day recollecting directly >> you talk about how everybody
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will say things like acres of land. >> yes. >> and you as the editor say strike out the last two words. what else could it be acres of? >> you're quite right. you know it's going to deappreciate in value. i said what else can deappreciate? when the language and so much of the communication has access words, they are like a weight on your shoulder. you have to read them. >> clarity is what i worry about because, you know, people over centuries learn different ways. ho oldest tales. it does seem in the modern era we have been able to achieve degree of clarity and create a common conversation with standards and facts and that that you worry that goes away if
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at all becomes images and emoti emotion. >> you're quite right. one thing that offends me, we see a bombing in california or the paris, how is paris reported? the assassinations and murders of those people, many news organizations said nobody yet claimed credit. credit, credit means honor. why didn't they say the murders, nobody has yet admitted no perpetrator et cetera, et cet a cetera. words matter because we go into some man that's half made up. there is something credible in taking the machine kill and killing 40, 60 people. in fact, i've named all the news organizations in the back that use the word credit and wild horses will get the name out.
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>> words matter, harold evans, pleasure to have you on. [ laughter ] next on "gps," bolsters call the 2016 election for hillary clinton and referendum remain. wrong on both counts. what if we crowd source predictions? i'll ask you to lack into your crystal ball for 2018 when we come back.
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in the aftermath of votes like the brexit referendum, many lost faith and wondered whom to trust. what about trusting each other? long-term viewers may remember a episode where i introduced you to average individuals with a higher than average ability to forecast the future. they had answersing ing answers.
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good judgement has a public prediction platform where anybody can sign up to guess the future alongside the experienced progress nos k prognosis. they predicted 75% clinton would win. that might seem high but the washington post said few were lower or less volatile for that matter. we partnered to ask you these questions, will there be a lethal conproblfrontation betwe iran and the united states before january 1st, 2019? will any schedule a referendum on leaving before january 1st, 2019? will there be a lethal confrontation in the choir ina before january 1st, 2019? will bashar al-assad assist to be president of china? will the democrats gain control of congress in the 2018
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elections? if you're interested in helping forecast the answers, go to cnn.com/fareed for a link. next week i'll tell you what you predicted and at the end of the year we'll see how your predictions measured up to reality. thanks for being part of my program this week and this year. i'll see you next week and next week. i'm brian stelter, welcome. this is look at the weekly story behind the story how the media works and the news gets made. it's the final day of the year and what year it's been for the news industry. we're looking at screw yups and successes of the year and the sexual misconduct tipping point and where it's going and as media allies align rob buert m h muell mueller's probe, firs