colder than we have seen in the last 11 days. >> if you don't have a reason to be out, don't be out. >> announcer: this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> welcome to your "new day." we are doing a split show, i see. listen up, everybody. there are new exsurpz. these are in addition to the big headlines we have already been reading to you , in which forme white house strategist steve bannon blasts the meeting in trump tower with the russians as unpatriot. >> and the president says after bannon lost his white house job, he lost his mind. he accuses his former chief strategist of spending his time in the white house leaking false information to make himself seem

more important than he was. a criticism first leveled in a more colorful fashion by our next guest, anthony scaramucci. >> good to see you again. happy new year. i am admiring the cuomo family crest -- >> no, they do not have a family crest. but i see what you are doing, my undersized friend, you are trying to distract from the news. >> i'm the right size for you. >> everything you used to say about steve bannon was just your opinion, and it's now shared by the president of the united states and a lot of other people are weighing in. what is your take on steve bannon's attack on trump's family and the nature of the meetings as being wrong and treasonous and the money laundering. >> let's talk about the

treasonous thing. i would bet my life savings that trump junior would have done nothing treasonous. >> steve bannon has not denied that. >> it's a stupid thing to say. let's put it that way. that's number one. as it relates to the other stuff in the book, i was there for a lot of it, chris, and i can tell you a lot of the stuff does not seem right to me. the first example is the president not wanting to win or not thinking he was going to win. certainly we had great uncertainty around the campaign and the tightness of the polling but nobody wanted to win more than the president of the united states, and frankly nobody worked harder. i will take you back to 24 hours before the campaign, 10:00 in

pennsylvania, and then flying up to michigan to hit michigan one more time, and then-candidate trump was not left with anything in the tank, and so you guys are for facts first and you are for real news, and so i am asking an open question to everybody, who is verifying what was said in the book? we are reading the quotes on the tv, and on the prompter, and people are doing it all over the united states right now, but who's calling up the people supposedly calling the president names, and i know they don't feel that way, and i am asking what is real in the book and what is fake. >> we do know you gave michael wolff unprecedented access and so he was able to watch things go on. >> you say that, but i will be honest, i met him one time in the transition and i was interviewed by him when i was in

my purgatory after reince blocked me, so i didn't see him that much. when people said he had all this access and all this other stuff, i think that's exaggerated. >> you have to take him at his word until it comes out that otherwise is true. he says he has records of it -- >> you don't take the president at his word a lot, and the president said he had nothing to do with collusion. >> who doesn't take him at his word on that? >> there's a lot of speculation and accusations. >> you are doing what you say you don't want done. that's not a fair claim. >> i am not saying you. i am talking about the mass hysteria going on in society. >> it's about the role of the administration in a general paw

layer tea as well. the president makes this about whether or not his win was legitimate and whether or not he had anything to do with russia. the questions are much more open-ended -- >> the president knows his win is legitimate, and the president knows he has had no collusion with russia and he was playing to win. donald trump, jr., if you sat down with him and ask him if his father looked like a ghost on the night of the election? i was there, he did not look like a ghost. he didn't want to have a big ballroom because we were uncertain about the election and he was playing to win and now he's the president of the united states, and that's nonsense in the book. >> maybe, maybe not? >> that stuff is nonsense in my opinion. >> that's why you are here, and michael wolff will have to stand for his reporting and have to back it up.

>> i am not trying to hit michael wolff, and what steve did, if he's talking like that it's ridiculous and he should walk it back. >> he said he supports the president. >> i said the truth six months ago, what he was like as a person. >> you think he's disloyal? >> i think he's for steve. at the end of the day, taking out the expletives, he's for steve and we are for the president. if you love your country, president donald trump is our president, and let's go out and help him. i am not for myself, and i said that in the interview and it got picked up on the phone line. i was there to serve the president. >> why was bannon there? >> i think the president wanted to reward him for a job well done during the campaign, but i think he diversed from the president and started focusing on his own brand and it was damaging and not the right thing to do. >> why did the president keep him? >> did he keep him?

>> he was there eight months -- >> you make it a year, and you are going to have a white beard -- >> i don't agree with that. there will be there longer than a year. >> we have never seen so many people leave this early. >> if things are not working in a business you tap them on the shoulder and say it's not working, and myself, i got fired and took it like a man and walked out graciously, but i'm not going to be disloyal as the president and i am still on his team and support his agenda and is doing a great job for the country. what do you mean? taxes are going to be lower, wages are up, we have had

three -- 3-plus percentage gdp, more than in the last year. we can talk about national security as well. the president is doing a very good job, and i can't do one thing my liberal friends point out that he has done that hurts the country. people may not like his tweeting or style or his personality, but let me tell you, if he didn't use the social media the way he did, he wouldn't be president. >> look, all of this is a function of perspective. on the policies you can go back and forth all day. there's a different conversation this morning, which is dysfunction is not good for anybody. >> do you think the -- what are you talking about? this guy left the white house in august? the white house is functioning way better today than at anytime in the last year.

the guy that fired me, general kelly, okay, let's pay him a compliment, okay. he's running the white house way better than it was run prior to july 31st. >> why did kelly need to be brought in on your own supposition of fact? because it was a circus. >> fighting, and uncon shaw nullable leaking going on, and when the president hired me, i said go after the leakers. the mistake i made other than the interview i gave, i was handling it like a business executive and not like a phoney bologna political operatives. i probably would have lasted longer if i handed it like that, and i went after those people similar to how the president went after them yesterday. >> how do you say all the comings and goings are a function of good business sense

by donald trump and not as incompetence and picking people who were over there head and couldn't get the job done. >> this is what i love about you. look at outcomes. to me the 78 yankees and the '86 mets won the world series. were there dysfunctions? people have tendencies when they get to the high level of power, there are dysfunction pz that >> why have we never seen turnover like this before? >> because the president has a different operating style. he got to be president on the different operating style. let's focus on the security dashboard and our alliances and how is he handling -- >> he has plenty of criticism on all of those points. >> i am not. >> not your team, no. >> are you going to criticize

him on the economy, and you can't say the administration has done a good job. >> of course you could. every administration deserves credit for what happens on his watch, you get good data and you deserve credit by just being there, so we all know you start looking at job growth in the beginning of the year, that's not about this administration, but it's from carry over what happened before it. >> you went on that point. i will give you that point. let me make a broader point. he's a pro-business guy and a -- >> and the tax plan shows it because he promoted business over the families he said he was for. >> that's not true. go through the tax code. each middle class family is getting $2,000 more of disposable -- >> i'm not saying they get nothing. nobody is, and if they are, they have not read the bill, which takes forever.

he said it's a middle class tax cut -- and it doesn't do that. >> it does do that. >> you think it helps those people more than anybody else? >> i didn't say it helps them disproportionately. >> that's what he promised. >> he's not done with his agenda. there's a lot of legs to his agenda, and he has to work on the health care plan and daca. give the administration credit for the following, they have a pro-business agenda that is infiltrating through the economy. since he became president, let's not give him credit for the first quarter, but the last two quarters there's staggering wage growth on his watch because he's a pro business person. people were reserving cash and capital under the obama watch because he was anti-business,

and he would say he was not anti-business, and that was the perception. >> the numbers will tell the story. >> pal, if you are not a team player, get off the field to bannon. >> what if his loyalty is to the truth? i am not bannon's advocate, but what if he said this is how i saw it, you take a meeting like you did in the trump tower, and you are dumb at a minimum and dangerous at a maximum. >> i don't agree with that. >> would you have taken the meeting? >> i have done a lot of stupid things in my life, so i will sit here and tell you i wouldn't have or would have taken the meeting. what i will tell you, because i know for a fact and i would put all my money on the table, that donald trump, jr., is an honest

guy. steve cohen is an honest guy. not in my party, but a former boss, and they said he stole money, and i said there was no way he did, and he didn't steal any money, chris. donald trump, jr., he's an honest person and american patriot, and to call him treasonous, you have something wrong with you, get back to your therapist and get on the air and take it back. >> he's not doing it. he had plenty of opportunity. >> it's a sign of how he is as a person, and it's his way or the highway, and it's all the things frankly i was saying about him, and it's nonsensical. you are on his staff and on the president's team, and i am a loyal guy, and as far as i am concerned he was not. >> is it true that you may wind up back in the white house?

>> i don't know why people are saying that. i never had a conversation with the president about that or his family. i am more focused on my house, chris, than the white house. >> i'll take it at that. you are in the book. >> did he spell my name right? >> yeah, they got it right. the 11 days of anthony scaramucci, he talks about you and says you are a minor figure in the new york financial world, and quite a ridiculous one, and this is wolff, and overnight you would become jared and ivanka's s solution. is that true, did jared and ivanka put you in the white house? >> well, i had the conversation with the president. >> why did they want you there? he said you are good on tv, and they hired you to replace priebus and bannon who were trying to take over the white house. was that the dynamic? >> i didn't see that at all.

in my conversation with the president i said there were a few things we could do to reshape his strategy, and one of the other things he charged me with was not only if i could help with the communication strategy but the inner fighting a i could help with. i made a mistake. i owned up to the mistake, and i am accountable for the mistake. you never heard any whining from me. i got fired because the comments i made that were picked up on a recorded line, by somebody i trusted and i owned it and got fired. >> do you think you should have

been fired? >> that's not for me -- >> you talk loyalty all the time. i don't see the signs of loyalty specifically in your case. >> let me tell you. that was not for me to decide and at the end of the day the president went with general kelly, and if general kelly wanted to make staff changes below his level that was his right to do that and as an american business person i have been on the other side of that where i had to fire people i liked but they didn't fit. >> this wasn't a business decision? >> maybe it was strategic to general kelly. >> where is the loyalty in that? >> it's politics, chris. your family has been in politics your whole life. >> you are about loyalty or you are not. you look at the people that work for the cuomo family, and -- i don't see loyalty as a brand you should subscribe to the

president. >> the folks that got thrown out with the exception of bannon still talks to the president and the president's family. it's politics, chris. i get it. >> he's supposedly not a politician. >> that was a good line, by the way. i will give you that one, too. >> the impact of the book on the president, how angry do you think this stuff is going to make him? >> you see, i think -- again, you know how i feel about sarah, and i think he has done an amazing job in her role, and i have not talked to the president since the book came out or the statement. my gut tells me he's probably not all that angry as much as he is distracted by it. he thinks it's another unnecessary distraction. >> he says his son is treasonous and you don't think he's angry? >> i don't see that in the guy's

personality at all. the guy is honest and straightforward, and sometimes he wears a lot on his sleeve on twitter, and at the end of the day, i wouldn't describe him as angry as much as i would describe him as frustrated because when he let bannon go he sent out a nice tweet about him and wanted to have a level of cordial -- >> he said he lost his mind. >> he didn't want to go with judge roy moore and wanted to go with big luther, and as we all know and bannon broke from the president. you would have to say what the president said and what i said over the summer, steve is out for steve. what i would say to steve, let's put the party back together, cut your nonsense, okay, we have to play on one team and we are playing for the country and middle class families and the forgotten people of the country. that's what i would say. >> anthony scaramucci, if

nothing else, you put the fun in dysfunction. you are not from the north. >> you are right about something. i am from the south. >> alisyn, to you. >> he puts the mooch in scaramucci. let's talk to the author of "devil's bargain", and steve chalian. do you want to say anything about scaramucci? >> what was most interesting in the interview, in a totally interesting interview, was the full concession and acknowledgment from scaramucci that the first year was n't working, and he just said to chris, to equate all the senior

staff turnover, it has been at an unprecedented level in his first year of the administration that should be attributed to the business sense of the president acknowledging and realizing his white house wasn't working, and to have somebody to serve as communications director for only 11 days, and somebody who was around the trump team through the campaign and into the administration, to acknowledge that, the president clearly understood his presidency wasn't working, and i don't think we have heard that before. >> josh, listen, you have written a book about steve bannon, and what has the last 24 hours been like for you, and why did steve bannon talk to michael wolff or is he undisciplined and has loose lips? >> much like trump himself, he's a bit of a narcissist, and it's

such a damning portrayal. clearly they trusted him and thought this was going to be a positive experience that would inscribe their place in history and make trump and the white house look better, and instead they have gotten the opposite. >> one of the interesting things is that when you listen to scaramucci, he was always anti-bannon, and one of the problems they had in the white house, which was not unusual, it was -- >> oh, yes. >> the president had questions about loyalty with steve bannon, and it raises questions about what bannon is doing now. this conversation took place a long time ago that he had with michael wolff and he has had a chance to back off his statements about kushner and

donald trump, jr., and he hasn't. >> steve bannon doesn't have first hand knowledge of what took place in the meeting and he was not around the campaign at the time, and he doesn't have firsthand knowledge of details of the russia investigation, but what you have here and why what bannon has put forth in the wolff book is so damning, you have somebody who sat at the center inside the trump circle for a year, and you have his characterization of what that meeting was, his sense of what a bad idea that was, his sense that it was outrageous that they did not call the fbi, and yes, they are score settling, as josh said, steve has an ego, too. no doubt about it. why there's such a reaction to this is because from the most inner circle location we are now getting a characterization of

what is a fundamental moment in the overall russia investigation and it's not one that matches anything else that trump world has said about it. >> let's dive into that. there are new excerpts released. these are the thoughts of the author, michael wolff. nobody survived him to survive mueller, whatever the substance of the collusion, trump in the estimation of his senior staff did not have the discipline to navigate a tough investigation nor the credibility to attract the caliber of lawyers he would need to help him. at least nine major law firms turned down an invitation to represent the president. that's new. >> i didn't know the number was as high as nine, but we knew there were some that turned him

down, and even in the face of a special counsel investigation, it has been an ongoing problem throughout his presidency. we have seen time and time again, he will be quiet for a little while and then erupt on twitter, his legal team, which bannon was instrumental in bringing together before he was pushed out of the white house his struggle from the get go to get him not to tweet or attack robert mueller and the investigation. >> this is really long, so everybody just settle in, and get comfortable because this is a fascinating one because it tells you what sean spicer and kellyanne conway were thinking after they go out on tv and say sometimes some things. you can't make this blank up, and sean spicer muttered to himself on the first day of the new administration when he was

called to justify the president's inaugural proud numbers and soon enough he adopted this as a personal mantra, and reince priebus started to think he would not last until the inauguration, and then making it to the white house he hoped he could last a respectable year but he quickly scaled back his goal to six months. kellyanne conway would put a finger gun to her head in private about trump's public comments. she continued to mouth an implaquable defense on cable television until she was pulled off the air by others in the white house, by however much the president enjoyed her found her idiotic. david, fascinate stping? >> these are clearly wolff's observations. we don't know who described this

to him other than the sean spicer quote. these are overall sort of wolff's observations, i guess, and we will have to see if this matches -- i'm sure we will hear from kellyanne conway. >> you will say it's -- if you are still in the white house, you will dispute all of this. >> she's certainly close to the president, and she gets to go on tv whenever she wants to. >> did she put a finger gun to her head whenever the president speaks. >> we don't know that. there's a suggestion that kellyanne, nobody around him thought he was going to win. i said you don't have to go all in and say he's going to win, and she did think he was going to win. >> she did. she may have thought that more than the president himself believed that at the time. >> that was one of the problems for scaramucci, too, david, his

explanation of how hard the president was working, that is not necessarily a different reality than him working hard for himself and his brand extension and any future plans he had and his love of crowds and fame, and that doesn't tell us the reporting in here about the ailes and his future plans, and he liked to go to the rallies whether or not he thought they would win him the election, fair point? >> it would be against the facts of everything we know about donald trump for him not to be thinking during the course of the run for the presidency playing the angles of how this may work out if he doesn't win the presidency, how it would help him in his business, and it would not be donald trump if he did not think that. >> yeah. >> if half of this is true, if just half is true of everything, it's unlike any kind of dysfunction we have ever heard

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into attack mode after a book quotes his former chief strategist, steve bannon, that calls the meeting between the russian officials and trump junior treasonous and unpatriotic. joining us now, chris ruddy, a long-time confidant to the president. when is the last time you talked

to the president? >> just last saturday. he was down here for the holidays and spoke to him half a dozen times over the christmas holidays. >> i remember, you were there for "the new york times," the free-willing "new york times" meeting, and i believe you helped to score that and there were other advisers of his that were annoyed he had such a free willing interview. >> so this is a lesson to you, alisyn, don't turn me down on any more lunch dates. >> or i will show up in the "new york times." >> how do you think the president is feeling today with all of the bannon stuff coming to light? >> he's probably a little aggravated and probably feels quite unfairly treated by steve. i'm disappointed that steve said some of the things you did. you have to remember, this interview for the book took place a month or two after steve was fired from the white house and he probably had very raw emotions. steve was a guy, when he was fired from the white house, announced to the "new york

times" that the trump presidency was over because steve was leaving. i like steve and have known him for a long time and when you are in the media for a long time you get an exaggerated opinion of yourself. the president has done incredible things, and the trump presidency is far from over. >> listen, what is interesting about this book is that michael wolff was in the white house, and he spent time, as he says, he got fly on the wall access because he says it was so koka chaotic, nobody told him to leave. you have been pushing for steve bannon to be sidelined and you were not a fan of what he did with the president, and i am curious why do you think the president relied on him so much and was so close to steve bannon? >> look, donald trump was the first nonpolitician to ever be

elected. steve came into his orbit in the campaign very late, the last two months. for most of the primary season, steve opposed donald trump and supported ted cruz. >> right, but then he was all in. >> right, because even reince priebus was not that loyal to the president and he was named chief of staff. steve had a very successful career in entertainment and investment banking, and he was no dummy, and reince, and the press operation would not have allowed wolff to sit on couches all day. >> this is what the president put out in response to the book. steve bannon has nothing to do

with me or my presidency. when he was fired he not only lost his job, he lost his mind. steve was a staffer who worked for me. after i already won the nomination by defeating 17 candidates often described as the most talented field ever assembled in the republican party, and now that he's on his own he knows win something not as easy as i make it look. he did have something to do with the president's presidency. >> steve bannon was the chief strategist. when he left the white house the president was at a record low of 34% approving. >> you are saying when the president listened to steve bannon he did poorly? >> yes, i think that when steve bannon's agenda on so many issues, those first four or five months and the health care thing was a disaster.

>> the travel ban did not go as planned, and ttp, the base likes that he pulled out and the paris climate accord, do you worry the president will lose his dedicated base without being friends with and having the input from steve bannon? >> steve bannon's not the base, and breitbart is not the base. i have a blog describing some of this, by the way. donald trump is the base. he leads his base. they are supporting him because of their belief that he can change america reform around the country. and steve is trying to walk back between the comments saying there's no separation between him and the president on policy, and that's a clear indication he realizes maybe he went a bridge too far in the comments he made to michael wolff a few months ago. >> here's another excerpt. this is from a column that the author of the book has given to

the hollywood reporter. his small staff began on january 20th, 2017, an experience none of them thought they would or in many cases should have been part of a trump presidency, and my indellable impression of talking to them is that they all 100% came to believe he was incapable of functioning in his job. the president incapable of functioning -- >> i have not been in the white house, but i have probably spoken to the presidents dozens of times, and i think he's quite capable of doing the job. i think it was a real adjustment for him being a guy that is a free-willing guy, and was in the entertainment business and had no political advisers, and we saw the results of things like that with steve coming out and

saying wild things that i think are simply delusional. this is a president that has record unemployment and record stock market and record consumer and business confidence that is soaring after the tax cuts, so how can we say the president is unfit for the job -- >> i understand what you are saying, but you are glossing over the impulsive tweets, and a lot of people are worried about what he's doing with foreign policy in a way that make people very nervous. does it make you nervous that the people in his inner sank tupl are telling michael wolff he is incapable of doing his job? >> a lot of the people quoting in the book are no longer in the white house. when you talk about north korea, i have confidence we have people like general mattis and general mcmaster and general kelly, and these are good men that have a

long breath of experience. i am concerned about twitter. i always said the president should have a review process and he should not send out tweets. that's his approach. he won. he feels he has to reach out because the liberal media, including yourself, alisyn, are not fair to him all the time. >> chris, i see you laughing. you should watch our show more often in terms of all the perspectives we have on. i want to ask you about the excerpt. >> i think you are fair and that's why i come on your show. >> thank you, i appreciate that. here's the excerpt and i want to ask if this is you. this is about the president's dining habits and his phone calls. if he was not having his 8:30 dinner with steve bannon then more to his liking he was in bed by that time with a cheeseburger watching his three screens and making phone calls and his phone was a true contact with the world and a small group of

friends. do you get those 6:30 cheeseburger phone calls? >> i have not talked to him at 6:30 in the morning -- >> no, at night. he's not eating a cheeseburger for breakfast. >> well, i have gotten calls from all sorts of odd times, and this is a guy that is always on the job and for feedback on how he's doing. the idea -- a lot of presidents have these type of personal habits. reagan did, and lbj did, and all sorts of things they do that never get publicized and it's unfortunate that people try to ensi say something is wrong with this. he's not in his bed at 6:30. >> you don't think so? >> i know he's engaged -- i don't get the sense he's a

multitasker, and he didn't sit there and watch tv as he talks to you. he's very connected in the phone calls. he doesn't use the internet, other than tweeting and he'll go on his smartphone and do. i think this is hype and we are missing the big story which is all of the major accomplishments he has made on the economy and tax bill. >> listen, chris, we have done the economy and talked about the jobs numbers and all the tax reform and all that stuff, but today the big story is this window into what is going on inside the white house, and it sounds in a word, dysfunctional. >> well, i would say that it's transitional and they are working it out, and for steve to have said these things indicates why he should not have been there in the first place and he was not suited for a advisory job, and he does great at breitbart, and i think some of

his views are dangerous for the country, and i am pro immigration, and i think the country needs a strong immigration policy and one that is open, and we want more people coming into the country that are best and brightest and qualified that can help make america better, stronger and better. >> thank you for sharing some of your personal bits with the president. >> an interesting conversation. ruddy, he knows the president and understands the issues well, he mentions the people he has confidence in in context of his conversation with the president, and doesn't mention the secretary of state. mentions the generals, and not rex tillerson. interesting. >> telling. >> all of the "fire and fury" stuff in the wolff book is

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a war of words between president trump and steve bannon have insiders wondering where his base will go. this as some bannon-backed members are already distancing themselves from the former breitbart boss. bill, who will the base side with? >> we will see what comes out. i don't think it's a personal

jobable between these two. why did donald trump order his lawyer to send cease and desist letter. i think this is a huge crisis for the trump presidency, not just a fight between two individuals. >> matt, is it a huge crisis for the trump presidency? >> it's drama, and it's coverage over people settling scores using this journalist to do it. i hope people at the white house who were there previously and are there now learned a lesson which is that anything that distracts from a conservative agenda is a mistake. we could have another supreme court pick. we have what is going on in iran, and all these questions about our economy and the fact that it's on the right track and

they passed the tax bill, why do anything to divert from a conservative agenda. to answer your question, the conservative base is sticking with donald trump because donald trump listened to them about what they wanted to see implemented from the white house and he's doing it and they appreciate it. >> bill, when you say you see it differently and you think this has larger implications, what do you think it means that steve bannon is calling the meeting with the russian lawyer and don junior treasonous and unpatriotic? >> well, i just think mueller would have thought to speak to him anyway, and it reminds one of how damaging the mueller investigation could be to the trump presidency. again, i am struck by trump's

reaction. there's a huge iran crisis, and i hope the administration deals with it well and rallies congress, and trump spends time calling his personal lawyer saying i want a cease and desist letter going out here. >> i don't think that's right, alisyn. i think the question is steve bannon has had lots of comments about robert mueller and this investigation, and he called it something of a kau tphaurd and said we are wasting money, and he is characterizing this meeting that is way over the line. i think he should pull it back because it disagrees with every other statement he made about bob mueller and the charge of collusion with the russians. it's way over the line. i think there's a lot of conservatives around this country that are disappointed in

steve that believe that you can't make all these public statements contradictory on bob mueller and the investigation, and that's what he faces, it looks like he's trying to get back at people because he was let go from the white house staff and i think steve is better than this and i think he should pull it back, but if he doesn't it doesn't matter, because at the end of the day conservatives are sticking with donald trump, going back to the original question because they like the agenda, and it's not a question of whose allegiance they will have, and he will have the -- they will have the president's back. >> does it concern you it's not just steve bannon talking to michael wolff in the book. >> stupid. >> they didn't think he was fit to win, and he agreed with that, and they think he is not up to the job. >> alisyn, i think the problem with talking to the reporter -- i never met him and don't know him, but the problem with giving him this kind of access it fuels

all the drama for television shows and cable news and wants to -- let me finish, and wants to portray donald trump in a certain light. the donald trump i experienced is much different -- i have not read this book, and i need to read it when it comes out, and this is not the donald trump i know and who i have interacted with. >> ten seconds. >> he seems curious and is on top of his game and listens to what conservatives want to get done and he implements. >> quickly, bill crystal. >> i think we are seeing the real donald trumps and the donald trump is in real trouble. >> come on. >> thank you, and to be continued. we will be back right after this quick break. see you tomorrow. prevent your urge to smoke all day. it's the best thing that ever happened to me. every great why needs a great how.

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good morning, everybody. i am john berman. >> i am poppy harlow. you can't make this blank up, those words from the former secretary, sean spicer, except he didn't say blank. michael wolff spent a year inside the west wing, and pretty stunning observations attributed to senior advisers to the president, and saying the president is like a child. >> and calling meetings between donald trump, jr., and russians, unpatriotic and