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president had the futs that tend to happen quite often because he surrounds himself by people who are drawn to chaos the president loves a good compliment and bannon loves the president loves a good compliment. less than 24 hours after that really caustic statement, that scathing personal statement the white house put out, you started to hear from bannon's side the idea that this will not be permanent. this is a president who was lashing out in large part because bannon went after members of his family, his son in particular. trump has been through this cycle many times. people go after them and they fire them and they tend to stay around. the break ups tend to not be permanent. >> to quote someone who was on the show earlier, steve bannon speaks fluent trump. he was speaking it last night loud and clear. >> he knows the way to get into
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trump's good graces is to do it in a manner like calling him a great man after he stomped all over you. i was in the green room earlier and i saw it. bannon said trump is a great man and we know that trump digests a lot of cable and it will make its way to trump. so interesting to see the reaction. i don't talk to him, but i did notice he is calling me a great man. >> also let's get real. he said i don't talk to him. that's a misnomer. >> he may not have talked to him today, but he talk to him regularly. >> absolutely. the whole notion of how you came about. it's not like he worked around the white house and didn't want him to know about what was going on. he was welcome into the west wing in a pretty aggressive way.
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i want to read a quote from what the author wrote. since the new white house was often uncertain about what the president meant or did not mean in giving any given utterance, his non-disapproval rate became a kind of passport for me to hang around, checking in each week at the hay-adams hotel. i made appointments with various senior staffers and then wandered around the street to the white house and plurchging myself down, day after day on the west wing couch. this is not normal. this is not usual. at all. >> after the election, there were positive things about bannon and trump. i get the sense that they look out of him and trump read those accounts and you look at wolf's career and he is known for
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writing books and it was very controversial and not very flattering. he talked to lots of senior staffers at the white house. the sound real accounts and he had a lot of xs. he had the tapes that will make it more challenging. wolf was in the white house and around him. >> some of the people were denying the quotes. >> he opened himself up to criticism where trump allegedly said who is that? donald trump knows who john boehner is. he golfed with him and tweeted about him. someone said last night that anyone who watches fox and friends watches john boehner. wolf did open himself up to a lot of skepticism and a lot of twitter fury with that alone.
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if you open the door to that skepticism, it's hard to and it opens you up to other things. with this book, donald trump is erratic and not ipt-elect why you willy curious or at all. anthony scaramucci who was his communicationses director for 10 days said this this morning. >> you cannot be dumb to win the american presidency. you know he is not dumb. i know he is not dumb. he probably has the most emotional intelligence. >> any day that your headline is the president is not dumb that that has to be an actual defense because of his book.
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>> it's both defense and you can also see in that scaramucci interview to flatter trump and stand up for him because that's the price of admission. that's the ticket, the way you get your passport back. >> but he doesn't want to go back in. >> of course you know that. >> he denies it. >> wink, wink. >> you have both scaramucci and bannon flattering a president who fired both of them because this is the way back into power. >> then the question of the president's mood. i did some reporting with our white house producer that before this book came out, one of the things that fuelled his tweet storm about north korea and pakistan and other things that were really amazing was his frustration about russia. the fact that the investigation is still going on in 2018 and his lawyer said it was going to end soon and it hasn't ended.
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chris ruddy is a rich guy and a friend of donald trump sees him a lot at mar a lago in florida. here's what he said about the president's mood. >> he is probably a little aggravated and feels quite unfairly treated by steve. i'm disappointed that steve said some of the things he d. you have to remember this interview for the book probably took place a month or two after steve was fired by the president at the white house. he probably had very raw emotions. >> that's probably fair to say the president has raw emotions. >> that's probably an under statement. the president is clearly angry at bannon and you can understand why. if trump really raised bannon's profile and made him more of a national figure and feels like bannon owes him and he is out there going after trump personally and his family. to your earlier point, you have to put this in the context of
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where we are. this is a president who has been told by his advisers he would get to 2018, we are in 2018 and guess what. not only is that investigation not over, but it's not close to being over. for the president, this is a huge frustration that he is coming back on the heels of a victory on the tax bill and still has to deal with questions about russia. that's a huge source of frustration for him. >> and the tax bill. in a normal white house if you had this tax bill you worked on for months, you would spend january going to minnesota and iowa. they just don't have a plan throughout it now and this book is taking them off and did not really have a plan to cash in on this big achievement and making it something that trump gets done. i'm not sure people know about it and i'm not sure he is
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getting it the way obama did. >> three days this year and so far with no events scheduled by this white house to promote the tax bill. that is communications malpractice. >> we are not going to show some of the specifics in the exerts they put out there, but with the direct quotes with the direct quotes. but still the broad tapestry that the book leaves as a president and a presidency that is chaotic, adrift and inn sure of how to do the basics of the job. >> the impact is has so far is because the picture it paints is consistent with what other
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reporters are getting and even some of the more flamboyant quotes. not even from bannon, but sam nun berg and they said on the record and confirmed this, but he called him an f-ing moron or idiot. deeply insulting. he is willing to stand up and say that. the fact that wolf has these quotes in the book and it fits with a lot of what advisers tell reporters privately makes it seem like a more or less accurate portrayal of the chaos. >> just to go back to the notion that wolf talked about, parking himself on a couch in the west wing, that speaks to the chaotic and unusual atmosphere in the white house. that that would even be allowed. >> to perry's earlier point, the lack of vetting of wolf's body
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of work really speaks to -- some of the -- he is flattering bannon or someone who let him in the who us and let him sit down on the couch. >> here liked a story about him that wolf did with the reporter. he had a nice conversation. >> exactly. that got him in the door. it's easy. he is on a campaign and this person is on the couch. you end up part of it. >> exactly. when you read that part of the excerpt, it was in the new york magazine, you tlad and it shows
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that the white house opened themselves up to this whether or not everything in the book is true, the fact that he got in there rests squarely in the west wing. >> no question. we will take a quick break. a lot more to discuss. coming up, the president was asked about steve bannon in that meeting that he is having right now, but the focus is about immigration. a very important potential deal that may be in the works. stay tuned. the great emperor penguin migration. trekking a hundred miles inland to their breeding grounds. except for these two fellows. this time next year, we're gonna be sitting on an egg. i think we're getting close! make a u-turn... u-turn? recalculating... man, we are never gonna breed. just give it a second. you will arrive in 92 days. nah, nuh-uh. nope, nope, nope. you know who i'm gonna follow? my instincts. as long as gps can still get you lost, you can count on geico saving folks money. i'm breeding, man. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance.
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>> president trump invited a key group of republican senators that has been working on a deal on immigration that could marry legal status or citizenship for so-called dreamers, undocumented immigrants brought to the u.s. by their parents with a new border security bill, measures that would enice is them to go along with that. more moderate republicans on immigration like lindsey graham of south carolina. the majority leader stayed back at the capitol. we will talk about why that is
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in a second. let's listen to what the president said during this meeting a few moments ago. >> thank you very much. lindsey used to be a great enemy of mine and now he's a great friend of mine. i never thought i would say i like lindsey, but i like him a lot. >> obama couldn't do it. bush couldn't do it. i think you can do it. there is a bill to be had if you want it bad enough, it will be good for the country. i never have been more optimistic of a proposal making it to the president's desk than i am right now. >> lindsey graham speaks fluent president trump. it's all you, mr. president. nobody else can do it. let's go. have at it. they don't agree on the issues and probably all the others as
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well. the democrats have moved left and everyone else moved right. they are talking about he wants the wall. he keeps talking about the ball. a bill without a wall. it's almost three parties here on immigration. the know republicans are more conservative. >> that's big on how to handle daca. it's a fascinating issue. you have a lot of democrats both in the house and the senate wanted to go hard line on this. there should be a clean daca vote and give away nothing on border security because the status of these young people brought to this country illegally is so important to them. they really want the party to take a hard line and they are frustrated that chuck schumer didn't do that. you have others who say let's not let the perfect enemy of the good.
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if you have to give a fig leaf on border security or drone coverage, let's do that. the wall would be it. >> my understanding is democrats are not in the room there. >> people like dick durbin, the number two democrat who worked for the people and they are definitely contacting them and it might be if there is a deal, it might be a classic compromise where people on the right are not happy and people on the left are not happy, but it's bipartisan. >> the house is going to end up being the biggest house here. you have the two sides and able to score political points. we are in an election year and both of these groups have bases that are very animated on this
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particular issue. they are going to be looked at as amnesty of the republican party and as julia said on the democratic side. >> that's why lindsey graham was making it about donald trump being the to seal this deal. the hope is that he has enough capital with the republican base that he can sell it and i mentioned that mitch mcconnell is not there. he doesn't want to have amnesty and a ring around his neck. let it be the president's decision. >> the key to influencing trump is to flatter him. you can hear him flattering him and talking about his immigration bill and urging trump to take ownership and he can satisfy the people on the right.
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he can cover the bill that may not be as conservative as they like. it's a political cover that mitch mcconnell can offer. >> you look at someone again. someone like mark meadows who flattered the president in the past and has taken a sector of the republican house with him. i have to say his phone is ringing off the hook. >> no question. if they do come up with a deal and it's a big if, this is going to be a big question for not just mitch mcconnell, but the house speaker paul ryan about whether he is going to suck it up and say i will lose a lot of conservatives, about you it will pass because we have bipartisan majority. >> john boehner got into a bind. he put something on the floor you know can pass, but the majority of your own caucus. ryan could end up in a similar situation on immigration. >> no question. this is fascinating if they can
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come up with something that the president could be. lindsey graham is flattering druch, but he's right on the facts. if the president finds a way to seal the deal and they can get this done, the guy who talked about building a wall that he will call it a wall and it won't be an actual wall at all. he could be the first person in a while to do something on immigration reform. it would be amazing. >> the only path for that to happen has to be different than tax reform. or 52 votes. now they can't do that. they need democratic votes. it has to be something that is more appealing to democrats than in the certain position. that introduces the problem of is there enough room to maneuver in the middle and pass a bill that won't immediately cost paul ryan his job. >> do you think democrats might make it the perfect enemy of the
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good. >> when trump was in this partisan environment, that will mean kamala harris and kirstin jill brand. the details really do matter in terms of what is the immigration enforcement policies look like. they will have a hart time voting for much and it's tough on immigration. what does a wall mean and what counts as a wall and camera harris said it's not a wall and donald trump said it is a wall. >> you just predicted the future of discussions. we just heard from republican senators on the daca deal with lindsey graham. how are things going for the brand-new senator from alabama? you have been there 19 hours, are you shocked by the dysfunction yet? >> not yet. one vote and it went pretty simple. all good so far. >> give it time, senator, give
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>> thank you all very much. thank you. >> did steve bannon betray you, mr. president. >> i don't know, he called me a great man left night. he obviously changed his tune pretty quick. thank you all very much. i don't talk to him. that's just a misnomer. thank you. >> that was once again president trump talking or at least fielding questions from reporters in the white house about steve bannon talking at least on camera for the first time about him. noting that the former white house counsel or counsellor called the president a great man which i think steve bannon did. that was a very specific strategy in mind. the white house trned on bannon in public in a scathing way. few politicians, never mind presidents would do.
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here's how one veteran strategist talked about bannon's fate. >> the president ran over the tank and put it in reverse and backed over him. i have never seen anybody do anything as stupid as he d. i think it's the end of bannon. >> is it really? is it really the end of steve bannon? here's one potential factor to look at. the breitbart engine could be running out of gas or looking for a new gas station. by gas, i mean cash. bannon is losing his biggest financial patron, rebecca mercer. we haven't been able to convirm that, but wut it into context. >> it's lugely important because the mercers are the major financial benefactor of bannon's right wing empire.
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bright bart news and the government couldability institute and the research shop that produced an anti-clinton book. it's especially important because in the year since bannon was elevated to run trump's campaign, there has been a well organized boycott that cost breitbart news many of the advertisers. if the nursers were to pull out, that would do enormous damage to breitbart and without that platform, it's not clear what the venue would be for bannon to continue to exert the influence he has. >> it's not clear if these insurgent candidates would be flocking to him in the way we saw a couple of weeks ago. i was told by a couple of folks yesterday that even before we saw trump go after bannon, there were questions about how much juice he had coming out of alabama. he was supporting roy moore and roy moore lost to doug jones.
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they think potentially you could see the candidate fist not break from bannon, maybe not be so eagery showing up at the breitbart mansion and making clear that they are with him and they are representing the brandon-breitbart e deals. >> we heart the president talking about bannon and noting the fact that he called him a terrific guy? a wonderful guy? >> a great man. >> great man. here's part of what bannon has been talking about. he has been a breitbart news radio last night and this morning. >> in the south we have a saying. you get to the dance, you dance with the person that brought you to the dance. you don't dance with someone else. >> do you think that president trump should shut down the government if we don't get wall fund something. >> i don't care what trump says,
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he would never get in without you. >> don't worry about that. >> some danger of bannon. >> trump is not the only guy who likes to be flattered. >> isn't that a reason he got himself in trouble because of the glowing profiles and the idea that bannon was the man behind the president who was pulling the strings. snl made a joke about trump having the tiny desk. look no further to see bannon's continued influence. president andrew jackson's portrait is there in part because steve bannon turned the president into talk about andrew jack and his presidency and compared the two quite a bit i think that's still there, right? >> bannon's influence may be
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overstated. both trump and roy moore said steve bannon didn't create me. trump beat 15 or 17 people. the idea that steve bannon's decline is one story and that may happy, it could be the anti-establishment room in the party. that's going to remain. there will be plenty of candidates versus kind of donald trump candidates in the primaries. that's not dependent upon steve bannon completely. >> that's a good point, but the question is now at least until it changes in the next 24 hours, you are starting to see between the two men. the idea that you will see not just the candidates, but the base that was rah-rah, trump
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bannon. you have to make a decision and that was just one caller that we played. at least that woman if she is an indicator of others, bannon might have trouble. >> this ties to the conversation we were having and one of the values that bannon brought to trump when he was in the white house and after he left, he was basically the mouth piece for the trump base. he was the that reminded trump, hey, the base that brought you here and remained loyal to you supports a wall. supports whatever position you wanted from the campaign. if trump were to try to strike a deal with democrats, does steve bannon use the breitbart machine to rally the trump base against trump? >> and does it matter? >> there are potential consequences for trump's legislative agenda and the position that he takes on the agenda. >> i think they are all related.
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i have to show my favorite tweet of the day, a gift from mitch mcconnell's political arm that i tweeted and pictures are worth more than 1,000 words. the senate republican leeder steve bannon said he wants to get rid of and to run these conservative candidates who promised no more mitch mcconnell and the fact that the president excommunicated bannon yesterday. no question. stand by, up next, new pressure from inside the republican party for attorney general jeff sessions to step down. why lawmakers say he lost control of the agency that he has been tasked to lead. duncan just protected his family with a $500,000 life insurance policy. how much do you think it cost him? $100 a month? $75? $50? actually,duncan got his $500,000 for under $28 a month.
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>> today two republican lawmakers say it's time for attorney general jeff sessions to go. in a new op ed, mark meadows and jim jordan cite recent leaks from the fbi and justice department as a reason they say to step aside. here's what they write. they write it would appear he has no control at all of the law enforcement agency in the world. it's time for sessions to start managing in a spirit of transparency tow bring all of this imprommer behavior to light and stop further violations. if sessions can't address this
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immediately we have one final question needing an answer. when is it time for a new attorney general? sadly it seems the answer is now. back with our panel for people who don't know, you mentioned this earlier. mark mettos and jim jordan are among the most conservative. they are premier members of the freedom caucus in the house. the fact that they are saying jeff sessions should go seems to be a way for the congress to try to give the president wiggle room to say the attorney general is gone and we can point a new 1 and get rid of the special counsel. wishful thinking. >> i think it is at this point. we are talking about how bannon has pull with the base. particularly on the immigration. if trump would get rid of session, it would start a firestorm for russia, but when it comes to the base, jeff
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sessions really has a reservoir of good will among the immigration hard liners. >> he goes to the anti-mueller investigation and it's going too far. it gets into that context. there was an idea that sessions would run for the senate again. it's hard to imagine that jeff sessions would give up a senate seat to be ag and leave after a year. he has shown he's in a fight to keep this job for a long time. he's going to fight to keep it and if trump has the guts to fire him, he knows it will be a big problem politically. jeff sessions is unlikely to move, but conservatives are willing to push. >> for creates a huge problem and you would have to get somebody else nominated to be attorney general and you have a narrower margin in the senate and that job would be almost impossib impossible. >> even before we saw this come out from the house lawmakers and
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a little bit of of a split and very little appetite. that would be against the justice department. it might be obvious that they are pushing against a justice department. it was okay with eric holder and barack obama, this is their own party. i top the play something that the congressional reporter talked to chuck grassley who is the judiciary chair about with regard to the justice department. with the deep state justice department. he said publicly that he has the thort do whatever he wants. i'm wonder figure they oversee the justice department. the way he is handling it and
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the way he is criticizing and whether he should be independent of the white house. >> i think the tradition is independence. >> a man of few words, but he makes the few words count. >> he makes an important point that both parties have made regardless of what is in office. the relationship is always a little bit of a tricky one. the president nominates the attorney general and they nominate the top officials of the justice department. there is a tradition that there will be distance between the white house and the justice department investigations, particularly when the investigations cross over with other parts of the executive branch and the white house. that is why you see some of this nervousness and republicans when trump puts forward the possibility of firing jeff sessions and the idea that there is a deep state democrats out to get him at the justice department. they think about -- and elsewhere. they think about the idea of
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this tradition will independence being reached as a democrat in the white house. >> on that note, the justice department is pushing back in a big way. rod rosen stein who is a deputy attorney general who is in charge of the special counsel investigation because jeff sessions recused himself, he made pretty clear it seems in a meeting with devin nunez that republican house intelligence chair who has been beating a drum about the infamous dossier and more information about what went on inside the robert mueller probe and republicans claim is anti-trump, pro hillary. here's what he said after a meeting with rosen stein. after speaking with deputy attorney general rosen stein this evening since last night, i believe the committee reached an agreement with the department of justice that will provide the committee with access to all the documents and witnesses we have requested. the committee looks forward to
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receiving access over the coming days. this may seem potentially like it is in the weeds on the russia investigation, but it is very, very important. this is all about republicans saying don't worry so much about this russia investigation. let's investigate the investigators. >> part of the fear here is for republicans and for people in justice department. mueller's investigation has been bottled up and hasn't leaked and yet much of the testimony we have seen from house and senate intelligence committee has leaked almost immediately and nunez has been thought to be responsible for a lot of this. one worry i heard is that if the justice department were to turn over the documents to make the witnesses available, they would immediately pass through the media and all the dirty laundry would be aired in a way that could be spun to be anti-justice department and in a way that could inhibit mueller's investigation and cause trouble for the idea of an
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investigation. the new investigation probe and they are trying to push it off and they are not doing it. not be too frontal about it. they are irritating the people in their own party. >> everyone stand by. scary sounding weather that is living up to the hype. millions on the east coast are finding out what a bomb cyclone is as we speak. i have been diagnosed with stage 4 prostate cancer. when i met my team at ctca, they put together a comprehensive plan, that gave me an opportunity to accomplish my goals, and my dreams. learn more at cancercenter.com
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a few things popping up on our political radar today. luck of the draw literally put republican david yancey in office in the virginia statehouse. it was a drawing. his name was pulled first from a bowl about an hour ago to settle a tie from the statehouse election back in november. both yancey and democrat shelly simmons got 11,608 votes. rules are rules so the election is now decided and david yancey is the winner, keeping republicans in control, but the virginia house of delegates now with a one-vote majority.
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attorney general jeff sessions is wiping out some policy rules that have to do with the federal government's attitude towards legalized marijuana. there are memos from the obama days that say the federal government will not interfere with states where pot is legal even though it's still technically illegal on a nationwide level. no word if sessions will replace that policy with something else, but look who is not happy about it. republican senator gardner from colorado where pot is legal. he said this reported action directly contradicts what attorney general jeff sessions told me prior to his confirmation with no prior notice to congress, they trampled on the will of the voters in colorado and other states. he went on to say i am prepared to take all steps including holding doj nominees until they live up to the commitment he made prior to his confirmation.
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and it's another milestone for the american stock market. the dow blasted across the 25,000 line today. first time ever. a 36% spike in the past callentar year. trump tweeting congrats big cuts in unnecessary regulation continuing. this just in to cnn. congressman greg harper says he will not seek reelection. he represented mississippi's third district since 2009. congressman harper is the 29th republican member of congress to announce they are leaving office. turning now to the brutal freezing storm pounding new england right now with a terrifying name, it's called a bomb cyclone. it basically means it's a very big blizzard dumping several inches of snow from virginia beach all the way up to the canadian border.
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let's go to brian looking very cold and very white there in massachusetts. how's it going there? >> we are getting pelted right now with ice or going in and out of white out conditions as they are going about an hour south of boston in the south shore. look at the waves we are seeing. the ocean is filled with chunks of ice. we are estimating the waves or the swells to be about three feet high and further out into the ocean about 13 feet high. that's what they are reporting and the problem here that officials have been telling us, the super moon everyone has been admiring this week is causing the high tide to be higher than expected. this is going to cause flooding, particularly for this area. people who live along the coastline, some reports of minor flooding at this point too. as we move the camera over, you guys can get a good idea of how strong the winds are other than looking at me.
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these are 50-foot fishing boats that we have seen come to this area tying them down with extra hopes to make sure there is not major damage. they are smashing up against each other at this point. the next worry will be the ice that goes on to power line fist any of those goes down. the worry is that people will be without heat for an extended amount of time. >> incredible scenes where you are. thanks for that report. let's go north in boston. what are the conditions like there? >> we are about 50 yards from boston harbor and they don't just have the snow, but major flooding. high tide happening about 15 minutes ago and the harbor jumping the sea wall. emergency vehicles coming down the street here to block cars from coming down the street. this is water from the harbor.
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it only gets deeper down the street where on that fire truck is going up to at least a foot or two deep of water down the street. emergency vehicles trying to get down the street until cars will not go. numerous vehicles are getting stuck and people couldn't get out. you see fire officials coming here to park to put up a blockade and cars know they shouldn't go down this way. we are expected to get up to a foot of snow. two to three inches an hour. >> you wanted to know what a bomb cyclone looks like. that's it. let's head to cnn weather center to tom sader who is our meteorologist. where is the storm headed next? >> we can count a couple of blessings. 250 miles off the shore. that's the second and it's moving fast. here's a big problem and we had
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3600 cancellations across the united states. for boston, philadelphia, and new york. it is causing chaos for air travel on the ground. this is a wide swath. we have up to 11 inches from atlantic city. virginia beach had 50 mile per hour winds for three hours. my big concern always has been and continues to be power outages. if you eliminate the snowfall, even the winds alone, tropical storm force toss in heavy snow coming down to two or three inches per hour and we are talking about 100 to 200,000. a pretty good band moved across new york city. we have got a number of areas that will see a big drop off in the totals the further west you go. the rain is changing over to snow now and typically you have the heaviest snowfall north of the ice line. we have 13 million and yesterday was $7.7 million.
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the system is 250 miles offshore. if it was 50 miles closer, hurricane force winds would be on the east coast. the snow will be tapering off quickly and then comes the bitter cold. single digit high temperatures. >> glad to hear it will be heading offshore and north very, very soon. tom, appreciate it and thank you very much for joining inside politics. we are waiting for the white house briefing set to start in about a half hour. wolf blitzer is up after a quick break.
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i'm wolf writser and it's 1:00 p.m. in washington. from wherever you are watching, thank you very much for joining us. west wing dram a. president trump said to be furious over a new book detailing the chaos in the white house. new revelations and new responses. plus the president's lawyers telling his vired adviser steve bannon to stop talking and the publisher to stop production. this as the white house also bans staff and visitors from using personal cell phones. we will get new information. and
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