historic talks are going to begin. we'll see where they go forward, especially as they get ready for the winter olympic games in south korea. that's it for me. thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. out front now. trumps alternate universe. you won't believe what they were saying tonight. plus, with talk of the president's mental fitness going louder, two prominent doctors weigh in. special counsel bob mueller, will he interview trump on the investigation? and can trump's attorneys control at all what mueller asks? let's go "out front." good evening, i'm erin burnett. out front tonight, shameless plug. the president speaking out today after spending a weekend fending off questions about his own mental state, questions that he lit kerosene by tweeting that

he's a, quote, very stable genius. hitting the road today, the president had this message. >> oh, are you happy you voted for me. you are so lucky that i gave you that privilege. >> the president's grandstanding and self-promotion coming as he's calling friends and allies and telling them to choose, him or steve bannon. bannon, of course, is a central voice in the bombshell book that has put trump's mental state front and center. republicans are now standing up for their man, even his fiercest gop critics now doing complete about faces. i just have to show you because it's pretty incredible. let's start with the tennessee senator bob corker. he's traveling with trump today. on board air force one. sources tell cnn that corker has repaired his relationship with trump, a relationship that was frankly doomed and said what he really thought about trump's state of mind. >> the president has not yet --

has not yet been able to demonstrate the stability nor some of the competence that he needs to demonstrate in order to be successful. >> okay. corker then said on twitter, and i quote in part, it's a shame the white house has become an adult day care center. that's corker. then there's senator lindsey graham. during the 2016 campaign graham and trump were frequently at each other's throats. let me just play for you what senator graham had to say about our now commander in chief. >> i think he's a kook. i think he's crazy. i think he's unfit for office. >> so now in the wake of wolff's book, graham, put up or -- well, he's made a choice and he has done an about face. >> i've enjoyed working with him. i don't think he's crazy. >> i think he's crazy, i don't think he's crazy. trump's fiercest critics seem to

be living in an alter universe. their own convictions and words seem not to apply. they are living in the universe of trump's closest aides like white house aide steven miller. here he is on cnn. >> the realities is is the president is a political genius who won against a field of 17 incredibly talented people, who took down the bush dynasty. who took down the clinton dynasty, who took down the entire media complex. what i've seen with him traveling to meet dozens of foreign leaders with his incredible work -- >> you're not answering the question. >> you have 24 hours a day of antitrump material. >> i get it. >> the real experience of trump. >> there's one viewer you're caring about and you're being a fact quoter in order to please him. >> no. >> you know who i care about -- >> you've wasted enough of my viewer's time. >> and the interview ended there. last but not least, there is the ever loyal vice president.

pence earlier today attacking the new michael wolff book "fire and fury" and defending his boss's work ethic. >> excerpts i've heard bear absolutely no resemblance to the president that i spend three, four, five hours a day with every day. >> well, this comes as the news site axios has trump's private schedules. he takes executive time from 8 to 11:00 a.m. time spent watching tv, tweeting, talking on the phone. then a meeting with his chief of staff, lunch, more executive time, more executive time and a day that often ends just after 4:00. caitlyn collins is out front tonight in atlanta where the president is tonight. caitlyn, the president is angry and the white house is fighting back on the schedules which axios obtained. >> reporter: yeah, they certainly are pushing back and pushing back hard on this, erin, at the idea that the president

has anything resembling a light schedule on his hands this week after axios reported that he has these large chunks of what they call executive time in the morning because as we know from seeing his public schedule that they released to the media, he usually gets into the oval office at 11:00 a.m. for his intelligence briefing. his private schedule has executive time sprinkled throughout the day. the white house is pushing back saying this is a ludicrous idea that he's not working hard. he has a yeoman like work schedule going on. we often know when he spends his time in the morning calling lawmakers, cabinet secretaries and whatnot, that he's also often on twitter and tweeting about what's on television. now it's another thing the white house has often pushed back on is this notion that the president spends several hours a day watching television as "the new york times" reported back in december and though the president himself says he doesn't watch much tv, you'll often find him tweeting

something minutes after it's aired on television. erin, all of this comes after the white house has pushed back after the revelations questioning the president's mental fitness and if he even wants to be in office. this has certainly been a week with the white house on defense with vice president mike pence as you just heard from him there. >> thank you very much, caitlyn. out front now, joshua green. author of "devils bargain." april ryan, white house correspondent and here on set tim naftali. josh, let me start with you tonight. senator corker and senator graham, let's just put it this way, they have said what they really think. so why are they kowtowing and acting like they're in an alternate universe now? >> for influence. that's the bottom line. what we know about trump, if you want to influence him, you need to ingratiate yourself into his good graces. there's no better example of that than the kind of tobying

way we saw in the miller piece. we know that trump loves that sort of behavior because he tweeted about it afterward. >> yeah. >> but all of these people have figured out is that if you want to have that influence, you have to say nice things about trump, then he'll let you into his orbit and then you can influence him. both graham and corker have major bills, major issues that they're worried about that they're trying to get the president to come over to their side on and this is the way to do it. >> tim, it's pretty stunning. who cares if they think he's crazy or a child who's unstable in the words of bob corker. >> the question you have to ask watching this behavior is, first of all, what about these gentlemen's self-respect and what about their legacy? does bob corker want to leave the senate being viewed as a

toty? how can we measure the extent of this sycofency? they're making a huge risk. they're taking a huge risk in acting this way, and i can't imagine that it's a good deal for them. >> i'd venture to say zero because he'll remember what they said before, happy to take the sycofency. the central argument about trump's instability does ring true to many reporters, to many who know him. the author is standing by something very specific. the people who know him think trump is crazy. he says the book is made up. here he is with don lemon. i wanted to play this important clip, april. >> this was not a secret. everybody was told to speak to me. >> and in the book you saban nontold people to cooperate? >> bannon told people to cooperate. sean spicer told people to cooperate.

kellyanne conway told people to cooperate. >> why then -- >> because they're liars. what are you talking about? this is donald trump. this is what he does. day after day after day after day, incident after incident after incident he doesn't tell the truth because he doesn't know what the truth is. >> april, who is winning right now? trump, who's making these calls and getting all of these -- you know, the brave critics in the republican party even to come out? i take jeff flake off that list. he's the only one who has not caved, or wolff? >> definitely not the american public because this is very ugly. what we do know is the fact that this white house is vehemently going after this man who had access, and why are they doing it? that's the question. i mean, it depends on who you're talking to. if it's someone who never really cared for trump and they're in trouble, they're going to think wolff is winning. if it's someone who believes in

this president like many of his base are still believing in him, it's another leftist issue. what i believe is the trump card, if you will, for wolff. he says he's got tapes. he's got to let those tapes out. he's got to back it up. they're going to continue to come after him and all he has now is those tapes. he's giving receipts, they said this, they said that. steve bannon has come out, said i'm sorry. he's apologized. he needs to back it up stronger to make proof positive that this is what happened. >> right. apologized to don jr. in specific, not ivanka who he called dumb as a brick and many others, just to make that point, right? that he signaled only to don jr. tim, i want to play a little bit more about what the president said in nashville that it was great he gave people the privilege of voting for him. here's a little bit of it. >> oh, are you happy you voted for me. you are so lucky that i gave you that privilege. the other choice wasn't going to

work out too well for the farmers, or the miners, or anybody else. >> classic trump? >> classic trump. this is, after all, the man, let's not forget in cleveland, he stood out there and said we have all of these problems. i alone can fix them. he has made it clear from the beginning as a candidate, now as president, that his ego has no bounds and it's just natural that he's going to respond to criticism by doubling down and saying you are all so lucky. you don't realize it yet. here is his problem, it's not working. if you look at his public approval rating, it is lower than it was during the campaign. he is doing a better job of selling michael wolff's book than his own presidency. >> he's done a stupendous job of selling michael wolff's book. one of the greatest best sellers on record. josh, you know, the thing about the schedule is obviously very important, he's very upset about that. starts his day later, ending it

earlier, fewer official meetings, only a couple of scheduled meetings. gets down at 11:00 and the scheduled day is done right around 4:00. the white house spokesperson called questions about trump's schedule ludicrous. he's the one who says he exhibits yeoman's like work. >> it's a pretty open secret that trump doesn't actually enjoy the job of being president. he may like the adulation and the fact that he can bass being in his own narcissism like he was at the tennessee rally. but he doesn't like meetings, briefings, having to make tough decisions. doing the executive managerial duties that are the bulk of a president's job and so it sounds like he's really just decided for the to do them very much. so he's adopted these kind of bankers' hours where he can spend the morning hours watching fox news, tweeting, show up for four or five hours during the

day, and then break off at 4 or 5 in the afternoon, going back to what he enjoys doing, which is keeping up with cable news. >> april, i've spent a lot of time with trump in his office over the years. he keeps the door open. he likes to call people about random things and conference people in. he likes to gossip. that's the way he's been for a long time. >> you have to remember when you are president there is a bubble and they do want to have a semblance of normalcy that gossip is really something that they don't have, but this president really wants to hear it. that's why that cell phone is so intricate and important for him. i'm going to say this to you, erin, as well. knowing for a fact george w. bush and barack obama, the latest that they would come into the oval office would be about 8:30 in the morning because that is the time, early in the morning is when they would get their senior staff briefings about what happened the night before, what is happening that day, and what's happening, period. this president has done

something differently, particularly when it comes to the last two presidents. 8:30 versus 11:00. >> it raises a question what happens in that time, who is making decisions. is it him? is it someone else? a lot of questions raised thank you all three so very much. don't miss don lemon's interview with the author of "fire and fury." you can see it on cnn with don at 10:00 p.m. president trump's physical exam does not include -- will not include a psychiatric exam. i'll speak to two prominent doctors next. plus, the whisper campaign over the 25th amendment is growing louder tonight. who decides if the president is fit or not to hold the office and could this be america's next commander in chief? >> the new day is on the horizon! let's begin.

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. new tonight, the white house saying president trump will not receive a psychiatric exam during his upcoming physical. this week the checkup coming amid new questions about whether the president is mentally fit. an explosive tell-all book claims people around the president questions his fitness for office. out front, dr. john gertner.

dr. alan francis, author of "twilight of american sanity." thanks so much to both of you. dr. gertner, let me start with you. is it fair for people who have not treated the president personally to suggest that he is not mentally fit to hold the office of president? >> well, what we've learned from michael wolff is the people who interact with him daily, up close, 100% of them think that he's psychologically unfit and they discuss the 25th amendment on a daily basis. i think it's a scandal that donald trump is not going to receive a neuropsychological exam during his presidential fitness test. there is strong evidence to believe that he is developing dementia in terms of his diminished vocabulary, his inability to even complete a sentence. this is a matter of national security. why would we only look at his

blood pressure and not look at what may be a degenerative, a neurological disorder that we're seeing clear signs of, accept ra from t -- separate from whether he has a personality disorder. we are looking at hard signs of mental, physical, cognitive deterioration. why wouldn't we test for those things? >> i just want to point out, look, we at cnn have not verified that claim in the book, that he's repeating himself or not recognizing people. newt gingrich told reporters presidents get good lines and they repeat them. it sounds to many, dr. gertner, he never finished a sentence maybe his mind was so quick and moved onto the next thing, right? back to the point -- dementia is a very, very serious charge to put out there. >> as i said in my answer, if we compare his verbal productions now to what they were like ten years ago, it's like two different people. the level of deterioration in his vocabulary and the quality of his thought is dramatic, so

we have to compare people to their own baseline and we're seeing dramatic cognitive deterioration and we're not even inquiring whether this might be the expression of something much more serious and dangerous. >> just to be clear, dr. gertner, you have not treated him or met him? >> no, but the people who do work with him on a daily basis are concerned and a lafrmd about this. >> dr. frances, you think it's not only wrong but dangerous to try to be diagnosing this president. why? >> well, i think that dr. gertner's motives are laudable. who am i to spoil that with a finger on a nuclear button. his methods are misguided. what he doesn't know about psychiatric diagnosis is a lot. i think the issue of donald trump's unfitness for president is completely without controversy except among his most avid supporters. he is the most unfit person to have in this office that i could

possibly imagine, but insult to the mentally ill to say that the reason he shouldn't be in office is mental illness. he's a bad person, ignorant, impulsive, he's been like this his entire life. to think that the people who america elected to office will be removed because of a psychiatric opinion is absolutely ridiculous. there's no chance in the world that he'll be removed under the 25th amendment. and it's dangerous to do this because it distracts from the political work of the congress, of we the people, of the press in containing this. >> dr. gertner? >> well, i don't want to really get bogged down in the fine points of diagnosis, though i disagree with al frances. if we had time i could dispute it point by point. for example, saying donald trump doesn't show distress or dysfunction, we have evidence to show that isn't correct.

we're in agreement that he is unfit. we're in agreement that that is a danger. that every man, woman and child in the world is at risk of dieing because this man is so woefully unfit. he is unraveling and deteriorating. so whether you want to get bogged down in the fine points of diagnosis or not, the big picture is he's unfit, he's deteriorating and if we can't do a diagnosis from a distance, then for god's sake let's do one up close. >> do you agree with dr. gertner, his words that it's a scandal? that president trump is not getting a psychiatric evaluation? >> it's ridiculous to think that a psychiatrist would remove donald trump from office. in thinking that, dr. gertner is reducing the responsibility of our congress, which right today should be establishing a protocol on nuclear warfare that keeps donald trump from pressing the button in an early morning

fit of anger. congress has the control. the courts have control. the press has to and we have to in 2018. should not be so obsessed with trump's latest motivation or psychiatric illness that we neglect our ability to watch him. >> someone to knows trump said he used to listen for 30 seconds, now he listens to 10. they say his ego has grown. is it possible that it is more than that than a mental deterioration that you described? >> i think it is both. malignant narcissists become inflamed with their grandiosity when they've achieved success. he thinks he knows more about everything than everybody. that's his personality disorder, that's his grandiosity.

what i'm talking about is not an evaluation by a psychiatrist, i'm talking about an evaluation by a neurologist. he may have alzheimer's disorder. they should give him a neuropsychiatric battery, this is a physical disorder. we have tests and procedures for testing it and why the heck are we giving him a physical exam and looking at his blood sugar and not looking at his cognitive function? >> dr. frances, can i ask you a question separate from the fact that neither of you have treated him and to speculate on his mental health, you know, in your view would be inappropriate, but do you think it would be appropriate that every president would have a test for something like alzheimer's since there is tests to be done for plague in the brain. not just this president, every president. >> i wouldn't mind that. woodrow wilson suffered from deterioration after a stroke and his wife ran the country for two years. this is the point that trump was

an idiot at 25, 35, 55, the 34er american people idiot. we elected him. we now have to get him out of office and get the people supporting him out of the office through the electoral caucus. 2018 is the time to do that. >> i agree. >> on that note of agreement. next trump versus oprah. talking 2020. he says, bring it on. political watchers are saying, don't rule her out. showdown. bob mueller preparing for a possible interview with president trump. already, trump's lawyers want to limit it. we can do this. at fidelity, our online planning tools are clear and straightforward so you can plan for retirement while saving for the things you want to do today. -whoo! while saving for the things and when youod sugar is a replace one meal... choices. ...or snack a day with glucerna... ...made with carbsteady... ...to help minimize blood sugar spikes...

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tonight buzz building about oprah 2020 after her golden globe speech last night. two of the media mogul's close friends she is, quote, actively thinking about running for president. those same sources adding that some of her can have -- confidantes have told her to run. >> the new day is on the horizon! >> reporter: acceptance speech or campaign kickoff? make no mistake about t oprah winfrey is thinking about running for president. she's been having conversations about this for months with some in her inner circle urging her to run. winfrey's speech about the me too movement almost sounded like a stump speech. >> speaking your truth is the

most powerful tool we all have. >> reporter: winfrey's long time partner was asked by an la times reporter. his response, it's up to the people. she would absolutely do it. she already has hollywood. >> but there's only one person whose name is a verb, adjective and a feeling. that's oprah. does the rest of the country agree? >> i don't know her political thoughts. >> in 2015 trump praised winfrey. >> she's a friend of mine, she's a great person. >> forks says trump is worth 3.1, winfrey 2.8 billion. both know how to put on a show. that's where the similarities stop. she is seen as liberal, he's conservative. she is america's aunt, he's america's testy uncle. >> your' fired. >> he is 71, she is 63. >> oh, that is god. >> she has a show about

spirituali spirituality. >> she promotes weight watchers he loves mcdonald's. >> time to expose the crooked media. >> she has a famous book club. >> you're going to have joy reading this. >> he reportedly does not have time for books. >> i read areas, i'll read chapters. i just -- i don't have the time. >> where trump's brand is divisive, winfrey promotes siville lilt at this and unity. >> by the time of the next election are we more likely to come together. >> winfrey shoots down 2020 talk. >> is there any chance you'll run for office. >> never. >> other times she stokes the fire. >> i don't know enough. now i'm thinking, oh. >> she has the platform. national tv shows and 41 million twitter followers. that's almost as many as trump. she also has a presidential

friend, barack obama. it's unclear if the two of them have talked about an oprah ticket but, hey, it's too bad trump doesn't need a v.p. because this is what he said in 1999. >> do you have a vice presidential candidate in mind? >> i haven't gotten quite there yet. >> oprah. i love oprah. oprah would always be my first choice. >> a friend of oprah's is saying she is being courteds to think about running. she's taking this seriously, listenin listening, taking it all in. she's not ruling it out either. >> that's a good interview. >> one of the comments from this source was, i don't know what she'll do. she doesn't know what she'll do, but this is a long game. we haven't even gotten to the mid term elections. >> 16 months before trump declared. a lot of time to ask questions. >> i think she's enjoying this

today. i was told she was surprised by how much reaction there was. >> brian, thank you very much. former senior communications jason miller and angela wry, jason, oprah 2020. clearly something many desperately want. look at today. >> well, it was a fantastic speech last night. i have to give oprah a lot of credit for that. ultimately i don't think she'll run in 2020. everybody loves oprah. her favorables are in 80 to 90%. as soon as she were to run for office, half the country isn't a fan. also, a lot of the sharpest criticism will come from democrats. two important take aways, erin, number one, the strong rebuke democrats have for secretary clinton. they never clapped like that for secretary clinton. it shows how much democrats wanted someone they could be excited about in 2016. as we look ahead to 2020, it's a

rejection of the current field, whether it be kristen gilley brandt, mark clooney. >> you're basing your whole hope here, jason, on that she won't run but if she does, formidable. >> what she'll find out is hollywood is not an early primary seat. the road to nomination goes through des moines, manchester, columbia, south carolina. one thing we learned from president obama in '08, he was a street fighter. he essentially chopped her up. we don't know if oprah has that side. so it's a lot different to go out there and give a really strong speech which, again, she gave a fantastic speech last night. it's another thing to go out there against someone like president trump.

>> irnl, erin, go ahead. >> sure. jason, i appreciate your critique. one thing i have to say is oprah has a formidable record, not just as a potential candidate but as a human being. she is what i would absolutely say is a true definition of a global citizen. this is the most philanthropic woman in hollywood. she is a billionaire and that's actually really proven. she doesn't have to lie about her money. this is someone who doesn't have an enemy in the world. so there shouldn't be a republican negative thing to say, a green party negative thing to say. nothing negligent toative to sa oprah. your president before he was running for office even talked about oprah. so, you know, we can go around talking about how unqualified

she is. >> at the very least she would be coming in the way he was prior to his victory. angela, she sounded frankly very political in some of the things last night when she talked about the press and things that were happening. i wanted to play a brief clip of that. >> we all know that the press is under siege these days but we also know that it is the insayingsal dedication to uncovering the absolute truth that keeps us from turning a blind eye to corruption and to injustice, to tyrants and victims and secrets and lies. >> press under siege, tyrants, secrets, lies? >> she talking trump, angela? >> i think she's talking truth.

it just so happens donald trump fits the bill. he regularly attacks the news media every day on twitter. there has been lie after lie. you can go to politifact, lie after lie, she's pointing out the truth. obvious to everyone in that room and everyone knows, this is an administration that struggles with the truth. this is an administration that struggles with transparency frankly and this is an administration that is threatened by the press which is why donald trump would have to do a presser remotely even though he's 15 feet away from the press room. >> right. but ultimately elections become about match-ups. that's where you can't go to the absolute platitudes of saying, look out. you have to see where you stand. the president has gone and cut taxes. where does oprah stand on taxes?

where does she stand on certain law and order issues. ultimately she'll choose to be popular. once they realize they can get someone better, clooney, zuk kerrman, they'll be better. >> what would donald trump tell robert mueller under oath? the truth? and if you believe that new book, even trump's aides are talking about the 25th amendment, so here's the question. what is it and how likely is it that the 25th amendment could be invoked? coming at you with my brand-new vlog. just making some ice in my freezer here. so check back for that follow-up vid. this is my cashew guy bruno. holler at 'em, brun. kicking it live and direct here at the fountain.

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breaking news. president trump's legal team preparing for special counsel robert mueller to request an interview with trump. sources tell cnn the president's lawyers are looking to limit the parameters of what the interview would cover. they're looking to see if it would be in person or if they can provide a written statement. joining us is danny hack. i appreciate your time. let's start with the reporting we have here. they're looking at how they can limit the scope of that

interview including the crucial, crucial point, whether it needs to be under oath and whether it can be recorded. what's your reaction to those two limitations that they would like? >> my reaction to the whole question, thank you for having me on, is in bob mueller i trust. thus far in the seven plus months of conducting this investigation he's done so with the utmost of professional standards and i trust that he will take this next step in the way that serves our national interests. i have a lot of faith in director mueller. >> a lot of faith in director mueller but when the trump team wonder if it has to be under oath, what does that say? >> erin, throughout the past year we have been treated to kind of this nonstop periodic revelation of new information and they keep moving the goalposts on what is being

represented. i'm not surprised in the slightest bit that there is some push back on this, but again, i have a lot of confidence in bob mueller. he'll get to the truth and frankly i think we'll get the truth whether the president cooperates or not. >> if he doesn't get the interview and it's written, you're confident he'll get what he needs to get? >> yes, erin. he's earned our confidence. >> do you think he the president has anything to say about possible collusion with russia? >> well, he's done nothing but say for the last year that there was no collusion with russia and the interference with our election. he seems to be taking the tact of if he says it enough, it will be true. whether it was the e-mail communication with wikipedia or wikileaks. the fact of the matter is that

there was collusion and that's been firmly established. i don't even think it's arguable at this point. >> the president, i want to ask you about this. it's a crucial thing. 800,000 young people in this country are affected by daca, right, the d.r.e.a.m.ers act. he says he'll protect them. he'll do that for democrats if you guys fund his border wall. he has asked for a total of about 30 plus billi$30 plus bil wall and additional security measures. >> i think there are two very important reasons why we should deal with the d.r.e.a.m.ers. the first is the human story. these people are living in abject fear in the shadow of being returned to a country where they have no recollection of and they don't identify with. >> would you make that deal? >> erin, now is the time for

accountability. from the time he rode down that escalator and announced his candidacy right up to and after his election to the presidency he said on an almost daily basis, we're going to build the wall and mexico's going to pay for it. we ought not to let him off the hook of that promise which he made not once, not twice, an infinite number of times in his campaign. >> i'll give you that although i want to point out you didn't directly answer my question. >> let me deal with it, erin. democrats will make a deal on increased border security. whether or not that includes a wall is -- let's be smart about this. we ought to have improved border security, but this can take a lot of forms. the fact of the matter is donald trump said an infinite number of times, mexico will pay for this wall. now he's gone back on that. >> before we go, oprah? what do you say? >> i'm going to tell you a quick

story. as it turns out, my wife and i are the adoptive parents of two sons, both at birth. the younger one happens to be african-american and i can remember vividly and as though it was yesterday when the little guy was about 4 or 5 years old we were watching a seattle mariners game and ken griffey jr. came to bat. at this time my son had no self-awareness of the difference of his racial heritage versus his parents. i will remember he looked down at his arm and he caressed it and he said, he has the same color skip i do. frankly, erin, i cried. i cried because his first self-awareness was associated with a positive role model like ken griffey jr. fast forward two decades. i have by that son a 3-year-old granddaughter and i can well imagine the impact it would have on her as a human being if oprah did run and if oprah were elected, the message to her would be anything is possible no matter who you are in this

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tonight calls growing among democrats is that some republicans to remove president trump from office. that would mean trump is ruled physically or mentally incapable of performing the duties of president. it is a claim that is brought up frequently by some of trump's own aides in the white house. >> there are many moments in which the 25th amendment has come up. the 25th amendment in which gives the cabinet the ability to remove the president. they don't say the cabinet is going to remove the president. but they do say things like, well, this is a little 25th

amendment here. >> tom, this is now become the big question. what exactly would have to happen to invoke the 25th amendment in this country? >> a lot. the twit seemed a tool that was put in place if a president becomes utterly incapacitated. he has a stroke or an injury or an illness or he is howling at the moon crazy. if that happens, this is what would follow. the vice president and the majority of the cabinet would have to send a written notice to congress. this is a written declaration that the president is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. there's some leeway there. it could be done by a committee pointed by congress but that's the general outline. if that happens and congress gets that note, immediately the vice president would be nut charge at the white house. but it's not over. if the president is not out of his head, he can send another notice that says no, then he's

back in office and the lawyers are brandished at ten paces and the fight is on. >> okay. so right there, you put the bar pretty incredibly high. specially on a mental basis, anybody who is unfit would say they are fit. and certainly this didn't happen with reagan who obviously toward end of his tenure was suffering from alzheimer's. so let's just say president comes back and fights back and says i'm fine but the vice president disagrees. how does this play out? >> then it goes to congress. in congress, it has another high bar. you have to have two-thirds of all the people in the house and the senate staying president needs to be removed from his job. and you don't have to be very good at math would know the the republicans hold mag jorts in both the house and the senate and a lot of republicans standing behind this president, day in and day out, that is not very likely to happen. unless you have some extraordinary event out there

some of the cataclysm we haven't even talked about yet. if you think the 25th amendment will push this president out, you may be the one who needs your head examined. >> it certainly sounds that way. even if you have democrats win congress, maybe if they win the senate, that is a slim possibility. >> two-thirds? that's a lot. >> thank you very much. next, trump's shrinking work day. aides call it his executive time. coaching means making tough choices. jim! you're in! but when you have high blood pressure and need cold medicine that works fast, the choice is simple. coricidin hbp is the #1 brand that gives powerful cold symptom relief without raising your blood pressure. coricidin hbp. and when youod sugar is a replace one meal... choices.

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when you're the chief executive of the united states, does down time between executive time? here's jeanne moos. >> for something new in the white house -- executive time. >> quote unquote executive time. >> i love the new euphemism for tv watching as executive time. >> in no time the new time was plastered on a t-shirt because of a scoop by the website axios. >> the president's schedule has been secretly shrinking. >> he's reportedly not coming to the office, the oval office, until 11:00 a.m. the white house calls it executive time. >> it says pits in the oval office. that's not true. he is actually in the residence watching tv, making phone call, tweeting. >> how executive time flies to twitter. i'm going to start calling my animals executive time.

here's zoe taking some executive time. how we spend our executive time, tweeted comedy central. executive time sounds like something your dad says as he heads into the bathroom with a stack of magazines and newspapers. voila, the executive time machine. the white house press secretary countered saying the president is one of the hardest workers i've ever seen and puts in long hours and long days nearly every day of the week all year long. >> remember the days when candidate trump was dising hillary for a lack of energy? >> she doesn't have the stamina to be president of this country, you need tremendous stamina. >> it takes stamina just to say stamina. hey, if it were not for executive time, maybe we wouldn't have gems like that stable genius tweet. a very stable jean just at that, is how the president described himself. >> i think this. if he doesn't call himself a genius, nobody will.

>> then he found the genius in the stable to be mr. ed the talking horse. he gets his daily briefing. even a stable genius likes to kickback and enjoy some executive time. jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> thank you for joining us. "ac 360" starts now. president trump's legal team is bracing for the big one. the moment when robert mueller says he would like a word or two with the president. the last time something like this happened was in 1998. president clinton laid to ken star's grand jury and it did not go well. this would not be the first time for president trump. as a private citizen, he gave plenty of testimony, not all of it the whole truth or even close. we'll talk about that. this weekend he said he is a genius, a very stable genius. also the damage from the michael