>> then he found the genius in the stable to be mr. ed the talking horse. he gets his daily briefing. even a stable genius likes to kickback and enjoy some executive time. jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> thank you for joining us. "ac 360" starts now. president trump's legal team is bracing for the big one. the moment when robert mueller says he would like a word or two with the president. the last time something like this happened was in 1998. president clinton laid to ken star's grand jury and it did not go well. this would not be the first time for president trump. as a private citizen, he gave plenty of testimony, not all of it the whole truth or even close. we'll talk about that. this weekend he said he is a genius, a very stable genius. also the damage from the michael wolff book continues. and steve bannon backing away

from some of what he said in the book. he refused to leave and he was escorted out of the building by security. it was that kind of a weekend and it is still only monday. we again with chief analyst gloria borger with the trump/mueller story. >> well, lawyers for donald trump are anticipating that they're going to get this request for an interview, as one might expect. and there have been no substantive discussions on the matter yet. but his attorneys, as you would expect, have been talking about this amongst themselves for months about how they would handle any requests from the special counsel to talk to the president. as you can imagine, anderson, they're going to try to put as many parameters around it as they possibly can to try to protect their client. >> what limits, and could the legal team impose? >> they can ask.

it is not clear what mueller would say to them. they can say, does had have to be under oath? can you give us written questions to which we would reapply with written answers, this happened with ronald reagan and iran-contra. does this have to be recorded? can we have an informal interview rather than a formal interview? so there are all kinds of thing they're thinking about. they're looking at precedent, at reagan, at george w. bush, with iraq, the 9/11 commission. so they're trying to look at all these things and say, well, how can we respond to what will be an inevitable request from the special counsel? has the president's legal team spoken on the record? >> they have. they have very little. ty cobb, who is the internal special counsel for the president inside the white house said this today. he said for the record, the

white house does not comment on communications with the office of special counsel out of respect for the osc and its process. the white house is continuing its full cooperation with the osc in order to facilitate the earlierest possible resolution. and anderson, they would like the get this over with as quickly as possible. and you know, you mentioned bill clinton earlier. they went through months of litigation on this and they finally wound up with clinton before a grand jury. and i don't think that is what trump's lawyers want at all. i think they would rather get this over as quickly as possible to try to find a way to accommodate what mueller wants with what they believe would be in the best interests of their clients and get it done. >> all right. gloria, stay with us. i want to bring in the legal experts. professor, if you were advising the president, or the team, what would you advise? >> well, it would be a subpoena.

no lawyer present. no opportunity to know the questions in advance. donald trump unscripted, uncontrolled. >> that's the last thing they want. >> a nightmare, donald trump in a grand jury room. they'll do anything to avoid that. he won't plead the fifth. he has to answer the questions so they'll accept anything short of. interrogatories, questions, written questions, maybe an informal interview. remember, if you lie to a law enforcement official, even not under oath, that is a serious federal crime. so mueller has the leverage here, the legal leverage because he can threaten the grand jury subpoena. but what i think ultimately they would prefer, the defense attorneys, is to make all kinds of proposalproposals, to not in grand jury subpoena so they can say, well, we offered to cooperate but mueller didn't accept it. i don't think that will happen. i think there will be a

compromise or it will be called in front of a grand jury. >> how do you see it? >> well, i think both sides have a lot of leverage. as allen said, here's at the possibility of a grand jury subpoena but that could lead to months of litigation. i think the trump is at less risk than most people think because of the unique circumstances of these kinds of questioning. anderson, you have interviewed donald trump. we have all seen him answer questions. when you ask him a question, he will talk for 40 minutes in response. and he, in the grand jury or in any of these circumstances, there is no judge to tell him to stop. so i think whatever circumstances he winds up in, he is just going to filibuster. he is going to talk about what he wants to talk about. he will say there was no collusion over and over again. and i think it will be very difficult for mule and his team to pin the president down.

he's testified many times. and i think he is at less risk than perhaps allen does. >> to jeff's point, every lawyer i've ever talked to, if you're going to testify, says answer the question. be as brief as possible. don't elaborate. do jeff's point, if he does elaborate, isn't that a danger for the president? >> i think there's a danger for the president and also a danger, sort of a legal risk, for other individuals who have already been interviewed by the special counsel's office who might be campaign aides or individuals who work in the white house. when he does end up having to conduct an interview with the special counsel's office, the question with respect to whether he tells the truth and whether or not his statements are truthful will have an effect. not only as to whether or not he then is liable in some way for giving false statements to

investigators, but also his statements will be compared to other information others have given. so those statements will be compared. so his truth telling is important. not just him but as well as for others. >> professor, tim o'brien was sued by donald trump when he was a citizen, he was work at the "new york times" at that point and they deposed donald trump. according to tim, a number of inconsistencies, false statements came out in the president's deposition. when president clinton testified, he was allowed, if memory serves me correct, he was allowed to be in his lawyer's office and his lawyers were actually present. so those are the things they can negotiate. >> they can negotiate but i do think, any president who goes on and on and on raises the odds that he'll say something that is not true. now, he's been deposed. but you don't normally get indicted for lying under deposition. you should. people should be indicted for lying in a deposition but

they're not. if you're the president of the united states, he have line will be scrutinized. he doesn't know what others have told mueller so he will be surprised by some of the questions. and he'll have to spontaneously answer. if he's in a grand jury, he can say time-out. i don't want to answer that question. i want to talk to my lawyer and get advice. knowing donald trump, will he do that? if i'm a lawyer, want control over my client. anything they do will be to attempt on get control over the situation. >> i'm sorry. go ahead. >> they may try and kind of narrow, or try to narrow the scope of the questions. for example, we won't ask about collusion but maybe we'll ask about obstruction. and it really all depends. and you are the legal experts here. i'm not. in talking to lawyers, it seems to me it also depends upon the content of what they want to ask

trump specifically about. if it is obstruction, it goes to his state of mind at the time that he fired comey. >> and that was my next question. and i'll ask it of jeff. if the president wants it to only be on the subject of collusion, and not any financial issues, that's obviously something i guess they could try to negotiate. but jeff, what is the timing of when this interview takes place? what does it tell but the status of the mueller investigation? because wouldn't mueller want to talk to the president toward the end of an investigation? after all the information has been collected? so, because the chance of calling the president back, i assume, would be limited. >> it would be remote in the extreme. it is true. i think you're right that the mueller team will want to interview trump toward the end. but remember, gloria's reporting says they have not yet started the final negotiations about when this interview will take

place. so we are not yet seeing officially the mueller office saying, this is it. we're ready to do it tomorrow. so remember, this is an investigation where they have a trial coming up in may. manafort and gates. and the white house, every time ty cobb speaks to the public, it is, we want a prompt resolution. he said thanksgiving, he said the end of the year. here we are, we have had no signal from the mueller office that they are wrapping up. we have a lot of hopeful comments from white house lawyers saying, we think they're wrapping up but that's not the same thing as an actual conclusion. >> remember, ultimately, mueller has the authority to not negotiate. he has the authority to simply send out a subpoena with no limitations no, compromises, asking about anything from obstruction, now, of course, the

president can file a lawsuit. but that may be delayed. but that flies in the face of the commitment by the lawyers that they want it done quickly. so i think mueller has the leverage advantage. but he doesn't want to seem like a bully. he doesn't want to seem like he's doing something that interferes with the operation of the president. >> i think the leverage the president has plenty of leverage here. look how much the republicans have been attack mueller. he could turn this into mueller overstating. demanding too much, you know, breaking promises. this will not be a one-sided political argument. and the president and his party are already lined up against mueller. the idea that this president is obligated to give in to mueller here, you know.

>> why doesn't mueller just say every american has an obligation to testify fully and completely in front of the grand jury. we won't treat the president any differently. we will send him a subpoena. he has to testify. his lawyer can be outside the room. that's the way we treat everybody. why isn't that a good answer? >> the reason is wave constitutional system where the president is the executive branch. and he has different -- he has different responsibilities and it is never been said, whether it was a civil case, clinton v. jones. he's in a unique place with regard to the constitutional system. and i don't see that the president will be intimidated by that. >> that's my argument. i've been making that argument for months. the president is in a unique place. the one thing i don't think he would ever do is entinterfere. >> we have to take a quick break. i want to hear from gloria when

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president trump was deposed many time over many years. his track record was uneven. so one of the things that is so fascinating, that was alluded to in the last discussion. that mueller is really holding all the cards in terms of information that the president doesn't know what mueller knows, doesn't know what the, all the e-mails that mueller has had access to. so for something like the trump tower meeting with donald trump jr., paul manafort and people who claim to be working for the russians, there may be a whole slew of e-mails that the president has no idea about. >> there is certainly more that the special counsel's team knows than the president and the white house know. but the white house knows more than we know. they have been in talks with the special counsel's office. for example, several months ago they had memos that they submitted trying to argue why

the president shouldn't be subject to an inquiry into obstruction. so they have behind the scenes been trying to weed down the investigation. the issues with almost to the interview are first, a format. as we discussed before the break, what will be the format of the interview. who will conduct it. who will be there with the president. those types of things. then the second goes to an issue that gloria mentioned before the break which is the substance. will the substance of the interviews, assuming they take place, only pertain to obstruction, only pertain to issues related to cooperation or if we want to call it, collusion with the russian government in terms of of the meddling in the election, or even an aspect might be going on that we know the least about, inquiries into trump organization financial issues. so those substantive issues would mean very different things

for the president if he was interviewed. >> had what's so interesting is the president is on record with "the new york times." financial issues going back years or decades, if it was a red line for him and he said it was a red line. so the idea of him being questioned about financial issues, banking issues. >> i think that would come as a shock to his attorneys who have said over and over again that they see no indication that that is what this special counsel is honing in on. we don't know. but the white house does have an idea, i believe, of what people inside trump world have testified to mueller. don't forget, ty cobb has been in the white house sort of producing all the documents that were sent over to the special counsel's office. he has been helping coordinate the interviews between people inside the white house like hope hicks, or white house counsel don mcgahn, or former chief of staff reince priebus. it would seem to me that he

would have gotten a read-out of what those people were testifying to the special counsel. so i think they have sort of a general knowledge of part of the body of work that the special counsel has that they know about. >> as we talked about during the break, this whole issue of the president's stability which has been raised by his critics, obviously, the people who believe he is not in some way stable would welcome this kind of an interview because of the very notion, if they believe he's not stable, that he might reveal something. >> i think that's right. they will look at everything he says and try to use that as proof of their -- i taught psychiatry in law for a quarter of a century. i wrote the standard case book and ed it it. the first rule you never diagnose someone that you

haven't examined. the only thing that's dangerous in politicizing criminal issues, it is what the soviets did, the apartheid did, the chinese regime. we should not go down that line of giving psychiatrists the power to use their political opposition to try to create a diagnosis. if you don't like president, vote against him. and believe me, they'll go through every line of testifying. somebody on your network earlier today said he has alzheimer's. you should check the statements he made now against what he said ten years ago. well, check the statements i make now from ten years ago. i was a little brighter then than i am today. that's what happens when you get old. the idea of trying to path on the justifies political issues is so dangerous. >> jeff? >> i thought carrie did a very good job talking about the different variables that could be in place, regarding trump's

testimony. i think there's one she left out that's very important. which is simply, how long the testimony will go. when george w. bush agreed to speak to the 9/11 commission, he gave them an hour. one hour. i think we all underestimate donald trump's ability to run out the clock. he could get one question and talk for 40 minutes. and it is very hard to interrupt him. you've interviewed him. you know how hard it is to interview him and he wasn't even the president of the united states then. i think the president is he in a lot better shape regarding this interview than perhaps others do here. i think the idea that he is going to be pinned down by an e-mail, when he doesn't use e-mail so it won't be his e-mail. people wrote about him. i just think he is a very experienced customer. he is president of the united states. it is very hard to tell a president to shut up when you don't, there is no judge in the

room. i think he is in better shape than we're giving him credit for. >> jeff tubin, gloria boringer, thank you. there's a new report on what appears to be the president's shrinking workday even though his spokesman said he is working tirelessly. the freshly obtained documents of his private schedule and what they say. to fetch a pail of water. all because of a burst water pipe in their house that ruined the hardwood floors in their kitchen. luckily the geico insurance agency had helped them with homeowners insurance and the inside of their house was repaired and floors replaced. jack and jill no longer have to fetch water. they now fetch sugar-free vanilla lattes with almond milk. call geico and see how affordable homeowners insurance can be.

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cable news. here's what he tweeted in july. the white house is functioning perfectly, focused on health care, tax cut reform and many other things. i have very little time for watching tv. the president tweets a lot in the morning. especially about what he is watching on cable news programs. sometimes within minutes of the segment in question. apparently that tweet wasn't enough for the president so back in november he told reporters, i don't get to watch much television. because of documents. i'm reading documents a lot. it is not exactly news that the president isn't doing exactly what he says, but the website axios got a look at the president's private schedule. every morning he has three-hour period called executive time. according to the documents axios has executive time is from 8:00 to 11:00 a.m. during executive time, you might think he would be in the oval office or elsewhere in the west wing doing executive stuff. instead, according to axios,

there is the last place you will finds him. saying that executive time nearly always means tv and twitter time alone in the residence. if that's true, he starts around 11:00 is that usually wraps up at 6:00 or earlier. by comparison, proemp was at the office between 9:00 is that 10:00. president bush was at the office at 6:45. for the record, this president's workday was longer at the beginning of his administration. it is a difficult job and he is entitled to do it any way he sees fit. it does seem rich to be tweeting that you koebdon't watch a lot television at the very moment you're watching television. and judging by all the morning tweets, you spend three hours every morning not reading documents or not only reading documents. it is like spending so many days at golf clubs after saying this -- >> i wouldn't leave the white house very much because, you

know, little things like these little trips. they cost you a fortune. >> i love working. i'm not a vacation guy. >> i don't take vacations. i'm not obama where he takes air force one to hawaii. >> i promise, i will not be taking long vacations if i take them at all. >> other people go away for weeks and weeks. i don't like taking vacations. >> obama likes relaxing and going on vacations. i like work. i really do. if i get elected president, i'm going to be in the white house a lot. i'm not leaving. we have deals to make. who wants to leave? >> today a spokesman thmd president works tirelessly for the american people. he said it aboard air force one, if you're would understandering where he was heading at that, he was on his way to give a speech and then to see the college national championship. so is this president a part time president?

so david, three hours for executive time for a very stable genius. allies might say what's the problem with that. he is allowed to make his own schedule. >> i would agree. he is allowed to make his own schedule. george w. bush came in at 6:45. barack obama between 9:00 and 10:00. whatever the work flow of the day works for him. i wouldn't begrudge that. it is the hypocrisy in what you can clearly line up. his tweets with what he's wooching television. just like he did when "the new york times" reported last month that he watches a ton of cable tv and then on air force one, he says i don't watch at all. it is blatant not true because you can match up his twitter feed to segments he watches on television. >> it is not like there isn't a history of presidents closely watching television. lb jmpbl watched reports on vietnam.

one could only imagine if there was 24-hour news on watergate. can't it be a product of the times some. >> i think you could argue partially a product of the times. these times were pretty similar when president obama was in the white house and there was no indication that he was as obsessive about cable news and about absorbing and consuming this kind of news as this president is. and let's be clear. a big reason that president trump is as obsessive about cable news is because cable news and all news, newspapers and broadcast news is all about him right now. so he wants to get a sense of what people are saying. his hope is to get affirmation. he gets that from watching another cable network mostly as opposed to getting facts at places like these.

the last time i covered a white house full time was george w. bush. the thing that people criticized him for baltimore he was out to lunchest didn't watch enough tv news, covering katrina. that he was accused of not really understanding the impact and the absolute horrors going on because he didn't turn on a television. that wasn't culturally what he liked to do. >> in past years, when presidents have taken vacation, their supporters have said, wherever the president goes, he can work and do business and there's secure areas for him to gather information and phone calls that can be made. so i guess that argument could also be made for this president. >> without a doubt. if he is up in the residence, there is nothing stopping him from directing what's going on downstairs in the west wing. i think that's true. i guess also, this shouldn't be terribly surprising. if anyone has been watching donald trump over the years of

his career in business, this is somebody who has been completely obsessed by his press coverage in ways that i have never seen with politicians. and they're pretty obsessed with their press coverage. taking out every article and writing personal notes and having his assistant fax that back or e-mail that back to a reporter, he had a very -- in his business career, an obsession with his press. >> to be fair, not just about his own press coverage, david, you're right, but just about news in general. if you look back at his twitter feed. that's the biggest window we have into what he's thinking and doing. back, way before he dded he would run for office. he commented on everything, on what was going on on world events, from what was going on with the kids from "twilight." this is something that he's always done. there was no reason to believe that he would change that even

especially when he became president. >> i had forgotten about the "twilight." >> i believe it was dating advice or something like that. >> exactly. >> another example of the presidency, not changing him but him changing the presidency. >> thanks very much. could the next presidential election come down to president trump versus oprah? two friends say she is actively thinking about it. details only ahead.

oprah winfrey's impassioned speech has brought on conversation about her running for president in 2020 against trump. friends are saying she is actively considering it. here's the moment when she got a standing ovation last night. >> i've interviewed people who has gone through the most difficult things. the one thing they share is the ability to maintain hope for a brighter morning. even during our darkest nights. so i want all the girls watching here now to know that a new day on the horizon! and when that new day finally

dawns, it will be because of a lot of magnificent women, many of whom are right here in this room tonight. and some pretty phenomenal men fighting hard to make sure that they become the leaders who take us to the time when nobody ever has to say me too again. >> her words were filling the talk of twitter and led to the trending #oprah 2020. this afternoon the white house responded to the speculation. a spokesperson said we welcome the challenge. whether it be oprah winfrey or anybody else. oprah winfrey has been asked about a potential run for the white house several times since the 2016 election. with a look at that, here's randi kaye. >> oprah winfrey just weeks

after donald trump won the white house signaling she may be open to running in 2020. >> i never considered the question even a possibility. i just thought, over. over. >> right, it's clear you don't need government experience. >> right. i thought i don't have the experience. i don't know enough. now i'm thinking, oh. >> the more that idea, open for president gained traction, the more oprah pushed back. on cbs this morning -- >> you can be safe with that. there will be no run go for office of any kind for me. >> on the late show with stephen colbert after oprah shot down the idea of michelle obama running for president. all eyes were on her. >> is there any other charismatic african-american woman -- [ cheers and applause ] >> never! >> oprah again trying to end the speculation during an interview

with entertainment tonight. >> that's just not going to happen. that would not be my strength. my strength is bringing people together. my strength is connecting people to ideas. >> even during campaign 2016, there was already talk of oprah at the top of the ticket in 2020. after she did a segment on 60 minutes, talking on michigan voters, an opinion piece in the new york post read, she is uniquely positioned. should she wish to commit herself to seek the democratic nomination for president and challenge trump in 2020. oprah tweeted back, a response only added to the speculation. thanks for your vote of confidence. democrats' best home for 2020. that nearly 20 years after donald trump told larry king, he would likely choose oprah as his vice president if he ever were to run. >> do you have a vice presidential candidate in mind? >> well, i really haven't gotten quite there yet. oprah. i love ohm. she would always be my first

choice. if she would do it, she would be fantastic. she's popular, brilliant, she's a wonderful woman. if she would ever do it. i don't know that she would ever do it. >> meanwhile after her mega speech at the golden globes, her long time partner steazedded stn said it is up to the people. she would absolutely do it. and the ladies of the view hashing it out. >> this is donald trump's worst nightmare. she will have hire ratings than he will. believe me. she's had higher ratings. she can throw that in his face every sent day. >> i love oprah. i love what she's done. i always call her the oracle instead of oprah. don't we have someone in the white house with no political experience? it's not going that well. >> oprah 2020. it may have a nice ring to some. for now, it is all just talk. cnn, new york. >> joining me for their take on

this, political commentator van jones. so based on your reporting, how serious is this? to have that powerful speech last night and all the speculation is one thing. actually putting together a campaign and taking that step. that's a huge step. >> she hand crafted the speech, the topic was the me too movement. but there were lines in the speech that could come straight from a stump speech. i think the answer to your question, is it oprah's doing, she is doing a lot of listening. she has high powered friends who are urging her. she's not saying she's in but she's definitely not ruling it out either. she is taking a wait and see approach just like lots of potential democratic candidates in 2020. one source said, she is soaking it all in. listening to all the ideas and thinking about what to do. >> van, as you consider this possibility, what do you see?

obviously, people would have said donald trump would never be president and he's president. >> well, the question is, does she want to be demoted from queen of the universe to president of the united states? that's the only question. if she wants to do it, she can do it. she is probably the most beloved human being on earth. she is probably the most beloved carbon based life form on earth. if she runs, she will destroy anybody in front of her. the question is, does she want to do it? i've talked to a lot of people close to her, around her, there is basically bedlam in oprah land right now. people begging her, please run, please run. she's given no indication she's moved off her position that she doesn't want to do it. i will say that speech last night was extraordinary. that speech, she did nine minutes what obama doan in 17 minutes in 2004. she told her story. she told the american story in a way that just was electrifying.

if she decides to do this, it is going to be one of the most extraordinary runs in american history. >> the world of politics, know, it is a dirty business in a lot of ways. to your point, it is a step down for her. but to actually enter the fray, things change quickly. you get bruised and battered and muddied. >> here's the difference with oprah. she's already confessed to everything about her life. her life is an open book. the tough they know on oprah might be somebody saying, your life wasn't as bad as you say. or mistakes weren't as awful as you felt like they were. she is uniquely positioned herself to be able to take those blows and turn them into advantages for herself. listen. i'll say one more thing. part of what happened with hillary clinton was that she was not able to get white women to vote for her. the majority of white women voted against her and for donald

trump. i do not think that's a problem that oprah winfrey will have. i think she's have women, men, blacks, whites, la teetinolatin business people, i'll waiting, i'll watching, i've got my popcorn. >> if she runs corks she take out all the oxygen much like president trump did. if it was her and trump, the media coverage of both would -- i mean -- >> hard to imagine. >> i don't know if there are enough hours in the day. >> i think there would be grumbling from other candidates. a lot of the reasons why oprah is getting the calls is because the democratic field is weak. there's not an obvious, there are not a lot of the obvious candidates who have star power and charisma and have a real opportunity in 2020. i'm sure there are a lot of politicians who would disagree.

in oprah's world, there are a lot of people who are concerned about the weakness of the democratic field. that's why they're urging her to run. what she would bring is the ability to put on a show just like donald trump. she did it for decades in swhik the "oprah winfrey show." that's why so many white women love her and black women and many men as well. she appeals to a wide array of people in the country. she's not commenting. i want to say, she is be saying anything about this today. i checked in tonight. their just letting this trial balloon float up into the air today. >> in terms of actual positions that she takes on complex issues, a lot of that has not been fleshed out by her publicly. so that would be one step, that also might alienate some people. it is easy to say you love oprah. but then if she starts to take positions -- >> it is could not sea abevable. she could hold together a front

against hatred. i think a lot of people are concerned about the growing hatred and intolerance. she could hold against that. and second, the policies. >> thank you very much. president trump gave a speech in tennessee today before a feared up audience. ♪ let your inner light loose with one a day women's. ♪ a complete multivitamin specially formulated with key nutrients plus vitamin d for bone health support.

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. president trump did today what he seems to like doing best, recharged his batteries telling people what he wanted to hear. >> are you happy you voted for me? you are so lucky that i gave you that privilege. >> our gary tuchman was there as well the walking members of the president's audience. >> reporter: thousands of people lining up in the conference

center in nashville, tennessee, to see president trump in learn{caption period}. >> how do you feel he's doing so far? >> i would give him an a, or a plus. >> this is the national convention. american farm bureau federation. but the people going to watch the president speak with "are m big fans of his. >> i don't know. >> when he says, like, really smart, if you're really smart, do you need to tweet it and say that to everybody? >> i don't know but part time with higher intellect wul levels than me, they can speak above my level something almost everybody we talked to wants to defend dwufrp. >> are you a mother? ? >> yes, i am. >> do you think it would be good for them to be tweeting

something like? >> that i wouldn't want them to be brag docious. >> that's okay if you're president? >> well, not really, but. >> so you do or you don't think it's a good thing for him to do? >> i want him to be confident. you don't want him to appear brag docious but sometimes we need that and people who say they're going to do. >> if you are indeed a genius, do you need to tweet that? >> i probably wouldn't, but he's confident in what he's doing. >> reporter: many supporters of mr. trump believe he needs to tweet to get his message out, despite the fact that as president he can say what he wants, where he wants and how he wants. >> how does giving people names like sloppy, how does that help 322 million americans? >> doesn't bother me. i don't think it bothers the people of the united states. >> when he says he's an excellent stay tuned but we've

never seen his grades, do you think he's being too pompous? >> he's the president of the united states. what does it matter what his grades were. >> right, but he's the winning bringing it up that he was an excellent student and a stable genius and he's a very smart person. should he be talking like that? >> i think that's fine. it doesn't matter. he's the president. show some respect. >> regarding one other presidential issue freshly in the news, what if donald trump ran against oprah? would she get votes? >> no she lost touch with where she came from and she has a different agenda than americans. >> if she ran for president in 2020, do you know who you would vote for? >> i don't know because i would have to see what her platform is, what she would be wanting to do for the country. >> you would consider possibly

voting for her depending what happens? >> i could consider it, sure. >> reporter: anderson, president trump told the audience that he signed two presidential orders to improve ruler internet service and then launched into promoting his twitter brand. he told the audience to make sure you look into it and it's our way of gigabyetting around media. anderson? >> gary, thanks. a lot more ahead as ground work being laid for an interview with president trump by robert mueller. a lot to unpack. we'll be right back. patrick woke up with back pain.

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. something moconsequential ph president. cnn justice contour pamela brown joins us with the latest. what are you learning about a possible interview between the president and mueller? >> bottom line, anderson, sources say in anticipation of an interview request which is inevitable, the president's lawyers are discussing internally how