believe this. we have latent racism and sometimes overt. we're more generous people. after world war ii we restored the health of worst enemies, worked with them and welcomed to this country. i don't think we've lost that america. lot are going to rebel against what president is saying, want to go back to who we really were, a great people. good evening, the president of the united states is tired of so many black people coming to interest country, immigrants from haiti and africa being allowed in. quote, who i are we having all these people from shithole countries coming here. reported and not denied by president or people around him. tired of africans and haitians, went on to say would like more people from countries like

norway, population overwhelmingly of nordic descent, white people in other words. james baldwin, great writer and american said ignorance allied with power is -- to believe that haitians have not contributed great things to american society is ignorant. to claim all the countries of africa are shitholes is beyond ignorant but this is not anything new. three weeks ago "new york times" reported something else the president said about haitians in another meeting. reportedly said they quote all have aids and nigerians, quote, all live in huts. white house denied he said those things but not these things today, spoken in room withé bipartisan lawmakers. perhaps the president feels

comments will be well-received in some parts of the country and among the base. this is not racial, racially charged, this is racist. let's not kid ourselves, pretend or dance around it. sentiment president expressed today is racist sentiment. josh dawsey broke the story. spoke to him before air time. the racist comments by the president, can you explain how they came about? context? >> bipartisan meeting on immigration. in the meeting senate erdick durbin and lindsey graham, democrat and republican, outlined a plan to cut the number of immigrants who came as part of the visa lottery system but would still have a number of countries protected, tps status. after that the president seemed frustrated they wanted immigrants from african

countries, haiti, places that he deemed shithole countries in the meeting. president said he would prefer immigrants from norway and possibly other asian countries that he thinks are more beneficial to the united states and its economy. >> how did lawmakers and others in the room react? do you know? >> taken aback, president was salty during the exchange. several occasions cursing on both sides, president and lawmakers. comment that was pretty unexpected. haven't been able to hear from a lot of the republicans in the room, gotten reactions from them tonight. but democratic and some republican aids there was sense of wow, he really just said that. >> and "new york times" just weeks ago reported that president had previously described people from nigeria essentially as living in huts i believe is the term he used and said that all haitians have

aids. those comments were denied by the white house quickly. white house are not denying the president said this today. >> no. and to be clear, before we publish our story, called the white house and went over every single comment attributing to the president and everything we were going to say the president said, got no denial either. zero indication from the white house they disagree with our reporting here. >> statement that white house has put out essentially says the president wants people, immigrants to contribute to society. i guess the white house believing that people of african descent or haitian descent do not contribute as immigrants to this society which is just patently false. >> and you're seeing some of the president's supporters like this. i saw ann coulter tweet earlier, maybe the president was trying to win her back. she's been critical of his more liberal moves on immigration.

large portion of the country see comments as inappropriate and some deem them racist. but some of the president's supporters who want to cut down even on legal immigration -- one of the things we've seen from this president is not just cut illegal immigration but people who come here legally by 50%. plan to remove 200,000 salvadorans back to their country, not made a secret of the immigration agenda. i think if the white house wanted to push back on this they would. does not seem they want to deny the comments. >> josh, appreciate your time. thank you. >> thanks anderson. >> white house is trying to manage the situation. heard from the president himself about the comments? >> no and i think right now it's safe to say this white house is paralyzed, frozen in how to deal with this. sarah sanders told me there

won't be more comments from the white house this evening about what the president earlier today to group of lawmakers trying to talk about immigration issue. but report new information we have coming out of that meeting. person familiar with what went on in that meeting says that the president, when talking about the temporary protection status for haitians, that status being eliminated by trump administration. apparently senator durbin and others were discussing it, person familiar with the meeting tells us the president at this point said quote, why do we need more haitians? take them out. another fairly offensive comment from the president. very offensive comment coming from the president. we should point out just to underline what you were saying, president of the united states has a history of making racially charged offensive comments. we've put together a graphic. this goes back some time.

remember president trump is the person who repeated the lie that president obama was not born in the united states when he launched his campaign said some mexican immigrants are rapists. last august after the tragedy in charlottesville said there were very fine people among the white supremacists protesting there and today saying that haitians and africans come from shithole countries. time and again this is a problem area for the president, where he seems to harbor racist attitudes and apparently feeling more and more emboldened to say this. talked to source close to the white house earlier this evening, shocked that the president would say this among lawmakers because it would obviously get out. irony, sadly, colleague jeff zeleny is reporting that president heard about all of this coming out in the news when he was taping a message for martin luther king day, coming up monday. >> and day before the eighth

anniversary of the devastating haiti earthquake, more than 200,000 people killed or crushed to death. staffers at white house don't believe this is a big problem. possibly true? >> i think there's a feeling among some in the white house this may play well with the president's base. i think's a sad commentary about the base. think even people who are strong supporters of president trump would say tonight that these comments are extremely disappointing. i talked to somebody this evening saying these are just dumb, not racist comments coming from the president. but anderson as we were showing and you were outlining earlier, just seems to be a pattern here for this president. it's a disturbing pattern because it seems to come back to one truth here, that this president deep down may just be a racist. >> if you're saying you don't want more black people in this country coming from africa or

haiti but white people from norway, hard to see that as anything else but in racist terms. >> and last summer when we had that exchange with stephen miller in the briefing room about the statue of liberty, i asked him, soubds like you're trying to engineer the racial and ethnic flow into this country. at the time miller said i was ignorant to make that suggestion. but as josh dawsey was saying, this administration not made a secret of immigration policy. it's to restrict the flow of people of color coming into this country. and president made that clear today. >> central america, mexico, muslim countries, haiti, anyplace in africa. jim acosta, appreciate the reporting. also point out in stark contrast to what donald trump as candidate said trying to get

against this, tell him we will not allow to be divided by color, race, class, economic. we will not be quiet. donald trump this is not america. we will fight against your division, racism, anger, hatred and]é all the horrible things you're trying to do to this country. >> van jones? come as surprise to people? also just inaccurate. just numbers sometimes matter. 33% of americans have college degrees, god bless everybody, lot of hard work, now got student debt. 43% of african immigrants have college degrees. 11% of white people in america have a graduate degree. 25%á , nigerian americans have

a graduate degree. so what is he talking about? part of the thing is when you'rb relying on horrible stereotypes. by the way, mhia trump, first lady, i admire greatly, from of heurope. but she's welcome and nigerians are not. something wrong with the wayocw

>> didn't say that all haitians have aids. othat. >> when it's meeting of staff but bipartisan lawmakers meeting today can't deny it. such a big jump from all haitians have aids to it's a shithole? >> point is not for you or me or anyone else to put words in president's mouth. >> we don't need to, he's putting racist words in his oath mouth. >> he's not making racist comments. point of the meeting is president trump unlike democrats or republicans in the past is getting something done on dreamers. not getting credit for. >> talking about haitians and africans. >> having a meeting about dreamers. get to the section on overall comprehensive immigration reform. obama and bush couldn't get it done but trump is going to.

merit-based immigration. president is very clear he doesn't think should be carveouts from any country, norway, great britain, haiti, el salvador does he think should be special carveouts. >> what does that have to do with talking about s-hole. >> there are more people with merit from norway than haiti and africa, an enormous continent of many countries. >> plan still had carveouts for countries on the tps list, severely economically distressed places sending tens of thousands of people. >> africa. have you been to africa? do you know how about countries? does the president know? he likes to make up countries not in africa but actually incredibly developed and

well-off countries. in fact when the president was speaking to black african leaders talking about rich friends making money in africa. >> you're leaving a lot out. heard from acosta and previous, talking about countries doing better economically, norway, countries in asia. didn't name specific countries in asia. talking around the world. why specifically say carve-outs from countries economically distressed. so willing to generalize as all asians as working hard and deserve the merit of coming here but all africans not. how is that not race? >> he's making point should be individuals. >> so everybody in asia is hardworking and deserves to come here? >> that's not what he said. whole point is should be merit-based system like canada does it, points based system.

smart comprehensive idea. >> can we -- >> van i want you to respond to that. >> trying to make it sound like -- go ahead van. >> i give you a for effort but reality is you haven't addressed the issue that alarmed entire world. when you say s-hole countries, and then you say norway is welcome and these people are not. it's not a smart conversation about immigration policy. we can disagree and argue about skills based, tps, anything else, but not what was happening. hold on, you got your chance. what's happening is you have a president who has shown his heart to the country. in his heart people from african -- >> lack thereof. >> people from africa, almost a billion people live there, to him all s-hole people who live in s-hole places. that's wrong and you should

denounce it. you should, i know you very well. why won't you denounce that? >> everyone in the world -- >> why won't you denounce s-hole nation? >> everybody wants to come to the united states. why? great place. >> do you think africa is s-hole continent? >> we have to reform. >> maybe we do. talking man-to-man, person-to-person. ÷ s-hole continent? yes or no? >> there are s-hole places around the world. great effort to bait me. >> your president said it, not me. >> run out of ideas to trying to bait me. >> trying to have to conversation on immigration policy. >> bring in bakari sellers. jason is saying there's a lot of -- use the word the president is using. good enough for the president to

use it, american people should hear the words the president is using. idea that all countries in africa are shitholes is just willfully ignorant, moronic and shows that the president knows nothing. >> i have to give jason name of chiropractor to get into pretzel to defend this nonsense. why are re surprised? breaking news? this is the same man sued by department of justice, used to put a c on black people's applications for color. why surprised? sued by african-american and minority dealers in his casino. still not apologized for central park five. in south carolina we throw up hands, this is what we tried to tell you he is.

stokely carmichael said a white man with the power to lynch me, that's his problem. that's my problem. question of power, attitude. president of the united states is1.gñ racist because he has th views and has the power to subjugate people. this is not rocket science. not surprised at all. more surprised and this drives me up a wall. problem with the discussion we're having. people want to say oh, my god he's talking to economic anxiety voters and giving red meat to the base. the hell with all of that. sick and tired of good people in this country who support donald trump who won't call this what it is. we have an issue with race in this country that dates back beyond donald trump and obama and bushes but can't say that.

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large numbers of people based on where you're from, not who you are. talked about merit-based from the beginning. wants american to attract the best and brightest. >> not talking about countries but continent of africa. >> talking about merit-based system. norway is seventh highest educated country in the world. why not want more people from norway? not because of the color of their skin. >> and not more black people from africa, according to van college education is high from african immigrants. >> and president is talking about merit-based system. >> this is crazy. >> insane. >> fact we're having this conversation with educated people on national tv is insane because you don't understand the fundamental values of diversity.

you don't understand that people who come from different parts of the world to the greatest country in the world bring various tools. they have different value. and yes if you can't rebuke the comments by the president of the united states, if this was merit-based system based on intellect, i'm going to sign up to deport donald trump. listen to this, people from nigeria, liberia, cameroon, south africa, tanzania, they bring value to this country. poor immigrants from ireland come to this country, not talking about them. poor immigrants from white countries, no one talking about them. but someone wants to bring intellect or work with hands and bring value to united states of america and you say no because from -- the color of skin in. >> in many ways saying the same thing. america remain the place that

everybody wants to come and president wanting merit-based system. he's saying shouldn't be carve-outs for norway, u.k. >> any predominantly white or caucasian country the president has called a shithole? >> haven't had a conversation on every place in the world. >> to your knowledge, no predominantly white country -- we know he doesn't like muslim countries, central america, mexico, now it's entire continent of africa and haiti. can we name a country with majority caucasian country that the president doesn't want people from? >> he wants best and brightest and you're trying to make it about race. >> there's problems in norway, in sweden, idea he picks norway is -- van? >> spoke with the leader of norway. >> so last guy in the room on his mind?

>> also said asia. >> can't have it both ways. >> you're asking for it. happened to see him yesterday. >> let me say a few things. >> he said asia, generalized entire asian population as good people to have in this country as well. again that's racist. van. >> higher level psychologist. >> -- >> van. >> i have the floor. here's what i want to point out. whenever they try to defend trump. have an honest conversation. they don't talk about what trump said. they say we only care about individuals and merit and all this great stuff, which nobody can argue with. unfortunately that's not what the president said. so yes, listen, we can argue about diversity visas -- >> that's what the meeting is about. >> i'm talking. we can talk about diversity visas which bakari and i are for

is better than skills based, et cetera. rationale conversation people can have. word shithole would never come up in that conversation. fact we're here for almost an hour and no one from the administration has come on to say no one should call a country or continent a shithole. tells you about the character of the trump movement at this point. >> i have to take another break. be right back. he superior non-stick you love. new pam spray pump.

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referred to african nations and haiti as shithole countries while talking about immigration. haitian-american says the president should apologize. behavior unacceptable from leader of the nation. parrot parents came from one of those countries, took an oath of allegiance to aand all the responsibilities being a citizen comes with. white house were quick three weeks ago to say this white house staffed meeting, say quickly the president didn't say that all haitians have aids and nigerians live in huts. those statements ring more true based on what he said today and amazingly the white house is not denying it today. >> you can't deny it when you have dick durbin and lindsey graham and mario diaz bell art who heard it. he represents south florida.

can't deny it with people of that caliber who heard it. shamelessly racist. not saying in dark of night or saying in his head. reason he doesn't like visa lottery? that's how africans come here and tps, it covers haitians and salvadorans. what they have in common in completely different parts of the world, different continents, they're black. donald trump has shown us his dark heart, his racism. i'm as desperate as anyone for there to be a daca deal, a deal on dreamers. but we can't normalize the fact that donald trump has turned the oval office in a -- morally bankrupt place.

can't be normalized by republicans. applaud the people in republican party who are refusing to look the other way and normalize this appalling behavior by this man who today occupies the white house. and just tell you this, i'm probably a few miles away from little haiti. i assure you, goes tomorrow to the country club owned by donald trump, going to find a lot of people from -- countries working for minimum wage for him. something they should do. >> people from haiti among the second biggest group of people brought in to work an mar-a-largo. >> of course they are. >> i'll have to confirm that. mark are you proud of the president's statements today? >> i stand with the president in terms that we need to reform immigration. >> but are you proud of the statements, standing by them? >> i was not in those meetings.

can't attest to the veracity of them. >> white house is attesting the veracity by not denying them. assuming they're correct, are you proud of the statements? simple question. >> i choose to view this the way it was intended, talking about broader immigration system. >> don't understand what that means, ask one more time and then let it go, clearly don't want to answer. you're not willing to say you're proud of president calling africa shithole and haiti the same. >> i'm not going to get into specific comments. >> why not? he's president of the united states and that's what we're talking about. you can make up other statements you wish he made but these he made. don't want to make a comment about the actual statements? >> in context of what he was talking about, immigration discussion, talking about temporary protective status, in the context of that discussion,

talking about broader -- >> so you're not proud -- asked you six times. clearly not going to answer. if people are going to stand by it, should stand by it, not pretend he said something else. >> can you imagine if president obama had said i don't want anybody from european countries, i want people from africa, what would the reaction from right wing and conservatives have been? complete bedlam, reason for that. it's dumb thing to say, would have been racist to say and there's no way to square that circle. my concern is not with donald trump. he shows his heart over and over again. i'm concerned that we have -- i'm proud that nia love came forward. every republican -- republican party, i hate to say this, republican party is the party of lincoln, founded to be a radical antislavery party sticking up for dignity of every individual

human, what the republican party is supposed to be. how can it be hard for republicans to sit on this show and say anything other than he should never have said that. we can disagree about policy. >> shouldn't be hard. >> if a klansman in white hood mumbled this under his hood burning a cross. africa is a shithole, haitians have aid, should get out, don't want any more here, plenty republicans would say that's outrageous, disgusting that person said that. skin -- shaved head marching in charlottesville with tiki torch, repugnant. if the most powerful person in the planet in the white house with cuff links and nice suit on -- i guess it surprises me more republicans aren't having a problem with it. >> that's because racists --

with all due respect, racists don't wear hoods anymore, brooks brothers sults and oftentimes get their tv show. not anything new to those of us trying to shatter racism. but i guess it's new and sensationalized because leader of the free world said it. timing is difficult for me. 50 years since 1968. 1968 had the massical, assassination of robert f. kennedy and dr. martin luther king. we celebrate his birthday on monday so want everybody in sound of my voice to understand any words coming out of the president of the united states's mouth talking about martin luther king day, unity and love is bold-faced lie. know what he says behind closed doors. six months before dr. king was assassinated, having trouble

with his own dream, people frustrated because dream of this country shipwrecked off the coast of vietnam. having trouble getting people to believe in the dream at mountaintop. we're frustrated because we believe this dream doesn't exist for people of color and the president showed us that. >> we have to take a break. up next, more on the comments today at the white house. no artificial preservatives in any of the food we sell. we believe in real food. whole foods market. when you have a cold, stuff happens. ♪ { sneezing ] shut down cold symptoms fast [ coughing ] with maximum strength alka seltzer plus liquid gels.

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we're going have more on the president's racist comments today at white house. and more on haiti. another surprising moment at white house today. stop me if you've heard that before. dustup over contradictory tweets. house set to vote on fisa, extension of section 702, which allows intelligence community to monitor foreign communication. president took issue writing house votes on controversial fisa act today. this is the act that may have been used with the help of the discredited and phony dossier to so badly surveil and abuse the

trump campaign. confusion. then tweet in support of the reauthorization. for almost two hours no one could figure out where the white house stood, until back on twitter to reverse course with this tweet. with that being said, i have personally directed the fix to the unmasking process. we need it. get smart. vote took place, passed this afternoon. asked about the confusion and contradictory tweets president secretary sarah sanders insisted of course there was no confusion. >> we don't see conflict. we weren't confused. some of you guys were. president has been clear about his position, i'm not sure of the confusion there. >> no confusion at all. must be us. james clapper, thanks for being with us. wondering how you interpret the

president's tweets on fisa, there is not knowing the low and b, conflating with personal grudges against the intelligence community. >> i don't know about that, but disturbing to use one of the president's favorite tweet adjectives, it's sad that apparently he didn't understand exactly what section 702 is all about, designed to govern the collection on non-u.s. persons overseas. i guess it gets to his absurd allegation about surveilling trump tower. 702 had nothing to do with that. similarly conflating that with the dossier, to be clear, is not an intelligence product or document. so -- apparently this stemmed from watching "fox and friends,"

that's the first line of his first tweet, came from a scroll from fox news. so i just hope nobody on "fox and friends" tells him go bomb north korea. >> you would think the president would have people who could easily brief him on what is actually happening on capitol hill, wouldn't have to glean the information from the -- you know, well-informed folks on "fox and friends." >> it is and he does have very competent people around him in the white house that do understand what 702 is and how important it is. it is absolutely vital for the safety and security of this country. it contributes thousands of intelligence -- generates thousands of intelligence reports every year and is one of the primary sources of information if not the primary source of information for items that go into his own president's daily brief.

>> ask for your reaction on the president's comments about immigrants from africa and haiti, what he calls shithole countries. you served in military, civilian side of the government. what do you >> well, having -- as you alluded, having served this country in one capacity or another for 50 plus years, i was appalled, embarrassed. i'm out of adjectives that haven't been used. it's vulger, it's racist, it doesn't befit the office. i can already imagine the international reaction that's generating. it's very, very disappointing. >> i mean, to -- first of all, to talk about africa as if it's one country and all the same. is just moronic on a level -- for anyone that's spent time

there, let alone anyone who's read a map. it seems the president paints with a broadbrush, is linking haiti and africa, the commonality being the color of the skin of the people on the continent. >> i lived in africa as a child and now part of ethiopia. there's countries with a broad diversity and there are many people of african descent who have come to this country and made huge contributions. to make a blanket accusation like that. and i get it on what the academic discussions about policy discussions about immigration reform, but there's this no tap dancing around what he did.

and what he said, it's terrible. >> director clapper, i appreciate your time. >> up next, we're going to have to hear from the writer of the art of the deal. what tony schwartz has to say before the president's racist comments today.

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tonight's breaking news, the president of the united states asks why are we having all these people from shithole countries coming here, including haiti and the continent of africa. i asked him if the comment was racist. >> yes, racist hateful. and in some way, reflective of

the narrowness of the world to which he gives any value. if you aren't like me, he says effectively and believes deep in his heart, if you're not rich and white and male, you're not worth anything. and that's a moment of great candor on his part when he says what he did teed. and the notion what we have to parse whether or not it's actually he did say it, he said it just like that. he said that phrase or it's equivalent hundreds of times. and the idea that we have a president who sees the world not only through a self-centered lens, but through a lens that is so hateful to so many groups it's just extraordinary. >> before we go tonight, i want to take a moment to talk about haiti, a place that the president referred to as a

shithole company. i was taught math in high school to a haitian. he returned to haiti and was assassinated. in 2010, my team from cnn was the first international team of journalists on the ground after the earthquake struck. i spent more than a month there and returns many times on assignment. haiti is a collection of people, rich and poor, well educated and not, good and bad many i've never met a haitian that isn't strong. you have to be to survive where opportunities are few. and mother nature has punished anyone far more than anyone should be published. the people of haiti have been through more, they've been through more, they've with stood more, fought back against more injustice than our president ever has. tomorrow marks exactly eight years since the earthquake struck haiti, a 7.1 magnitude

earthquake killed between 220,000 and 300,000 people. the actual numbers will never be known. they were buried in unmarked pits. 1 1/2 million people were displaced. for days and weeks without help from their own government or police, the people of haiti dug flew rubble with their bare and bloodied hands to save complete strangers. guided only by the cries of the wounded and dying. they had no heavy equipment, they just had their god given strength and determination and courage. i was there when a 5-year-old boy was rescued after being buried for more than seven days. do you know what strength it takes to survive on rainwater buried under concrete, a 5-year-old boy buried for seven days. haitians slap your hand hard when they shake it, they look you in the eye. they have a dignity.

it's a dignity many in this white house could learn from. it's a dignity the president with all his money and all his power as well. on the anniversary of the earthquake, when this president has said what he's said about haitians, we hope the people in haiti who are listening tonight, we hope they know that our thoughts are with them and that our love is with them as well. thanks very much for watching 360, time to hand it over to chris cuomo for "cuomo prime time." >> well said and an important message especially tonight. president trump reveals where his head and heart are when it comes to immigrants. there are other stories breaking out of the white house. let's see what senator bernie sanders has to say about it all. are you ready to get after is it? i'm chris cuomo welcome to "prime time."