a filtered new day starts now. john and alley son. -- alison. we cannot normalize that donald trump has turned the oval office into a shut hole. >> they are talking about mayor tore kwrous immigration. >> this is a dangerous place for the republican party to be. >> they do nothing to increase the prosperity of the american worker. >> i am sick and tired of the good people who support donald trump who will not stand up and call this for what it is. >> it's in conceivable that the president is publicly saying he has a good relationship with kim jong-un. >> these are his own words unprovoked. >> i'd be very surprised if, in fact, he has. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota.

>> we welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. it is is friday, january 12th. 6:00 in new york. chris is off. john berman joins me. >> unfiltered, unrated version of me today. >> sending shock waves around the world. in a meeting with a handful of senators, president trump slammed immigrants from blank hole countries referring to africa, haiti, el salvador. he then suggested we should bring in more people from countries like norway. >> nothing from republican leaders. silence. deafening silence from paul ryan and mitch mcconnell. so what are you going to do about this, gentlemen? is this just another case where you will shrug your shoulders

and chuckle and say, you know, sometimes the president says wacky things. this is not a wacky thing. it's a racist thing. maybe the response lies in the white house itself. they're proud of them. they tell cnn they think the word will resonate with the president's base. among those words, shut hole countries. among the sentiments, he would rather have folks from norway. this is how the president's hometown peril is covering this. this is the cover of the new york daily news. let that sink in for just a second. let's begin your coverage this morning at the white house. joe johns is there. good morning, joe >> reporter: good morning, john. the significance of this is that the white house is counting on the president's base to embrace the racist remark, confident that they will. but through the threw the talks.

it would have created more protections from predominantly black and hispanic countries. president trump deriding immigrants from haiti and some nations in africa, asking the group of lawmakers, why are we having all of these people from shithole countries come here, before saying we should accept people from norway. a frustrated mr. trump then went further saying why do we need more haitians? take them out. the white house not denying the racially charged remarks, insisting mr. trump is fighting for permanent solutions that make our country stronger by welcoming those who can contribute to our society, grow our economy and assimilate into our great nation. a white house official downplaying it saying the president's comments will resonate with trump's base just like his attacks on nfl players

kneeling for the national anthem. >> get that son of a pitch off the field. >> reporter: it comes after mr. trump made similar comments at a different oval office last summer, claiming all haitians have aids. and once nigerians see the u.s., they will never go back to their huts. on the campaign trail, he had a starkly different message for haitians in miami when he was courting their vote. >> i will be your champion. >> reporter: the president's shithole comment a pattern of racially charged remarks. >> i would like to have him show his birth certificate. >> they're bringing drugs. they're bringing crime. they're rapists. >> you also had people they were very fine on both sides. >> reporter: he is still insisting he's not a racist. >> i am the least racist person that you have ever met. i am the least racist person.

>> reporter: on capitol hill, bipartisan condemnation. >> attacking people based on their race, where they come from, their gender is just is unacceptable. and i think the white house is facing a moral freefall. >> nia love, whose parents are from haiti demanding an apology asserting the comments are divisive, elitist and fly in the face of our nation's values. the only african-american republican senator tim scott calling the remarks disappointing. but the majority of gop leadership keeping quiet. now, the timing of this couldn't be more extraordinary. today is the eight-year anniversary of the earthquake that killed 200,000 people on the island nation of haiti. today, ironically, the president is expected to sign a proclamation honoring the martin luther king holiday. he was recording a preplanned video about dr. king when the

story broke about his remarks. alisyn and chris, back to you. >> okay, joe. thank you very much. we have cnn political analyst john avlon and political commentator errol lewis. guys, here we are. i don't want to normalize it. i don't think on morning tv, kids are watching, i don't think we should say it. john thinks differently. >> the president said it. >> i'll say it. >> i personally have a discomfort with this. presidents course coarse language. >> nixon used coarse language. >> and so did bill clinton. >> shithole in and of itself, i'm sorry, isn't what's offensive here. >> there it is is. >> it is -- adding norway is the distinction between the two that makes crystal a clear what's going on.

>> by the way, the senators in the room were so offended that they obviously leaked it. somehow we know about it. >> and the white house didn't even bother to deny it. it happens going into martin luther king's birthday. and hamilton. this reminds us how unamerican the comments are at the core. >> the senators who were shocked and offended but not enough to open their mumbling mouths at the moment of truth. >> right. >> or to come forward and stand in front of a camera and say i disassociate myself from that racist felt. the people who have no courage and can't do that, they should be where we focus our attention. the president is a lost cause as far as i'm concerned. we have an unbroken history. go all the way back to housing discrimination, birtherism, central park five, his history. >> you say it is arrive with

racism. >> he told us over and over who he is, what he thinks and the vulgarity and obscenity he has brought to the oval office. he is who he is. the question is what are the rest of us going to do. it starts with the senators who are in the room. if you're an elected senator, there are millions in many cases of people who elected you. if the president is going to go on a racist rampage, surely you can open your mouth and say maybe i don't need to be in this meeting or i disassociate myself from this. >> tim scott said it was disappointi disappointing. nia love went further, congresswoman from utah. obviously her family is immigran immigrants. the president's comments are unkind, divisive, elitist and fly on the face of our nation's values. the president must apologize to the american people and the nations he so wantonly.

>> don't hold your breath, congresswoman. >> what are the leaders you say eloquently say, errol? what are they going to do about it? are they going to shrug and walk on by? we heard the president say i'm the least racist person in the world. he says a lot of things that the most racist person in the world would say. let's listen to what he said. >> i would like to have him show his birth certificate. and can i be honest with you? i hope he can. >> they're bringing drugs. they're bringing crime. they're rapists. >> we're building a wall. he's mexican. we're building a wall between here and mexico. the answer is he has given us very unfair rulings. >> if you look at his wife, she was standing there. maybe she is wasn't allowed to have anything to say. you tell me. >> you had some very bad people in that group. but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. >> although we have a

representative in congress who they say was here a long time ago, they call her pocahontas. >> so people from hatiti come from shithole countries. least racist you person in the world. >> look, this person represents the party of lincoln. that legacy is unfortunately gone. it's in the history books. he's head of the party, and the party has not consistently had the party to stand up and condemn him. one of the worst downstream effects is this. surrogates acting like complete hacks trying to rationalize it. and the white house itself saying as joe johns said at the top of the show believes the base will embrace his remarks. that's incredibly ugly when

you're trying to come up with a strategic excuse why they should not be used. >> and wrong. the country is not filled with the kind of racists that the white house thinks are going to see them through this particular storm. >> that's such a great point. when people paint with broad brush strokes of trump supporters, that is completely wrong. >> i agree. >> i don't know anyone who would support this kind of language, who sees the world in this narrow minded way. only norwegians. we only want norwegian immigrants who are blonde and blue eyed. >> i don't think they're knocking on your door to come into this country either. >> the immigration act was about racial puritiy. we use language about means testing and merit. the curtain got pulled back a little bit. the root of a lot of policies

are actually about race. and that is an ugly undercurrent in american history. one point it was used against my grandparents who are immigrants and now have a whole different global resonance. it goes to the heart of the policies, not just the presidential run. >> what does this do to the immigration discussion right now? do the same senators march into the oval office later today and say, hey, we have a new plan here, guy who wants people from norway. >> it looked as if they were getting some kind of a deal. it was going to be controversial, as any deal on this would have to be. i think they lose all the democrats now. i don't think chuck schumer from new york, nancy pelosi, any of these folks will have any bit on of wiggle room once they hear from the black caucus, their pro immigrant base in these big cities. they're not going to let them sort of look the other way and just kind of go past this. let's keep in mind, there was real brinksmanship. we don't know if the government

would be open a couple of weeks from now in part because it was already a delicate balancing act. when you throw a toxic racial bile into the middle of all of this the way the president did, it makes it that much harder. >> the morning begins with chaos because of a tweet and causes the chief of staff to go up to capitol hill to calm it because the president took notes from fox and friends instead of his own staff. and a deal on daca. the senate working like it should. compromise where both sides are giving. it looks like we're going to give it forward and then the president blows it up with these comments. it is impossible to see how we can come back from that even though it is for the good of the country. and a government shutdown looming for next friday. >> okay. we have a lot more to talk about with you both if you will stick around. the president's comments only part of the chaotic 24 hours for the white house, as

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in addition to being a discouraging 24 hours in washington, it has been flat-out chaotic 24 hours. the president's racist remarks about immigrants overshadowing a flat-out bizarre interview he gave to the wall street journal. in it the president touts a very good relationship with the north korean dictator, a man he has repeatedly attacked. mike bender and david sanger, reporterer for the "new york times". michael bender, first to you. this was out of nowhere. all of a sudden the president says he has a great relationship with kim jong-un in a question about whether he has talked to the north korean dictator. what on earth is going on here? >> we had an interview yesterday about 45 minutes.

we went around the world with him on topics, hitting a bunch of different issues. in a section on foreign policy, he was referring to all the relationships he has with foreign leaders. his outreach to xi and china is well-known. he mentioned his good relationship with president abe. and he put in there you might say he has a good relationship with kim jong-un. they are his words. they were not prompted by us. and as you can imagine, we were quite taken aback by that. if -- say what you will about president trump. he can read a room. we asked if he had in fact, talked to kim jong-un which would be shocking. there have been no diplomatic channels between the two countries for quite some time. and he wouldn't say yes or no. he didn't want to answer.

we reminded him of his combative tweets about kim jong-un over the years, at which he acknowledged those and sort of framed them as a broader strategy in his outreach. he pointed out you can point 20 or 30 people he has done that to on twitter. >> david, is this reminiscent of the president, before he was president, when he was candidate trump said he was close to vladimir putin, who he had not met. on so watch this. >> as far as syria, i like. if putin wants to go in, and i got to know him very well because we were both on "60 minutes". we were stable mates. we did very well that night. >> that was a taped program. he was suggesting they had met as though there was a greenroom. that didn't happen. so what is this? >> well, i was confused as mike

was in the oval office. i had a couple of theories. one is that he actually meant to say president moon of south korea but had kim jong-un on his mind. i don't know if that is right. i doubt there has been communication between the president and president kim. but, you know, in a day i guess we could refer to as lacking message discipline, right, if you start with fisa and end with haiti, this one in the middle was truly absent message discipline. what is really critical in dealing with the north koreans is repeating every time what the conditions are under which the united states would engage in a conversation with the north on.

so far we have ranged from the president saying during the campaign that he happily would sit down and have a hamburger with kim jong-un to telling his secretary of state to give it up because kim only understood force to the secretary saying they would only talk when they were ready to give up their nuclear weapons and missiles, which is the objective you're trying to reach here, and back to this with no conditions built around it. if indeed he is trying to confuse kim jong-un, he has succeeded and left us confused. >> i have to say, let me tell you the first thing that crossed my mind. in the same week when he didn't know what his own immigration policy was and had to be told by kevin mccarthy, he didn't know what his own fisa policy was and had to be told by paul ryan, i'm beginning to wonder whether he knew if he had spoken to kim

jong-un. the way it was reported was deeply confusing. or maybe, as david sanger said, he didn't know who he was talking about or he meant to talk about president moon. the tenor, did he meander on other subjects in. >> no. i wouldn't say he meandered. yesterday wasn't all that different from any other enter is views we have done with him. we had a range of subject we wanted to get to. we were pretty adamant about keeping it moving. he does dip back into his talking points. i didn't think he was necessarily confused on this answer. some of the context was about china, china helping put pressure on north korea and its nuclear weapons program.

we did make a point this was going to be the headline and there would be additional questions whether or not he has talked to kim jong-un. he definitely has a way of speaking. when he mentioned his phone call, he very adamantly said kim jong-un. very deliberately like that. i think he was clearly trying to send a message. at the very least, as dave was alluding to there, is signaling an open onness to diplomacy that we haven't seen for him on this subject for quite a while. so whether or not he's talked to kim, i think the broader takeaway is at least for the moment right now that trump is more interested in peace than -- some sort of peaceful solution than total annihilation of the country, which has been an option for him. >> that's a good outcome to

hear. let's talk about the confusion he also triggered by not knowing the difference between the fisa court and the fisa act that was going to be voted on. let me read what happened. in the morning 7:33 the president first tweeted house votes on controversial fisa act. this is the act that may have been used with a phony dossier to so badly surveil and abuse the trump campaign by the previous administration and others. and then his staff and i guess paul ryan got to him and explained this distinction. he then tweeted, with that -- at 9:14 but he continued the conversation with that being said, i have personally directed the fix to the unmasking process suns taking office and today's vote is about foreign surveillance of foreign bad news on foreign land. we need it stpwhrfplg! get smart! the president doesn't have a

handle, a lot of people thought, on his own policy. >> this one, on the one hand, should be completely surprising and not surprising at all. the accusation he made about surveillance on the campaign has had no substance that we have seen so far. there may have been some incidental collection the fbi and others referred to it if they were watching foreigners. and then americans, americans connected to his campaign, talked to him. that is in fact, what happened to mike flynn, former national security adviser who he engaged with a russian ambassador and they were picked up because it was being listened to and flynn happened to call into it. what's at the core here, though, is a fundamental misunderstanding, it seems, of

what this particular act they were renewing was all about, which is about, in fact, listening to foreigners on foreign land. the discipline station has spent the last few months trying to stress that point to americans, to democrats, to get them on board to renew this. the only one they forgot in the briefings is the president himself. >> a misunderstanding of the most important issue of the day following the day before on immigration where he had a misunderstanding of what was the most important issues. >> he is getting his information from fox and friends. we know this. this is what the president tunes into in the morning. fox and friends has its strengths. they are not foreign policy experts. that is where the confusion started. we will talk about this, gentlemen. thank you both for sharing your reporting with us. a quick programming note to tell everybody about.

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the president's disparaging and racist remarks against immigrants from what he calls shithole countries is sending shock waves throughout the world. we have reaction from kenya. what are you hearing, farai? >> reporter: we are hearing much of what you're hearing, shock and disbelief. just in september, president trump held a luncheon on the edges of the general assembly. he expressed his desire in the

economic field. for this to come out that what he really thinks about afternoon an countries is a shithole place. and already the star and the newspaper has gone ahead with a cartoon which shows africa in the president's mind made up of various locations, variously described at shithole. the bloggers have been out. of course they're not confining those to the borders of africa. >> farai, thank you very much for that. so this is not the first time donald trump has made rationally charged comments. here you go. >> i would like to have him show his birth certificate. and can i be honest with you? i hope he can. >> they're bringing drugs. they're bringing crime. they're rapists. >> we're building a wall. he's a mexican. we're building a wall between here and mexico.

the answer is he is giving us very unfair rulings. >> if you look at his wife, she was standing there. she had nothing to say. maybe she wasn't allowed to have anything to say. you tell me. >> but you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. >> although we have our relationship in congress who they say was here a long time ago, they call her pocahontas. >> so today the question being asked, is president trump a racist? joining us now is cnn commentator, charles blow. you're laughing at the question itself. >> it's really hard to even know where to begin with this sort of thing. because we are in a basic place. there are very few issues you could find where trump hasn't been all over the place, political issues. this particular issue of hostility toward people who are

black and brown is one thing he has been consistent with his entire life. that means this is really who he is. you if you think it is not who he is, you should look for some place where he apologized, repented, asked for absolution. he has not. in fact, he doubles down on it. >> it's interesting. sometimes, charles, he says the right thing when he is reading from a script. haitians, i will be your champion. you will never have a better champion than i. so you can find in the record him occasionally saying the right thing. but it's not -- it doesn't sound as yes or no inas it does when he speaks off the cuff. >> i can read anything, right? but it is -- when you are talking, i want to know what you believe. and the pressure on the presidency, you're under a microscopy. it reveals who you actually are.

there is no place for you to hide. everything you say is being scrutinized. so eventually you will be revealed. i think the bigger question we have to ask are really the real test now is to move away from just looking at him to looking at all the people who are defending and supporting him. >> or being silent. >> or being silent. you cannot constantly, you know, come out in the moment and say, oh, he said a horrible thing, i denounce it. and then go to the white house when you pass that -- and say he is the best person ever, best president ever, and he's leading us in the right way. there is no space in there for you to do that. and that means you are basically participating in the bigotry. you are part of it.

i think people have the misconception you can take the policies and the poison. you cannot. >> the policies are so important. the policies are what their voters voted for and want them to represent in washington. they will try to put this in a box and compartmentalize the stuff he is saying bus the policies are worth it. why isn't that a good stphoeupbt. >> there is no difference between what i believe, what i say, and what i do, right? there is no way to separate what trump believes on a basic level from what he wants to do. that meeting in which he said this was a meeting about policy. there is no way to separate the racism coming out of his mouth with the intention of the policy. i get it. ive get the desire to say i've been a lifelong republican.

this is a republican president. i would like to be able to agree with the republican principles. >> well, it's that, but it is also we want tax reform. guess what, we're getting it. we want immigration. we've always wanted it. maybe we're going to be able to manage this so we get it. it's those things. >> right. but i submit that imbedded in the language even apart from trump has a racially skewed sensibility to it. >> there is another element which isn't people just saying we're going to accept it because we like other things. they are making the case that the base will accept it because they like it, because they agree with it. >> that's right. >> i want you to listen to the president's official cable network, fox, talking about this last night. >> if it's true, this is how the forgotten men and women in america talk at the bar. this is how trump relates to

people. if you're in wisconsin, and you think they are bringing in haiti people or people from niger, this is how some people talk. is it graceful, no. is it polite or delicate, no. is it a little bit offensive, of course it is is. this doesn't move the needle at all. he doesn't care. he shoots from the hip. if he offends some people, fine. there's so many more offensive things that are happening in this world. >> charles? >> that's an indictment. that is an indictment of the trump base, right? they're basically saying this is racist and this is how we talk and this is perfectly okay. >> and if the president talks like a drunk racist at a bar, we got it. >> he's one of us. that is the extraordinary thing. on television, in writing, the newspapers, we need to understand these trump voters. i think i understand him. >> on no, charles, you don't. you can't say that's how they

feel. that is indicting him. that's not fair. that's not how they feel actually. i talk to them all the time. i never hear them say what the president said in the oval office. they don't say racist thing like that. >> the mistake you're thinking is the bias has to be articulated to be true. the moment you -- i know it before i go to that person. i know it before they call me with the poll. i'm still going to sayive support what he does. that means you have co-signed it. just because you do not articulate your biases does not mean you don't possess those. >> you can't paint with a broad brush stroke with how they feel. you can't put them into a basket of deplorables. >> i'm not hillary clinton and you're putting yourself in a basket of deplorables after he

says the things he has said, in his presidency, in his entire life, if you continue to say i approve of his behavior, these are all the questions they ask. i approve his behavior, his leadership. if you continue to say that, you are putting yourself in a basket of deplorables. >> fewer and fewer people are saying -- >> i'm just saying the ones who do, and that's what i'm considering the base, they say they approve that behavior, you are putting yourself into that basket. this is nothing new to me. i'm not doing that. i read the data. i read what he says. i listen to the people on fox news. they're doing that. it has nothing to do with me. >> jessie waters is definitely doing that for sure. >>. >> he shows he's okay with it. >> you heard him. that's fine. you know, there is no debating that.

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oh, yeah. we have a new picture just in from london right now. let's put that up. he behind that screen we saw -- there he is. that is president donald trump in london. it is is not the real president trump because he will not be going there. he has pulled out of a planned visit to london right now. london's mayor is firing back at the president for canceling his visit to the uk next month. the president was supposed to cut the ribbon at the new u.s. embassy but the president says, quote, not a big fan of the obama administration having sold perhaps the best located and finest embassy in london for pea tphut nuts only to build a new one in an off location for $1.12 billion. bad deal. wanted me to cut ribbon -- no! nick paton walsh is live in london with the facts. good morning, nick. >> reporter: absolutely.

the wax works portion behind me. it gives you an idea how this is being treated by many londoners. it wasn't the obama administration who moved it from mayfair, to here. a nice part of south london. it was the bush administration, off citing security reasons. is it a big financial burden for the u.s. taxpayer? pretty much unclear. they said the sale of the building would fund this one behind me. the qatary wealth fund are turning it into a luxury hotel. that is $1.3 billion or so. probably enough to pay for the partially open building behind me here. he wasn't formally invited.

howev if you look at the reaction, you will see the unpopularity. they say his cancellation is him finally getting the message. no love lost between most londoners. this occupies the most powerful man in the world's mind in the early hours of this morning. alisyn. >> nick, sometimes the wax figures don't look as life onlike as that one. that was quite a reveal there in london. thank you very much for the reporting. so donald trump is getting a physical today. >> the real donald trump. >> not the wax figure. what will this exam reveal about his health? that's next.

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weight. he takes certain medications, one to lower his cholesterol. he takes propecia for hair loss, low dose aspirin. we know the basics. he has had a lifestyle that consists of eating lots of fast food. he is not getting much exercise. lots of stress. the question then becomes what's the impact of that sort of lifestyle in the first year of the presidency and all the stressors of the presidency on his physical health now? it's a pretty detailed exam. they check his heart, his lungs. those are the big concerns of someone of his age, any risk factors for stroke, applicable cancer screenings. he gets asked about anxiety, stress, depression just as a standard with a primary physical exam like this. those are the sorts of things we'll get.

as you know, as we have said, this is not a mandatory exam. there is no requirement that any of the results be released or that they all be released. we'll have to see what we find out. >> we will only find out what they want us to find out. it will be disclosed the way they want it to be disclosed. you talked about anxiety. there are questions of his mental health. how complete of a mental health exam will this be or has it been in the past? >> what the white house has telegraphed is there is not going to be a mental health exam for the white house. since i have been covering these issues, it is typically not a part of the exam. candidate mccain, i reviewed all of his records back in 2008. he had a number of mental health exams for his own records. typically for presidents it is

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so bill supporting surveillance programs pass on capitol hill but not before the president in a form of tweet triggers chaos in washington. he cast condemnation on the fisa bill, contradicting his own administration who said they supported this bill. this bill passed, phil, only after president trump was told by paul ryan that he supported it. paul ryan had to explain to the president why, you know, president trump's supported it right now. it is is controversial. i'm not suggesting fisa and surveillance apart controversial. why is it important to you? >> it is not important, it is

critical. we are not talking about surv l surveilling american citizens. we are talking about collecting information. if you're a foreign fighter in yemen, we can goo select against you without going to court. we can collect without giving you the same rights a citizen might have. that's as simple as i can make it. people are saying this is collection against americans. this is edward snowden. one more quick point on trump's comments about trump power. this is not about foreigners in the united states. if you're surveilling the russian ambassador here, he's in the u.s. you can't use 702. let's not confuse apples and oranges. >> why do you think the president was con us fused? >> he wasn't confused. he was ignorant. the white house said we support this. a written statement from earlier in january.

i'm not sure the president was aware of that. don't tell me he was confused. forget about paul ryan. i don't think he knew his white house issued a statement saying we support it. >> he doesn't know his own policies? >> correct. >> do you want me to confuse it? that's it. >> that's as plain as you can make it. >> clear as mud. >> you had a visceral reaction to the president calling haiti, el sal va is door, every nation in africa shithole countries and he would like people from norway comeing into the country. >> i had a reaction to him saying a white person coming to the country is okay and not a black person. whites are okay. blacks are not. i grew up in a household we were told we were waps and leaders. my best friend's couldn't play with the kids across the street

because they were kikes. a white person could own a black person, chinese people 110 years ago were slant eyes. and japanese people deserve to be in detention camps. how many times do we learn the lesson? how many you times did we learn the lesson? this is the land of the free, home of the brave, not the land of the bigots. i've had it with this. we have shadowy conversations in this country about racism. this is about race. it is not about countries. it is not about shitholes and norway and haiti. a white man can come here and a black man can't. that's it. i need a little bit of a coffee break now. i apologize. >> i mean, phil, it is an emotional topic. >> it is is. we are all shitholers is. i represent countries that were once viewed as dirty.

irish and italians. you are not from the puritan stock that built this country. we learned this again and again. that's who we are. >> the thing that gets to me, you're a grown man. if this is your reaction to this. if you're a kid of haitian descent. >> or a white kid, why don't you want african kids to come here? what's the lesson for any kid? >> i'm the world's leading optimism. the overwhelming reaction is to say if you're a black brother, yellow brother, native american brother, yellow brother, we are all shit holers arm and arm. that's who we are. >> we haven't heard that from leaders in congress. >> have you seen their approval rating lately? they are 10%, 15%. you see why the american people don't trust them? i would like to hear them speak.

i don't view them as a barometer for american views. >> phil mudd from the state of -- well, i'm not going to say it. >> thank you for sharing. thanks to our international viewers. for you "cnn talk "is next. for the rest of our viewers, we continue. >> you say no because they're from a shithole because of the color of their skin? >> this is twisted around. >> this is not a coincidence. this is a pattern of behavior. >> this is just beneath the president is seu. he doesn't quite get what it is that really makes america great. >> truer words haven't been said. this is what people say around their kitchen table. >> what is the staff talking about? he is talking about appealing to his base on a racist comment. >> the president triggering chaos on the hill by contradicting his own opinion on