last week? i went in there and i couldn't believe what i saw. looked like an atomic bomb went off. four people lost their lives. at that point someone has to control the numbers of elephants. elephants have had a tough time, some countries are coming back, some aren't. hopefully what's happening, the hunters -- i couldn't possibly do that, but the elephants can be relocated to other countries. but thank goodness we have a way of controlling these animals, we have to. because if we don't, it's going to turn into a mess we can't repair. >> i appreciate you talk about this. i know it's a complex issue and i appreciate your expertise. >> tough issue. thanks. make sure to tune in for trop"trophy" this sunday at 9:0 eastern and pacific time. now it's time to hand it to andrew cuomo and cuomo prime time. >> have a good weekend my friend. a provocative question and a quest for answers. why would donald trump's lawyer

allegedly pay off a porn star? and we go one on one with president trump's former campaign manager, cory lewandowski. why he says the president's words are not a problem. let's get after it on friday night. i'm kro i'm andrew cuomo. welcome to primeti"primetime". my friends, webber on the eve of martin luther king weekend, a man who coached us to judge people on the content of their character, not the color of their skin or the place they come from. president trump breathed new life into those words with his wanting of less brown people and more people from norway. we talk to cory lewandowski to see if he can adjust the president's words and deeds. let's start with facts first. this may be the image of the week. who do we see?

hud secretary ben carson. for all thinks controversies, pulled himself from poverty, became a neurosurgeon, represents so much of what dr. king fought for and dreamed. behind him, a president who makes us wonder how really feels about people who look like and then you have vice president mike pence, characteristically silent. but pence isn't alone. you hear that? that is the silence of the gop leadership, mcconnell, ryan, so many others seemingly content to swallow whatever trump feeds if country, as long as they can get legislation they like. many of you have voiced your feelings to me since we learned these words from the president, hot and cold. we've seen news folk outraged, wean weepy.

but what about those elected to republican o represent our values? where are they now? none are looking to come on tonight, so let's get after it with a man who knows donald trump so well, he wrote a book about him. former campaign manager cory lewandowski, his new book is called "let trump be trump." cory, always a pleasure. >> chris, i had nothing else to do on a friday night. >> nice of you to take the opportunity. the best to you and the family for 2018. >> same to you and your family, chris. >> let me get your response on this reporting tonight. the allegation that the president's lawyer made a payment to the porn star who goes by stormy daniels. have you ever heard anything about this? >> i've only heard what's being reported in the last couple hours. what i've seen is what the public reports are, which is the

white house has said this was an allegation which was talked about prior to the election which was shot down. and she has said there's no truth to this. i don't know why this is a news story. i do understand the "wall street journal" has sourcing on this. a payment was made they say. we have two individuals, the white house speaking to on behalf of the president and the individual in question who supposedly received a payment saying there's no truth to the story. so in a normal journalism word for word, you would have two sources, both prime sources, both who said it didn't take place. >> you don't disagree with your discrepant schism, but you know what makes it funky, the outlets, "the wall street journal", the new york post, even fox fuse had it on one of their websites. why would murdock-owned properties go out of their way to do a false story about the

president of the united states. they must have vetted it. why would murdock properties do this if it's that thin? >> it's a great question. i think as you look back at some of the stories that have been written about this with candidate and this administration, there have been on many occasions -- i don't know about this story but i know the woman who is supposedly received this money according to "the wall street journal" has now been on the record saying she hasn't received any money. she's a primary source. the person who supposedly made the payment according to the "wall street journal" which would have been then-candidate trump through his attorney saying this never took place. so i don't know where the sourcing comes from. >> but you're agreeing with me it's interesting where it came out though, isn't it? >> it's interesting, but i don't understand when you have two

people, both on the record saying it never happened. if that's the case, i don't know how someone that see ability to write a story. >> because there's more allegations about the money and some proof. the answer will come from mr. murdock, he's the one that put it out first. let's talk about something that is certainly more important and could not be more real. you know what the president said. let me ask you, cory, did you get on the phone and get to the president and say, hey, you can' talk like this, this isn't what america is, we have to be better than this, mr. president. do you make that call? >> i didn't speak to the president yesterday, chris. i was actually -- i was in washington yesterday and then i spent time in tennessee helping congresswoman run for the u.s. senate down there. i didn't speak to the president yesterday or today. i don't know what was said in the meeting because i wasn't there. >> you know what was said in the meeting. >> here's what i know. we've got two republican u.s. senators, men who i don't think we are questioning their

credibility, tom cotton, who said that they didn't hear that conversation take place. >> cotton wasn't sure what he heard, he didn't remember, they want to duck it. they don't want to own this. they want trump to own it. >> we weren't there. >> disturb bin was there and other people were there. when the white house was called, let me tell you what's got my antenna up. it sounds just like something he would say, and he could is, when the white house was contact, they had an opportunity to back off on this right away and they didn't. the reporting cnn was, the words are what they were and we think this is going to be okay with the people who supported the president, like when he talked about the nfl and he said certain things that were ugly about the people protesting. we think they agree and we're going to be okay. they could have backed off then if they wanted. i don't think you want to argue accuracy here. >> chris, i don't know who they spoke to at the white house or if they were in the room.

look, i saw a statement from two republican u.s. senators who were in the room. >> who say he didn't say it or they said they don't remember hearing it? there's a difference, cory. you were in law enforcement, you know there's a difference. >> they put a public statement out. what i know is the president said he didn't say it, two republican u.s. senators in the room say they didn't hear it said. here's what i know -- >> the democrat said he heard that and a lot of ugly stuff, and the republicans say they're not sure what they heard. come on. >> look, it wasn't that long ago when barack obama called libya something very similar and no one talked about it back then. >> by the way, they weren't similar circumstances, but even if they were, even if he did the exact same thing -- >> nobody called barack obama a

racist. nobody accused barack obama of being racist of calling libya the same thing. >> first of all, it's not even the word, cory. it's not even what he used. by the way, we're allowed to say the word that's on the screen right now. but this is what it is. you're trying to confuse the standard and we'll get to why. first let's take a look at the premise. you're saying everybody uses bad words, why are you coming after him? it's not the word. >> it's just me and mooch. >> it was the analogy, okay? it was, i don't want brown people here. why do we have to have all these brown people. why can't we have more people from norway? what's the difference between the people of sudan and norway? could it be white people? >> i can tell you. >> what's the difference? >> i'm happy to tell you if youm wa to. in haiti the average person's income is $804 a year.

in norway, the average is $97,000 a year. if those refugees are cottage to the united states, do you want a person who's average income is $800 a year and they're going to be a contributing member of society? or a person whose income is $97,000? these aren't my statistics, they're government statistics. >> i'm pointing at my heart. i want heart. you want heart. you want people who come here with the love in their heart for this country and for opportunity. >> of course you do. >> and who will work their ass off like your ancestors did and my ancestors did. >> rich people come here -- of course they do. your family did, my family did. we the fold the rules and

there's nothing wrong with that. that's what the president is saying. we want people to come here. >> these people came under tps, they followed the rules too, my brother. that's how they got here. >> it was a temporary solutions. and now what the president is saying is let's have a comprehensive immigration strategy. >> that's not what he said. he could have said that. why are you making this deal offer to me that if we want to do daca, you got to have the tps people in here? why do we have to have people from these lousy countries? why not from norway? that is about wanting special type of people. he doesn't want the people who come interest those places, cory. just own it. >> didn't the liberal line of the senate, ted kennedy, say the exact same thing in 1965? are you accusing him of being racist. he said this is going to preclude people from western

europe from coming in and we're going to get people from africa and other countries that aren't from western europe and they're going to overrun our country. that's what he said in 1965 when they passed legislion. he's one of your heroes. >> dwroun wyou don't know who m are. i knew senator ted kennedy, and there is zero chance that he would have ever said i would love to have more people from norway than people from these shithole countries. you know why? because he didn't think white people were inherently better than brown people, that's why. >> what ted kennedy said in 1965 was very clear. >> -- people anxious for opportunity. i get what you're doing. i would even give you a golf clap for looking back into history and finding something to make an analogy zblotsds i come prepared for you, baby, because that's what i know. >> but you don't seem to want to

own about what the president said. >> chris. >> he said he doesn't want poor, brown people. he wants the nice white people to come. >> that's a great story to say he's a racist. >> i haven't said that and not because i couldn't say it, it's because i don't know it's productive. >> chris, you know why president was great the other day, when he brought all the cameras and they had an open dialogue with and republicans democrats sitting around the table and no one walked out and said the president said this or that. the american people watched it. let's have more of those because the first time the cameras are off, we have two different accounts of what might have been said in a room. so let's bring the cameras in every single time and make people negotiate in front of the american people. >> it's not a ver rassy issue, no way.

there's no way that -- i'm not talking about the difference between house and whole. he was talking about ugly about people from those countries and expressing a preference. you want to talk about the meeting, i would love it all to be televised. there may be deal making and sausage making to virtuous goals, but i think more transparency would probably be a good thing. but there were things we saw that weren't that encouraging. the president did not show great understanding about the state of play with what was going on. he did not seem to understand the negotiating tactic of a clean bill versus an attached bill. he agreed with thooints and then changed his mind when mccarthy spoke up. >> chris, what the president said was you want to give me the heat, i'll take all the heat you want. i'll get the deal done but we

have to have a wall on the southern border, we have >> we do have a wall. >> not on 200,000 miles. >> you can't have it. that's what kellyanne conway told me and the president now knows. >> 4% of the immigrants coming in right now are chain migration immigrants. >> one step at a time. >> are there contours? >> the wall will be a big deal because we know the gang of 8 had language on chain migration on the lottery. they had talked about these things. it's wall, a signature promise that i watched you many times gladly smile and applaud through, that it was going to be a brand-new wall that was going to go the whole way, just like china did, 30 feet high, bricks and mortar, and he knows how to build it and mexico is going to pay for it. >> that's right. >> the second part has become a laughable afterthought, and now

that he's president and he has met with experts, turns out that a wall is not feasible to build all the way across the border because turns out there are rivers involved. it's like you become president and they give you a map and there's new information on it? everyone was saying this to him. >> chris, it's very simple. it's called -- he's going to build a wall. it's called sealing the border. we are a sovereign country. look at the countries who have problems with their neighbors, and they build a wall. look at israel and the southern border of mexico. we are a sovereign nation and we have the right to control our borders. if one american citizen dies from a person crossing that border illegally and something happens to them, that's one too many. and it's the job of the president of the united states to keep our citizens safe from all enemies both foreign and domestic and that means people coming across the border illegally. >> that wasn't already negotiated in the last bill.

put fences where you need them, shore up the points of entry. but you don't want to build a bruchbd wall alo brand-new wall across the border. >> the wall's going to get built. >> you mean wall as a metaphor, put security where you need it. no, no, no. and now you're saying it's okay, it was in the interest of getting a deal. really? >> chris, i don't believe that. the deal which includes building the wall and stopping the lottery and includes ending chain migration, stopping sanctuary cities. that is the comprehensive immigration package we're talking about. but the wall is paramount. the wall will get built. >> i thought daca was paramount, i thought it was like a bill of love. >> let me tell you something. i don't think you can tell me within a million people how many illegal immigrants are in this

country, not within 100 or thousand or 100,000. >> i'll tell you one thing, i know this. no matter how many illegal people, if you want to call them that, are in this country. they're not our biggest problem. >> they are illegal. >> they're not who's creating the crime in this country. they're not stealing jobs from people. they're not the boogie man. a lot of them are like your ancestor and my ancestors, two generations ago. and you're making them sound like creatures from the black lagoon. so you want to build a wall, fine. but now you're not going to build a wall, you want to have a safe border, that's fine. everybody wants a safe border. but that's not the way this talk started. it was ugly and scary and xenophobic, and now to get a deal dunn, that's going to go away and we have to deal with it. remember why people said what

they said. >> i remember, but what we don't even know how many illegal immigrants are in the country. that's a problem. >> no question. >> that's literally the population of new hampshire. we need to do a better job. >> we need to do a better job. >> we need to find out how many illegals are here. the government owes accountability. >> you are absolutely right. >> yes, we should. >> but that wasn't the original sales pitch. let's see what deal they come up with. the president will get this deal and he's going to get a wall out of it. did democrats are going to kwut that deal, why? i have no idea. i'll track it. you're welcome back whenever you want to discuss these issues, my friend. >> thank you, chris. >> be well. cory lewandowski, everybody. the president has gone from a very stable genius to slamming countries in just five days. when will the gop finally speak some truth to power? we have rick santorum versus ben

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and angels we want. joining me the former head of the naacp and current candidate for governor of maryland, mr. ben gellis, and former republican senator, rick santorum a cnn senior political commentator. gentlemen, thank you for being with us. rick, let me start with you. do you understand the criticism of what the president said most recently with respect to countries and the people who come from there to here? >> sure. i think the criticism for the most part appropriate. the president shouldn't be talking like this. i know it was a private conversati and there's some question as to what he said and whether he said it. i mean, the president denies saying it, but if, in fact, he did say that, those are comments that are beneath the presidency and very troublesome. look, you heard me talk many times. i think the president's doing a good job on a lot of policy things, but just gets in his own

way by making these types of comments that hurt him and his agenda and the american people. i wish he would stop doing it. >> ben, do you think he said it and if he did, what does it mean to you? >> there's zero chance he didn't say it. we saw the limits of what the white house staff is willing to do. they engage in fake news with him and they exaggerate his accomplishments, but they're t accomplishments,. when are we just going to believe him that he is who he pretends to be. he calls people from mexico murderers and rapists. and he grasps people by the pussy because he's celebrity. you can go on and on and on.

we have to put pressure on all the folks who, frankly, will defend him and will stay silent to actually stand up for what this country is about because even your talk with cory, what he said we should let the rich folks in, has he been to the statue of liberty recently? has he read the words at the bottom? that's not what it talks about. turn over the money and see what it says on the back, out of many, one. we're supposed to be a as the result in the storm to the hungry and poor. that's what we have to get back to. >> i get the political expedience, you have to be careful. when is enough enough? paul ryan stood up when barack obama said in the state of the union, trump's muslim ban and paul ryan stood up and said i'm not saying the muslim ban is a

good thing, we shouldn't have a religious test, but this den grades the presidency and on this he's so mousy about it. mcconnell's silent about it. at what point is enough enough? >> i don't think there's been shortage of speaking truth to power when it comes to the president's statements. many republicans -- the question is how often do you have to do it? how many times are you going to be required to say i don't agree with what the president said and move on. >> every time. >> but if it's every day, no, i don't think every time. there reaches a point where you have to say, look, this is a president -- >> you need to because yoour ki are listening. >> i understand why you would want someone to every accusation or statement he makes, but at some point it becomes a distraction. we all know who donald trump is. i think every republican will

tell you that donald trump doesn't have a filter and says things that are not what a president should be saying. i don't know of a single republican who hasn't said that on multiple occasions. the question is, can we get past this and understand that's who he is and the american public is going to make a political judgment and trying to get something done. >> what we're seeing through the silence is -- >> there's no silence. i disagree there's silence. >> there's no silence? our governor here in -- >> a lot of the guys said nothing, rick, you know this. >> again, i don't think that every time the president says something -- and it is on a daily basis, that it would retire everybody to say something about it. that's a false standard. >> it doesn't need to be everybody, certainly the head of the party. >> count me. >> i will count you. but if you were in there right

now and you were part of it leadership, i think there's a different responsibility. let's bounce the ball the other way. ben, even though the president is consistently buried under his own words, and he is consistently getting crushed in the media for it, the democrats are still losing to him. i know that's going to upset people on the left, and we have a ton of democrats who watch. but just think about your own interest as democrats. they lost on the tax bill. yes, it was a reconciliation vote, but they lost. and the only high ground they had was that he did i had along partisan lines and along socioeconomic lines. but with daca, the whole country, except for rick santorum, wants you to take care of the d.r.e.a.m.ers. even the republicans are 77% in the latest poll. why do they have to give him the exaggerated idea of a wall and the ability to say he's a

unifier? they don't have to do it to help the d.r.e.a.m.ers. why go 0 for 2? >> frankly, i don't get the way our party often negotiates in congress. you know, the republicans are so insane that they now are trying to play it like tug of war on a football field from the second tear of the bleachers. and then we say they've gone way up, let's talk to the 50-yard line and start tug o war from there and we're like how did we get in the end zone, and that's what happens. we have to start from what we want if we want to get anything close to it. but at the same time we have to be smart enough to actually say, how did it come to be that the republicans control every branch of our federal government. and it gets down to the fattening we let them build a movement that now controls 3/4 of our states. and on we've got to get series about taking back our states and moving forward in our states no matter what happens in washington.

we have families here tonight, children will go to bed, and that'll wake up in a cold sweat at 2:00 in the morning, rush into their parents' bedroom to make sure they're still there. these are american citizen children with immigrant parents who are terrified every night, and it is not enough to wait for the federal government to change. we have to find ways to make them feel secure here in our states. >> rick, as a starting point the president isn't where you are on this. he he's saying bill of love, i want to help them. imagine from your negotiating background in d.c., if the democrats came to the table and be sure, listen, you're the one who set the deadline and putting all these guys here. we know you don't like what obama did, we want a clean bill, or we want you to go back to the tax bill and give a certain% of

the corporate profits they're going to get, and a percentage has to go to wages. why not do a hardline negotiation? >>lectionsave consequences, and the fact is they don't control either chamber of the congress. >> but they need 60 on this. >> they do. a lot of rick santorum folks don't like the idea of providing amnesty. >> 70% plus of republicans in a poll. >> it's not reflective of what the mood is among members of congress. i think what members of congress want and have wanted, unless we have enforcement, unless we control our borders, unless we control our visa programs, we have visa overstays which are half of the people here illegally. >> that's true. tell that to all the people who say we're a wall away.

that's all we're hearing. final point, ben. i got to wrap. >> how quickly we forget. all three of us probably have ancestors that came through ellis island. we know what the slur wop stands for, stands for without papers. italians were slurred by that and so many. those ancestors were white and apparently that wasn't a problem. but when you're brown or black and you don't have papers, now that's a problem. >> not the same. >> that's outrageous. >> just so you understand -- i understand what you're saying, ben. >> be a patriot. >> the reality is my father and right, they had papers, but a lot people didn't. but we had labor shortages during the turn of the last century, and the reality is most of the workers were unskilled

workers and we needed them. that's not the case anymore. secondly, we had no welfare system. >> have you ever been to a farm recently, rick? >> it's a different world we're coming into. >> come to any farm with me and you'll see plenty of need for unskilled laborers. come on. >> up until the last year, wages have not gone up in this country, slowest wage growth in 30 years for those wage earners, low skilled wage earners. >> the majority of people who have been coming in here earn minimum wage. you're completely against raising the minimum wage. >> i'm for raising the minimum wage. >> you and i can solve that problem. gentlemen, i appreciate it, robust and reasonable. thank you very much. rick santorum and ben gellis.

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now you can get it, too. welcome to the party. republican reaction to president trump's slur about immigrants from, quote, shithole countries can be filed under profiles in noncourage, maybe call it profiles in puss lon mouseness. most notely, the leadership, although house speaker paul ryan did muster this. >> i read those comments later last night. the first thing that came to my mind was, very unfortunate, unhelpful. >> compare that to the old ryan, remember when president obama mentioned president trump's muslim ban during a state of the union address? ryan stood up and said such talk

degrades the presidency. that's not what presidents ought to be talking about. now, you saw what he just said. mcconnell, though, said nothing. let's get to chris cillizza, happy friday night to you. >> puce lan mouse. >> it was a strong start. >> you're a lawyer. >> indeed. >> what do you make of the nonhandling of this situation by the gop? did you subscribe to the rick santorum theory that it happens to often? >> sort of. if you reacted every time trump tweeted something or said something, you would be responding all the time, but this is not a mole hill. that is mountain. this is donald trump making very

clear that immigrants from basically all-white country, norway, a welcome, and immigrants from places like el salvador, haiti, and african countries, what are they? brown and black, are not welcome and doing so in crude terms. whether he used that exact word or some iteration of it, no one is claiming that he wasn't making clear that he wand more white immigrants and less black and bro immigrants. and that to me is something that you can't just say -- this isn't just another thing that he says. >> but that is how they handled it. whom do you give this distinction of being the big award winner for saying nothing? >> this is a win for mitch mcconnell. you mentioned it, but he's the senate majority leader, chris. he's the single most powerful person, republican, other than donald trump, in washington. he didn't say a word.

i just think, even if you put out a two-sentence statement that says, donald trump's views don't reflect mine or the republican party's. and i'll note, there's danger here for the republican party by saying nothing. donald trump was not a republican before he ran for office, of, he's be careful in terms of views a republican now. when donald trump is out of office four years or eight years from now, they're going to have to pick the pieces of the republican party up, and it's not going to be the donald trump party. it's going to be the republican party and what do they stand for. >> who's the runner-up? >> tom cotton and david purdue. i watched earlier this hour. i watched cory lewandowski say repeatedly two republican senators said that donald trump did not say these things in this oval office meeting. they were both there. that's not what they're statement said. >> that's what i said to cory. >> yes. what their statement said was,

we don't recall if he did this, which, chris, let's be honest. if they could say he did not say this, he did not do this, we were there and we know it, don't you think they would have. >> yes, strong point. >> of course they would have. >> strong point. >> i think using that as some sort of -- they're not saying that. you have dick durbin on the record, lindsey graham, you have other folks saying, yes, this is what he said. plus, let's remember it's not about that word. it's about the sentiment, which is white people, white immigrants are welcome, black and brown immigrants, why do we have so many of them. >> i hear you and i appreciate you. thank you, chris cillizza. >> have a good weekend, my friend. >> a little bit of a change of topic, but just as provocative a situation. elephants, rhinos, lions, all

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getting closer to extinction each year. that is a fact. if i were the ask you how to save them, an idea that would probably not jump to mind is to allow them to be hunted for trophies. this sunday marks the premiere of the cnn original film "trophy" and in it they argue that conservation and hunting may go closer than you think. watch this sneak preview. >> i've been a hunter my whole life. i lost my dad a a few years ago, and he was a hunter. i think that he would be really tickling to be able to tell the people back home at the coffee shop this son is out hua linting . >> this show is the largest hunting convention on the planet. >> crock dials are really mean besides a pair of boots. >> approachers will shoot every

last one because there's a commercial-driven desire. >> people are confused how skmungt conservation go together. >> you can just pick whatever animal you want from the menu they offer you, see the price, and book the kill. >> big cats, 22, cold. >> and that money will go back into conservation. >> how much for that sucker? >> 35. >> i have the recipe to save the rhinos from extinction. on the black market the retail value would be $250,000. >> the operation is painless. it will take two years before he goes through the same procedure again. all i need is for it to be legal. give me one animal while farmers are breeding and making out of it. there's not one. >> all right. so the question is, does big game hunting help or hurt

conservation? here to debate it are skmurnt sheep rancher flip glass, and the ceo and general counsel of born free u.s. usa. good to have you both here, gentlemen. what is your take and >> my take is hunting and conservation go together. we have a century long track record of success from north america to south africa to central asia. the animal numbers are actually increasing. it's the countries where you can't hunt where the trackage stories are being told such as kenya who has lost 80% of its wildlife over the years since the hunting ban has been instituted. >> it's a bad image but a reality this money that winds upcoming into it winds up making a difference for conservation. acceptable to you as a rationale? >> it is not, chris.

less than 3% of the money that gets paid for the hunting actually goes back into the community. the vast majority of that money is going into the outfits doing the hunting, going into the government hands. they're really not going back into the community or conservation of the species. >> the money is token, not of legitimate value. the numbers are pumped up. fair criticism, mr. glass? >> an anti-poaching leader was featured in a film. he stated that he and the community received fully 50% of my line's safari dollars. so the facts and figures that he's putting out are just simply false. the ground and go how this money is distributed.

>> back to the talk about money actually going to conservation. >> there might be situations where mr. glass is describing in fact he can trace the money going book into a community or school. but we don't have to speculate. there have been studies done on this. and the studies are almost unanimous a very low percent of the money that gets paid for trophy hunting is actually going back to the community. the number i've seen is as low as 3%. >> even if the numbers are exaggerated, if there any money that is going that is attributing in some way in these places that have the trophy hunting being better than in other countries, why isn't that enough practice to allow the numbers to continue? >> again, i don't think that's true. there are countries which trophy hunting is allowed and not just allowed but doesn't quite

rampantly. and poaching and other activities that were supposed to be reduced because of the money going into conservation are not happening. what we're actually seeing in some of those countries is the amount of poaching is either increasing or staying the same. you're not seeing the money that is being paid for purposes of the hunts actually going to conserve the species. >> mr. glass, we'll give you the final word and respond to this notion. for a lot of people who see trophy this sunday, it's not going to be facts. it's going to be about feelings. and the idea that if these are such a precious resource and you don't need them for food anymore, why would we ever kill them? what do you say to those people? >> before hunting became popula in south africa in the '50s it was a -- in 2016 the iucm stated

the hunting population was increasing. so in the countries where we hunt with the numbers applied the animal population is increasing. >> here's what we know for sure, you need to do a lot much better with many different species. mr. glass, mr. kehtan thank you very much for being with us. the cnn film trophy premieres this sunday at 9:00 p.m. up next you've been blowing up my twitter feed with the thoughts about the show. use the #cuomo prime time. let's get it on. all right! let'e freaks some manners! good luck out there, captain! thanks! but i don't need luck, i have skills... i don't have my keys. (on intercom) all hands. we are looking for the captain's keys again. they are on a silver carabiner.

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tweeting, what did your kids think about your show last night? i love your new show. they felt like it was weird for me to say that word and they don't understand why everybody's so angry all the time, and you know what, neither do i. chris cuomo, are you always this awkward? yes. and one declares who synonymous is the word of the week, kid. thank you for being so supportive of this special this week. a few more weeks of fun to go. please stay with us. don't forget to catch me and allison every weekday starting at 6:00 a.m. in the east. that's it for us tonight. thank you for watching. "cnn tonight" with don lemon, the man, starts right now. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. thank you so much for joining us. just one day after those

disgraceful racist comments by the president of the united states, in the oval office calling african nations shithole countries, the president has not apologized. no surprise, trying to deny he used those words. but there's no denying it. senator rick durbin confirms it, and senator lindsey graham who was at the meeting also said he stood up after those comments. we all know the president meant what he said. sources telling cnn the president called friends to do a victory lap. so it's painfully ironic or for some just painful that today the president sought to honor dr. martin luther king, jr., saying this. >> that is what reverend king preached all of his life, love. love for each other, for neighbors and for