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>> i'm reading coconut water, frozen blueberries and, your personal favorite, bacon, our personal favorite are leading the surge. >> thank you for joining is us on mlk day. i'm christine romans. >> i'm dave briggs. we'll see you tomorrow. >> i am the least racist person you have ever interviewed. that, i can tell you. >> i'm telling you he did not use that word. it is a gross misrepresentation. >> he rejected a bipartisan deal brought to him by his own republican senator because he wants to make racial politics. >> the democrats are the ones that aren't. >> the democrats are negotiate anything good faith. >> we have a shutdown looming. we have to make sure this government runs and operates. >> if it is the case that a single employee can hit the wrong button, the system needs to be redesigned. >> it highlights the stark reality the people of hawaii are
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facing. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. this is your "new day". it is monday, january 15th, 6:00 in new york. alisyn is off. the one and only poppy harlow here. thank you. >> did you see the vikings last night? >> i did. a long time agonizing vikings fan. is this your year? >> yes, it is. let's start with this. president trump declaring he is not a racist. he has a credibility problem. he is denying he referred to haiti and other nations using the s-hole word. i've said the word enough. you know what he said. he clearly expressed a presence from brown people from hard-hit countries. now we have this sickening coverup with lawmakers in the oval office disagreeing with
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what was said. some republicans first said they couldn't recall. now they say they do recall and the president never said that. please, don't be distracted. no one denies the comparison he made, the preference he stated. and that is the problem. the president creating his own trouble, jeopardizing any daca deal. the president saying the democrats are holding up the deal on the d.r.e.a.m.ers as a threat for a government shutdown looms for this friday. some democrats will vote against keeping it open if it doesn't include protection for d.r.e.a.m.ers. >> also this morning, the white house in a war of words disputing a quote from the paper's long interview with the president. audio of that and it's all over a contraction.
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residents and tourists scrambling for shelter in hawaii. we're going to tell you the latest in the panic-inducing false alert that is raising hugely significant questions how this could happen. why were there no checks on this. we have it all covered. caitlyn collins is live in west palm beach, florida. the president is spending the holiday weekend. what are the developments this morning? >> well, quite a way to start martin luther king jr. day for the president. he denied overnight that he made the derogatory remarks about countries in africa and denying as well that he is a racist after the white house initially did not deny the president, that the president made those remarks. as this continues, just the outcry is continuing to grow over what really happened in that meeting at the white house. >> i'm not a racist. i am the least racist person you have ever interviewed, that i can tell you. >> reporter: president trump on defense after days of outrage
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over his disparaging comments about immigrants from haiti and other african nations. >> did you see what the senators in the room said about my comments? they weren't made >> reporter: some differing accounts about whether he referred to these countries as shitholes. >> he said them, and he said them repeated. >> reporter: senator dick durbin saying he did use the vulgar characteration while two republican allies said they did not recall the phrase before insisting sunday that it did not happen. >> he did not use that word, george. i'm telling you, it's a gross misrepresentation. >> i didn't hear that word either. >> reporter: senator tim scott telling the charleston post and currier said lindsey graham said the comments were basically accurate. >> i was in a meeting directly afterwards where those who presented to the president our proposal speck about the
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meeting. and they see those words were used before those words went public. >> reporter: the bitter infighting is stalling talks over a potential immigration deal that would protect d.r.e.a.m.ers. >> you can't have an immigration compromise if everyone is calling the president a racist. >> reporter: the president declaring that daca is probably dead, but later leaving it open. >> we are willing and able to milwaukee a deal on daca, but i don't think the democrats want to make a deal. >> reporter: i for one will not vote for government funding until we get a deal on daca. >> i don't know if there will be a shutdown. there shouldn't be. >> reporter: president trump addressing this frightening false alarm in hawaii. >> the u.s. pacific command has detected a missile threat to hawaii. a missile may impact on land or
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sea in minutes. this is not a drill. >> reporter: the mistake sending panicked residents for their lives. mr. trump saying tension with north korea contributed to the chaos. >> part of it is is people are on edge. maybe eventually we will solve a problem so they won't be so on edge. we have great talks going on. the olympics you know about. a lot of things can happen. >> reporter: now, the only administration official to address the president's remarks is homeland security secretary kirsten nelson, who was in the meeting at the white house. she would she doesn't recall the president making those remarks. there is no denying that the outcry comes as the white house is in critical negotiations with capitol hill just days before the government is scheduled to run out of money, chris and poppy. >> caitlyn, you're standing out there in that south florida weather so i have no problem keeping you a little longer. let me ask you a couple of questions. one, nobody denies the
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preference that the president stated and the comparison he made between brown people from haiti and south america and african nations and people like norway. nobody denies that comparison, true? >> reporter: no one has denied that. the only thing they're denying is specific vulgar language that the president used. you have to look at the timeline here. the white house did not initially deny the remarks. they did not push back on this at all when the "washington post" reported it. only now those two on republican senators, senator cotton and purd purdue, said they didn't recall it. a few days later they denied the president made the remarks. you have to look at the shifting timeline, did the president say it, did he not? it is continue to go change. >> going from i don't recall to i know he didn't say it is just suspect. >> it is is. >> more importantly, caitlyn, the day that this happened, you
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spoke to someone at the white house who not only didn't deny it but you said i think the base will be okay with this. they are almost taking this as a victory lap. true or false? >> reporter: yeah. that's exactly right. not only was the would you say not denying it, the president spent the day these comments happened, phoning friends and allies to see how they felt the remark was playing out in the media, what they thought the reaction to this was. and someone told my colleague the president was loving all the controversy and outcry over this. the white house did not see this as a p.r. disaster as a typical administration did because they thought it would resonate with the president's base. remember the attacks on the nfl that the president made, they thought it mirrored that as well. no pushback privately or on the record about the comments in the
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beginning. the president himself is saying he did use tough language. i just referenced homeland security. secretary nelson said the president speaks in tough language. they do seem to be defending the sentiment. >> i'm going to say two words. rich lowry came in and said shithouse not shithole. >> hold your baby's ears. >> and ericsson said he said this in the meeting. whether it was that word or that word, let's bring in co-author of the point with chris cillizza. kaitlan, stick around as well. karoun, to you, whether it was this word or that word, you have a complete flip within a matter of 48 hours. someone is lying. the sentiment is what it is.
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and that's not debatable. >> yeah. look, you have seen a lot of republicans in the room initially saying i don't recall what was exactly said. or not willing to say things in public. they would put themselves on the record of what they heard the president saying what they thought about it. this is a close alternative that allows for some room of equivocation. it is the lesser of two evils in their mind right now. the fact that this has dragged on so long. and you have a he said/he said about what went on on in the room, does not take the issue off the table. they are trying to cover for the president in some way. they are starting to debate about what the exact word he used. we continue talking about it, debating it, scrutinizing the president and his opinion of these countries and other things said that has been controversial the last year of his presidency. so it seemed like it is an effort to make it go away but not making it go away.
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>> house versus hole, who cares? this is about the preference that he expressed. you are not hearing the reports out this morning that the diplomatic corps from the u.s. is being called into the offices of south africa. they're not angry because of the word. they're angry because he said why do we have to have these people and not more people from norway. he denies it. isn't that the problem here? >> yeah. i think he has had that problem for a while. whether he used it or not is sort of -- the most recent example and maybe the most extreme fort moment. but he spent his campaign, you know, basically offending all different types of minority groups. >> his record is clear. but now there is a new dynamic, kaitl
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kaitlyn. he has people working with him on it. it strains credulity. you are sitting with tom cotton and others and sentiment like this is expressed and you don't remember. if they wanted to cover up for the president, they would have covered it at jump. they would have said i was there, he never said this, let's move. how is this playing for cotton and purdue? >> well, look how it goes. they went from saying they don't recall it to insisting he did not say it. when a president makes this comment in a meeting with 10 lawmakers, you're going to remember that he said that. going back and forth on what the specific term was that the president used is a way to distract from the overall sentiment that the president made this remark during a very serious is meeting on immigration at the white house that is going to affect hundreds of thousands of people.
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this is the sentiment that the president expressed. it is important not to let it get lost, the overall criticalness of the discussion the president was having with lawmakers at the white house when he said this, when he expressed what he really thinks about these ongoing negotiations. this is overshadowing days before the government is going to run out of money. it shows that the president has this penchant for speaking out, speaking his mind, something the office applauds him for often. we see it getting in the way of negotiation on lawmakers and how it will affect the american people. >> it wasn't that senator purdue came out and said he didn't use that word. he went on to say it's a gross misrepresentation. >> and he puts it on david -- david purdue. and he puts it on dick durbin. both of them say this guy has a history of lying about what happens in white house meetings.
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>> it is not about what the word was. how it all ties into d.r.e.a.m.ers and the fate of the 600,000 plus people in this country, d.r.e.a.m.ers, waiting for something to get down hopefully for them by friday. so karoun, to you, how does this impact the daca negotiations? you heard senator rand paul come out and saying if anyone is calling the president a racist, how can we get anything done on immigration? what does this do in your mind? >> well, it doesn't necessarily help them along. the thing that the democrats are probably trying to weigh right now is how far they think they were going to get along if they played more nicely with the president. we saw last week president trump was out there saying we want a clean daca. no, we won't. whoever was asking the questions in the long session is he held with members of congress.
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but if you've got an open spat, it becomes more stkeuf to reach a deal. if it was something where they would have to swallow the president's wall, maybe that wasn't the greatest place to start out with. that he wants the open question right now. where were they? were they actually the point at which this was leading in a good direction or were they at odds anyway and you're having this debate about what the president actually said. but really about what the sentiments are against a back drop where they weren't getting that much done anyway. that is the crux of it right now. clearly this week looking towards the budget deadline. but then going out beyond that, more time where they would be be working on this. and more time because of the court decision to stay. fullmentmentation. but this is the first step. it doesn't bode very well for the steps that will follow. >> good point. thank you all, ladies, very much. we appreciate it. ahead, the president
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all right. so "the wall street journal" this morning is standing by its reporting that president trump said, quote, i probably have is a good relationship with kim
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jong-un. both the journal and the white house released audio of this same interview. the white house insists the president did not say that. they said he said i'd have. >> him stating something almost impossible to believe after all the hostility which he has a good relationship or any relationship, versus him saying i'll be able to do it better. >> right. so it matters. the white house didn't dispute this, right? at the end of the interview he said how much he enjoyed it and he was going to do it monthly. let's just play for our viewers both of these. you listen. you decide. roll it. >> and i probably have a very good relationship with kim jong is unof north korea.
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>> and i probably have a very good relationship with kim jong-un of north korea. >> wes, what do you hear? >> i think i hear the -- him saying it the way the journal initially reported it. look, i can see why someone might suggest there is a little ambiguity there. it can be hard to figure out contractions or not when speaking. i think this is the battle the white house has chose tone fight. it speaks to a vulnerable they perceive they have. there have been so many questions about the president's competence, his behavior in some of these closed door meetings. so the fact that they would so focus whether it was i or i'd, not that there isn't a substantive difference on what
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he said. sometimes the thing you hit on the most is the thing you're most concerned about. >> just in the interest of progress, give it to him. he wasn't saying he has a great relationship with the guy right now which would be a preposterous notion. this is once again the president giving in his own way. on the eve of mlk day, he express said a preference for having white people in this country instead of brown people. they say they play everything. play the recording of that meeting. let's see what you said. and isn't the biggest part of this the comparison that he made. and now his fighting it and compromising is just another example of him getting in his own way and trying to blame the meeting. >> and others as well who were his allies really. look, this is a selective reliance on tapes that begs the
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question of why. i talked talk to members on capitol hill. sometimes people misspeak. sometimes they communicate to me something that is grammatically nonsensical. the president could have very easily said maybe it sounded like i said i have but it meant i'd have and it should have been on obvious, whatever, move on. he's digging in on this one and the other one. certainly we're talking about both. as you said, the one seems to be an honest disagreement about what he precisely said/meant to say, which we do that all the time versus the other one where this is a really serious issue behind the argument they're having about which salty word he decided to use by people don't want to be described either way. >> is we went to the journal
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friday morning. we asked them to correct the record on this. they would not. the journal is standing by its reporting. what do you make of the fact that this was reported? the president said i wish i would have recorded that meeting with the senators on immigration. because in his mind he didn't use that word. normal this was recorded by the white house? >> it is is certainly normal that it was recorded by the journalists there. >> what about the white house? >> sometimes they use their handlers, spokesperson may themselves record an enter is view. when you talk about something with the white house or with the president, it is a little more rare. it raises the question, this president has previously threatened to record meetings.
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the obvious is the nixon tapes. while this was recorded by everyone involved, the president's tact to say "the wall street journal" made something up. it immediately jumped to this is fake news. they're making it up. and a reasonable person can listen to that and conclude exactly what "the wall street journal" did. >> that takes us, karoun, to jeff flake, senator from arizona, not running again. all of this talk of who will replace him. he wants to give a speech and indict the president of the united states for going against the media and trying to destroy the free press. what do we understand about his motivation and his hope here. >> jeff flake has announce said now a while ago he is planning on retiring. he has kind of taken the gloves off since that happened to
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criticize the president very openly on many things he thinks are important for the good of the country beyond the term he will be in office to actually have the podium to be talking about these things from the position he has now. he was somebody who criticized his party when they rallied around roy moore. now he is standing up saying you can't do this to the free press. he's breaking with the gop as they rally around trump on various policy and the issues he considers moral issues for the country basically. the question is does anyone join him? and does he keep this up for other topics as well that will be open to discuss. there are things to latch onto. how much umph can he put behind his message? >> you said not running.
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not running for senate? >> key distinction. wes, karoun, thank you very much. enjoy martin luther king day. both of you. queen elizabeth in an unprecedented conversation describing her coronation 65 years ago. she can recall something that happened 65 years ago. our senators can't remember an hour ago. she wants to tell you the story of what is she called a horrible day next.
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the same flags at the olympics. heart-stopping video of the moment a balcony collapses at the jakarta stock exchange. 75 people were injured and required treatment. no word amazingly of any fatalities at this point. police are ruling out terrorism. trading resumed a little bit later in the day. >> wow. to watch something like that and nobody badly injured or killed. we'll keep on that. a royally unprecedented tv event shedding light on what it is like to be queen. queen elizabeth ii in a candid new conversation. cnn's max foster live in london with more. what do we know about this conversation? >> reporter: well, it's interesting, chris. the queen has done conversations like this before in front of the cameras. but it is extremely rare.
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the only time you really get a sense of her character. for this one she took us behind the scenes of the greatest state occasion of them all here in the uk. >> question elizabeth watching footage of her own coronation for the first time since being crowned 65 years ago. her majesty speaking about it in this coach weighing four tons bound for westminster abby. >> it is is not very comfortable. >> were you in it for a long time? >> around london. we must have gone four or five miles. the horses possibly couldn't go any faster or. >> the queen offering her candid thoughts about the imperial
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state crown, which only three people are even allowed to touch. >> it's much smaller, isn't is it? i mean, it was the same height. that is when me father wore it. it. >> was huge then. >> yes. very unwieldy. >> britain's longest reigning monarch talking about wearing such a crown with its lavish diamonds and precious stones. >> once you put it on, it stays. >> you have to keep your head very still. >> yes. and you can't look down do read the speech. you have to take the speech up. because if you did, your neck would break or it would fall off. so there are some disadvantages to crowns. but otherwise, they're quite
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important things >> translator: television special giving us a rare look at the crown and the sovereign sceptre which holds the largest clearcut diamond. those and other sacred symbols of the monarchy, the crown jewels have never been filmed. years after the coronation they asked brits what they you thought of the monarch. a third back then felt the queen was directly appointed by god. for this documentary, the crew weren't allowed to view from above the crown because that is for god. it is something to do with a certain royal wedding coming up. it will be very glitzy, glamorous. i think the queen wants to remind someone of the more
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solemn side as well. >> that is a good point. our royal correspondent. thank you for that. we appreciate it. ahead for us, president trump and the truth calling it a complicated relationship probably an understatement. an analysis of his first year shows the president average also five false or misleading statements every single day. the fact checker will join us next. ♪ everything you need to go. expedia of being there for my son's winning shot. that was it for me. that's why i'm quitting with nicorette. only nicorette mini has a patented fast dissolving formula. it starts to relieve sudden cravings fast. every great why needs a great how.
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fast and loose with the facts and the truth in his first year in office. the president a has made more than 2,000 false or misleading claims before even one year is up. joining us now is the fact checker who did that analysis, "washington post" glen kessler. thank you for being here. so the headline of what you found is? >> as of last week he made 2,001 false and misleading claims. we will be finishing our analysis for the end of the president's first year. so he's actually obviously added to that.
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that means generally he has made 5.6 false claims every day. >> which rise to the top? >> well, we have a tie at the moment for the most relet'sed claim. 61 times -- first he said that obamacare was dead, a disaster, it was dying when actually it is quite sustainable. and that's also confirmed by the congressional budget office. and 61 times he took credit for business deals that had actually been announced or happened before he became president. so a company would say we're moving a factory from mexico to the united states. and he said i did this when in fact, it had already been announced when obama was president. >> he also uses these, you know -- i mean, they're just not true statements to sell things
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for to the american people. like tax reform. on its face it is empirically not true. maybe on the corporate side. but it's the eighth biggest tax cut in american history. and the thing is he repeats it and repeats it and repeats it. >> right. that is definitely his style. it was one reason why we decided to start keeping track of this. we have been fact checking politicians for a decade. most politicians when you call them out and say, look, it is not the biggest tax cut in history, they stop saying this. he just powers through it. if he thinks he has a good line, then he is going to keep saying it even though everyone says it is is absolutely not true. >> but, glen, is this a strategy of the president? what i mean is this sort of drip, drip, drip, and the same things over and over again almost until you believe them yourself or the people believe
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you or many people believe you. do you have any reason to believe or have you found or is there general thinking that this is a strategy? just say it enough and get folks to believe it? >> well, it certainly is a strategy. i covered him when he was just a real estate developer in new york. and he did the same thing back then. he would say -- when his business was falling to pieces, he would declare he was the king of debt and he loved debt, and he would pretend he was solvent when he wasn't solvent. >> what about a pattern of the way, epilately the president has been denying things. look at the two most recent examples, denying that he used that horrible word in that horrible way about black and brown people, immigrants coming to this country in the white house meeting. senators did not deny it on its face right away. it took two days to do so.
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with the wording of what he said with kim jong-un, did not deny it despite following it up in the middle of the interview, denies it 49 hours later. is there a person here? >> there i see a pattern with a communications operation that isn't really operating on all cylinders. ordinarily, "the wall street journal" interview was published friday morning. >> right. >> and most white houses that i have covered would have immediately put out a staying saying there was a misinterpretation here. instead to put it out on a tweet 48 hours later it is a poor communication strategy. >> all right. >> people make mistakes. >> sure. >> you can correct them quickly. but this white house tends not to do that. >> we appreciate it. glen kessler, interesting read. people should look at it on washingt
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minnesota vikings advance in the nfl playoffs after what is being called the miracle in minneapolis. that, it is. coy wire has more on the bleacher report. coy, 25 seconds on the clock. i'm sitting with my husband. i'm saying, this happens every time. we lose in the playoffs by a field goal. didn't happen this time. >> look at that smile on your face. minnesota is everywhere. this game was over.
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the vikings were down by one. no timeouts approximately a local minnesota radio call emotes the moment that it happened. >> lattimore 12 yards. steps up in the pocket. he fires to the right side. caught by diggs! >> oh, my god! are you kidding me? it's a minneapolis miracle! >> that is the first nfl playoff game to end on a game-winning touchdown as time expires ever. vikings win 29-24. watch stefan diggs trying to tell the moment. >> i never stopped working.
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i just had the opportunity -- >> that's unbelievable. you can't draw that out. you can't wish that. it just happened. >> oh, my goodness. oh, my goodness. oh, my god. >> okay. wait a minute. >> i'm at a loss for words. i've never been a part of nothing like that. this is unbelievable. >> chris, there you have it. vikings take on the eagles in the nfc sunday in philly. >> can we bring poppy in. she's from minnesota. the magic that can happen here sometimes. >> yeah. >> good pass. coy, as you know, coy played the game. he was in the pros for a while. those little margins the
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difference between a deflected pass, defended pass. is and this guy catching the ball, the ability to keep his balance. that's why we watch, right? >> that's exactly right. the young rookie who missed the tackle. the magic in that devastating for him. his team rallying and supporting him through that. the pain, the agony of defeat but the thrill of victory. one more win for poppy's vikings. they will be playing for the first time ever, a team in their hometown in the super bowl. >> we need two more wins, coy. and this baby's middle name is going to be skoal. my due date is the super bowl. so i can't be there. but there we go. >> that's okay. you'll have the tv on in there. that would be awesome. coy, thank you so much. okay. so this warning that hit in hawaii and had everybody freaked out for half an hour comes down to human error. that's what triggered the widespread panic.
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there was no actual incoming missile. do not believe what you're reading on the internet about that crap. why did it take 38 minutes to get the correction? the mistake we understand. the correction, the silence from the white house, odd. we're going to discuss it next. ♪ when heartburn hits... fight back fast with tums smoothies. it starts dissolving the instant it touches your tongue... and neutralizes stomach acid at the source. ♪ tum tum tum tum... smoothies... only from tums
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security. is there an explanation they were doing some kind of drill, there was a dropdown menu. and somehow they picked the wrong way. that was enough to trigger the alert. >> well, that's -- i accept the explanation. i think it points out -- well, for one thing, a need for a two-person authentication. one person doesn't get to hit "send" all by himself or herself for a message like that. i'm quite sure, you know, the governor and the other officials are going to critique this and prevent a recurrence. i find even more disturbing, though, is why it took 38 minutes to make clear to everyone it was a false alarm. >> what is that about? one, i guess there is some sort of exercise to check into the
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efficacy of redundancy. should you have to click on it twice? something like that. but once it goes up, why didn't they have a mechanism to say this is a false alarm? >> well, i'm not familiar with that state and how their system works in hawaii. i'm sure they're trying to critique that. i think as far as the white house is concerned i am reassurer in chief, if i can use that phrase, where instead of tweet about the fake news media, i think a great example of public leadership demonstrated is rea schurring the people of hawaii and the rest of the
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united states. again, a classify it as a lost opportunity. >> when the federal government learns this alert has gone out, i'm sure they have to make a contact, it was a glitch. why no correct something how is it supposed to work? >> the way i think it should have worked or could have worked was for our command in colorado springs to maintain cognizance over these things should have known and perhaps could have put out a statement quickly. there is a breakdown here.
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i'm sure a lot of people will be doing a lessons learned critique, as they should. >> just to be clear, the d.o.d., pentagon, you're not waiting for hawaii to tell you whether or not there's an incoming missile. the federal government would have had their own basis for analysis. >> exactly. that, again, is not done at the state level. in a military context and within the department of defense, as you indicate, this is the primary responsibility of northern command to make a characterization. is it an attack and what is the nature of the attack. >> i want to ask you something else. you're in the intelligence business for so long. what is your take on where we are in terms of credibility for truth telling in government. look, there were s

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