they don't each other. they don't know each other because they are not communicating with each other. >> he went onto say that sometimes we must take positions that are neither safe nor popular nor politics but we must take those positions because our consciences tell us they are right. >> the reverend dr. martin luther king truly a great man. that's it for me. thanks for watching. out front, next, donald trump playing defense tonight in the s poll scandal. is he in denial. did president trump really say s-hole? his defenders are spinning a new theory. call it is s-house defense. the incredible shrinking wall coming maybe to a border near you. let's go out front.

good evening. out front, in denial, call it not the whole denial. the president saying he's not a racist following the oval office meeting saying he would rather have immigrants from norway and asia than blank hole countries in africa. he wrote senator dickey durbin misrepresented what was said. he blew daca and is hurting our military. senator durbin said he referred to africa nations as blank hole country. senator durbin totally misrepresented that meeting and two republican senators support the president on that were getting a new explanation for what their basing that on. an explanation that might reveal their claims as a load of blank. a senior republican source says

some republicans at the meeting say they did not hear the president call them shit hole countries. they heard him say shit house not hole. house not hole. house not hole. this was senator durbin's response. >> i don't know that changing the word from hole to house changes the impact which this has. i stick with my original interpretation. i am stunned that this is their defense. >> no dienials that the presidet said he would rather have folks from norway than the whole/house nations in africa. which is why some is calling the words racist to begin with. the president seeing no problem on that front. >> i'm not a racist. i am the least racist person you have ever interviewed. >> i'm not a racist.

>> people have got to know whether or not their president is a crook. i'm not a crook. >> and bill clinton who said. >> i did not have sexual relations with that woman. >> nixon kind of was and clinton kind of did. as for president trump. president trump himself saidhon memory of dr. martin luther king. the president chose a different course, a golf course. his 95th day at one of his golf resorts. jeff, president trump just arrived back there from his resort in palm beach. does the white house really think this house not hole defense which is sort of breathtaking in its audacity, do they think it will work? >> reporter: it's breathtaking.

we tried to ask the president that very question as he was arriving here a few moments ago. it's an odd question to ask the president of the united states. i guess you can say he started it here. he did not answer any of our questions really setting up what will be fascinating four days to come. we know in a substance way the deadline for government funding, a potential government shutdown looming on friday. we know this immigration which looked like a bipartisan deal was coming together only a week ago. suddenly looks like anything but that. what the white house is facing they believe this has went off a little bit. a couple republicans said the president did not say that. a member of the cabinet said the president did not say that. setting all that aside, the substance of the matter is this. democrats and republicans are a long ways away from reaching a deal on immigration. that immigration deal was supposed to keep the government open on friday. they have a lot of lheavy thinking, a lot of work to do

between now and then. never mind this conversation that will continue between s hole and s house. >> all right. democratic congresswoman val demmings. we're getting this spin that the white house and these republican senators who backed the president side are basing on the fact he said and i'm going to say the words for one last time, shit house countries, not shit hole countries. does that distinction matter to you? >> hi. let me say this, when the president of the united states has to repeatedly say because of his words or his actions that he's not racist, we have a definite problem. i think the fact that we are talking about this during martin luther king's birthday is just a painful reminder that racism is still the ghost in the room and it has found its way to white house. it's almost insulting.

it's definitely disturbing and disappointing that the other two republican senators in the room would suggest there's a difference between hole and house. >> if that's what they are basing their claims on, are they lying about the substance in the meeting? >> i think they are trying to use a technicality as an excuse. they believe in the american dream and trying their best to make america their home, whether you say hole or house it is insulting, it's degrading, it's divisive and the president owes them an apology. if they're going to use that as an excuse that he did not disparage those nations, they

owe them an apology as well. >> the niece of dr. martin luther king jr. was on fox and she was defending what the president said. >> people were saying that president trump has called haiti and africa a bad word. he was referring to the corruption in those countries that needs to be fixed where they are hell holes over there because of the strangle hold of corruption. >> what's your response to that? >> john, everybody is entitled to their opinion. i worked in law enforcement for 27 years. i spent quite a bit of time for providing security for white supremacist groups demonstrating in orlando. it was clear to me and having to listen to the things that they have said during those demonstrations is pretty clear to me what the president meant. i did not hear him talk about

corruption or the report from the senators who were in the room. they didn't put it in that context that he was talking about corruption or crime or the problems in the area. >> you said you believe that then donald trump, now president trump is a racist. the question is how do you then deal with such a person? what is your advice to your leaders in congress right now who are trying to hammer out a deal on dreamers, trying to hammer out a budget agreement. how do you want to see them approaching this man you called a racist? >> as i indicated earlier i worked at the police department for 27 years, served as police chief.

he or she would have been fired. if they were racist or they had the appearance of being a racist, perception is reality. both are a problem. with that being said, here we are in about less than a week we need to -- we do not want to shut the government down. we have 800,000 children out there who are depen dedent on uo come up with legislation that protects them. i believe they are priority. i believe we have the obligation to continue to work for a deal to protect those 800,000 children who are depennidid he understanding on us. i'm hopeful my president and other colleagues will come up with meaningful legislation that will protect the daca kids. >> are you willing to shut the

government down if the president doesn't sign onto some deal on dreamers? we're talking about saturday or friday night at midnight. >> i'm not going to telegraph what i will do here on your show. what i will tell you is this, daca is a priority. those children are here through no fault of their own. they were promised that they could stay here through the previous administration or by the previous administration. i believe that this president has an obligation to not punish them and drag them through the political games that are being played unfortunately out of this administration. my colleagues on the other side of the aisle. >> one thing i don't think should be lost in the back and forth here was the deal that was brought to the president that presumably that dick durbin signed on the and some democratic member of the house included funding for something

that could be construed as a border fence or border wall. is that something you could vote for if it included protection for dreamers? could you vote yes on a bill that gave money to president trump's border wall? >> as i said, i do believe the dreamers have to be a priority. >> our national security is critical. i believe even the white house has said that he's talked about -- he talked about the wall during the campaign but he's also talked about fencing, technology. i have no issue with enhancing our border security. our national security is important. we will not do that at the expense of the dreamers.

we have quite a few more days to go. while i'm currently planning on attending, i have invited someone who was involved in the pulse nightclub shooting. they are excited about being there and having that experience. >> thank you so much for being with us. happy new year. >> thank you so much. take care. next, did the president say s-hole or s house and does it really matter what term he used? mitt romney standing up to the president over this whole controversy. where's the rest of the republican party? steve bannon on deck. he prepares to testify in the russia probe. we learned about one other key aide about to testify.

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post courier, i know what i said. the president of the united states is now using such explicit language. >> the discourse right now is pretty low. we're producing some pretty good policy but those of us in my business need to up their game is pretty embarrassing when you have to take your children out of room just to report the news. >> outfront now, national affairs correspondent joan walsh and jack kingston. joan, i have to say the reporting tonight from a senior republican source familiar with the meeting is that these republican senators are basing their denials of this discussion on the fact and i'm going to say it this time because it's important, they say the president said shit house and not shit hole and that changes everything.

when i first heard that, i was like that can't be. that can't be how they are justifying. >> it changes nothing. i mean actually on this program, thursday night, rich said that same thing. he heard that but even rich, devout republican, defender of president trump agreed it doesn't change anything. now they are using it as a basis to impeach, deride dick durbin, claim this never happened and the two word, i can't wait to bring jack in here because i think he will agree with me this time, the two words mean the same thing. >> would you agree that on substance, blank hole and blank house, there's very little difference? >> i do agree with joan. i don't see the difference. i know david purdue and tom cotton well. i know them to be fairly accurate. in a private room people say

things. i've been in these private rooms with members of congress and people throw elbows rhetorically and say things. you don't walk out and go like a song bird and say he said something. if you're worried about dreamers and the budget that you would say, we got to get beyond this because this is now become the story. >> senator graham, if you're following the reports of the meeting, senator graham, a republican who has been friendly with the president of late did stand up, we're told to the president in the meeting and said his piece in that meeting. senator graham wadss, i don't kw if he was shaken up by it. he said he wish he hadn't heard

that. senator graham did take a stand. >> he made one stam and the next time he said i said all i'm going to say. i think he should have stayed there. we know that tom and david voted for donald trump. lindsey graham and dick durbin did not. you can't take the politics out of this situation but you can put the substance back in it. let's talk about the border wall. let's talk about chain migration. let's talk about merit base immigration. there's a lot of things to be discussed in a short deal of time. >> i honestly think the president took all of that substance right out of the conversation when he used that word. he then made calls the entire evening asking friends what do you think? i think it went well. i think the base will like it. the president had a problem.

two days before that, he talked about a bill of love. i'm going to bring a bill of love for these daca kids and then he got a lot of push back from his conservative, anti-immigrant base. e went this there and dropped that word, knew it would get out. he's the one that's made it very hard to talk about what is the substance of a bill that could get bipartisan support and now we're back to is this guy a racist and what kind of bill does he want? does he not want any brown immigrants in this country? there's a reason to be asking that question. he's the reason. >> if you want to talk about merit or countries of origin, for example, i think the visa lottery idea is obsolete at this point. >> they all gree.

you can pin your hat on it if you want the issue rather than the solution. if you want the politics of it to continue into an election year then you can say, well, because he said something that's offensive to my tender ears and i have never heard such language nor has such words come from my peeshs lips, if you want to say that, then end of discussion. i think the reality is, we pay all of them, democrats and republicans to sit down and hammer out these differences that we're going to have in a country of 320 million people. to me, they need to start really getting back in the room and saying, look, everything we say in here will get outside. let's all clean up our language but let's try to figure out a deal. one thing i know that's important, republicans have told me as most house members will support a bill that the president will sign. there's a lot more flexibility

out there than you would think. i think they can come up with a solution. >> is this how sausage gets made? >> i don't think so. i think this is a different brand of sausage with this president. there really were democrats ready to compromise. dick durbin went in there with lindsey graham because the two of them thought they had a potential deal and then there were other people in the meeting that they didn't expect. it got tense. now there's no deal. i think this president felt like he walked out ftoo far and he hd to walk back and through a gross word into the mix to do so. >> are you clear with either description the president used

there? either the s hole or the s house? >> no. i know it's going to have the ramifications that it has. >> not just the ramifications. can something be bad in and of itself? >> i actually lived in afafrica. i have three children that i sponsor. i travelled there many times. it's offensive and i understand the criticism of it. there's almost this we own the issue because we've been dealing with it for a long time. you have 218 votes that you have to have in the house and 60 in the senate. a lot of times i've seen the small groups run off in a little inner circle, maybe an elite arrogant type of fashion saying our bill is the best bill bill

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facing new push back from voters over the president's blank hole comment last week. kathy rogers was booed while speaking about civil rights. >> to edmond pettis bridge. >> the crowd yelled liar after she said she wasn't sure the president made the racist slur. this coming as jeff flake said it's time republicans started standing up to the president. mark preston cnn senior political analyst. it's time republicans start standing up to the president. they're not. the question is why? >> well, some have. i think we ought to draw attention to that. lindsey graham, we seen from the show. mitt romney. chuck hagle, former defense

secretary said it was embarrassing for the country. there are some who are beginning to stand up and more power to them. why don't others do that? politicians on today of both sides of the aisle think it's much more important to save their seats than to save their souls. you find that republicans are looking at those polls. they see 60% of republican dos approve. they don't want to run up against with that. a number of them are growing increasingly incomfortable. it's the same discomfort you see in the white house staff as reported by the wolf book. people are publicly defending the president but are disturbed

understood benea underneath it. >> david brought up mitt romney, who is not yet in the senate but maybe soon. he came out against what the president said today. let me read you what mitt romney wrote. the poverty of an aspiring immigrants nation of origin is as irrelevant as their race. the sentiment attributed to the president is inconsistent with america's history and atithetical to american values. this is interesting for several reasons. he's a senior republican, an el elder statesman of the party. sheems he seems to be leaning toward running for senate in utah. what role will he play going forward if he begins a u.s. senator? >> i think romney, there was reporting that president trump wanted orin hatch to run for re-election and he did not.

i think if mitt romney gets there, he'll join and perhaps lead the anti-trump caucus among the republicans. donald trump lost the utah primary in 2016. >> he doesn't have to worry about the base at all, to an extent. donald trump won, i think, just 51% in utah voted against donald trump. i was struck by the timing of what governor romney did today. would he state where he stands

in relation to the president. this seems to be that statement. >> it seems to be that statement. let's talk a pause and see what we heard from mitt romney in the past. he gave that speech back in 2016 where he was so critical of president trump not only for his politics and policy but for his personality, for his persona only to then go out and have dinner with him during the transition after donald trump had become elected president and mitt romney was entertaining the idea of trying to become the secretary of state. i do agree we could see mitt romney, assuming he run, comes to washington and become the face of the anti-trump movement and dare i say he would be asked to run for president as a freshman senator. >> you're just saying that because you're a political reporter and you would like to see the story.

listen to this. >> you know, i'm a member of this administration. i don't agree with the president about everything that he says. or of how it's said. >> it's actually pretty striking to hear from a member of the administration. he's saying that now. does anyone say it to the president behind closed doors? >> not very often. anything rex tillerson made it clear there's times he agrdisags with the president and been willing to take it. there must be a part of him feeling humiliated when the president dangled the secretary of state job and made him come

running and took it away from him. it seemed pre-planned to get some revenge for his earlier statements in the campaign. he comes with that baggage and i think he will be an independent voice. once you run and represent your party as a nominee of the party, you also have gained a loyalty to the party as such. i think romney is more interested in saving the party than he is in saving trump. >> you watched elections very carefully, any sign that republicans are scared of what this will do to their electora prospects. we saw congresswoman get booed at the town meeting. >> in the last few days you seen mia love running in utah. you saw barbara constock. you didn't see a lot of members

krit siec criticize trump. trump has an 80% approvapproval. he has most of the activist support. hst hard as a republican even if you're in a close race to criticize the president openly. it's not going to help you politically. he knows the base is with trump. >> next november, if gdp is at 4% or 3.5% and the stock market is at 35,000, will anyone be talk about s holes or s houses? >> yes, absolutely. democrats are going to ensure that's the case and they will do it to try to rally up the democratic base latinos, african-americans. they will try to get everyone to

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busy week ahead in the russia communications. hope hicks will testify to the house intelligence committee as soon as this week. that's in addition to steve bannon who testifies tomorrow and former trump campaign manager corey lewandowski who will talk later this week. what might come out of it? evan perez is outfront tonight. what do we expect from these interviews? >> all three witnesses are seen

as having key knowledge about contacts between trump campaign associates and people suspected of being russian operatives. hope hicks is the big one. she's been with donald trump since the beginning of the campaign. we know she played a role in helping the president craft a misleading statement that was issued in the name of donald trump junior when the public learned about that infamous june 2016 trump tower meeting. steve bannon made those comments in that newly published michael wolf book calling the meeting tremendous s treasonous. corey lewandowski lewandowski ran t ran the campaign for some time.

former trump campaign officials were dharjed with 12 counts of money laundering. they will be in court tomorrow morning. what's going on with this hearing and when might the formal trial begin? >> there's a lot on tap for this hearing tomorrow. we expect it's going to focus on the possible trial date. right now that's being contemplated for may but we expect there could be delay in that schedule. lawyers for rick gates, one of those charges still trying to get the judge to relax bail terms. it's rather unusual two months after the charges were brought that the issues are being worked out. i'll be in court to see what else comes up in the hearing. >> it's going to be a busy week. sure we'll be talking to you again soon. >> i'm sure. former white house ethics lawyer, richard painter. this parade of trump campaign insiders and white house insiders going before the house

intelligence committee, what do you think the most valuable thing the committee might be able to learn from them? >> we'll see what their testimony reveals. mueller's job is focus on crimes committed. his investigation focuses on crimes. congress's reresponsible for finding out about conduct that was criminal as well as conduct not criminal. congress is responsible for trying to figure out how to protect us from this ever happening again.

it's going to be a broud inquiry by congress. these senior white house officials and former campaign officials who are going to be called to testify and in the case of steve bannon, former campaign official and senior white house official they're revelations are going to be very important for congress doing its job in finding out what happened in connection with the russian interference. >> hope hicks isn't a former white house official. she's the current white house commune kications director. she also already testified to the special counsel robert mueller. does that present any complications or what should we be looking for there?

>> her testimony in front of congress had better be the truth. that's true for all of these people. if there's inconsistency between the testimony given to robert mueller by anybody and what's said in front of congress will be a serious problem. >> the fact these three senior officials are going before that committee this week, does that make you think they have worked some of those problems out? >> it helps that they are taking some testimony. congress has shone over the past several years that investigations are highly political. they spend days and days on the hillary clinton e-mail thing.

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is the president's promise of a great wall just a metaphor? here is jeanne moos. >> so far it's been a wall of words. >> i will build a great, great wall. we are going to have a very, very big and powerful wall. an impenetrable, physical, tall, powerful, beautiful. >> also a shrinking wall. the eight prototypes are as tall as expected. but after promises at least a thousand mile wall, the administration proposed a new structure running 316 miles with 407 miles in replacement of secondary wall. >> could be fencing. i want a gorgeous wall. the trump wall.

oh, will that be a beautiful wall. >> already comedians mocking the prototypes. the venetian. just look at the decorative fringe of the spoke razor spikes. >> talk about looking sharp. >> one man bowore a spandex wal costume. >> the cost of the wall isn't shrinking. >> who is going to pay for the wall? >> mexico. >> nope. mexico says no way. and every time a mexican leader dissed the wall, it grew. >> i am not going to pay for that [ bleep ] wall. >> what are the walls going to be made out of it. >> concrete, steel and hype? a youtuber created this match

up. >> i'm building a wall. i'm being a wall. >> even it won't keep out the proverbial fly on the wall. jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> thanks for watching. "ac 360" starts now. we begin tonight on this martin luther king day. >> it should be pointed out president trump has had to make that claim on more than one day of his candidacy. keeping him honest, the president's racist remarks were confirmed by a democrat and republican senators. and backed u